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Dalia once an American tourist woman asked me 'do women work in your country?' while I was GUIDING her as a tour guide in Istanbul And the second question was 'do women smoke here?' Posts: 2591 | From: **Ex Oriente Lux** | Registered: Jan 2007
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quote: So the worshipper must recite it properly in Arabic, because we are commanded to read and recite the Qur’aan as it was revealed.
Whoever is unable to pronounce it properly because of some defect in his tongue or because he is not an Arabic-speaker must learn to correct his pronunciation as much as he can.
If he cannot, then he is relieved of this obligation, because Allaah does not burden people with more than they are able to bear.
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Allaah burdens not a person beyond his scope”
[al-Baqarah 2:286]
If a person is unable to recite al-Faatihah at all or is unable to learn it, or he has just become Muslim and the time for prayer has come and there is not enough time for him to learn it, then he is given a way out in the following hadeeth:
Ibn Qudaamah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
If a person does not know any Qur’aan, and he cannot learn it before the time for prayer is over, then he must say Subhaan-Allaah wa’l-hamdu Lillaah wa laa ilaaha ill-Allaah wa Allaahu akbar wa laa hawla wa la quwwata illa Billaah (Glory be to Allaah, praise be to Allaah, there is no god except Allaah, Allaah is Most great and there is no power and no strength except with Allaah), because Abu Dawood narrated that a man came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said, “I am not able to learn anything of the Qur’aan, so teach me something that will suffice me.” He said, “Say, Subhaan-Allaah wa’l-hamdu Lillaah wa laa ilaaha ill-Allaah wa Allaahu akbar wa laa hawla wa la quwwata illa Billaah.” The man said, “This is for my Lord, what is there for me?” He said, “Say: Allaahumma ighfir li warhamni warzuqni wahdini wa ‘aafini (O Allaah, forgive me, have mercy on me, grant me provision, guide me, and give me good health).” But he does not have to do more than say the first five phrases, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) only said that, and he only told him more when he asked for more.
(end of Ibn Qudaamah’s words)
But if a person is able to recite part of al-Faatihah only, he should recite that which he is able to recite. And he has to repeat what he can recite well (i.e., so that the total number of what he recites will be seven verses, equivalent to the number of verses in al-Faatihah).
Ibn Qudaamah said:
It may be sufficient for him to say alhamdu-Lillaah (praise be to Allaah), laa ilaaha ill-Allaah (there is no god but Allaah) and Allaahu akbar (Allaah is most great), because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whatever you know of Qur’aan, recite it, otherwise praise Allaah, proclaim His Oneness and magnify Him.” (Narrated by Abu Dawood)
What you have read about the prayer being invalid if the worshipper mispronounces a single letter of al-Faatihah cannot be taken as general in meaning. Not every mistake in al-Faatihah invalidates the prayer; rather it cannot be invalidated unless something is omitted from al-Faatihah, or the pronunciation is changed in a way that distorts the meaning. Moreover, this ruling on the prayer becoming invalid applies to those who are able to recite al-Faatihah correctly or who are able to learn it but do not.
As for those who are unable to do so, they should recite it as best as they can, and that does not affect them, because Allaah does not burden a soul beyond its scope. One of the basic principles established by the scholars is that nothing is obligatory when a person is unable to do it. See al-Mughni, 2/154.
In this case a person should recite al-Faatihah as best as he is able, and then glorify Allaah, praise Him, magnify Him and proclaim His Oneness (by saying Subhaan-Allaah wa’l-hamdu Lillaah wa Allaahu akbar wa laa ilaaha ill-Allaah), so that this will make up for whatever he has missed out of al-Faatihah.
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked:
Is the prayer of one who mispronounces al-Faatihah valid or not?
He replied:
If a person mispronounces al-Faatihah in a way that does not distort the meaning, his prayer is valid, whether he is leading others in prayer or is praying alone.
But with regard to the kind of mispronunciation that distorts the meaning, if the person knows the meaning, such as if he says ‘Siraat allaadheena an’amtu ‘alayhim [meaning “The way of those on whom I have bestowed my grace”, instead of the correct version an’amta (The way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace)], and he knows that this verbal form is wrong, then the prayer is not valid. But if he does not know that he is distorting the meaning, and he thinks that this form is second person singular rather than first person, then there is a difference of scholarly opinion on this point. And Allaah knows best.
So you must try hard and keep practising it. You can do this by reciting it to another Muslim sister who can recite it well, and by listening to soorahs recited by skilled reciters on tapes or broadcasts.
There is no need to feel nervous and anxious, because Allaah knows what is in people’s hearts, and He knows who is trying hard and making the effort, and who is lazy and heedless.
The difficulty that you find in reciting Qur’aan will increase your hasanaat (good deeds) and rewards. It was narrated that ‘Aaishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The one who is skilled in reciting Qur’aan will be with the noble and obedient scribes (i.e., the angels?) and the one who reads the Qur’aan and struggles with it because it is difficult for him will have two rewards.”
(Narrated by Muslim, 798)
Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
The one who struggles with it is the one who is hesitant in his recitation because he is not able to memorize it well. He will have two rewards: the reward for reciting it and the reward for his efforts in reciting it.
..waswaas (whispers from the Shaytaan), detracts from the prayer, makes you lose your focus, distracts you from pondering the meaning of the verses and makes the Shaytaan happy, because from that he can find a way to make you suffer so that you will ultimately give up praying. But Allaah is Most Gracious and Most Merciful, and He is more merciful towards us than we are to ourselves, and He does not burden us with more than we can bear .
2. does a muslim have to not smoke cigarettes?
quote: Perhaps you know that all nations of the world – Muslim and kaafir alike – have now started to fight smoking, because they know that it is very harmful. Islam forbids everything that is harmful, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There should be no harming or reciprocating harm.”
Secondly: it was narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah forbids you to trade gossip, to ask too many questions and to waste money.” And Allaah forbade wasteful extravagance when He said (interpretation of the meaning):
“and eat and drink but waste not by extravagance, certainly He (Allaah) likes not Al Musrifoon (those who waste by extravagance) [al-A’raaf 7:31]
The whole world now knows that the money spent on smoking is to be considered as money wasted, from which no benefit is gained; indeed, it is money spent on something harmful. If the money which is spent on smoking worldwide were to be collected, it could have saved entire populations who have died of starvation. Is there anyone more foolish that one who holds a dollar bill and sets fire to it? What is the difference between him and the one who smokes? Indeed, the smoker is more foolish, because the folly of the one who burns a dollar bill ends there, whilst the one who smokes burns his money and also harms his body.
Thirdly: how many disasters have been caused by smoking, because of cigarette butts which are thrown away and cause fires. Other disasters have been caused in other ways, as when a house was burned down with its occupants inside, when a man lit his cigarette when there was a gas leak.
Fourthly: how many people are offended by the smell of smokers, especially when you are unfortunate enough to have one of them standing next to you in the mosque. Probably any nasty smell is easier to bear than the smell of the smoker’s mouth when he has just woken up. It is amazing how many women can put up with the smell of their husbands’ mouths! The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade those who had eaten garlic or onions from coming to the mosque so that they would not offend their fellow-worshippers with their smell. The smell of onions and garlic is easier to bear than the smell of the smoker and his mouth.
These are some of the reasons why smoking is haraam.
3. does a muslim woman have to not where makeup?
quote: In principle it is permissible for women to use cosmetics, but when saying it is permissible it is essential to pay attention to a number of things, such as:
1.
This beautification should not be for non-mahram men. The one for whom she should beautify herself first and foremost is her husband. If she uses cosmetics so that her husband will see her in the best shape, or she appears thus beautified before other women or her mahrams, that is permissible for her, because the basic principle is that she should cover all of her body in front of non-mahram men, so how can it be permissible for her to beautify herself for them in addition to that?
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The materials used for cosmetic purposes should be permissible, such as henna and kohl. It is not permissible for her to use fat from dead meat (i.e., from animals that have not been slaughtered in accordance with sharee’ah) or impure (naajis) substances, because Islam forbids using impure and haraam things.
3.
The materials used for cosmetic purposes should not be harmful to her body. It is not permissible for her to use harmful chemical substances, whether the harmful effect will occur immediately or in the future, because Islam forbids harming oneself, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There should be neither causing harm nor reciprocating harm.”
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The cosmetic effect on the body should be temporary. It is not permissible for her to use those substances that change the creation of Allaah, as some women do by having lip treatments, face peeling and tattoos which change the colour of the skin permanently.
4. does a muslim woman have to not pluck eyebrows?
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Plucking the eyebrows is haram and removing facial hair is also but can we remove hair above the lip and in between the eyebrows??
With regard to removing hair or not removing it, the scholars divide hair into three categories:
1 – Hair which we are commanded to remove or shorten. This is known as Sunan al-Fitrah, such as removing the pubic hairs, trimming the moustache and plucking the armpit hairs. That also includes shaving or cutting the hair of the head during Hajj or ‘Umrah.
The evidence for that is the hadeeth of ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) who said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Ten (actions) are part of the fitrah [natural inclinations of man]: trimming the moustache, letting the beard grow, using the siwaak (tooth-stick), rinsing the nose with water, clipping the nails, washing the finger joints, plucking the armpit hairs, shaving the pubes and washing oneself with water after relieving oneself.”
Zakariyya said: Mus’ab said: And I forgot the tenth but it may have been rinsing the mouth with water.
Narrated by Muslim, 261
2 – Hair which we are forbidden to remove, which includes the eyebrows. The action of removing the hair of the eyebrows is called al-namas. It is also forbidden to remove the hair of the beard.
The evidence for that is the hadeeth of ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) who said: I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “Allaah has cursed the woman who does tattoos and the one who has them done, the woman who plucks eyebrows (al-naamisah) and the one who has it done (al-mutanammisah), and the one who files her teeth for the purpose of beauty, altering the creation of Allaah.”
And it was narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar said: I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “Be different from the mushrikeen: let your beards grow and trim your moustaches.”
al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
The naamisah is the woman who removes hair from the face and the mutanammisah is the one who asks to have that done. This action is haraam, unless a woman develops a beard or moustache, in which case it is not haraam to remove it, rather that is mustahabb in our view.
3 – Hair concerning which the texts are silent and do not say whether it is to be removed or left as it is, such as hair on the legs, hands, cheeks or forehead.
There is some difference of scholarly opinion concerning this.
Some said that it is not permissible to remove it, because removing it implies changing the creation of Allaah, as Allaah tells us that the Shaytaan said:
“ ‘and indeed I will order them to change the nature created by Allaah’”[al-Nisa’ 4:119 – interpretation of the meaning]
Some said that this is one of the things concerning which nothing was said, so the ruling is that it is allowed. It is permissible to leave it or to remove it, because whatever is not mentioned in the Qur’aan or Sunnah is permissible.
It says in Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah:
(a) There is no sin on a woman if she removes hair on her upper lip, thighs, calves and arms. This is not part of the tanammus (plucking) that is forbidden.
(b) The Committee was asked:
What is the Islamic ruling on plucking the hair between the eyebrows?
They replied:
It is permissible to pluck it, because it is not part of the eyebrows.
The Standing Committee was asked:
What is the ruling on a woman removing hair from her body?
They replied:
It is permissible for her to do that, apart from the hair of the eyebrows and head. It is not permissible for her to remove the hair of her head or to remove any part of the eyebrows, whether by shaving or any other means.
As for plucking the eyebrows, this is haraam and is a major sin, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed those who do it.
But as for removing facial hair, there is a difference of opinion among the scholars as to whether it is permissible to remove it. This is based on their various understandings of the word al-namas.
Some scholars said that al-namas means removing any facial hair, and they did not limit it to the eyebrows. Others were of the view that al-namas refers to removing the hair of the eyebrows only. This was the view favoured by the Standing Committee as is clear from the fatwas quoted above.
It says in Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah:
Al-namas means plucking the hair of the eyebrows, which is not permissible because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed the woman who plucks eyebrows (al-naamisah) and the one who has it done (al-mutanammisah).
5. does a muslim have to eat with right hand?
quote: Why the right hand is preferred over the left.
It is part of Allaah’s complete blessing upon us and the perfection of this great religion, that Islam organizes all aspects of our lives. There is nothing good but it has shown it to us, and there is nothing bad but it has warned us against it. As well as beliefs, acts of worship, interactions with others and morals and manners, that also includes our private affairs in which Islam shows us the way that is befitting to man’s noble status and the way in which Allaah has honoured him. That includes the way the Muslim eats and drinks, and so on.
This is an established principle in sharee’ah: that which has to do with honour and nobility, such as putting on one's garment and pants and shoes, entering the mosque, using the siwaak, putting on kohl, clipping the nails, trimming the moustache, combing the hair, plucking the armpit hair, shaving the head, saying salaam at the end of prayer, washing the limbs when purifying oneself, exiting the toilet, eating and drinking, shaking hands, touching the Black Stone, etc are all things which it is mustahabb to start on the right or use the right hand. As for things which are the opposite, such as entering the toilet, exiting the mosque, blowing one’s nose, cleaning oneself after using the toilet, taking off one’s garment, pants and shoes, and so on, it is mustahabb to start on the left or use the left hand. All of that is because the right hand is more noble and honoured. This was stated by al-Nawawi in Sharh Saheeh Muslim. There is a great deal of evidence to support this principle, such as the following:
In al-Saheehayn it is narrated that ‘Umar ibn Salamah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “O young boy, say the name of Allaah and eat with your right hand, and eat from what is nearest to you.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (5376) and Muslim (2022).
In Sunan Abi Dawood (33) it is narrated that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: The right hand of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was for his purification and food, and his left hand was for using the toilet and anything that was dirty
Muslim (262) narrated that Salmaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: He (meaning the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)) forbade any one of us to clean himself with his right hand.
And Muslim (2020) narrated from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “No one among you should eat with his left hand or drink with it, for the shaytaan eats with his left hand and drinks with it.”
Allaah has warned us against disobeying the commands of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), as He says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And let those who oppose the Messenger’s (Muhammad’s) commandment (i.e. his Sunnah __ legal ways, orders, acts of worship, statements) (among the sects) beware, lest some Fitnah (disbelief, trials, afflictions, earthquakes, killing, overpowered by a tyrant) should befall them or a painful torment be inflicted on them”
[al-Noor 24:63]
This applies if one is able to eat with the right hand. But if one is unable to do so, there is no sin in that. Al-Nawawi said in Sharh Muslim (13/191): The objection to eating and drinking with the left hand applies so long as there is no excuse. If there is an excuse which prevents one from eating and drinking with the right hand because of sickness, injury etc, then it is not makrooh. End quote.
Al-Ghazaali said in al-Ihya’ (4/93): Then the One Who gave you two hands to do things with, some of which are noble, such as picking up the Mus-haf, and some are ignoble, such as removing impurities. So if you pick up the Mus-haf with your left hand, and you remove impurities with your right hand, then you have used that which is noble to do something ignoble, and you have neglected its rights and wronged it, and turned away from what is proper. End quote.
To sum up what the scholars have said about the reasons why the right hand is preferred for things that are noble:
1- That is differing from the shaytaan, as in the case of eating and drinking.
2- It is honouring the right hand over the left.
3- It is using proper etiquette with people, so that one does not shake hands with them, take things from them or give things to them with the hand with which one removes impurities.
4- It is a sign of hope that Allaah will make us among those who are on the right hand (ahl al-yameen).
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Pamela, Islam-QA is the worst page you can go to when looking for information on anything relating to Islam.
It's a Salafi / Wahhabi site, run by scholars from Saudi Arabia, and the ideology being spread there is closer to fascism than religion. The scholars giving fatwas there propagate hatred for anyone who is not a Muslim, they propagate physical jihad and claim that women are inferior beings, that they should be beaten, circumsized, hidden behind the walls of their homes and submit to their husbands' every whim.
They brainwash people into believing that they are not allowed to think for themselves, their scholars twist the message of the Qur'an in order to suit their propaganda, and their idelogy is a very sick one.
This cult is spreading like cancer around the globe, funded by petrodollars, that's why when you do a google search on any question relating to Islam, you are highly likely to come upon their sites first. I would suggest you do some deeper research and get more balanced opinions.
Plucking eyebrows is a "major sin"?!? You don't need to be an expert on Islam to see that this is major BS. Just use your brain and ask yourself whether any divine being would have nothing worse to worry about than women plucking their eyebrows. Posts: 2803 | Registered: Feb 2007
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quote:Originally posted by *Dalia*: Pamela, Islam-QA is the worst page you can go to when looking for information on anything relating to Islam.
It's a Salafi / Wahhabi site, run by scholars from Saudi Arabia, and the ideology being spread there is closer to fascism than religion. The scholars giving fatwas there propagate hatred for anyone who is not a Muslim, they propagate physical jihad and claim that women are inferior beings, that they should be beaten, circumsized, hidden behind the walls of their homes and submit to their husbands' every whim.
They brainwash people into believing that they are not allowed to think for themselves, their scholars twist the message of the Qur'an in order to suit their propaganda, and their idelogy is a very sick one.
This cult is spreading like cancer around the globe, funded by petrodollars, that's why when you do a google search on any question relating to Islam, you are highly likely to come upon their sites first. I would suggest you do some deeper research and get more balanced opinions.
Plucking eyebrows is a "major sin"?!? You don't need to be an expert on Islam to see that this is major BS. Just use your brain and ask yourself whether any divine being would have nothing worse to worry about than women plucking their eyebrows.
Agree with every word!!
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So the worshipper must recite it properly in Arabic, because we are commanded to read and recite the Qur’aan as it was revealed.
No, you are commanded not to add anything to it like you have added to it here:
quote:Whoever is unable to pronounce it properly because of some defect in his tongue or because he is not an Arabic-speaker must learn to correct his pronunciation as much as he can.
If he cannot, then he is relieved of this obligation, because Allaah does not burden people with more than they are able to bear.
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Allaah burdens not a person beyond his scope”
[al-Baqarah 2:286]
If a person is unable to recite al-Faatihah at all or is unable to learn it, or he has just become Muslim and the time for prayer has come and there is not enough time for him to learn it, then he is given a way out in the following hadeeth:
Ibn Qudaamah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
If a person does not know any Qur’aan, and he cannot learn it before the time for prayer is over, then he must say Subhaan-Allaah wa’l-hamdu Lillaah wa laa ilaaha ill-Allaah wa Allaahu akbar wa laa hawla wa la quwwata illa Billaah (Glory be to Allaah, praise be to Allaah, there is no god except Allaah, Allaah is Most great and there is no power and no strength except with Allaah), because Abu Dawood narrated that a man came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said, “I am not able to learn anything of the Qur’aan, so teach me something that will suffice me.” He said, “Say, Subhaan-Allaah wa’l-hamdu Lillaah wa laa ilaaha ill-Allaah wa Allaahu akbar wa laa hawla wa la quwwata illa Billaah.” The man said, “This is for my Lord, what is there for me?” He said, “Say: Allaahumma ighfir li warhamni warzuqni wahdini wa ‘aafini (O Allaah, forgive me, have mercy on me, grant me provision, guide me, and give me good health).” But he does not have to do more than say the first five phrases, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) only said that, and he only told him more when he asked for more.
(end of Ibn Qudaamah’s words)
But if a person is able to recite part of al-Faatihah only, he should recite that which he is able to recite. And he has to repeat what he can recite well (i.e., so that the total number of what he recites will be seven verses, equivalent to the number of verses in al-Faatihah).
Ibn Qudaamah said:
It may be sufficient for him to say alhamdu-Lillaah (praise be to Allaah), laa ilaaha ill-Allaah (there is no god but Allaah) and Allaahu akbar (Allaah is most great), because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whatever you know of Qur’aan, recite it, otherwise praise Allaah, proclaim His Oneness and magnify Him.” (Narrated by Abu Dawood)
What you have read about the prayer being invalid if the worshipper mispronounces a single letter of al-Faatihah cannot be taken as general in meaning. Not every mistake in al-Faatihah invalidates the prayer; rather it cannot be invalidated unless something is omitted from al-Faatihah, or the pronunciation is changed in a way that distorts the meaning. Moreover, this ruling on the prayer becoming invalid applies to those who are able to recite al-Faatihah correctly or who are able to learn it but do not.
As for those who are unable to do so, they should recite it as best as they can, and that does not affect them, because Allaah does not burden a soul beyond its scope. One of the basic principles established by the scholars is that nothing is obligatory when a person is unable to do it. See al-Mughni, 2/154.
In this case a person should recite al-Faatihah as best as he is able, and then glorify Allaah, praise Him, magnify Him and proclaim His Oneness (by saying Subhaan-Allaah wa’l-hamdu Lillaah wa Allaahu akbar wa laa ilaaha ill-Allaah), so that this will make up for whatever he has missed out of al-Faatihah.
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked:
Is the prayer of one who mispronounces al-Faatihah valid or not?
He replied:
If a person mispronounces al-Faatihah in a way that does not distort the meaning, his prayer is valid, whether he is leading others in prayer or is praying alone.
But with regard to the kind of mispronunciation that distorts the meaning, if the person knows the meaning, such as if he says ‘Siraat allaadheena an’amtu ‘alayhim [meaning “The way of those on whom I have bestowed my grace”, instead of the correct version an’amta (The way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace)], and he knows that this verbal form is wrong, then the prayer is not valid. But if he does not know that he is distorting the meaning, and he thinks that this form is second person singular rather than first person, then there is a difference of scholarly opinion on this point. And Allaah knows best.
So you must try hard and keep practising it. You can do this by reciting it to another Muslim sister who can recite it well, and by listening to soorahs recited by skilled reciters on tapes or broadcasts.
There is no need to feel nervous and anxious, because Allaah knows what is in people’s hearts, and He knows who is trying hard and making the effort, and who is lazy and heedless.
The difficulty that you find in reciting Qur’aan will increase your hasanaat (good deeds) and rewards. It was narrated that ‘Aaishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The one who is skilled in reciting Qur’aan will be with the noble and obedient scribes (i.e., the angels?) and the one who reads the Qur’aan and struggles with it because it is difficult for him will have two rewards.”
(Narrated by Muslim, 798)
Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
The one who struggles with it is the one who is hesitant in his recitation because he is not able to memorize it well. He will have two rewards: the reward for reciting it and the reward for his efforts in reciting it.
..waswaas (whispers from the Shaytaan), detracts from the prayer, makes you lose your focus, distracts you from pondering the meaning of the verses and makes the Shaytaan happy, because from that he can find a way to make you suffer so that you will ultimately give up praying. But Allaah is Most Gracious and Most Merciful, and He is more merciful towards us than we are to ourselves, and He does not burden us with more than we can bear .
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Im sure to you it makes perfect sense that if someone not fluent in Arabic and cant learn Al Fatiha (a mere 7 small verses) in time for prayer they would of course immediately be able to learn the rest of the ARABIC you have quoted here!! Sadly to me that makes no sense at all. Contrary to popular Arab belief, God/Allah is NOT Arab and understands ALL languages as He is the one that gave ALL languages.
The reciting in Arabic is learnt by rote and recited by rote. The 'advantage' of learning it in Arabic is that you will recite the same as every muslim in the world no matter what language they have as native.
012.002 YUSUFALI: We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur'an, in order that ye may learn wisdom. PICKTHAL: Lo! We have revealed it, a Lecture in Arabic, that ye may understand. SHAKIR: Surely We have revealed it-- an Arabic Quran-- that you may understand.
013.037 YUSUFALI: Thus have We revealed it to be a judgment of authority in Arabic. Wert thou to follow their (vain) desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither protector nor defender against Allah. PICKTHAL: Thus have We revealed it, a decisive utterance in Arabic; and if thou shouldst follow their desires after that which hath come unto thee of knowledge, then truly wouldst thou have from Allah no protecting friend nor defender. SHAKIR: And thus have We revealed it, a true judgment in Arabic, and if you follow their low desires after what has come to you of knowledge, you shall not have against Allah any guardian or a protector.
016.103 YUSUFALI: We know indeed that they say, "It is a man that teaches him." The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and clear. PICKTHAL: And We know well that they say: Only a man teacheth him. The speech of him at whom they falsely hint is outlandish, and this is clear Arabic speech. SHAKIR: And certainly We know that they say: Only a mortal teaches him. The tongue of him whom they reproach is barbarous, and this is clear Arabic tongue.
020.113 YUSUFALI: Thus have We sent this down - an arabic Qur'an - and explained therein in detail some of the warnings, in order that they may fear Allah, or that it may cause their remembrance (of Him). PICKTHAL: Thus we have revealed it as a Lecture in Arabic, and have displayed therein certain threats, that peradventure they may keep from evil or that it may cause them to take heed. SHAKIR: And thus have We sent it down an Arabic Quran, and have distinctly set forth therein of threats that they may guard (against evil) or that it may produce a reminder for them.
026.195 YUSUFALI: In the perspicuous Arabic tongue. PICKTHAL: In plain Arabic speech. SHAKIR: In plain Arabic language.
039.028 YUSUFALI: (It is) a Qur'an in Arabic, without any crookedness (therein): in order that they may guard against Evil. PICKTHAL: A Lecture in Arabic, containing no crookedness, that haply they may ward off (evil). SHAKIR: An Arabic Quran without any crookedness, that they may guard (against evil).
041.003 YUSUFALI: A Book, whereof the verses are explained in detail;- a Qur'an in Arabic, for people who understand;- PICKTHAL: A Scripture whereof the verses are expounded, a Lecture in Arabic for people who have knowledge, SHAKIR: A Book of which the verses are made plain, an Arabic Quran for a people who know:
041.044 YUSUFALI: Had We sent this as a Qur'an (in the language) other than Arabic, they would have said: "Why are not its verses explained in detail? What! (a Book) not in Arabic and (a Messenger an Arab?" Say: "It is a Guide and a Healing to those who believe; and for those who believe not, there is a deafness in their ears, and it is blindness in their (eyes): They are (as it were) being called from a place far distant!" PICKTHAL: And if We had appointed it a Lecture in a foreign tongue they would assuredly have said: If only its verses were expounded (so that we might understand)? What! A foreign tongue and an Arab? - Say unto them (O Muhammad): For those who believe it is a guidance and a healing; and as for those who disbelieve, there is a deafness in their ears, and it is blindness for them. Such are called to from afar. SHAKIR: And if We had made it a Quran in a foreign tongue, they would certainly have said: Why have not its communications been made clear? What! a foreign (tongue) and an Arabian! Say: It is to those who believe a guidance and a healing; and (as for) those who do not believe, there is a heaviness in their ears and it is obscure to them; these shall be called to from a far-off place.
043.003 YUSUFALI: We have made it a Qur'an in Arabic, that ye may be able to understand (and learn wisdom). PICKTHAL: Lo! We have appointed it a Lecture, in Arabic that haply ye may understand. SHAKIR: Surely We have made it an Arabic Quran that you may understand.
These verses CLEARLY say WHY it was revealed in Arabic, because Muhammed was ARAB. If he had been French then Quran would be in French, but it would not make French some holy language anymore than it does Arabic, and nowhere in these verses does it say one HAS to recite it in Arabic for it 'to be valid'. You throw yourself on the floor and worship in punjabi and it will be valid! You really think the Creator is going to make a genuine prayer invalid because you didnt get 'ayn right in the verse?? You believe that then you really have NO concept of Allah at all. Posts: 15090 | From: http://www.egyptalk.com/forum/ | Registered: Jul 2004
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quote:Originally posted by paradise_seekers: 2. does a muslim have to not smoke cigarettes?
Perhaps you know that all nations of the world – Muslim and kaafir alike – have now started to fight smoking, because they know that it is very harmful. Islam forbids everything that is harmful, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There should be no harming or reciprocating harm.”
Secondly: it was narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah forbids you to trade gossip, to ask too many questions and to waste money.” And Allaah forbade wasteful extravagance when He said (interpretation of the meaning):
“and eat and drink but waste not by extravagance, certainly He (Allaah) likes not Al Musrifoon (those who waste by extravagance) [al-A’raaf 7:31]
The whole world now knows that the money spent on smoking is to be considered as money wasted, from which no benefit is gained; indeed, it is money spent on something harmful. If the money which is spent on smoking worldwide were to be collected, it could have saved entire populations who have died of starvation. Is there anyone more foolish that one who holds a dollar bill and sets fire to it? What is the difference between him and the one who smokes? Indeed, the smoker is more foolish, because the folly of the one who burns a dollar bill ends there, whilst the one who smokes burns his money and also harms his body.
Thirdly: how many disasters have been caused by smoking, because of cigarette butts which are thrown away and cause fires. Other disasters have been caused in other ways, as when a house was burned down with its occupants inside, when a man lit his cigarette when there was a gas leak.
Fourthly: how many people are offended by the smell of smokers, especially when you are unfortunate enough to have one of them standing next to you in the mosque. Probably any nasty smell is easier to bear than the smell of the smoker’s mouth when he has just woken up. It is amazing how many women can put up with the smell of their husbands’ mouths! The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade those who had eaten garlic or onions from coming to the mosque so that they would not offend their fellow-worshippers with their smell. The smell of onions and garlic is easier to bear than the smell of the smoker and his mouth.
These are some of the reasons why smoking is haraam.
The prophet forbade people entering the Mosque??
No prophet would EVER forbid someone entering a Mosque or forbid them from praying!
003.094 YUSUFALI: If any, after this, invent a lie and attribute it to Allah, they are indeed unjust wrong-doers.
002.085 YUSUFALI: After this it is ye, the same people, who slay among yourselves, and banish a party of you from their homes; assist (Their enemies) against them, in guilt and rancour; and if they come to you as captives, ye ransom them, though it was not lawful for you to banish them. Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do ye reject the rest? but what is the reward for those among you who behave like this but disgrace in this life?- and on the Day of Judgment they shall be consigned to the most grievous penalty. For Allah is not unmindful of what ye do.
005.087 YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! make not unlawful the good things which Allah hath made lawful for you, but commit no excess: for Allah loveth not those given to excess.
010.059 YUSUFALI: Say: "See ye what things Allah hath sent down to you for sustenance? Yet ye hold forbidden some things thereof and (some things) lawful." Say: "Hath Allah indeed permitted you, or do ye invent (things) to attribute to Allah?"
016.116 YUSUFALI: But say not - for any false thing that your tongues may put forth,- "This is lawful, and this is forbidden," so as to ascribe false things to Allah. For those who ascribe false things to Allah, will never prosper.
Life is sacred, we (all mankind) are not to take life. Smoking can be harmful to your life but to say it is haram is biddah IMO.
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quote:Originally posted by paradise_seekers: 3. does a muslim woman have to not where makeup?
In principle it is permissible for women to use cosmetics, but when saying it is permissible it is essential to pay attention to a number of things, such as:
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This beautification should not be for non-mahram men. The one for whom she should beautify herself first and foremost is her husband. If she uses cosmetics so that her husband will see her in the best shape, or she appears thus beautified before other women or her mahrams, that is permissible for her, because the basic principle is that she should cover all of her body in front of non-mahram men, so how can it be permissible for her to beautify herself for them in addition to that?
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The materials used for cosmetic purposes should be permissible, such as henna and kohl. It is not permissible for her to use fat from dead meat (i.e., from animals that have not been slaughtered in accordance with sharee’ah) or impure (naajis) substances, because Islam forbids using impure and haraam things.
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The materials used for cosmetic purposes should not be harmful to her body. It is not permissible for her to use harmful chemical substances, whether the harmful effect will occur immediately or in the future, because Islam forbids harming oneself, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There should be neither causing harm nor reciprocating harm.”
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The cosmetic effect on the body should be temporary. It is not permissible for her to use those substances that change the creation of Allaah, as some women do by having lip treatments, face peeling and tattoos which change the colour of the skin permanently.
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4. does a muslim woman have to not pluck eyebrows?
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Plucking the eyebrows is haram and removing facial hair is also but can we remove hair above the lip and in between the eyebrows??
With regard to removing hair or not removing it, the scholars divide hair into three categories:
1 – Hair which we are commanded to remove or shorten. This is known as Sunan al-Fitrah, such as removing the pubic hairs, trimming the moustache and plucking the armpit hairs. That also includes shaving or cutting the hair of the head during Hajj or ‘Umrah.
The evidence for that is the hadeeth of ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) who said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Ten (actions) are part of the fitrah [natural inclinations of man]: trimming the moustache, letting the beard grow, using the siwaak (tooth-stick), rinsing the nose with water, clipping the nails, washing the finger joints, plucking the armpit hairs, shaving the pubes and washing oneself with water after relieving oneself.”
Zakariyya said: Mus’ab said: And I forgot the tenth but it may have been rinsing the mouth with water.
Narrated by Muslim, 261
2 – Hair which we are forbidden to remove, which includes the eyebrows. The action of removing the hair of the eyebrows is called al-namas. It is also forbidden to remove the hair of the beard.
The evidence for that is the hadeeth of ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) who said: I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “Allaah has cursed the woman who does tattoos and the one who has them done, the woman who plucks eyebrows (al-naamisah) and the one who has it done (al-mutanammisah), and the one who files her teeth for the purpose of beauty, altering the creation of Allaah.”
And it was narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar said: I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “Be different from the mushrikeen: let your beards grow and trim your moustaches.”
al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
The naamisah is the woman who removes hair from the face and the mutanammisah is the one who asks to have that done. This action is haraam, unless a woman develops a beard or moustache, in which case it is not haraam to remove it, rather that is mustahabb in our view.
3 – Hair concerning which the texts are silent and do not say whether it is to be removed or left as it is, such as hair on the legs, hands, cheeks or forehead.
There is some difference of scholarly opinion concerning this.
Some said that it is not permissible to remove it, because removing it implies changing the creation of Allaah, as Allaah tells us that the Shaytaan said:
[b]“ ‘and indeed I will order them to change the nature created by Allaah’”[al-Nisa’ 4:119 – interpretation of the meaning]
Some said that this is one of the things concerning which nothing was said, so the ruling is that it is allowed. It is permissible to leave it or to remove it, because whatever is not mentioned in the Qur’aan or Sunnah is permissible.
It says in Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah:
(a) There is no sin on a woman if she removes hair on her upper lip, thighs, calves and arms. This is not part of the tanammus (plucking) that is forbidden.
(b) The Committee was asked:
What is the Islamic ruling on plucking the hair between the eyebrows?
They replied:
It is permissible to pluck it, because it is not part of the eyebrows.
The Standing Committee was asked:
What is the ruling on a woman removing hair from her body?
They replied:
It is permissible for her to do that, apart from the hair of the eyebrows and head. It is not permissible for her to remove the hair of her head or to remove any part of the eyebrows, whether by shaving or any other means.
As for plucking the eyebrows, this is haraam and is a major sin, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed those who do it.
But as for removing facial hair, there is a difference of opinion among the scholars as to whether it is permissible to remove it. This is based on their various understandings of the word al-namas.
Some scholars said that al-namas means removing any facial hair, and they did not limit it to the eyebrows. Others were of the view that al-namas refers to removing the hair of the eyebrows only. This was the view favoured by the Standing Committee as is clear from the fatwas quoted above.
It says in Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah:
Al-namas means plucking the hair of the eyebrows, which is not permissible because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed the woman who plucks eyebrows (al-naamisah) and the one who has it done (al-mutanammisah).
It amazes me that in all this BS you can only site ONE small verse from Quran which if you use your BRAIN you will see this is nothing to do with plucking eyebrows or wearing make up. If it WAS anything to do with that then shaving calves and underarms and men shaving at all would be the SAME.
As normal from this site it is ALL about hadith and mans word to oppress women and NOTHING to do with Quran or what Allah actually said!! Posts: 15090 | From: http://www.egyptalk.com/forum/ | Registered: Jul 2004
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quote:Originally posted by paradise_seekers: 5. does a muslim have to eat with right hand?
Why the right hand is preferred over the left.
It is part of Allaah’s complete blessing upon us and the perfection of this great religion, that Islam organizes all aspects of our lives. There is nothing good but it has shown it to us, and there is nothing bad but it has warned us against it. As well as beliefs, acts of worship, interactions with others and morals and manners, that also includes our private affairs in which Islam shows us the way that is befitting to man’s noble status and the way in which Allaah has honoured him. That includes the way the Muslim eats and drinks, and so on.
This is an established principle in sharee’ah: that which has to do with honour and nobility, such as putting on one's garment and pants and shoes, entering the mosque, using the siwaak, putting on kohl, clipping the nails, trimming the moustache, combing the hair, plucking the armpit hair, shaving the head, saying salaam at the end of prayer, washing the limbs when purifying oneself, exiting the toilet, eating and drinking, shaking hands, touching the Black Stone, etc are all things which it is mustahabb to start on the right or use the right hand. As for things which are the opposite, such as entering the toilet, exiting the mosque, blowing one’s nose, cleaning oneself after using the toilet, taking off one’s garment, pants and shoes, and so on, it is mustahabb to start on the left or use the left hand. All of that is because the right hand is more noble and honoured. This was stated by al-Nawawi in Sharh Saheeh Muslim. There is a great deal of evidence to support this principle, such as the following:
In al-Saheehayn it is narrated that ‘Umar ibn Salamah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “O young boy, say the name of Allaah and eat with your right hand, and eat from what is nearest to you.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (5376) and Muslim (2022).
In Sunan Abi Dawood (33) it is narrated that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: The right hand of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was for his purification and food, and his left hand was for using the toilet and anything that was dirty
Muslim (262) narrated that Salmaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: He (meaning the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)) forbade any one of us to clean himself with his right hand.
And Muslim (2020) narrated from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “No one among you should eat with his left hand or drink with it, for the shaytaan eats with his left hand and drinks with it.”
Allaah has warned us against disobeying the commands of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), as He says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And let those who oppose the Messenger’s (Muhammad’s) commandment (i.e. his Sunnah __ legal ways, orders, acts of worship, statements) (among the sects) beware, lest some Fitnah (disbelief, trials, afflictions, earthquakes, killing, overpowered by a tyrant) should befall them or a painful torment be inflicted on them”
[al-Noor 24:63]
This applies if one is able to eat with the right hand. But if one is unable to do so, there is no sin in that. Al-Nawawi said in Sharh Muslim (13/191): The objection to eating and drinking with the left hand applies so long as there is no excuse. If there is an excuse which prevents one from eating and drinking with the right hand because of sickness, injury etc, then it is not makrooh. End quote.
Al-Ghazaali said in al-Ihya’ (4/93): Then the One Who gave you two hands to do things with, some of which are noble, such as picking up the Mus-haf, and some are ignoble, such as removing impurities. So if you pick up the Mus-haf with your left hand, and you remove impurities with your right hand, then you have used that which is noble to do something ignoble, and you have neglected its rights and wronged it, and turned away from what is proper. End quote.
To sum up what the scholars have said about the reasons why the right hand is preferred for things that are noble:
1- That is differing from the shaytaan, as in the case of eating and drinking.
2- It is honouring the right hand over the left.
3- It is using proper etiquette with people, so that one does not shake hands with them, take things from them or give things to them with the hand with which one removes impurities.
4- It is a sign of hope that Allaah will make us among those who are on the right hand (ahl al-yameen).
And Allaah knows best.
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Lots more BS and again only ONE verse from Quran but lets see what it really says, because what is quoted here is different
024.063 YUSUFALI: Deem not the summons of the Messenger among yourselves like the summons of one of you to another: Allah doth know those of you who slip away under shelter of some excuse: then let those beware who withstand the Messenger's order, lest some trial befall them, or a grievous penalty be inflicted on them. PICKTHAL: Make not the calling of the messenger among you as your calling one of another. Allah knoweth those of you who steal away, hiding themselves. And let those who conspire to evade orders beware lest grief or painful punishment befall them. SHAKIR: Do not hold the Messenger's calling (you) among you to be like your calling one to the other; Allah indeed knows those who steal away from among you, concealing themselves; therefore let those beware who go against his order lest a trial afflict them or there befall them a painful chastisement.
again nothing to do with how its quoted here. The messenger abided by Quran, he did not invent his own extension to the Quran and did not provide us with his own religion, he followed that which Allah told him IN Quran. There is NOTHING in Quran about what hand to eat with.
The reason ARABS eat with their right hand is because they eat with their hands! They do not use utensils and certainly didnt back then and most dont now. The left hand is used to clean yourself after using the toilet as toilet paper is not used and one washes after the toilet and so the right hand became the 'clean' hand to eat with.
quote:Originally posted by Ayisha: It amazes me that in all this BS you can only site ONE small verse from Quran which if you use your BRAIN you will see this is nothing to do with plucking eyebrows or wearing make up. If it WAS anything to do with that then shaving calves and underarms and men shaving at all would be the SAME.
You know what amazes me the most? That the very same scholars who claim that it is forbidden to pluck the eyebrows because that means "changing God's creation" claim in other fatwas that it is obligatory or recommended to cut off a woman's clitoris.
quote:Originally posted by Ayisha: It says in Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah:
It takes a committie to decide about plucking eye brows?
subz it takes a committee and a number of fatwa to decided which foot to enter a bathroom with or whether to wash or wipe and a whole book of scholars to decide on what is 'pure' water By the time you get through all the rules you've crapped yourself and there aint no fatwa or hadith on that!!
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quote:Originally posted by Ayisha: It amazes me that in all this BS you can only site ONE small verse from Quran which if you use your BRAIN you will see this is nothing to do with plucking eyebrows or wearing make up. If it WAS anything to do with that then shaving calves and underarms and men shaving at all would be the SAME.
You know what amazes me the most? That the very same scholars who claim that it is forbidden to pluck the eyebrows because that means "changing God's creation" claim in other fatwas that it is obligatory or recommended to cut off a woman's clitoris.
Obviously you are not MAN enough or HUMAN enough to have a discussion or debate, you are marely a sick racist turd.
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So I should report the demeaning, insulting things you post....right? I'll be sure and do that.
Muslims are a trip. they get indignant when they think their precious religion has been insulted but just insult the hell out of everyone else and that is OK.
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quote:Originally posted by TheAmericanPatriot: So I should report the demeaning, insulting things you post....right? I'll be sure and do that.
Muslims are a trip. they get indignant when they think their precious religion has been insulted but just insult the hell out of everyone else and that is OK.
please show where I have insulted you. The truth is not meant as an insult. You are a racist, if you see that as an insult prehaps you should rethink being one.
you are free to report any post of mine or anyone elses and it is VERY rare I have ever reported a post but you have shown yourself to be childish because you were losing an argument and looking stupid on another thread (well thats on about every thread you post on really) Posts: 15090 | From: http://www.egyptalk.com/forum/ | Registered: Jul 2004
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You do not think calling someone a racist is an insult, or calling someone a turd? Go back and read some of your posts. Look stupid, childish? You do not call that an insult?
It is some of the funniest stuff I have read. Then you have the nerve, the gall to call someone else insulting. Now do you see why some Brits want you people thrown out of the country?
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quote:Originally posted by Ayisha: It amazes me that in all this BS you can only site ONE small verse from Quran which if you use your BRAIN you will see this is nothing to do with plucking eyebrows or wearing make up. If it WAS anything to do with that then shaving calves and underarms and men shaving at all would be the SAME.
You know what amazes me the most? That the very same scholars who claim that it is forbidden to pluck the eyebrows because that means "changing God's creation" claim in other fatwas that it is obligatory or recommended to cut off a woman's clitoris.
quote:Originally posted by TheAmericanPatriot: America is a part of western civilization. The Indians do not count as they were defeated and British settlers founded governments and societies here. The Indians now live on reservations or have been absorbed into the larger population.
quote:Originally posted by Ayisha: Do not COUNT?? Listen you Nazi asswipe, people COUNT whatever their colour, race or religion.
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quote:Originally posted by Ayisha: Clear you talk out your arse hammer.
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Ayisha, "you Nazi asswipe" and she calls me insulting? Looks like others are on to her as well.
the cool part is that Ayisha truly believes it is ok for her to do this BUT not for the rest of us. The amazing part is that i did not even insult her but rather some guy who has been dead for 1200 years.
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quote:Originally posted by TheAmericanPatriot: You do not think calling someone a racist is an insult, or calling someone a turd? Go back and read some of your posts. Look stupid, childish? You do not call that an insult?
It is some of the funniest stuff I have read. Then you have the nerve, the gall to call someone else insulting. Now do you see why some Brits want you people thrown out of the country?
It pains you that I am British doesnt it
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That is your double standard Ayisha. When someone else says something it is an insult, what YOU say is truth. It is some of the funniest stuff I have read here.
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quote:Originally posted by Pamela in Blue: are all not true?
The truth is not difficult to find. All we have to do is to read the original history of Islam written by the early historians, read the Hadith for historical information, and read the Quran. When you do that, you get to know the true Islam. Then, when you read the books written by these modern apologists of Islam, you can see that they are concealing the truth.
To find the truth we have to go to the source. The sources are the original histories written by Ibn Is-haq, al Waquidi, al Tabari and the Hadith. These are the early books on the history of Islam written by Muslim historians. All the later scholars must, or should have, consulted these books. There are no other sources on the history of Islam. So if what the modern Islamic writers say is contrary to what the above books say, are they telling the truth?
Why would they lie? The answer is complex. Some of them actually have never read the original sources that I mentioned. They rely on what other, contemporary apologists have written. Many Muslims terrorize those who criticize Islam. In such a repressive atmosphere, deceit is applied and truth is the casualty.
There is also another factor that has to be taken into consideration: Political Correctness. In the last century, the Europeans started to dislike Christianity and found every other culture better than their own. Romanticizing Indian culture, Chinese culture, or Islamic culture became the vogue. To qualify as an intellectual, all one had to do was to criticize Judeo-Christianity and pay tribute to other cultures. This mentality actually gave birth to a cult that is now permeating the western mindset. It is called Political Correctness. To fit in the society you must belong to this cult. And to belong you must not tell the truth if that truth could offend someone from another culture. You are supposed to say things that are "nice" lest you hurt other people's sensibilities.
In other words, Political Correctness means expediently lying when truth is hurtful. Of course criticizing Judeo-Christianity is not considered to be politically incorrect. You can offend the Jews or the Christians but not others. Thus, influenced by this culture of self-deceit, many Westerners, and especially the Europeans, produced a lot of revisionist nonsense, lying about the historical facts.
Emerging from the dark ages of colonialism, when the newspapers started revealing the brutalities perpetrated by their own governments in the colonized countries, especially in Americas, the Europeans were shocked. They were disgusted at the inhumanity of their own ethos. Therefore, lauding other cultures and slandering their own was a form of repentance.
Subsequently a new ethos was created, as oppressive as a cult, where the apostates are labeled as racists and scorned. To be politically correct, they produced factually incorrect literature and even taught those lies to their children. Textbooks were rewritten to accommodate the non-Judeo-Christian mores. The idea was to educate the new generations to be tolerant and accepting of other cultures. The idea was noble; something that Muslims would not be able even to understand. However, the sad reality is that by doing so, the truth was sacrificed at the altar of Political Correctness. This provided the milieu for Islam to expand in the West. Islam thrives in an environment where truth is suppressed.
Political Correctness is the brainchild of the people with good intention. However, as they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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Can you inmagine if you did not come home for several days and then told your wife that you were in a frickin cave talking to an angel. If you were trying to write total farse you could not do a better job.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by unfinished thought.: The truth is not difficult to find. All we have to do is to read the original history of Islam written by the early historians, read the Hadith for historical information, and read the Quran. When you do that, you get to know the true Islam. Then, when you read the books written by these modern apologists of Islam, you can see that they are concealing the truth.
To find the truth we have to go to the source. The sources are the original histories written by Ibn Is-haq, al Waquidi, al Tabari and the Hadith. These are the early books on the history of Islam written by Muslim historians. All the later scholars must, or should have, consulted these books. There are no other sources on the history of Islam. So if what the modern Islamic writers say is contrary to what the above books say, are they telling the truth?
Why would they lie? The answer is complex. Some of them actually have never read the original sources that I mentioned. They rely on what other, contemporary apologists have written. Many Muslims terrorize those who criticize Islam. In such a repressive atmosphere, deceit is applied and truth is the casualty.
There is also another factor that has to be taken into consideration: Political Correctness. In the last century, the Europeans started to dislike Christianity and found every other culture better than their own. Romanticizing Indian culture, Chinese culture, or Islamic culture became the vogue. To qualify as an intellectual, all one had to do was to criticize Judeo-Christianity and pay tribute to other cultures. This mentality actually gave birth to a cult that is now permeating the western mindset. It is called Political Correctness. To fit in the society you must belong to this cult. And to belong you must not tell the truth if that truth could offend someone from another culture. You are supposed to say things that are "nice" lest you hurt other people's sensibilities.
In other words, Political Correctness means expediently lying when truth is hurtful. Of course criticizing Judeo-Christianity is not considered to be politically incorrect. You can offend the Jews or the Christians but not others. Thus, influenced by this culture of self-deceit, many Westerners, and especially the Europeans, produced a lot of revisionist nonsense, lying about the historical facts.
Emerging from the dark ages of colonialism, when the newspapers started revealing the brutalities perpetrated by their own governments in the colonized countries, especially in Americas, the Europeans were shocked. They were disgusted at the inhumanity of their own ethos. Therefore, lauding other cultures and slandering their own was a form of repentance.
Subsequently a new ethos was created, as oppressive as a cult, where the apostates are labeled as racists and scorned. To be politically correct, they produced factually incorrect literature and even taught those lies to their children. Textbooks were rewritten to accommodate the non-Judeo-Christian mores. The idea was to educate the new generations to be tolerant and accepting of other cultures. The idea was noble; something that Muslims would not be able even to understand. However, the sad reality is that by doing so, the truth was sacrificed at the altar of Political Correctness. This provided the milieu for Islam to expand in the West. Islam thrives in an environment where truth is suppressed.
Political Correctness is the brainchild of the people with good intention. However, as they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Where'd you copy that from ? Put in the source, I'm curious to learn about the future of Islam in the west since obviously it stands on solid ground. Posts: 3219 | From: Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone. | Registered: Nov 2005
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Originally posted by TheAmericanPatriot: Can you inmagine if you did not come home for several days and then told your wife that you were in a frickin cave talking to an angel. If you were trying to write total farse you could not do a better job.
The farse is the world's only true best seller, it even refers to all time farseurs, like Abraham et al. Posts: 3219 | From: Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone. | Registered: Nov 2005
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Dalia, where on earth did you get the notion that female circumcision ever existed in Saudi Arabia ? It never did nor do they call for it..this ritual is purely African. You missed that one..ma3lish. Posts: 3219 | From: Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone. | Registered: Nov 2005
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by TheAmericanPatriot: Mohammad
Pee be upon him
Man you really hate us Muslims !! What did we do to you personally, so as to make you so mad at the one and only Muhammad PBUH ? Allah doesn't like it when His creations insult His prophet, He has like a fire burning for such low lives. Posts: 3219 | From: Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone. | Registered: Nov 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Dzosser: Dalia, where on earth did you get the notion that female circumcision ever existed in Saudi Arabia ? It never did nor do they call for it..this ritual is purely African. You missed that one..ma3lish.
we know it never existed there Dzosser, which makes the so called hadith even more suspect Dalia's point is that these 'scholars' that advocate FGM are the same ones that call eyebrow plucking 'changing what Allah made' Posts: 15090 | From: http://www.egyptalk.com/forum/ | Registered: Jul 2004
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You forgot to mention that the ones who are tattooed are cursed by Allah.. now lots of the Arab women (muslima) get their eyebrows tattooed. Posts: 3219 | From: Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone. | Registered: Nov 2005
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Dzosser, I am not one of his creations. Islam? Where do we start? Have you been reading the papers for the past thirty years? You might also start with the barbaric way Muslims treat their women. I have said for years that it is a cult and not a religion and thus should not be protected in the west under our freedom of religion laws.
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FGM falls within the category of the "permissible"
In Yemen and Saudi Arabia the custom takes place, but in Saudi Arabia it is common only in the south of the kingdom.
In 2001, Lashkar Jihad used FGM as a tool in its forced conversion of 3,928 Christians living on six islands in the Moluccas (the Spice Islands). The converts, male and female, were forcibly circumcised without anesthetic. Researchers from Ambon island stated that those who carried out the circumcisions were Muslim clerics. Young girls, pregnant women, and even elderly women up to the age of 70 were forced to endure the procedure.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by TheAmericanPatriot: Dzosser, I am not one of his creations. Islam? Where do we start? Have you been reading the papers for the past thirty years? You might also start with the barbaric way Muslims treat their women. I have said for years that it is a cult and not a religion and thus should not be protected in the west under our freedom of religion laws.
Ahh ! So you're one of those 'nature' beings that happen like a repercussion of something..oh well then, no wonder all the hatred to religion.. well anyway in that case its no use talking sense with you and yes I guess 1.3 billion Muslims world wide are all about rag heads that torture their 4 oppressed wives and plot to take over the western world. Dang! How didn't I notice that for the past 30 years. Posts: 3219 | From: Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone. | Registered: Nov 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Ayisha: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Dzosser: You forgot to mention that the ones who are tattooed are cursed by Allah..
oooh thats me buggered then
Oops me too
Now that you know, you can't be going on the wrong way take a turn or do something..dammit Posts: 3219 | From: Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone. | Registered: Nov 2005
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Dzosser, I have no problem with religion. I do have a problem with cults and that is what Islam is.
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quote:Originally posted by Dzosser: Dalia, where on earth did you get the notion that female circumcision ever existed in Saudi Arabia ? It never did nor do they call for it..this ritual is purely African. You missed that one..ma3lish.
*sigh*
I would really appreciate it if you could read my posts correctly and not misinterpret them, Dzosser. And I don't understand why you are constantly trying to mock me and find fault with what I'm saying.
I haven't said anywhere that female circumcision is a tradition in Saudi Arabia, I know it's not.
My statement was referring to the scholars from Islam-QA; they forbid the plucking of eyebrows but claim that female circumcision is either obligatory or a good thing to do. And, yes, they happen to be Saudi. The late Sheikh Ibn Uthaimeen who used to be the grand mufti of Saudi Arabia claims it is "obligatory in the case of men and Sunnah in the case of women". Sheikh Salid al-Munajjid who is responsible for the contents of the Islam-QA website is also from Saudi.
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Sunnah in case of women ???!!! Dih out khaless ba'a !!!
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Arabs/Egyptians to this day try to pull bullshit like that with their wives.
"You know your god is man-made when he hates all the same people you do."
quote:Originally posted by TheAmericanPatriot: Can you inmagine if you did not come home for several days and then told your wife that you were in a frickin cave talking to an angel. If you were trying to write total farse you could not do a better job.
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