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would it be fair to say that most muslims dont drink alcohol?
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Depends on whether they are practising Muslims or not. But most of them, yes, they don't drink. They are too obsessed with religion, in an unhealthy way.
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quote:Originally posted by Reconstrucdead: most of them, yes, they don't drink. They are too obsessed with religion, in an unhealthy way.
would you be able to put a percentage on it? even if its just a guess.
i ask that because im interested to see how people perceive muslims and alcohol.
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The majority of my Muslem acquantances do drink - they enjoy Stella in the bars of Luxor and the West Bank, and you can often see drunks here! That is not to say that it is a general rule - I would think these are mainly of the younger generation.
Also, I have noticed quite a few 'stoned' Egyptians - marijuana and hasheesh are freely available here.
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in my experience, most egyptians (that i know) drink... yet, i am taking my lessons about muslims here in ES. i have started alcohol threads before and the overwhelming decision was, muslims DONT drink...
yet when i said last night that " most muslims dont drink" i was criticised for it... so i apologised and said " ok.. so most muslims DO drink" and i was shot down!!!
so i have opened this thread to see what the general opinion is.
i dont care about the old thread/argument... i am interested to see what the general opinion is... do muslims drink or not?
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I have seen muslims drink in Luxor too, it is mainly the younger ones but cant comment on other countries as I have never been! I would say that it is the minority in Egypt rather than the majority though but that just might be the people we associate with and the places that we eat/drink. We very rarely go anywhere in Luxor that serves alcohol. Not a very helpful answer, I would think you are never going to get an honest answer from a muslim as they should not be drinking and wont admit to it publicly.
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quote:Originally posted by Charm El Feikh?: thanks luxorlife.
in my experience, most egyptians (that i know) drink... yet, i am taking my lessons about muslims here in ES. i have started alcohol threads before and the overwhelming decision was, muslims DONT drink...
yet when i said last night that " most muslims dont drink" i was criticised for it... so i apologised and said " ok.. so most muslims DO drink" and i was shot down!!!
so i have opened this thread to see what the general opinion is.
i dont care about the old thread/argument... i am interested to see what the general opinion is... do muslims drink or not?
I'll give u example.My boyfriend when he was younger 18-24 he used to drink with his friends a lot.They all were a muslims.But after that he decided to stop drinking(because no muslim should do that) and then he didn't get ANY kind of alcohol.I think there will be a day that they will decide stop to drink.When they'll be older.
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the question is like asking 'do christians drink' or 'do humans drink' !!
yes some muslims do drink, yes its haram, and yes they know its haram.
Why is it everyone else does as they wish and accepts no 'judgement' from others but each and every single muslim seems to be 'on trial' for the actions of each and every other single Muslim?
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ayisha... im sorry... i really dont see where your coming from...
im asking a question... its an open question... i havnt already made my mind up... its not a loaded question...
so if you think this is putting muslims on trail... i seriously feel sorry for the amount of persecution you must have endured.
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One bourbon, one scotch, one beer Well I ain't seen my baby since I don't know when, I've been drinking bourbon, whiskey, scotch and gin Gonna get high man I'm gonna get loose, Need me a triple shot of that juice Gonna get drunk don't you have no fear I want one bourbon, one scotch and one beer One bourbon, one scotch, one beer
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One bourbon, one scotch, one beer No I ain't seen my baby since the night before last, Gotta get a drink man I'm gonna get gassed Gonna get high man I ain't had enough, Need me a triple shot of that stuff Gonna get drunk won't you listen right here, I want one bourbon, one shot and one beer One bourbon, one scotch, one beer
Now by this time I'm plenty high, You know when your mouth a-getting dry you're plenty high Looked down the bar I say to my bartender I said "Look man, come down here", he got down there So what you want this time? I said "Look man, a-what time is it?" He said "The clock on the wall say three o'clock Last call for alcohol, so what you need?"
One bourbon, one scotch, one beer No I ain't seen my baby since a nigh' and a week, Gotta get drunk man till I can't even speak Gonna get high man listen to me, One drink ain't enough Jack you better make it three I wanna get drunk I'm gonna make it real clear, I want one bourbon, one scotch and one beer One bourbon, one scotch, one beer
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oh, good old george thorogood...those were the days. you are quite the music buff arent you rosy? i would have thought you would have used a more romantic song to appeal to charm but looks like you've gone for the appeal of alcohol. you ol' charmer you!!!!!
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of course they drink - they're men not machines. and the alcohol then lets them do whatever else they want to do. i had alcohol and weed in egypt when i was there but not in public (oh i tell a lie - i smoked a j crossing from west to east bank on a boat). i think they are just better at hiding it...like the women....where the hell were they all??? when i smoked sheesa i discovered they were all around the corner!! if id known that i would have gone around and smoked with them!!
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most muslims i know do not drink; but thats probably because i make muslim friends who are practicing.
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quote:Originally posted by Charm El Feikh?: ayisha... im sorry... i really dont see where your coming from...
im asking a question... its an open question... i havnt already made my mind up... its not a loaded question...
so if you think this is putting muslims on trail... i seriously feel sorry for the amount of persecution you must have endured.
charm, sorry for confusing you, it wasnt meant that way, i just get a bit sick of people judging muslims.
as for persecution, i have suffered none but what i see on Egy boards
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quote:Originally posted by Sumbula: most muslims i know do not drink; but thats probably because i make muslim friends who are practicing.
whats that bit sis , I MAKE MUSLIM FRIENDS WHO ARE PARACTICING R USECRETLY MAKING THEM DRINK ,OR U MISSPELLED ,as u see im a little tipseynot goos spelling ,never is any way
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My husband does not drink - he tried alcohol once when he was working on the Red Sea coast and felt so horrible/ashamed of himself the next day that I know he'll never touch a single drop again; he comes from a village in Kalubia and told me that his parents had never even seen an alcoholic drink in the whole of their lives and would be very upset if they knew that part of his job here in the UK now sometimes involves serving in a hotel bar.
Now he's here in England and alcohol is readily available, it hasn't made any difference. It's something he doesn't want to do, but he knows that the pub is a central part of life here and he's happy to socialize with our friends there, but just drink soft drinks all night. He's made his choice not to drink, but is happy for other people to make theirs too.
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MINE TOO, my son riaz wasa devout muslim and was very western with it ,but since our ma (grandma died)his first real close person for him to lose hes drinking alcolol every day ,and we are worried i wont tell him wat to do me and my husband came from mosque yesterday and was told he wa in the pub we passed and he saw us he came out and he had a bump or some dent on his forhead but said it was from work he went to a/e for check but we know he was drunk ,i cry alot but dont let other see it ,i got to much on my plate any way for him to see im upset he gets angry with me then ,i pray he will be his old self but i dont know hes lost wieght he sits at the cementry next to her grave she brought him up most of the years owing i was to ill and having a sick child too , i feel alot of guilt ,but i sit here and tears fall such a beautful boy but wasting my hubby just looks to the ground when he sees him hes hurt for me .
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inshaAllah your son will get through this and back on track soon chimps,
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chimps, thats so sad. just be there for him, time is the best healer, but he needs to know that he hasnt burned any bridges with you as that will just add to his pain.
its common for people to turn to drink during times of sorrow... just try to stand by him, and let him deal with it his way for now... it wont last forever.
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i really hope so i really do ,i recently found out hes dabbling in drugs when i confront him he snaps hard at me ,hes hit me onece or twice when ive confronted him ive turned not to let him see me cry my heart hurts hes my first born and i worry when the police or sum one comes knocking at my door he drives like a maniac too ,im so scared i will lose him honestly my tears fall now ,thanx all any way life ie hard but more pain sumwhere else isint there im still lucky than sum ,i hide alot of my pain but in the process im getting ill my self ,worry for girl other boy had bullying stabbed in feb in school and npw other son then i question allah but faith i shud have ..
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hes 22ish if my memory serves... let him do it.. not the hitting part though, i dont know what to say about that as i have no experience from either side on that one... if id hit my mum she would have knocked me out!
hes young enough to make these mistakes and not ruin his life... except for the driving thing... but again, i dont know what to do about that.
when my son was going off the rails a bit (totally different as he was 8 years old at the time) i took him to the police station and they took us into the interview room and had a good talk to him. he was really sorry and very worried...
i wonder if you could ask the police to speak to him about his driving. he doesnt have to know its anything to do with you, and it might just scare him enough if he thinks theyre watching him, and he might loose his licence.
i do know of one other story about someone who was worried about her boyfriends driving and arranged for someone to walk out in front of him... it did work, but he swerved instead of breaking wrote his car off and could have killed himself so i wouldnt advise it.
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hes already been stopped and pulled over but then it seemed to calm him down but since the death and this new job he wrks at halfords they r all english and love ther days down the pub i aint got aproblem there ive done it not drank but gone to pub withmy mates when was young ,hes just at the moent on the wrong path and easily led and omg the swearing is unbearble im always on hot stones i dont say much i not a person who is easily scared but i shouted at him last time and smacked him one his mouth was worse than hiting me ,i keep quiet now cus of the little one its upsets her and strains her she takes alot to heart ,any way its depressing isnt it lets think of summat crakers Posts: 354 | From: deputydawgland | Registered: Jun 2006
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the first night on my trip to egypt, we got on this river boat resteraunt, on the nile, in cairo..
and the boat was empty..except for 11 of us Americans...
welll, from what I read before the trip, if you don't want to get sick you better drink bottled water or beer....
seeing that I had my fill of water, I asked for a stella beer...I was told the inport stella had 1% alcohal, and the export steela had 5% alcohal...so I asked for a export steela...
then I knowticed all this muslim guys were stareing at me...like when I drank the beer I would turn into a werewolf..or something...
anyway 1 steela later, I was pondering haveing another...and when they asked me if I wanted another..you could hear a pin drop...
the tension in the room you could cut with a knife...well seeing I did'nt want to start jihad ww3 , I declined...and all the muslim dudes acted like I just finish the 12 step program..
so it was back to bottled water...
it felt like it was 1930 proabition America..
I could have drank a case of stella and drove the tourist bus all the way thru cairo back to giza...without a problem...
I have skills..they just did'nt know it...
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I think thats the problem muslims have with alcohal...you have to respect it...and know where your cut off point is..the more you drink, the higher tolorance you have for it..but you still have to ALLWAYS understand your limits..
its like anything..moderation is the key...
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quote:Originally posted by mike rozier: and the boat was empty..except for 11 of us Americans...
then I knowticed all this muslim guys were stareing at me...like when I drank the beer I would turn into a werewolf..or something...
so the other americans were Muslim?? as the boat was empty apart from americans at first.
I dont beleive this story mike, there are tourists all over Egypt drinking beer, and non tourists too, no one would have batted an eyelid at an american drinking beer.
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And what makes it more unbelievable is the strength of the beer. Local Stella (not imported) is not 1% but 4.5, Export about 5, and Special about 7.
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quote:Originally posted by mike rozier: and the boat was empty..except for 11 of us Americans...
then I knowticed all this muslim guys were stareing at me...like when I drank the beer I would turn into a werewolf..or something...
so the other americans were Muslim?? as the boat was empty apart from americans at first.
I dont beleive this story mike, there are tourists all over Egypt drinking beer, and non tourists too, no one would have batted an eyelid at an american drinking beer.
no..the muslim were my tour guide, security guy, and the resteraut staff.
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My brain is cloudy and my eyes are sore, I told myself I wouldn't drink no more, A bad hangover's something I can't stand, But here I am with a jug in my hand. Whoo - whoo, trouble, trouble, Worries on my mind, Goin' down to the cellar, Get some of that mellow wine. I seem to ruin everything I touch, People say it's cause I drink too much, I tried to kick it but it ain't no use, Guess I'm a slave to that mellow juice. Whoo - whoo, trouble, trouble, Worries on my mind, Goin' down to the cellar, Get some of that mellow wine, yea. {Dave - Solo} My brain is cloudy and my eyes are sore, I told myself I wouldn't drink no more, A bad hangover's something I can't stand, But here I am with a jug in my hand. Whoo - whoo, trouble, trouble, Worries on my mind, Goin' down to the cellar, Get some of that mellow wine. Oh take it way
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Most muslims dont drink. If a muslim attends the mousque regurly then most likly they dont drink at all. But if they dont attend the mousque at all then most likly they do drink. That should help u on your lil study.
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Reason why they dont drink, its forbidden a sin, and the prayer of muslim wont count for 40 days if they drink.
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quote:Originally posted by Marcella: Really 40 days?So there is no reason for praying if they drink.
Well its not like if you drink, you have excuse not to pray. You will be punished for it, unless u repent and dont repeat such a sin. Well it goes deeper then that, you have to understand the whole essance of the prayer to understand the rest.
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Sure,but if "muslim" drink,does it mean he's a bad muslim if he's still praying?On some occasions he's drinking alcohol.But he's still muslim.
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quote:Originally posted by Marcella: Sure,but if "muslim" drink,does it mean he's a bad muslim if he's still praying?On some occasions he's drinking alcohol.But he's still muslim.
Well its like this, As muslim, believer of one god, and only one god, begotton not nor has he been begotton, is key thing inorder to enter heaven. Now the sins that a person commits throughout thier life, will put them in hell until they have been punished for the sins, if he repents from them on the other hand and does not go on to do them anymore, God most merciful might forgive him as he pleases. As jesus was preechin to the isrealites to repent for the sins, is what any muslim who aknowledges he is weak in faith should do. Muslims who drink are weak in faith.
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quote:Originally posted by multisphinx: Reason why they dont drink, its forbidden a sin, and the prayer of muslim wont count for 40 days if they drink.
Well I heard this before but truly I think this is untrue or upon a false hadeeth, can u kindly get the hadeeth that tells so and its roots (sanad)
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quote:Originally posted by Marcella: Sure,but if "muslim" drink,does it mean he's a bad muslim if he's still praying?On some occasions he's drinking alcohol.But he's still muslim.
Well its like this, As muslim, believer of one god, and only one god, begotton not nor has he been begotton, is key thing inorder to enter heaven. Now the sins that a person commits throughout thier life, will put them in hell until they have been punished for the sins, if he repents from them on the other hand and does not go on to do them anymore, God most merciful might forgive him as he pleases. As jesus was preechin to the isrealites to repent for the sins, is what any muslim who aknowledges he is weak in faith should do. Muslims who drink are weak in faith.
Somehow maybe,but he still believes in one God but he is drinking.Or have premarital sex or he is not praying,buthe is a muslim.And he knows he's doing wrong things.He is just enjoying life.
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quote:Originally posted by Marcella: Sure,but if "muslim" drink,does it mean he's a bad muslim if he's still praying?On some occasions he's drinking alcohol.But he's still muslim.
Well its like this, As muslim, believer of one god, and only one god, begotton not nor has he been begotton, is key thing inorder to enter heaven. Now the sins that a person commits throughout thier life, will put them in hell until they have been punished for the sins, if he repents from them on the other hand and does not go on to do them anymore, God most merciful might forgive him as he pleases. As jesus was preechin to the isrealites to repent for the sins, is what any muslim who aknowledges he is weak in faith should do. Muslims who drink are weak in faith.
well it isn't that easy, indulgence leads to hell .. it just corrupt your faith .. people should know this . yeah god will forgive but what makes u think you believe in god when you are just indulging yourself I will just put a couple of verses of quran that shows my point The Cow 80. And they say: "The Fire shall not touch us but for a few numbered days:" Say: "Have ye taken a promise from Allah, for He never breaks His promise? or is it that ye say of Allah what ye do not know?"
81. Nay, those who seek gain in evil, and are girt round by their sins,- they are companions of the Fire: Therein shall they abide (For ever).
82. But those who have faith and work righteousness, they are companions of the Garden: Therein shall they abide (For ever).
The Cave:
103. Say: "Shall we tell you of those who lose most in respect of their deeds?-
104. "Those whose efforts have been wasted in this life, while they thought that they were acquiring good by their works?"
105. They are those who deny the Signs of their Lord and the fact of their having to meet Him (in the Hereafter): vain will be their works, nor shall We, on the Day of Judgment, give them any weight.
106. That is their reward, Hell, because they rejected Faith, and took My Signs and My Messengers by way of jest.
107. As to those who believe and work righteous deeds, they have, for their entertainment, the Gardens of Paradise,
108. Wherein they shall dwell (for aye): no change will they wish for from them.
109. Say: "If the ocean were ink (wherewith to write out) the words of my Lord, sooner would the ocean be exhausted than would the words of my Lord, even if we added another ocean like it, for its aid."
110. Say: "I am but a man like yourselves, (but) the inspiration has come to me, that your Allah is one Allah. whoever expects to meet his Lord, let him work righteousness, and, in the worship of his Lord, admit no one as partner
I guess this also answer your question Marcella "this is Quran"
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My boyfriend materiale drinks a cold beer or 2 when we go to restaurants but he is 33 and has never been drunk in his life.......
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quote:Originally posted by Marcella: Sure,but if "muslim" drink,does it mean he's a bad muslim if he's still praying?On some occasions he's drinking alcohol.But he's still muslim.
Well its like this, As muslim, believer of one god, and only one god, begotton not nor has he been begotton, is key thing inorder to enter heaven. Now the sins that a person commits throughout thier life, will put them in hell until they have been punished for the sins, if he repents from them on the other hand and does not go on to do them anymore, God most merciful might forgive him as he pleases. As jesus was preechin to the isrealites to repent for the sins, is what any muslim who aknowledges he is weak in faith should do. Muslims who drink are weak in faith.
Somehow maybe,but he still believes in one God but he is drinking.Or have premarital sex or he is not praying,buthe is a muslim.And he knows he's doing wrong things.He is just enjoying life.
his faith is weak for that reason he does all those things.
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quote:Originally posted by Tibe: My boyfriend materiale drinks a cold beer or 2 when we go to restaurants but he is 33 and has never been drunk in his life.......
Whats ur point?
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