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OK Ki$$, well give you credit for King Tut and Ramses the Great, but what happened? Was the fall of ancient Egypt our fault as well? Time to get off the hiney and do something for yourself, wouldn't you say?
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I think there is no need for the United States to side with 340-500 million + arabs against few Jewish settlers. Arabs got enough wealth, land and population to suport Palestinians, there is no need to call upon USA to help them find proper political structures as well as land...etc.
Move them to Morocco, KSA, why not in Iraq, or Syria or Lebanon, how many land's do the arabs need and what about the people who were born for the Holy Land?
Remember this is political it has nothing to do with Religion, and as i understand Islam is some times forced at gun point and followers r often forced to swallow what was arab costumes and cultures but NOT RELIGION.
Israel is Israel, USA is its only alley.
Palestinians find an alley among your millions of arabs.
Tell those arabs to invest on something worthy instead of wasting on Monaco or useless material world...Israelis have saved every penny to reach where they at today, and Pepsi leads the way Pepsi = Pay Every Penny and Safe Israel.
Later yall.
I dont wanna see yet another arab country there is too many of you.
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quote: Having the support of the people would be great for palestinain, or anyone, it wont and doesnt make much difference, unless they are willing to come ever to the mid-east (like a few have) and stand in front of those tanks....
What a great idea, but when you get shot (from your back) while standing infront of the tanks, be ready to hear the stories about Israelis developing shots that can make U turns
quote: govt dont care what people want, only during election they do, the rest is hisitory for the next 4/5 years.
Man, I think there is a big misunderstanding here, USA stands for United States of America, not United States of Arabia.
quote: ...shows how much influence zion/jews( these term are being used too loosely) have on Us govt, and hence on international polciy..
What the hell do you think the US is? A simple toy in the hands of Jews, who form less than 2% of its population? Is it their money? What is the percentage Jewish money contributes to the US economy? Why do Arabs ALWAYS create those stupid meaningless thoughts and end-up believing them?
quote: no way 19 ordinary men, can do such a thing, go pass US securty system just like that... that is just ludicrous!!!! it so obvious it been plotted...
This reminds me of a really nice story When I was in grade 1 in school I failed, guess what, it was those damn Americans and zionists behind it, seeing how popular I was at school, they wanted to take away my power. And not only that, this guy Philip Morris, he made those cigarettes to get me addicted to them and lose my health, and the stories go on....damn Americans
quote: Islam is a nation itself, if you remmeber if was the British empire that marched along and came and split this one nation into many....as long as the muslim are dis-united, the "crusader" (you can say) are safe....
Care to remind me of a time Arabs were WILLINGLY united? Also, why do you refer to the west as "Crusaders"? Do you have ANY doubt that those western nations have the ability to convert all Arab countries to dust in a matter of seconds if they want?
quote: that's why they set up govt with "puppets" in each country, so they can continure to screw each other...why else you think MB aint a recognised party cos they aint puppets....
If this was the case, than niether America nor those governments should be blamed (or called puppets), its all those 10s of millions who let this happen that have to be blamed.
quote: I have a few nigerian friends.....it seems Nigeria would be a perfect exampke of sharia in todays world...
So, your key is the terror used in Nigeria.
I can't believe people can be so ignorant (and still are), America is afraid of us, American killed 3000 of its own people, America sets up governments to screw us up, America is controlled by Jews ........... you are so pathetic, keep it up and we will keep going DOWN.
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quote: What the hell do you think the US is? A simple toy in the hands of Jews, who form less than 2% of its population? Is it their money? What is the percentage Jewish money contributes to the US economy? Why do Arabs ALWAYS create those stupid meaningless thoughts and end-up believing them?
read up on the 80/20 princeply... a small percenatage can have a bigger leverage than you think....
seriouly, you live in Egypt, and you came up with all that crap...what you been doing all your life in egypt?
your another primark, arent you ashamed to be a muslim....or arab....or whatever your heritage... justy wanna be like an american....
if u are an american on the other hand....your ignorance speaks for it self
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This is just garbage spread around on the arab street to keep up opposition to a sane policy in Palestine. They cannot accept the fact that the jews came into Palestine and out preformed them, were smarter and won. It has everything to do with keeping alive the "lost cause."
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quote:Originally posted by Ki$$7eaven: I have a few nigerian friends.....it seems Nigeria would be a perfect exampke of sharia in todays world...
The Women Section of Democratic Socialist Movement (DSM), the Nigerian section of the Committee for a Workers’ International (CWI), calls for the quashing of the death sentence by stoning passed by a Shariah Court in Gwadabawa, Sokoto State, Nigeria, on Mrs. Safiyat Hussain, a 35 year old woman and nursing mother, allegedly for committing adultery.
The judgment was delivered in October 2001 but the execution is yet to be carried out because Safiyat appealed against it. A Shariah appeal court will continue the hearing of her appeal on 18th March 2002.
Safiyat’s defence was that she was raped by Yakubu Muazu, a man who lived in the same village. Both of them were actually arraigned before the Shariah court. But Muazu was acquitted by the court on the ground that no witness testified to confirm that he had any sexual relationship with Safiya while the shariah law requires at least four witnesses before any suspect can be convicted for adultery.
In contrast, the only evidence upon which the court convicted Safiyat was her pregnancy which the judge said was a product of an illicit sexual relationship as she was not married at the time.
The women section of DSM strongly opposes the attempt to deprive Safiyat of her life on the basis of an archaic, medieval and tyrannical law with innate bias and in-built discrimination against women. Her plight graphically reveals the horrendous and oppressive conditions under which women live in many parts of Nigeria either as a girl-child, a single parent, a mother, a wife or a widow. As undemocratic as many parts of the current 1999 Nigerian Constitution are, it still forbids discrimination on the basis of gender. But in reality, women still contend with myriads of discriminations in the areas of education, employment, wages, marriage and so on.
The discrimination against and oppression of women has particularly become aggravated in those parts of Nigeria, such as Sokoto State, which have introduced strict Islamic Shariah law in the past two years. During this period, not a single man has been convicted for the so-called adultery. Does it mean that a woman can commit the so-called adultery alone?
However, the shariah law does not only discriminate against women but the poor working people in general. Since the introduction of this law, several poor, poverty-stricken peasants have had their limbs amputated and disfigured for life on the simple allegation that they stole livestock such as cattle, goats or hen. Many ordinary workers and traders have been flogged and humiliated in public simply for drinking or selling alcohol. In contrast, the capitalist politicians and top civil servants who enacted the shariah law continue to get away with brazen acts of fraud and the looting of several millions of naira from public treasury.
DSM believes that Safiyat should be freed because she is a victim of rape. However, even if she had not been raped, the women section of DSM would still oppose any attempt to convict her for committing a so-called adultery. We believe that women, like men, should have the right to enter into voluntary marital and sexual relationships. Therefore, we call for the acquittal of Safiyat Hussain. We demand for the repeal of all legislations and traditions that discriminates against women and demean ordinary working people.
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You may be aware that we just sold Israel 500 smart bombs. Most of their pilots train in the United states as well. Israel has been a steady and reliable ally for over 50 years. That relationship has deep and has broad support from the American people. Because of car bombs, suicide bombers etc. many Americans view arabs as a little 'nutty' and unreliable. They are seen as extreme and unreasonable with a radical mind set. Conservative Islamic social values, especially those concerning women, fall flat with the American public. Some of you who wonder why you don't get any more support from the united states than you do might want to look in the mirror to find the problem.
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Somali Thug: I doubt that the Arabs would ever support the Palestinians with money, they hate them almost as much as the Israelis. You probably know that Muslims kill other Muslims, and then blame America for it! Posts: 304 | From: egypt | Registered: Dec 2005
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Everything that America was/is built on the misery of others. It's who you are.
And how is Canada any different?
Again Auto, be a man and answer this!
Besides what has Canada done to help the Palestinians? [/QB]
Are you expecting me to defend Canada for some reason or another...not gonna happen. The US is the primary sponsor of Israeli terror and crimes in the middle east. There are many other players who are also aiding and abetting those murderers. Those who top the list are; USA Canada UK France Germany Italy Spain
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quote:Originally posted by sonomod:
quote:Originally posted by sonomod:
quote:Originally posted by Automatic For The People: qb]
Everything that America was/is built on the misery of others. It's who you are.
And how is Canada any different?
Again Auto, be a man and answer this!
Besides what has Canada done to help the Palestinians?
Are you expecting me to defend Canada for some reason or another...not gonna happen. The US is the primary sponsor of Israeli terror and crimes in the middle east. There are many other players who are also aiding and abetting those murderers. Those who top the list are; USA Canada UK France Germany Italy Spain [/QB]
You are forgetting Australia.
Remember this has a foundation that blew up in 1914, many of the foot soilders combined under the British flag were Australian and Canadian.
Yes America has a veto vote but so does 10 other nations in various commitees of the UN, these 10 nations strategically enforce their 1880-1948 diplomacy patchwork style while blamming everything on America.
Its easy to vote the political correct vote knowing it will be cancel by America or Russia or Germany. Its a cop out.
and you are falling for it, as a drone.
You want to focus on what is happening today? Put pressure on the Nations who fought the "Great War" and put the British Mandate, Belfour Treaty and other types of diplomacy including recognizing Israel as a state. These nations need to repeal their earlier mandates, treaties and UN votes. I can be done, but its easier just to sit back blame America and do nothing.
They chose not to repeal their earlier strategies. Its the ultimate lesson for GWB, "Staying the course."
And you are falling for it, like everyone else out of arrogance.
Like America won't back out of the Nato Peace Treaty or even the Nato Alliance. America should even leave the UN completely.
Then the blame would finally be put upon the original guilty parties, America and the red-headed Bastard child to Europe choses to reinforce.
Yeah were idiots, but not calculating sadistic traitors.
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quote:Originally posted by Horemheb: You may be aware that we just sold Israel 500 smart bombs. Most of their pilots train in the United states as well. Israel has been a steady and reliable ally for over 50 years. That relationship has deep and has broad support from the American people. Because of car bombs, suicide bombers etc. many Americans view arabs as a little 'nutty' and unreliable. They are seen as extreme and unreasonable with a radical mind set. Conservative Islamic social values, especially those concerning women, fall flat with the American public. Some of you who wonder why you don't get any more support from the united states than you do might want to look in the mirror to find the problem.
What is it with you and the American public/people? Who gives a **** about the American public or what they think, are you under the impression that the whole world should conduct itself according to what the American public thinks.
Who cares if "many Americans view Arabs as a little 'nutty' and unreliable" , you said it yourself this has only to do with the US political/economic interest. Regardless of what the American people think the US will continue to kill as many as they can to achieve their goals. It is our responsibility to kill as many Americans as possible to defend ourselves. Enough crap already.
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quote:Originally posted by Automatic For The People: It is our responsibility to kill as many Americans as possible to defend ourselves. Enough crap already.
I cannot even believe you wrote that.
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quote:Originally posted by Automatic For The People: Regardless of what the American people think the US will continue to kill as many as they can to achieve their goals. It is our responsibility to kill as many Americans as possible to defend ourselves. Enough crap already.
I cannot even believe you wrote that.
Oops , I forgot the Israelis... well, you can add them in there.
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The fact that you advocate killing someone makes you just as bad as the Americans you seem to hate so much.
You call us murderers, but you seem to be the one with murder in your heart. Pitiful.
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quote:Originally posted by Snoozin: The fact that you advocate killing someone makes you just as bad as the Americans you seem to hate so much.
You call us murderers, but you seem to be the one with murder in your heart. Pitiful.
That's the whole idea, no more "MR. Nice Guy". Whatever it takes to survive, if one of us has to die.....I would rather it be you.
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quote:Originally posted by Automatic For The People: Who cares if "many Americans view Arabs as a little 'nutty' and unreliable" , you said it yourself this has only to do with the US political/economic interest. Regardless of what the American people think the US will continue to kill as many as they can to achieve their goals. It is our responsibility to kill as many Americans as possible to defend ourselves. Enough crap already. [/QB]
It called the preservtion of the American Dream/economy Posts: 2457 | From: U | Registered: Jun 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Automatic For The People: That's the whole idea, no more "MR. Nice Guy". Whatever it takes to survive, if one of us has to die.....I would rather it be you.
If you want to *survive* at your current animalistic state, be my guest.
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The problem with Automatic and people like her is that they do not even know what they want. The nations they live in do not have the poop to oppose the United States in any meaningful way. You cannot win a war with car bombs and suicide bombers.
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The Palestinians, by their behaviour, are showing they cannot handle US help. Despite concessions on the part of Israel (IS REAL?!), they have not followed through with control of its psople. WIth thier bravado of one storming Egypt's borders and killing some Egyptians, it can be seen by 'fellow' Arabs, they cannot be trusted. Yes, they are given verbal support but beyond that, the Palestinians are screwed (using the AMerican vernacular) by other Arabs.
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the pepsi, pay every penny to support israel, thing is a well-known myth. There are many such mistruths that have been spread by the unreliable word-of-mouth network. Just to let you know, there is NO TRUTH to that particular one.
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quote:Originally posted by Horemheb: You cannot win a war with car bombs and suicide bombers.
That is very true and as I said in another thread,sooner or later mini nuclear bombs and other WMD will be available to Palestinians and boy...watch out then, cause you're going to get it in the ass Posts: 637 | Registered: Apr 2005
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Automatic, you seem to forget what happened to Japan. If anyone ever hits the United states just once with a weapon like that all hell will break loose. We did not become the worlds only super power because we were nice people. After 9/11 two middle eastern governments were toppled by American /UK military power. You can mouth off all you want but the fact is that just a single american nuclear sub has, on board, more explosive power than all of the bombs dropped in World war II combined.
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quote:Originally posted by Horemheb: Automatic, you seem to forget what happened to Japan. If anyone ever hits the United states just once with a weapon like that all hell will break loose. We did not become the worlds only super power because we were nice people. After 9/11 two middle eastern governments were toppled by American /UK military power. You can mouth off all you want but the fact is that just a single american nuclear sub has, on board, more explosive power than all of the bombs dropped in World war II combined.
I don't have to go as far back as Japan. We have Afghanistan, Iraq and soon Iran. The US is loosing in Afghanistan and is being Humiliated in Iraq and those people are fighting with traditional weapons. Now imagine what happens when they get their hands on the real stuff...you're fucked.
Let's face it, the US is no good at fighting traditional wars. You have been far more successful at overthrowing democratic governments and installing corrupt regimes, that is where you made all your gains.
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quote:Originally posted by Automatic For The People: And now you're getting your ass kicked in Latin America, that's where you next wars are going to be.
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As I write to you from Egypt having been born in America, I watch with horror and moral revulsion as the US military industrial complex underwrites and supports an act of social extermination in the Middle East. CNN informed us yesterday that the mighty US military had killed eighteen civilians in Pakistan due to "bad intelligence" in the ongoing "war on terror". As an ally in this "war on terror", Pakistani leaders were justifiably upset. Can you imagine the repercussions if Pakistan killed eighteen American civilians on US soil in a "strike against terrorists" based on "bad intelligence"? There would certainly be hell to pay. Yet in this instance, the Pakistanis will be lucky to receive an apology.
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quote:Originally posted by Automatic For The People: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Horemheb: [qb] Let's face it, the US is no good at fighting traditional wars. You have been far more successful at overthrowing democratic governments and installing corrupt regimes, that is where you made all your gains.
Were Iraq and Afghanistan democracies before the USA AND coalition forces invaded?
NO, Iraq was a socialist republic and Afghanistan was a quasi-Islamic tribal confederation.
Auto, dude you really need to build a valid argument with facts, not lies.
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quote:Originally posted by Nooralhaq20055: As I write to you from Egypt having been born in America, I watch with horror and moral revulsion as the US military industrial complex underwrites and supports an act of social extermination in the Middle East. CNN informed us yesterday that the mighty US military had killed eighteen civilians in Pakistan due to "bad intelligence" in the ongoing "war on terror". As an ally in this "war on terror", Pakistani leaders were justifiably upset. Can you imagine the repercussions if Pakistan killed eighteen American civilians on US soil in a "strike against terrorists" based on "bad intelligence"? There would certainly be hell to pay. Yet in this instance, the Pakistanis will be lucky to receive an apology.
First off you are not in Egypt.
Secondly where do you think the US military got their intelligence? The Pakistani military!
And remember the Waco and Weaver fiascos? Well there was faulty intelligence included in those manuevers as well. So it has happened. Lets not even get started on the Central LA drug raids.
Yet in this instance, the Pakistanis will be lucky to receive an apology.
No the actual village won't recieve an apology. But eventually some sort of humanitarian group will be in there to rebuild. Half the time "civilian affairs" unit of the US Army does the back work and an NGO facilitates.
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quote:Originally posted by Nooralhaq20055: As I write to you from Egypt having been born in America, I watch with horror and moral revulsion as the US military industrial complex underwrites and supports an act of social extermination in the Middle East. CNN informed us yesterday that the mighty US military had killed eighteen civilians in Pakistan due to "bad intelligence" in the ongoing "war on terror". As an ally in this "war on terror", Pakistani leaders were justifiably upset. Can you imagine the repercussions if Pakistan killed eighteen American civilians on US soil in a "strike against terrorists" based on "bad intelligence"? There would certainly be hell to pay. Yet in this instance, the Pakistanis will be lucky to receive an apology.
Oh by the way Noor, can you tell if military damage to a village was done by the USSR troops or the coalition forces let me know. Also inform journalists in the region.
At least any rebuilding effort is surely done by coalition forces. Because the USSR never bothered.
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quote:Originally posted by Automatic For The People: And now you're getting your ass kicked in Latin America, that's where you next wars are going to be.
ROFL!!!!
Auto, must've been to high in the 1980s to know that we've already been there. Posts: 5744 | From: Minneapolis, Mn USA | Registered: Mar 2004
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The Palestinians, by their behaviour, are showing they cannot handle US help. Despite concessions on the part of Israel (IS REAL?!), they have not followed through with control of its psople. WIth thier bravado of one storming Egypt's borders and killing some Egyptians, it can be seen by 'fellow' Arabs, they cannot be trusted. Yes, they are given verbal support but beyond that, the Palestinians are screwed (using the AMerican vernacular) by other Arabs.
I agree with part of what you said yazid904:
Yes, they are given verbal support but beyond that, the Palestinians are screwed (using the AMerican vernacular) by other Arabs.
I always wonder why the UN doesn't put a peace keeping mission in there and distribute water according to population needs. Then start building hospitals and schools, so forth. The answer I get is that diplomacy in the region on the behalf of Europe before 1948 has to be repealed because it would be illegal for NATO partners to partake in such a mission.
No one has addressed this symptom so far, repeal prior imperial diplomacy!Posts: 5744 | From: Minneapolis, Mn USA | Registered: Mar 2004
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you're fucked.
Did I say you're fucked [/QB]
Come on now! How about some respect ... this is NOT [/QB][/QUOTE]
Its called going home drunk and alone. Auto is losing his touch with the local Canadian lasses!
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quote:Originally posted by Automatic For The People: And now you're getting your ass kicked in Latin America, that's where you next wars are going to be.
ROFL!!!!
Auto, must've been to high in the 1980s to know that we've already been there.
I'm aware of US criminal history in Latin America. But there's a lot more to come, mark my words. And, I doubt that what snoozing is amused about.
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quote:Originally posted by Automatic For The People:
quote:Originally posted by sonomod:
quote:Originally posted by Snoozin:
quote:Originally posted by Automatic For The People: And now you're getting your ass kicked in Latin America, that's where you next wars are going to be.
ROFL!!!!
Auto, must've been to high in the 1980s to know that we've already been there.
I'm aware of US criminal history in Latin America. But there's a lot more to come, mark my words. And, I hardly doubt that's what snoozing amused about.
If you are so well informed why not share the specifics of your vast knowledge on American history.
Or is the oxygen at your height a little thin today?
Hello, up there, don't post in code. It makes you look ignorant!
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quote:Originally posted by Automatic For The People:
quote:Originally posted by sonomod:
quote:Originally posted by Snoozin:
quote:Originally posted by Automatic For The People: And now you're getting your ass kicked in Latin America, that's where you next wars are going to be.
ROFL!!!!
Auto, must've been to high in the 1980s to know that we've already been there.
I'm aware of US criminal history in Latin America. But there's a lot more to come, mark my words. And, I hardly doubt that's what snoozing amused about.
If you are so well informed why not share the specifics of your vast knowledge on American history.
Or is the oxygen at your height a little thin today?
Hello, up there, don't post in code. It makes you look ignorant!
Do you people read the news? I don't have time to write a whole analysis on Latin America but I will give you hints on some recent and not recent events, two names:
Evo Morales Chavez
What do they have in common and what did Morales promise to do with the Foreign Oil Companies. Keep your eyes on the ball, and watch history repeat itself.
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quote:Originally posted by Automatic For The People:
quote:Originally posted by sonomod:
quote:Originally posted by Automatic For The People:
quote:Originally posted by sonomod:
quote:Originally posted by Snoozin:
quote:Originally posted by Automatic For The People: And now you're getting your ass kicked in Latin America, that's where you next wars are going to be.
ROFL!!!!
Auto, must've been to high in the 1980s to know that we've already been there.
I'm aware of US criminal history in Latin America. But there's a lot more to come, mark my words. And, I hardly doubt that's what snoozing amused about.
If you are so well informed why not share the specifics of your vast knowledge on American history.
Or is the oxygen at your height a little thin today?
Hello, up there, don't post in code. It makes you look ignorant!
Do you people read the news? I don't have time to write a whole analysis on Latin America but I will give you hints on some recent and not recent events, two names:
Evo Morales Chavez
What do they have in common and what did Morales promise to do with the Foreign Oil Companies. Keep your eyes on the ball, and watch history repeat itself.
Evo Morales first native Bolivian Indian to be president. I think he'll be wonderful for the country. Being a socialist is even better.
Natural gas, well if is the only way to bring monies into the government to update the infastructure and bring the country into the modern age; health, education, technical resources, roads so forth. What president could be better for this period in Bolivia? No one else besides Morales.
What bothers me though is people assumptions that because an oil company is based out the USA it will answer to the White House, or to make a a long stretch, the American people.
Here's the facts. CEOs make decisions based on analysis to increase their company's stock price. CEOs listen only their their board members and key share holders. What you don't understand up there in lahlah land Auto is these board members and key shareholders can be of any nationality. Even Arab!
So what you are basically bitching about is Arab "OPEC" power. Not the White house.
And Chavez....
He won't do anything OPEC doesn't want him to do. He basically puts on a show and retorts that he won't be bossed around by GWB to manipulate his people into thinking that he has their concerns in mind.
What people don't understand is that the Oil companies have dictated foreign and domestic policy in Venezula for sometime now. Extreme poverty and extreme wealth side by side. Remind you a dry pensinsula across the Red Sea by any chance?
Anyone to have any power or money in the country will be Muslim, and have close person friends in the Gulf. Many of their women have intermarried with Oil wealthy elite in the Gulf and Suadi Arabia.
So instead of again pointing fingers at America, why not point them at your cousins instead. Posts: 5744 | From: Minneapolis, Mn USA | Registered: Mar 2004
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You cannot have socialism in a third world country. Bolivia has no tax base and zero industrial and technological capability save cocaine. The have a terribly uneducated population base and thus can attract only limited investment to their country. None of these ten cent dictators amount to a flea on an elephant's butt.
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quote:Originally posted by Horemheb: You cannot have socialism in a third world country. Bolivia has no tax base and zero industrial and technological capability save cocaine. The have a terribly uneducated population base and thus can attract only limited investment to their country. None of these ten cent dictators amount to a flea on an elephant's butt.
Do you know anyone from Bolivia?
I do, and he has said its quite the contrary.
Nice little country, but if they expand and grow too fast they understand it will hurt them more.
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They can't grow...no money save drugs. they need to build schools but this guy won't do it. Even if he did it would take them 30 or 40 years to get going. The population they have now would have to turn over. These dictators talk a good game but always fall short. You have to have some semblance of a middle class to make any progress. I hate to be negative but we have seen this over and over during the past 200 years in latin America. Each new dictator is supposed to be the savior but never is.
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quote:Originally posted by Automatic For The People:
quote:Originally posted by sonomod:
So instead of again pointing fingers at America, why not point them at your cousins instead.
I was and you say I was bitching there too
oh okay Auto ES your pissing pool now?
Why didn't you say so?
You really need to notify your fellow usernames when you are ranting like a sex craved mad man.
Instead implying that you are engaging in a logical discussion!
For someone who reads as much as you do, it's always entertaining to read your posts. It is just about impossible to link one sentence to the next let alone one post to the other.
What were we talking about again?
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Well it looks like Sonomod is making peace (again) where ever she goes...is it just me or does anyone (especially Sonomod) question the reason why she seems to get into arguments everday on this board for the last couple of years??
by the way sono, i am in Egypt, why you think i would want to lie about it is ridiculous and there are some on this board who have contacted me here in Egypt since I've arrived and we love to laugh about you, especially since we have such personal information about you that you are unaware of.....
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quote:Originally posted by Automatic For The People: And now you're getting your ass kicked in Latin America, that's where you next wars are going to be.
ROFL!!!!
Auto, must've been to high in the 1980s to know that we've already been there.
Rumsfeld and Negroponte Amp Up Attacks on Chavez
By EVA GOLINGER
02/03/06 "Counterpunch" -- -- During an appearance today at the National Press Club in Washington, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld compared Venezuelan President Hugo Chلvez to Hitler, declaring, "We've got Chavez in Venezuela with a lot of oil money. He's a person who was elected legally, just as Adolf Hitler was elected legally, and then consolidated power, and now is of course working closely with [Cuban leader] Fidel Castro and Mr. Morales [Bolivian President Evo Morales] and others. It concerns me."
Concurrently, in testimony before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence of the U.S. Congress, John Negroponte, Director of National Intelligence, which oversees the 15 intelligence bodies of the U.S. Government, claimed, "In Venezuela, President Chavez, if he wins reelection later this year, appears ready to use his control of the legislature and other institutions to continue to stifle the opposition, reduce press freedom, and entrench himself through measures that are technically legal, but which nonetheless constrict democracy. We expect Chavez to deepen his relationship with Castro (Venezuela provides roughly two-thirds of that island's oil needs on preferential credit terms). He also is seeking closer economic, military, and diplomatic ties with Iran and North Korea. Chavez has scaled back counter-narcotics cooperation with the US. Increased oil revenues have allowed Chavez to embark on an activist foreign policy in Latin America that includes providing oil at favorable repayment rates to gain allies, using newly created media outlets to generate support for his Bolivarian goals, and meddling in the internal affairs of his neighbors by backing particular candidates for elective office."
Apart from the dangerous misrepresentation of the reality of Venezuelan social and political life and the absurd comparison to Hitler, with whom the U.S. went to world war, these declarations evidence a scary escalation of aggression towards the Venezuelan government and people by the Bush Administration. Rumsfeld and Negroponte represent the two entities in the United States that wage war: Defense and Intelligence. Their positions go beyond the State Department's diplomatic rhetoric that has characterized relations between Venezuela and the United States during the past few years and up the ante to an increasing possibility of war between the two nations. As the U.S. prepares to take actions against Iran in the very near future, publicly declaring a link between Venezuela and Iran, as well as North Korea, provides justification for an inclusion of Venezuela on the list of nations targeted by the Bush Administration for military intervention.
During the past few days, the Venezuelan government has made public concrete evidence of an espionage case that has resulted in the expulsion of a U.S. military attaché, Navy Capitan John Correa, from this South American nation. Capitan Correa had been recruiting Venezuelan naval officials over a period of more than twelve months, with the aim of obtaining inside information of military and political strategies of the Venezuelan government and pressuring officials to turn against President Hugo Chلvez. Although the U.S. Embassy in Caracas and its Ambassador, William Brownfield, have denied knowledge of any wrongdoing on the part of U.S. diplomatic officials, evidence of illegal penetration of Venezuelan armed forces by U.S. military attachés has been provided to this author.
An excerpt of testimony from a Venezuelan soldier recruited by the U.S. Embassy and working as a "double-agent" for the Venezuelan government, to be published in entirety in my next book, the follow-up to The Chلvez Code: Cracking U.S. Intervention in Venezuela, follows:
"I am an enlisted soldier pertaining to the action command group. I am testifying about the activities of officials from the United States Embassy [in Caracas]. They seek information and analysis about certain activities of members of our Armed Forces and have contacts with officials that work with the Minister of Defense and they provide them with activities about our Armed Forces. My job is to try and find certain information and to monitor different political organizations, such as the Tupamaros, Bolivarian Circles, the people who work with Lina Ron, as well as information about the acquisition of arms in the Armed Forces. I note herein that I am working as an infiltrator in these groups, an undercover agent, I do not share the anti-American views of these groups, I am just trying to obtain the best information possible for my superiors, for the defense of our nation."
"What do they give you in return?"
"Money, political contacts and the possibility of work"
"What is the best they have given you up until now?"
"A ten-year visa to enter the United States, whenever I want, and according to them, in the future I can attend a course in their intelligence agency in the United States and once I prove my loyalty to them and they see I truly have guts, I can possibly do an intelligence course with the CIA, that's what the military attaché at the Embassy, [name removed], told me himself."
Today's statements by Rumsfeld and Negroponte merely confirm the diehard intentions of the U.S. government to continue its efforts to remove President Chلvez from power and impede the development of the Bolivarian Revolution. Over the past few years, the Bush Administration has funneled millions upon millions of dollars into building up an opposition movement to the Chلvez administration in Venezuela, utilizing U.S. tax payer dollars filtered through the National Endowment for Democracy and the U.S. Agency for International Development, and has backed a failed coup d'état against President Chلvez and oil industry sabotage that caused billions of dollars in damages to the nation yet failed to oust the government from power. For the year 2006, the U.S. Congress has allocated more than $9 million dollars to opposition groups in Venezuela (again, U.S. taxpayer dollars) and has launched a psychological operations campaign coordinated from the Pentagon's Special Operations Command in Tampa, Florida. In a document published by the U.S. Army in October 2005 entitled "Doctrine for Asymmetric War Against Venezuela," President Chلvez and the Bolivarian Revolution were labeled as the "largest threat since the Soviet Union and communism."
Clearly, the Bush Administration has decided Venezuela and President Chلvez represent a "severe threat" to U.S. domination in the region and U.S. control over energy resources in the hemisphere. Venezuela may very well be next on the list for a "preemptory war" in the style of Iraq. Citizens of the United States need to be aware of these dangerous steps taken by their government against a nation exercising its democratic and sovereign right to decide the type of socio-political system it desires. Venezuela's democracy, participatory in nature, is supported by more than 70% of its populace. Recent polls place President Chلvez's popularity at 77%.
Citizens from around the world had the opportunity to witness Venezuela's thriving democratic revolution firsthand during the VI World Social Forum that just ended in Caracas. Hundreds of thousands of diverse voices from around the world, along with millions of Venezuelans, can attest to the fact that no dictatorship or threat to democracy exists in Venezuela. The only threat Venezuela presents to the United States is that of a good example.
Eva Golinger is a Venezuelan-American attorney and author of The Chلvez Code: Cracking U.S. Intervention in Venezuela, available in English and Spanish through her website, www.venezuelafoia.info/codigo.html.Posts: 637 | Registered: Apr 2005
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