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I'm sorry but I can't help but agree with him.
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Unforgiveable might be a little strong. First, RFK was not going to get the democratic nomination in 1968 even if he had lived. Humphrey had a bigger lead on him then than Obama now has on Mrs. Clinton this year. That said, making villains out of the Clinton's because they dare to oppose Senator Obama is bizarre but is typical of the far left. LBJ took Jack kennedy all the way to the convention in 1960 because it's not over until its over.
The Dems need to take a look at their nomination process. The object is to nominate the candidate with the best chance to win in November. Almost every head to head poll shows that they have not done that.
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Oh gosh stop picking on Clinton!! Everyone knows she's done. Be happy for your idol Obama, he surely will move mountains once he's elected. Posts: 30135 | From: The owner of this website killed ES....... | Registered: Feb 2004
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^No Barack Obama won't be moving any Mountains, but Obama will do a better job then McCain, Clinton or Bush if elected.
We are aware that Barack represents the financial interest of America Hilary should just quit before she ruin what's left of her career Posts: 567 | From: USA | Registered: Nov 2005
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We talk back again in let's say 24 months or even better 48 months when you still moan about the economy and that you guys are still in Iraq... Posts: 30135 | From: The owner of this website killed ES....... | Registered: Feb 2004
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Obama will Manage the Country if elected a lot better then Hilary did her Campaign. Posts: 567 | From: USA | Registered: Nov 2005
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We will not have to worry about it Tiger. When you get drubbed by white blue collar Dems 80-20 in must win democratic states the future is pretty bleak. Bill Clinton said it best, "this is a fairytale." In Kentucky Hillary won 65% of the vote. Of those 50% said they planned to vote for McCain.
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You mean the Unemployed white blue collar Dems
If McCain is elected the unemploment numbers goes up you'll see just wait and Kiss Roe v. Wade goodbye. Posts: 567 | From: USA | Registered: Nov 2005
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The United Mine Workers of America endorsed Barack Obama's White House bid Wednesday.
"We are extremely proud to make this endorsement today," UMWA International President Cecil Roberts said. "Sen. Obama shares the values of UMWA members and our families. He understands and will fight for the needs our members have today and the hopes our members have for a secure future for themselves and their families."
Roberts said the union considered both Sens. Obama and John McCain before making the decision, but found that Obama "will be on our side while Sen. McCain will not," citing proposals supported by the presumptive Republican nominee that he claimed would cut jobs in coal country, particularly in the Eastern area. .
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The union may endorse him, their members will not vote for him in November. McCain will carry those coal states in a landslide.
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LOL, obviously you have NEVER been in a union. Union members will vote the way union officers agree to.
Your problems is you put far too much faith (hope) in white racism. Even the most ardent racist will vote to save his job and income from outsourcing and NAFTA, and like Bush, these are the things McCain represents.
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quote:Originally posted by The Hammer: We will not have to worry about it Tiger. When you get drubbed by white blue collar Dems 80-20 in must win democratic states the future is pretty bleak. Bill Clinton said it best, "this is a fairytale." In Kentucky Hillary won 65% of the vote. Of those 50% said they planned to vote for McCain.
Law of Logical Argument; Any thing is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
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Well smuckers, its not just me. Even democrat consultants know they have a problem. Law of Logical Argument #2, ignore all of the data, do not read or understand the mechannics of American elections and you can believe anything.
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American elections follow hardly any logical pattern. The stats for who is elected is in no way historically trackable as it changes according to the current political climate, the runners, the economy, the price of oil, what the media is doing and the psyche of the people during that election year. I really don't know what you're talking about. Posts: 13440 | Registered: Feb 2006
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What I am talking about is understanding american politics. Have you been reading what democratic operatives are saying about this election? Have you been studying the election returns and the exit polls to get a factual idea of what these voters are thinking? You do not lose a key componet of the democrat party electorate 75-25, many of what say outright they WILL NOT support you in November and not have a problem.
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quote:Originally posted by Masonic Rebel: You mean the Unemployed white blue collar Dems
If McCain is elected the unemploment numbers goes up you'll see just wait and Kiss Roe v. Wade goodbye.
Republican leaders care nothing about Roe v. Wade. It is just rhetoric to win elections. If they did they would of already done something. At one point they controlled all even the supreme court and they did nothing.
Hammer , The ONLY way McCain can win is if they cheat. Which is highly likely.
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There is a lot truth to what Gold is saying here. Usually when an issue is as evenly divided as abortion is nothing is done.
Actual abortions are difficult to get in many states. Many doctors refuse or do not want to do them and clinics are not readily avilable. this court will act on issues like late term abortion and parental notification but they'll not overturn Rove v Wade, as flawed a decision as it might be.
Gold, you know full well Senator Obama has serious electoral college problems.
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Hammer, It's the uneducated whites that are not voting for Obama. Dems. are voting in the primaries in record numbers. Republicans are staying home. Blue collar workers may not be able to vote for a black man but they wont vote for a Republican either.
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Thats totally incorrect. You are contradicting every democratic expert in the business. Uneducated whites make up the vast majority of the white voters Gold. Look at the actual returns in Ohio, Pa, NC, Kentucky and West Va. You cannot lose 25% of your party and have a chance to win. Bob Beckel, a democrat consultant, pointed out the other day that McCain would win 6 or 7 states if not a single republican voted in the fall.
GOP strategists mull McCain ‘blowout’ By DAVID PAUL KUHN | 5/23/08 5:29 PM EST Text Size:
Though they expect he would finish far closer to Obama in the popular vote, the thinking is that McCain could win by as many 50 electoral votes. Photo: AP
It sounds crazy at first. Amid dire reports about the toxic political environment for Republican candidates and the challenges facing John McCain, many top GOP strategists believe he can defeat Barack Obama — and by a margin exceeding President Bush’s Electoral College victory in 2004.
At first blush, McCain’s recent rough patch and the considerable financial disadvantage confronting him make such predictions seem absurd. Indeed, as Republicans experience their worst days since Watergate, those same GOP strategists are reticent to publicly tout the prospect of a sizable McCain victory for fear of looking foolish.
But the contours of the electoral map, combined with McCain’s unique strengths and the nature of Obama’s possible vulnerabilities, have led to a cautious and muted optimism that McCain could actually surpass Bush’s 35-electoral-vote victory in 2004. Though they expect he would finish far closer to Obama in the popular vote, the thinking is that he could win by as many 50 electoral votes.
By post-war election standards, that margin is unusually small. Yet it’s considerably larger than either Bush’s 2004 victory or his five-electoral-vote win in 2000.
“A win by 40 or 50 electoral votes would be an astonishing upset, just a watershed event with all the issues that were stacked against him from the very beginning,” said David Woodard, a Republican pollster and Clemson University political science professor. “But it could happen. I know this seems like wishful thinking by Republicans. I’m thinking that Republicans could win by 40 electoral votes. But I dare not say it,” he added. “Certainly what is possible could come to pass.”
A top strategist with the Republican National Committee, who asked that his name be withheld to speak candidly, explained that by his own examination, “we’re actually sitting pretty well in most states.”
See Also Obama asks Jewish voters for chance McCain docs: Cancer recurrence unlikely Playbook Special: Veepstakes tip sheet “There are a lot of scenarios that look good for McCain, and I almost would go so far to say that there are a lot more scenarios [than for Obama],” the strategist added. “I don’t think anybody over here wants to let themselves get too excited about it. It is an eternity between now and November. But McCain looks a lot stronger than our prospects as a party.”
It is virtually impossible to find an established GOP strategist who believes McCain will win in a landslide. But in light of the circumstances, more than a few Republicans are pleasantly surprised to find that McCain is at all situated to defeat Obama.
“The broader environment clearly favors the Democrat,” said Whit Ayers, another veteran GOP pollster. But Ayers argued that “a state-by-state analysis actually makes McCain a narrow favorite to win the Electoral College majority.”
“That would certainly run against the grain of history, if he pulled that off,” Ayers added. “But it’s also clearly plausible and a manageable outcome partly because of John McCain’s strength among independents and partly because of Obama’s weakness in culture, ideology and association.”
Some Republican strategists can envision a scenario in which Obama wins the popular vote but loses in the Electoral College — he might galvanize Southern black turnout, for example, but still fail to switch a state in the region.
Among the 10 strategists interviewed by Politico for this story, there was near-uniform belief that had any other Republican been nominated, the party’s prospects in November would be nil.
“No disrespect to the other candidates,” said GOP pollster Glen Bolger, “but if anyone else had been nominated we’d be toast.”
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