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It seems to me the users of her services were somehow liable to prosecution the same as someone receiving stolen property, or purchasing drugs from a dealer. Did her clients get off light because of their positions of power?
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i don't even need to read the article to say YES...they got off light b/c of their positions of power...isn't it usually the way?
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Yes, unfortunately it is. In the article, it stated she could have been sentenced as high as 55 years in prison for being a go-between. Would likely served 71 months. Seems excessive since her clients weren't even tried for a crime. US laws are a joke and in a shambles.
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i actually skimmed the article and read the other article to the left titled, "did Vittle get hustled?"
PUHLEASE! yeah, he commited a sin alright...AND A CRIME! if this were my brother, hell, he'd be in prison for sure! but not some high and mighty Washington degenerate or Hollywood player for that matter
but isn't it true around the world? money buys a lot of things, including freedom. but never happiness.
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It pretty much admitted to using the service as well as many others. They weren't actually caught in the act, but neither was she. Something seems severely unbalanced about this picture of justice. To bad she had to take her life to balance the equation.
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I do not agree. Anyone who is breaking the law, can get sentenced to prison. It is not about fairness, it is about the law... When majority of people thinks the law is wrong in that, they can get it changed by democratic rules.
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Do you agree the clients that used her services (used prostitutes) were also as guilty as the madam of breaking the law and committing a crime?
If they (users) broke the law, did not get arrested or go to court, and even got to keep their high paying jobs, isn't that making a travesty of the law?
Had she been a middle person for a high priced stolen Art ring and had names of people she sold the stolen Art to, and they knew it was stolen (as they knew soliciation of protitutes is illegal) yet still purchased it (receiving stolen property) and happened to be politicians/corporate CEO's, would that have been any different?
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quote:Originally posted by ?????: I do not agree. Anyone who is breaking the law, can get sentenced to prison.
ummm, what is it that you don't agree to then?
meninarmer and myself are saying that the "customers" should be prosecuted, because they did, in fact, break the law. (menimarmer: please correct me if i'm wrong)... but they weren't prosecuted. soliciting prostitution is against the law in the US (well, excpet maybe in Sin City ) therefore those Washington players should have been arrested just as the madam was.
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Typical US Justice system BS, ignoring the problem and attacking the symptom.
It just seems a shame and waste of time prosecuting this lady and she hanging herself when her customers have not been prosecuted and their lives go on as if nothing much happened.
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walking, In some sort of utopian polyana world it is true that the customers should be arrested. Lets be realistic though, these are mostly powerful men and powerful men are not going to jail for something like that. That is a fact that has been true in ALL societies since the beginning of time and will NEVER change.
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yes, we know, they are powerful men and they will not go to jail for something like that... that is the point!!! i was trying to explain to ????? because he/she obviously didn't understand what we were saying.
sheesh, man, for once can you either just agree with someone or shut up??? why do you constantly feel the need to belittle people and their opinions and try to make them look wrong???
and another thing...if everyone keeps your attitude that things just aren't going to change...they never will.
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Things never will change walking, you know that. Lighten up, I said I agreed with you.
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I agree. Living in blind acceptance disregarding the balance of justice is not only foolish, but unpatriotic.
One day it may be you, or your mother/father, or children. I can't imagine how her mother felt after finding her body.
The article states she had from 10-15,000 names in her book. That's a lot of folks.
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52 year old woman hangs herself in a shed. Heraldo's spooky Jerry Springerish gossip video does a great job of making all this talk of silence via death cool. But why does his subheading for the story say "Conspiracy Theorists" suspect murder? Are the two women in the video below he interviews joining the ranks of the rest of us Conspiracy Theorists? Why doesn't the title read that prosecutors or police suspect murder? Well why not? Should we not suspect any possibility until we find what the evidence points to? Didn't Palfrey tell Alex Jones she wouldn't commit suicide and she fully expected to turn up dead of attempted suicide? Oh that doesn't matter! People say things like that all the time! Well how did she climb up that high? Why did she leave "at least" two suicide notes? Is that common? Isn't one usually enough? Perhaps she was so crazy she planned on killing herself twice in two different places?
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I read about her death few days ago and it was said that numerous handwritten notes were found next to her when she was discovered hanging herself to death in the shed next to her mom's trailer.
Did you know that "DC Madam" graduated from Rollins College with a degree in criminal justice, and attended Thomas Jefferson School of Law, but did not graduate.[3] Working as a paralegal in San Diego, California..."
Palfrey biographer Dan Moldea claimed that in a conversation last year, Palfrey said, "I am not going back to prison. I will commit suicide first."[13] He said her previous prison experience had traumatized her and she felt she couldn't do it again.[1][10]
quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: Did you read the article?
Do you agree the clients that used her services (used prostitutes) were also as guilty as the madam of breaking the law and committing a crime?
If they (users) broke the law, did not get arrested or go to court, and even got to keep their high paying jobs, isn't that making a travesty of the law?
Had she been a middle person for a high priced stolen Art ring and had names of people she sold the stolen Art to, and they knew it was stolen (as they knew soliciation of protitutes is illegal) yet still purchased it (receiving stolen property) and happened to be politicians/corporate CEO's, would that have been any different?
When it's against the law to visit prostitutes, the customers also have to be sentenced by court, of course. To be clear, I'll add my personal opinion in this: prostitution is as old as the road to Rome, it does exist and has existed in all societies. When there is no force from the outside, who are men and women forcing to work in prostitution, int's their free choice to make money by that. So, IMO it cannot be illegal.
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????: prostitution is as old as the road to Rome
While I agree with the essence of your statement, Rome is but an infant compared to the ancient commerce of, pleasure for sale and those that profit from it.
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In suicide notes, 'DC Madam' vowed death before prison
Mon May 5, 7:00 PM ET
MIAMI (AFP) - "DC Madam" Deborah Jeane Palfrey lamented the "modern-day lynching" she suffered when convicted of running a high-end prostitution ring, and said she would rather die than go to jail, according to suicide notes released Monday by police.
"I want you to know how very much I love and appreciate you," Palfrey began her anguished and apologetic farewell to her mother, who found Palfrey's body May 1 hanging by a nylon rope in a shed of the elderly woman's mobile home in Tarpon Springs, Florida.
Palfrey, 52, was convicted last month on federal racketeering charges for running a prostitution ring for the rich, famous and powerful, including members of Congress and other Washington power-brokers.
She was awaiting sentencing in July, and faced a reported maximum of 55 years in prison although she was expected to receive a substantially lighter sentence.
"I can't sufficiently express to you how badly I feel for this burden I am leaving you with here," she said in the handwritten note.
"However, I cannot live the next six to eight years behind bars for what both you and I have come to regard as this 'modern-day lynching' only to come out of prison in my late 50s a broken, penniless and very much alone woman."
In a separate note to her sister "Bobbie," she wrote: "You must comprehend there was no way out, i.e. 'exit strategy' for me, other than the one I have chosen here."
A third hand-written note said merely "Do Not Revive. Do Not Feed Under Any Circumstance."
All three notes were dated April 25, six days before her death, which the Pinellas County Medical Examiners and Tarpon Springs police ruled a suicide.
A final post-autopsy report is due next week, and toxicology reports are pending, police captain Jeffrey Young said in a statement.
Young said the mother and sister confirmed the notes were written by Palfrey.
Palfrey's agency -- Pamela Martin and Associates -- which she insists was a legal escort service, is said to have catered to a broad cross-section of private and public elite, including NASA officials, several US military brass, and World Bank and International Monetary Fund executives.
Her arrest last year had Washington on tenterhooks, amid rumors and speculation about which movers and shakers might be on her powerful client list.
In 2007, conservative Louisiana Senator David Vitter apologized after being exposed as a former customer, and the head of the US Agency for International Development (USAID), Randall Tobias, stepped down after being identified as a patron.
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