posted
Today I was reading in the Holy Book, Ezekiel, it is horrible what is written. Is it really the word of God?? Posts: 90 | Registered: Mar 2006
| IP: Logged |
posted
mr/ gebran you encouraged me to read ezekiel in bible and i was surprised like you for what i found .i think it`s unlogic matter to say that it`s a word of God .
-------------------- abu maryam Posts: 92 | From: egypt | Registered: Jun 2006
| IP: Logged |
posted
what is that ezekiel? what is the evidence that it's a word of god??
quran which is really the word of god due to several evidences didnt mention it i think.
Posts: 1007 | From: http://www.sultan.org | Registered: Mar 2006
| IP: Logged |
posted
Everyone is invited to read that chapter of the Old Testimony of the Bible. You can not imagine how God is described, it is not acceptable.
Posts: 90 | Registered: Mar 2006
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by Jebran: Everyone is invited to read that chapter of the Old Testimony of the Bible. You can not imagine how God is described, it is not acceptable.
What is it about? Posts: 979 | From: Another world | Registered: May 2006
| IP: Logged |
posted
Ezekiel 23 (New International Version) New International Version (NIV)
Ezekiel 23
Two Adulterous Sisters 1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 "Son of man, there were two women, daughters of the same mother. 3 They became prostitutes in Egypt, engaging in prostitution from their youth. In that land their breasts were fondled and their virgin bosoms caressed. 4 The older was named Oholah, and her sister was Oholibah. They were mine and gave birth to sons and daughters. Oholah is Samaria, and Oholibah is Jerusalem. 5 "Oholah engaged in prostitution while she was still mine; and she lusted after her lovers, the Assyrians-warriors 6 clothed in blue, governors and commanders, all of them handsome young men, and mounted horsemen. 7 She gave herself as a prostitute to all the elite of the Assyrians and defiled herself with all the idols of everyone she lusted after. 8 She did not give up the prostitution she began in Egypt, when during her youth men slept with her, caressed her virgin bosom and poured out their lust upon her.
9 "Therefore I handed her over to her lovers, the Assyrians, for whom she lusted. 10 They stripped her naked, took away her sons and daughters and killed her with the sword. She became a byword among women, and punishment was inflicted on her.
11 "Her sister Oholibah saw this, yet in her lust and prostitution she was more depraved than her sister. 12 She too lusted after the Assyrians—governors and commanders, warriors in full dress, mounted horsemen, all handsome young men. 13 I saw that she too defiled herself; both of them went the same way.
14 "But she carried her prostitution still further. She saw men portrayed on a wall, figures of Chaldeans [a] portrayed in red, 15 with belts around their waists and flowing turbans on their heads; all of them looked like Babylonian chariot officers, natives of Chaldea. [b] 16 As soon as she saw them, she lusted after them and sent messengers to them in Chaldea. 17 Then the Babylonians came to her, to the bed of love, and in their lust they defiled her. After she had been defiled by them, she turned away from them in disgust. 18 When she carried on her prostitution openly and exposed her nakedness, I turned away from her in disgust, just as I had turned away from her sister. 19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. 21 So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breasts fondled. [c]
22 "Therefore, Oholibah, this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will stir up your lovers against you, those you turned away from in disgust, and I will bring them against you from every side- 23 the Babylonians and all the Chaldeans, the men of Pekod and Shoa and Koa, and all the Assyrians with them, handsome young men, all of them governors and commanders, chariot officers and men of high rank, all mounted on horses. 24 They will come against you with weapons, [d] chariots and wagons and with a throng of people; they will take up positions against you on every side with large and small shields and with helmets. I will turn you over to them for punishment, and they will punish you according to their standards. 25 I will direct my jealous anger against you, and they will deal with you in fury. They will cut off your noses and your ears, and those of you who are left will fall by the sword. They will take away your sons and daughters, and those of you who are left will be consumed by fire. 26 They will also strip you of your clothes and take your fine jewelry. 27 So I will put a stop to the lewdness and prostitution you began in Egypt. You will not look on these things with longing or remember Egypt anymore.
28 "For this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am about to hand you over to those you hate, to those you turned away from in disgust. 29 They will deal with you in hatred and take away everything you have worked for. They will leave you naked and bare, and the shame of your prostitution will be exposed. Your lewdness and promiscuity 30 have brought this upon you, because you lusted after the nations and defiled yourself with their idols. 31 You have gone the way of your sister; so I will put her cup into your hand.
32 "This is what the Sovereign LORD says: "You will drink your sister's cup, a cup large and deep; it will bring scorn and derision, for it holds so much.
33 You will be filled with drunkenness and sorrow, the cup of ruin and desolation, the cup of your sister Samaria.
34 You will drink it and drain it dry; you will dash it to pieces and tear your breasts. I have spoken, declares the Sovereign LORD.
35 "Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: Since you have forgotten me and thrust me behind your back, you must bear the consequences of your lewdness and prostitution."
36 The LORD said to me: "Son of man, will you judge Oholah and Oholibah? Then confront them with their detestable practices, 37 for they have committed adultery and blood is on their hands. They committed adultery with their idols; they even sacrificed their children, whom they bore to me, [e] as food for them. 38 They have also done this to me: At that same time they defiled my sanctuary and desecrated my Sabbaths. 39 On the very day they sacrificed their children to their idols, they entered my sanctuary and desecrated it. That is what they did in my house.
40 "They even sent messengers for men who came from far away, and when they arrived you bathed yourself for them, painted your eyes and put on your jewelry. 41 You sat on an elegant couch, with a table spread before it on which you had placed the incense and oil that belonged to me.
42 "The noise of a carefree crowd was around her; Sabeans [f] were brought from the desert along with men from the rabble, and they put bracelets on the arms of the woman and her sister and beautiful crowns on their heads. 43 Then I said about the one worn out by adultery, 'Now let them use her as a prostitute, for that is all she is.' 44 And they slept with her. As men sleep with a prostitute, so they slept with those lewd women, Oholah and Oholibah. 45 But righteous men will sentence them to the punishment of women who commit adultery and shed blood, because they are adulterous and blood is on their hands.
46 "This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Bring a mob against them and give them over to terror and plunder. 47 The mob will stone them and cut them down with their swords; they will kill their sons and daughters and burn down their houses.
48 "So I will put an end to lewdness in the land, that all women may take warning and not imitate you. 49 You will suffer the penalty for your lewdness and bear the consequences of your sins of idolatry. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign LORD."
Posts: 1201 | From: Egypt | Registered: Mar 2006
| IP: Logged |
posted
so jebran, which part do you not consider to be the words of God? There are many many verses similar to this throughout the Bible, why does this one make you think??
-------------------- If you don't learn from your mistakes, there's no sense making them. Posts: 15090 | From: http://www.egyptalk.com/forum/ | Registered: Jul 2004
| IP: Logged |
posted
i think mr/ gebran mean 22 & 23 & 25 parts of ezekiel . it`s too horrible and contains a sexy words which i think it`s impossible to says that is a word of God .
-------------------- abu maryam Posts: 92 | From: egypt | Registered: Jun 2006
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by abu maryam 76: i think mr/ gebran mean 22 & 23 & 25 parts of ezekiel . it`s too horrible and contains a sexy words which i think it`s impossible to says that is a word of God .
well, actually ezekiel isnt the only book in the bible that contains sexy words , have a look on song of solomons Posts: 1201 | From: Egypt | Registered: Mar 2006
| IP: Logged |
posted
Jebran said: Today I was reading in the Holy Book, Ezekiel, it is horrible what is written. Is it really the word of God??
Jebran, why are you so ignorant? Do you acutually believe when the Koran talks about Joseph being so beautiful that the Egyptian women cut their hands off?????
Ezekiel is one of the most powerful books in the Bible. The Koran did not really add anything new. The New Testament is filled with a different dimention, or dispensation, of the grace of God given in these last days as opposed to Judaism. But it is obivious that Christianity was founded upon Judaism. Followers of Yeshua of Nazareth proclaimed in the 1st century that Jesus was the Messiah that was prophesied by scripture. By the Hebrew scriptures they proved the truth of Jesus Christ..........
Muslims did not stand in continuity with the Israelite tradition. It offered almost nothing that was original at all. Most of the prophets mentioned by the Quran were established by the Israelite tradition and ancient Arabian prophets. Nothing original at all!
So, we can have an open-minded debate if you would like. Salaam(Shalom).
Posts: 826 | From: U.S.A. | Registered: Jun 2006
| IP: Logged |
posted
ok israel , what you said indicated that you didn`t read your bibles well , and that indicated too you reapet only what you learn in your church without understanding and realizing. and if you believe in two parts of bible (old & new) i invite you to read what your book said about you israel(jerusalem),and also what it said about prophets like what it mention about sayydna loott with his daughters . seriously it`s a shame matter.
-------------------- abu maryam Posts: 92 | From: egypt | Registered: Jun 2006
| IP: Logged |
whats up? Why haven't you given an answer? If your gonna challenge Christianity and the Bible, then I suggest that you be prepared to stand your ground. There is a whole lot I could say, but I don't. You SAID stuff about Ezekiel. So I challenged you. Are you gonna defend your thesis or not?????? Hey, I'm not an expert(yet-lol.......I'm in training for Christian apologetics one could say), so I don't know everything. So you don't have to fear me gaining the upper hand. Express your point of view and I'll express mine. Salaam
Posts: 826 | From: U.S.A. | Registered: Jun 2006
| IP: Logged |
posted
hi israel now i think you are decent,and have an respector mind , so go ahead on base of respect our self.ok man. so i want to ask you some historical questions, first one is <who was decided the nature of God?,and when exactly,after jesus killed or before?,> second,<who was the the pope that decided to rejected some bible like bible of mary al magdalyya and barnaba bible ,....etc?> third,<why the protestants have a bible which contain alot of parts more than the other?> i hope that you can reply me,but i need historical reply, please?....salam
-------------------- abu maryam Posts: 92 | From: egypt | Registered: Jun 2006
| IP: Logged |
posted
The authenticity of the book of Ezekiel is supported by its harmony with the other books of the Bible. Although it is not quoted or cited directly by any of the writers of the Christian Greek Scriptures, allusions to some of its statements and similar expressions are, nevertheless, frequent. Ezekiel and Jesus speak of the drying up of a moist tree. (Eze 17:24; Lu 23:31) Ezekiel and Jesus both speak of a judgment of people as sheep and goats. (Eze 34:17; Mt 25:32, 33) The book of Revelation uses many illustrations similar to those in Ezekiel.—Compare Eze 1:28 with Re 4:3; Eze 10:3, 4 with Re 15:8; Eze 12:25 with Re 10:6; Eze 37:10 with Re 11:11.
Posts: 370 | From: England | Registered: Feb 2008
| IP: Logged |
UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!
![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
![[Smile]](smile.gif)
![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
![[Wink]](wink.gif)
![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
Printer-friendly view of this topic