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An incident on an airliner arriving in the US city of Detroit from Amsterdam in the Netherlands was a failed bomb attack, senior US officials say.
Sources say a man burnt his leg trying to ignite explosives on the jet, which had 278 passengers and 11 crew aboard, but nobody else was seriously hurt.
In custody, the Nigerian suspect said he had been acting on behalf of al-Qaeda, a police source said.
President Barack Obama has ordered increased security for air travel.
The White House spokesman Bill Burton said the president was monitoring the situation.
Northwest Airlines Flight 253 had been about 20 minutes away from landing at Detroit Metropolitan Airport on Friday afternoon when the incident occurred.
Reports quote officials as saying the suspect seems to have tried to ignite some kind of incendiary device.
Melinda Dennis, a passenger, said the man had been severely burned on one leg, and a fire extinguisher and water were used to put out the fire.
Another passenger, Syed Jafri, said he had been seated three rows behind the suspect and had seen a glow and noticed a smoke smell.
Then, he said, "a young man behind me jumped on him".
"Next thing you know, there was a lot of panic," Mr Jafri added.
As the suspect was being tackled, he was reportedly shouting and a passenger said she had heard the word "Afghanistan".
'Taped to his leg'
Another unnamed passenger heard a "little pop", then saw "a bit of a smoke and then some flames".
After "yelling and screaming", the passenger added, "they took him out and it was really quick".
The suspect later told the US authorities he had had explosive powder taped to his leg and used a syringe of chemicals to mix with the powder that was to cause explosion, the ABC television network reports.
A US intelligence official quoted by AP said an explosive device had been used consisting of a "mix of powder and liquid".
Peter King, who sits on the US House of Representatives Homeland Security Committee, said the suspect had third-degree burns.
The New York Republican named the detainee as Abdul Mudallad, 23, a Nigerian national whose name, he said, was in a database indicating "a significant terrorist connection" although it did not appear on a "no-fly" list.
Mr Mutallab, whose name was given elsewhere as Abdul Farouk Abdulmutallab, reportedly told investigators he had links to al-Qaeda and had received the explosives in Yemen.
According to some US and Dutch media reports, he is a student at University College London.
Mr King also said investigators were looking into whether the incident was part of a larger plot and a "worldwide alert" had been raised.
The Department of Homeland Security said "additional screening measures" had been put into effect since the incident.
At least one passenger was taken to the University of Michigan Medical Center in Ann Arbor.
Susan Elliott, a spokeswoman for Delta, Northwest's parent company, said the airline was co-operating with the investigation.
Scary!! And you thought all passengers are properly screened before entering any aircraft!! Posts: 30135 | From: The owner of this website killed ES....... | Registered: Feb 2004
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More news; the suspect, 23 yr old Nigerian Abdul Farouk Umar Abdulmutallab, is the son of a wealthy family, his father just has retired as director from Nigeria's oldest bank, PLC. He was also minister. The 70 yr old businessman informed the authorities about his sons extremist activities. Already as a high school student he preached about Islam to other students, and when he went to University in London he became more and more extremistic. Later he went to Egypt and Dubai, where he informed his family that he didn't want to have anything to do with them anymore. 6 Months ago the father informed the American embassy, the autorities and the intellegence, so he assuemd that his son should have been placed on a black list, which he wasn't. he was free to travel and he got a visa for the US. The son's mother or stepmother is from Yemen,and it seems that he has bought the explosives there.
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My 54 year old friend who has a sterling record..no police record, owns his own business, owns two houses, has an office, money in the bank, two kids in college .. one studying medicine and the other studying architectural engineering but he can't get a visa to USA.
Go figure...just how easy is it for some people to get in and some never. Could it be that money talks????
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another crazy muslim in the skies. who would've guessed? the fort hood shooter (another crazy muslim) sent a letter to his mosque/imam about this incident a year before hand...what is their position? where do they get these ideas...and from whom? from the imams and the koran...NO DOUBT!
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quote:Originally posted by SherryBlueBerry: My 54 year old friend who has a sterling record..no police record, owns his own business, owns two houses, has an office, money in the bank, two kids in college .. one studying medicine and the other studying architectural engineering but he can't get a visa to USA.
Go figure...just how easy is it for some people to get in and some never. Could it be that money talks????
Nope.
Mostly due to how cooperative the foreign office is in certain nations with the USA.
Then there's the quotas the US State Department has for visa types from different nations.
Then there's the question of who would sponsor his visa and whether that person has the privilege to do so.
Sometimes when older people leave their home nation for a USA on a tourist visa and overstay their visas; the home nation confiscates their property, bank accounts and investments.
Loads of things happen when older people make a trip to the USA, if they refuse to leave then they become dependant on US social services.
US visas tourist or otherwise are given to youngsters first and foremost.
But what I can't understand is why the FBI didn't take this guy's father warning seriously.
I will say this, I am damn proud of the old man!
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quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Krishna you are dull like a used tool.
The Illuminati is ruling your minds with illusions...don't get the muslims involved with this....
Hm so speaking your mind makes you dull now??!! Perhaps you are too high on something to face reality.
"Don't get the Muslims involved"
Helloooooo - earth to IronLion!! This guy is affiliated with al-Qaeda so yes Muslims are involved.... da*n right they are. These bastards make life for all the good Muslims out there now even more miserable - and on top of it the normal folks like me have to suffer from it too. More time for screenings now at airports again!!!
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quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Krishna you are dull like a used tool.
The Illuminati is ruling your minds with illusions...don't get the muslims involved with this....
Hm so speaking your mind makes you dull now??!! Perhaps you are too high on something to face reality.
"Don't get the Muslims involved"
Helloooooo - earth to IronLion!! This guy is affiliated with al-Qaeda so yes Muslims are involved.... da*n right they are. These bastards make life for all the good Muslims out there now even more miserable - and on top of it the normal folks like me have to suffer from it too. More time for screenings now at airports again!!!
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I love to see you so hot and sexy. Turns me on..hmmm
Now look, who let this guy on the plane?
Who gave him pass to get his firecrackers onto the plane?
Why didn't he just blow up the darn plane when he went to the washroom...why do it in a space where he will be noticed and stopped?
Why didn't the plane blow up when the firecracker went pop as the passengers reported?
Why oh why was this grrrrreeeat super explosive just a chinese made firecracker????
Are you such a blond???
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quote:Originally posted by krishna: why so defensive of al queda??
Very good question indeed.
Some people here are indeed in so much denial that they can't accept the truth.
They make up their very own versions of this incident and not before long they will start to spread all kind of moronic conspiracy theories. Posts: 30135 | From: The owner of this website killed ES....... | Registered: Feb 2004
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Nice try. Even American authorities don't accept the al queda connection story. Are they moronic conspiracy theorists? Fact is, there is no link established as yet, even though some would want to for obvious reasons.
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quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: Even American authorities don't accept the al queda connection story.
Oh I guess it depends what your sources are. I am sure you are stucked to Al-Jazeera right now, aren't you??
I am just glad that Al-Qaeda recruited such a dumbo and that he wasn't able to complete the mission. This would have been indeed disastrous.
But the incident does question heavily overall security in air travel.
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The latest is the allegation that Abdulmutallab was able to get on the flight even though he had NO PASSPORT! (I can’t even go to Canada for a few hours, without a passport.)...........
If it’s true–and it sure sounds like it–that this guy, Abdul Mutallab, a Muslim foreigner, was allowed to board the plane without a passport,
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It was not a bomb...it was an incendiary device..
Amateur job or a salesman for the FBI and airport security equipment manufacturers...
Melodramatic but childish attempt to draw attention.
Somebody tell me why the man would have gone into the washroom where he could have quietly done the job but then failed to do so; then he decided to come out and mix his chemicals right under the nose of all the other passengers before their own very unbelieveing eyes... passengers.
CIA movie productions! Live and Direct over the cable news networks...lol
They gonna budget more money for CIA al Qaeda B.S. They gonna buget more billions for new airport security equipments...
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: The latest is the allegation that Abdulmutallab was able to get on the flight even though he had NO PASSPORT! (I can’t even go to Canada for a few hours, without a passport.)...........
If it’s true–and it sure sounds like it–that this guy, Abdul Mutallab, a Muslim foreigner, was allowed to board the plane without a passport,
You might just wanna pick up a "Fine Gardening" magazine and you get more useful information!!
Here are the correct details:
NCAA Gives Travel Details of Terror Suspect By Chinedu Eze, 12.27.2009
The Nigeria Civil Avia-tion Authority (NCAA) has confirmed that Abdulfarouk Umar Abdulmuttallab, the passenger who is a suspect in the attempt to bomb North-west-Delta Airlines flight 253 with 278 passengers and 11-member crew from Amsterdam to Detroit, Michigan, is a Nigerian who boarded KLM flight out of Lagos on December 24, 2009 en-route Detroit, Michigan, USA via Amsterdam.
According to the Director-General of NCAA, Dr Harold Demuren, the ticket information of Abdulmutallab showed that the e-ticket with which he traveled was purchased from KLM airport office in Accra, Ghana on December 16, 2009 and with USD 2, 831 the ticket was paid for in cash. Demuren said the original routing of the trip was Lagos-Amsterdam-Detroit-Amsterdam-Accra.
?However, the routing was later changed to Lagos-Amsterdam-Detroit-Amsterdam-Lagos,? the Director-General said. He said the return journey of Abdulmutallab was booked for January 8, 2010 out of Detroit, to arrive Lagos January 9, 2010.
?No contact address or telephone contact was given by the purchaser of the ticket at the time of purchase. KLM office in Lagos confirmed that the original ticket bought in Accra was cancelled and re-issued on the same 16th December, 2009,? he said.
Demuren also said passenger information document confirmed that the passenger personally checked-in at 2035 (8.35 pm) local time and this was also corroborated by the close-circuit television (CCTV) footage.
?The passenger did not check in any luggage but was spotted with a shoulder bag.
The passenger went through a normal checking process. His passport was scanned, his US Visa was scanned and the APIS (Advanced Passenger Information System) returned with no objection. Passenger was allotted seat number 20B on the Lagos-Amsterdam leg and seat 19A on the Amsterdam-Detroit leg,? the Director-General explained. The Murtala Muhammed Airport security also has details of Abdulmutallab?s passport and visa information.
"Demuren said the bombing suspect possessed a Nigerian Machine Readable Passport (MRP) issued on September 15, 2005 to expire on September 14, 2010 and the passport number is A3921640.
The NCAA Director-General said the suspect presented himself for immigration clearance with his Nigerian passport and the passport was scanned into Passenger Registration System, ?confirming that passenger went through normal standard security screening procedure.? ?Thereafter, he passed through aviation security system comprising of walk through metal detector and the baggage X-ray screening machine. Passenger proceeded to the boarding gate where he went through secondary screening as confirmed by KLM airline security officials.
At the close of the departure, the passenger was confirmed on board, his name was on the post departure manifest under serial number 2,? Demuren also said. He said the Nigerian authorities are willing and prepared to assist in any investigation that would unravel the circumstances surrounding this incident.
?The Honourable Minister of Aviation would like to assure all Nigerians, the travelling public and the international community that the Nigeria aviation is safe and secure, having recently passed the ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organisation) Security Audit as well as the America Transportation Security Administration (TSA) audit,? the Director-General said.
When he was in Nigeria he had a passport. By the time he got to Amstardam his passport was no more.
Some body helped him on that flight.
Somebody must have asked the United States authority to issue a visa to a known terror risk turned in by his own Daddy...
Somebody deactivated the U.S. No-fly list data-base....
Did you know that the great Tarzan boy Jasper Shuringa who leapt over ten rows of seat to get at this Nigerian Mujahadin, is a movie producer? Hear me again, movie producer....
CIA movie productions...live on Cable News Networks.
Lion!
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When he was in Nigeria he had a passport. By the time he got to Amstardam his passport was no more.
Some body helped him on that flight.
Somebody must have asked the United States authority to issue a visa to a known terror risk turned in by his own Daddy...
Somebody deactivated the U.S. No-fly list data-base....
Did you know that the great Tarzan boy Jasper Shuringa who leapt over ten rows of seat to get at this Nigerian Mujahadin, is a movie producer? Hear me again, movie producer....
CIA movie productions...live on Cable News Networks.
Lion!
Please watch your imagination...... you sound completely overboard!! And please don't repeat what Debbie Schlussel says; I hope this is not your only source of information. Have a good night...
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quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: Poor you. That in an of itself is no proof. No link has been yet established.
as soon as al-quada is brought up in a convo the brains shut down.
the guy claimed he was a al-quada operative, they all claim that.
What I wonder is why the Netherlands don't have the necessary scanning equipment to detect explosive materials.
Instead they put a tall angry inbred maniac in charge of interrogations "Security Screenings" which are done in front of the entire passenger load meant to incite panic and racist tendancies.
The fricking dutch won't put unbiased screening equipment in place then divert the responsibility on the TSA (USA air travel security) and rely on some nasty racist inbred bastard to use his powers of hatred to root out terror suspects instead.
The plane went directly from the Netherlands to Detriot, the Dutch should have they proper equipment to do a proper screening.
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Is this true that now passengers on planes flying to the US have to remain seated for the last hour of the flight, are not able to have any personal items or even blankets on their laps, are not allowed to stand in aisles or go to the toilet unless under supervision by flight crew personnel??
Saw that on CNN last night.
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quote:Originally posted by Tigerlily: Is this true that now passengers on planes flying to the US have to remain seated for the last hour of the flight, are not able to have any personal items or even blankets on their laps, are not allowed to stand in aisles or go to the toilet unless under supervision by flight crew personnel??
Saw that on CNN last night.
Wonderful.....
Now you are beginning to understand the true nature of tyranny. What has Al Qeada to do with no getting up for one hour in the plane before landing?
Next u will have to go through full body image search...
Next you will strip to be searched before flying.
After that you will fly only naked [I would luv to sit beside u though]
The corporations will make money; you will chew grief and embarrasment.
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quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: Poor you. That in an of itself is no proof. No link has been yet established.
as soon as al-quada is brought up in a convo the brains shut down.
the guy claimed he was a al-quada operative, they all claim that.
What I wonder is why the Netherlands don't have the necessary scanning equipment to detect explosive materials.
Instead they put a tall angry inbred maniac in charge of interrogations "Security Screenings" which are done in front of the entire passenger load meant to incite panic and racist tendancies.
The fricking dutch won't put unbiased screening equipment in place then divert the responsibility on the TSA (USA air travel security) and rely on some nasty racist inbred bastard to use his powers of hatred to root out terror suspects instead.
The plane went directly from the Netherlands to Detriot, the Dutch should have they proper equipment to do a proper screening.
They do have them, but passengers aren't obligated to use that. The EU doesn't allow that, because of privacy-regulations. But, even with a full bodyscan it is possible that the scanner wouldn't 'recognise' powder that has been sewed into underwear at that particular place... It is a bit of a cat and a mouse game. Security is using certain equipments, terrorists are working to find out the escapes...
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quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: Poor you. That in an of itself is no proof. No link has been yet established.
as soon as al-quada is brought up in a convo the brains shut down.
the guy claimed he was a al-quada operative, they all claim that.
What I wonder is why the Netherlands don't have the necessary scanning equipment to detect explosive materials.
Instead they put a tall angry inbred maniac in charge of interrogations "Security Screenings" which are done in front of the entire passenger load meant to incite panic and racist tendancies.
The fricking dutch won't put unbiased screening equipment in place then divert the responsibility on the TSA (USA air travel security) and rely on some nasty racist inbred bastard to use his powers of hatred to root out terror suspects instead.
The plane went directly from the Netherlands to Detriot, the Dutch should have they proper equipment to do a proper screening.
They do have them, but passengers aren't obligated to use that. The EU doesn't allow that, because of privacy-regulations. But, even with a full bodyscan it is possible that the scanner wouldn't 'recognise' powder that has been sewed into underwear at that particular place... It is a bit of a cat and a mouse game. Security is using certain equipments, terrorists are working to find out the escapes...
Actually its not a privacy thing. Its a scanner thing.
Doesn't need to be a full body scan, there are detectors which detect metal by walking through them can also detect certain chemicals.
I am certain the guy was planning on not going through with it, but knowing that once you get off of the flight and go through customs/immigration you must pass through these detectors.
The Jamiacan Reid dude didn't have the chemicals around his gonads, he had them in his carry on bag and then transfered the two chemicals to his shoes.
In the USA we don't do a full body scan nor a cavity search with everyone, we have the equipment to do the scans without it.
Way back in 1996 I worked a year at the airport and was trained to do these searches. We had the equipment back in 1996 and I never once did a body search or a body scan.
We did confiscate chemicals off of confused euro engineers who didn't understand US laws. In the end they had the right paperwork but weren't carrying the chemicals in the correct containers. Our scanners detected the chemicals, otherwise we wouldn't know.
Often photographers get their equipment confiscated because they don't follow the correct procedures.
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They are using that metal-detectors. I've read that there are a lot of technical possibilities to trace a person, there seems to exist a kind of machine that is pushing out a certain amount of air in a very fast and short way, and analyses the particles that are teared off the passenger. That's also possible with trained dogs, or monsters taken by q-tips. Even wasps and rats are able to detain explosives, the researchers worked with them in a method to trace nucleair radiation. But, most important are the lists. There are numerous lists about people. In this case the father of the suspect himself did report him several times. The man was refused entrance to GB. He traveled without luggage, on a one way ticket, which he payed by cash. The US authorities knew about this, nevertheless he wasn't placed on that list. How is that possible? Scary is the fact that the man mentioned that there are several suicide terrorists on their way, all from Yemen, and that video-mesage from Al Qaida, saying that a bomb is on its way to the enemies of Allah... I have traveled to the US once, it was just before the US invasion to Iraq. Every woman with a veil was taken for further examination, and I remember I didn't feel well by that. The staff of customs was very unfriendly, it made me feel like they thought I was a criminal. My son, who was still a kid, didn't understand a thing about it. Why do people treat strangers in this way? It's kind of a first acquaintance with a country and it's people, and it wasn't positive. But is there another solution? I think not. The staff of airports is responsable for the safety, and any flight to the US is on heavy surveillance . BUT, it can be worser! You have to try to fly to Amsterdam out of a South American country, that's almost the worse you can imagine. Not because of terrorism but because of drugs...
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Detroit terror attack: al-Qaeda regional group claims responsibility
A regional wing of al-Qaeda, known as al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, has claimed responsibility for the failed Christmas Day attack on a US-bound passenger plane.
Published: 8:04PM GMT 28 Dec 2009
Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab allegedly tried to ignite a device attached to his body as the Northwest Airlines flight from Amsterdam began its final descent in to the American city on Christmas Day.
In a statement posted on Islamist websites, the group said it had provided the Nigerian suspect with a "technically advanced device" but that it had failed to detonate because of a technical fault....
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2 muslim mothers walking down the road when one asks " hows your son mohammed?" the other replies "oh he went to spain and got on a train and it blew up" so the other asks " hows your son omar?" oh he went to the gazza strip and went in a club and it blew up" aww said the other one "the problem these days is that our kids blow up so quickly"
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quote:Originally posted by krishna: 2 muslim mothers walking down the road when one asks " hows your son mohammed?" the other replies "oh he went to spain and got on a train and it blew up" so the other asks " hows your son omar?" oh he went to the gazza strip and went in a club and it blew up" aww said the other one "the problem these days is that our kids blow up so quickly"
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Dutch announce full-body scans for Schiphol airport
The body scanners are to come into use for US flights within three weeksThe Netherlands says it will introduce full-body scans for passengers travelling to the United States in the wake of a plot to bomb a US passenger plane. Some senior German politicians are considering following suit.
quote:Originally posted by Questionmarks: They are using that metal-detectors. I've read that there are a lot of technical possibilities to trace a person, there seems to exist a kind of machine that is pushing out a certain amount of air in a very fast and short way, and analyses the particles that are teared off the passenger. That's also possible with trained dogs, or monsters taken by q-tips. Even wasps and rats are able to detain explosives, the researchers worked with them in a method to trace nucleair radiation. But, most important are the lists. There are numerous lists about people. In this case the father of the suspect himself did report him several times. The man was refused entrance to GB. He traveled without luggage, on a one way ticket, which he payed by cash. The US authorities knew about this, nevertheless he wasn't placed on that list. How is that possible? Scary is the fact that the man mentioned that there are several suicide terrorists on their way, all from Yemen, and that video-mesage from Al Qaida, saying that a bomb is on its way to the enemies of Allah... I have traveled to the US once, it was just before the US invasion to Iraq. Every woman with a veil was taken for further examination, and I remember I didn't feel well by that. The staff of customs was very unfriendly, it made me feel like they thought I was a criminal. My son, who was still a kid, didn't understand a thing about it. Why do people treat strangers in this way? It's kind of a first acquaintance with a country and it's people, and it wasn't positive. But is there another solution? I think not. The staff of airports is responsable for the safety, and any flight to the US is on heavy surveillance . BUT, it can be worser! You have to try to fly to Amsterdam out of a South American country, that's almost the worse you can imagine. Not because of terrorism but because of drugs...
wrong.
I worked at the airport I had confiscated chemicals and solvants before which were detected by scanners. We have the technology, its used in other nations. Netherlands don't want to use non-invasive effective technology because it will allow them to hassle Americans and cause further strained relations.
The Dutch just want to cause havoc and headache for Americans thats just the way it is.
Two of my travel plans have had the layover EU airport changed to Amsterdam without my approval and I was told I had to ask for a refund, then without the refund pay for another flight.
Over the years interpol has attempted to get the Netherlands on board with fighting organized crime of all sorts and the Dutch refuse to cooperate. This is their chance to get even with us for the Dutch not joining the civilized world.
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quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Krishna you are dull like a used tool.
The Illuminati is ruling your minds with illusions...don't get the muslims involved with this....
Hm so speaking your mind makes you dull now??!! Perhaps you are too high on something to face reality.
"Don't get the Muslims involved"
Helloooooo - earth to IronLion!! This guy is affiliated with al-Qaeda so yes Muslims are involved.... da*n right they are. These bastards make life for all the good Muslims out there now even more miserable - and on top of it the normal folks like me have to suffer from it too. More time for screenings now at airports again!!!
Have you ever considered that American and Western imperialism within these regions play a role in these developments? It shouldn't be surprising that there are Muslims who willing to go through extreme lengths for revenge.
The war of terror didn't start during 9/11, it was around before that. I don't think that'd be obvious in the tourist-dependent Delta. It certainly is outside and much of Egypt's ills revolves around Western presence.
"Normal" people benefit out of the imperialist industry. The industrial revolution came about due to imperialism and the "normal" populations benefit greatly. To be honest, I really question the mental health of those who don't question the destabilizing presence of US in the Middle East.
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PS: Al Qaeda's development had immense US input. In fact, the Mujahideen campaign drives had an almost solely American source.
PPS:
There is nothing "ordinary" about top-line executives working in the WTC. People talk about Illuminati, which is an idea predicated on Jewish bankers running the world, and yet, those largely white (often Jewish) male banks working in these complexes cluster towards "ordinary". That has got to make no sense at all.
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quote:Originally posted by Questionmarks: They are using that metal-detectors. I've read that there are a lot of technical possibilities to trace a person, there seems to exist a kind of machine that is pushing out a certain amount of air in a very fast and short way, and analyses the particles that are teared off the passenger. That's also possible with trained dogs, or monsters taken by q-tips. Even wasps and rats are able to detain explosives, the researchers worked with them in a method to trace nucleair radiation. But, most important are the lists. There are numerous lists about people. In this case the father of the suspect himself did report him several times. The man was refused entrance to GB. He traveled without luggage, on a one way ticket, which he payed by cash. The US authorities knew about this, nevertheless he wasn't placed on that list. How is that possible? Scary is the fact that the man mentioned that there are several suicide terrorists on their way, all from Yemen, and that video-mesage from Al Qaida, saying that a bomb is on its way to the enemies of Allah... I have traveled to the US once, it was just before the US invasion to Iraq. Every woman with a veil was taken for further examination, and I remember I didn't feel well by that. The staff of customs was very unfriendly, it made me feel like they thought I was a criminal. My son, who was still a kid, didn't understand a thing about it. Why do people treat strangers in this way? It's kind of a first acquaintance with a country and it's people, and it wasn't positive. But is there another solution? I think not. The staff of airports is responsable for the safety, and any flight to the US is on heavy surveillance . BUT, it can be worser! You have to try to fly to Amsterdam out of a South American country, that's almost the worse you can imagine. Not because of terrorism but because of drugs...
wrong.
I worked at the airport I had confiscated chemicals and solvants before which were detected by scanners. We have the technology, its used in other nations. Netherlands don't want to use non-invasive effective technology because it will allow them to hassle Americans and cause further strained relations.
The Dutch just want to cause havoc and headache for Americans thats just the way it is.
Two of my travel plans have had the layover EU airport changed to Amsterdam without my approval and I was told I had to ask for a refund, then without the refund pay for another flight.
Over the years interpol has attempted to get the Netherlands on board with fighting organized crime of all sorts and the Dutch refuse to cooperate. This is their chance to get even with us for the Dutch not joining the civilized world.
The big United States, who almost have conquered the whole of the Western world in order to create their big American Empire are not able to handle that unimportant tiny little country? It must be our Gaulish blood. Julius Ceasar wasn't able to conquer them because of the superhuman strength from a potion brewed by the local village druide, and we still have our druids!!!
So, you think the Netherlands are happy to send suicide bombers on a plane to the US? Why should they do so? What is there to gain with such an attitude?
I think you think too much in conspiracy theories. Don't see a devil behing each tree, Menintoot, because in most of the cases, there are no.
I don't know what caused your aversion against the Dutch, but we are a simple population. It seems that the Americans have demanded that we have to use that bodyscan-machine for every outgoing flight, no matter which destination it has. Now this is Holland, so the Americans don't have the right to set demands, maybe that was the problem, no idea really. They are blaming each other now. Mistakes have been made, and someone has to get blamed...
But we really don't like to get instructions from Uncle Sam in something that is in our country. We think like: Mind your own business, brother. When someone even has the responsebility to warn the American Embassy and the Intellegence Services, and they are doing nothing with that information, then put the blame on the transit-airport is a bit far fetched....
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Happy New Year, Ayisha! Tomorrow I'm flying, and by Amsterdam Airport. Will you pray for me???? Doesn't matter if it's in Islamic or Christian, he understands both... Posts: 7202 | From: EU | Registered: Nov 2006
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quote:Originally posted by Questionmarks: They are using that metal-detectors. I've read that there are a lot of technical possibilities to trace a person, there seems to exist a kind of machine that is pushing out a certain amount of air in a very fast and short way, and analyses the particles that are teared off the passenger. That's also possible with trained dogs, or monsters taken by q-tips. Even wasps and rats are able to detain explosives, the researchers worked with them in a method to trace nucleair radiation. But, most important are the lists. There are numerous lists about people. In this case the father of the suspect himself did report him several times. The man was refused entrance to GB. He traveled without luggage, on a one way ticket, which he payed by cash. The US authorities knew about this, nevertheless he wasn't placed on that list. How is that possible? Scary is the fact that the man mentioned that there are several suicide terrorists on their way, all from Yemen, and that video-mesage from Al Qaida, saying that a bomb is on its way to the enemies of Allah... I have traveled to the US once, it was just before the US invasion to Iraq. Every woman with a veil was taken for further examination, and I remember I didn't feel well by that. The staff of customs was very unfriendly, it made me feel like they thought I was a criminal. My son, who was still a kid, didn't understand a thing about it. Why do people treat strangers in this way? It's kind of a first acquaintance with a country and it's people, and it wasn't positive. But is there another solution? I think not. The staff of airports is responsable for the safety, and any flight to the US is on heavy surveillance . BUT, it can be worser! You have to try to fly to Amsterdam out of a South American country, that's almost the worse you can imagine. Not because of terrorism but because of drugs...
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I worked at the airport I had confiscated chemicals and solvants before which were detected by scanners. We have the technology, its used in other nations. Netherlands don't want to use non-invasive effective technology because it will allow them to hassle Americans and cause further strained relations.
The Dutch just want to cause havoc and headache for Americans thats just the way it is.
Two of my travel plans have had the layover EU airport changed to Amsterdam without my approval and I was told I had to ask for a refund, then without the refund pay for another flight.
Over the years interpol has attempted to get the Netherlands on board with fighting organized crime of all sorts and the Dutch refuse to cooperate. This is their chance to get even with us for the Dutch not joining the civilized world.
The big United States, who almost have conquered the whole of the Western world in order to create their big American Empire are not able to handle that unimportant tiny little country? It must be our Gaulish blood. Julius Ceasar wasn't able to conquer them because of the superhuman strength from a potion brewed by the local village druide, and we still have our druids!!!
So, you think the Netherlands are happy to send suicide bombers on a plane to the US? Why should they do so? What is there to gain with such an attitude?
I think you think too much in conspiracy theories. Don't see a devil behing each tree, Menintoot, because in most of the cases, there are no.
I don't know what caused your aversion against the Dutch, but we are a simple population. It seems that the Americans have demanded that we have to use that bodyscan-machine for every outgoing flight, no matter which destination it has. Now this is Holland, so the Americans don't have the right to set demands, maybe that was the problem, no idea really. They are blaming each other now. Mistakes have been made, and someone has to get blamed...
But we really don't like to get instructions from Uncle Sam in something that is in our country. We think like: Mind your own business, brother. When someone even has the responsebility to warn the American Embassy and the Intellegence Services, and they are doing nothing with that information, then put the blame on the transit-airport is a bit far fetched....
You know America would not have become the big nation it is unless the Dutch sold African slaves to a select group of white folk in the south who subsequently left after the Africans were freed from slavery.
So primarily the Dutch are to blame for America becoming the big powerful brother it is today.
Also the Netherlands would never have stay a sovern nation if it wasn't for the monies from the African slave trade which built the Dutch nation.
When a nation like Somali that had no forewarning of a militant wanting to do terroristic activities can stop a dude from deploying the same chemical device the Dutch failed to do for the flight landing in Detriot then it begs the suggestion that the Dutch allowed this to happen in order to harrass Americans just trying to fly home.
The Somali intelligence had no forewarning but they were able to detect, detain and divert a terrorist attack.
Why can't the Dutch do the same? Its not a wahhabi nation which is in civil war is it?
and as I stated before US airport screening technology has the ability to detect these types of chemicals without a full body scan.
Beyond that screening issue, just ask any Diabetic that has flied American skies the battery of questions and confiscation of syringes when proper medical documentation is not provided. Seriously unless you have the paperwork you will not get on a plane with a syringe. It doesn't take a full body scan to detect a syringe.
Also the Dutch have the own lists, they aren't going to give a damn what lists the NSA and HomeLand Security Department has, the Dutch don't comply or communicate with US counter terrorism agencies.
Just like the Dutch won't cooperate with interpol efforts to fight human trafficking, child pornography, drugs, organized crime or exotic animal trafficking. The Dutch refuse to cooperate.
The full body scanners used only for flights departing for the USA is a punative measure to punish Americans.
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^ The Dutch, like the Americans, act within their interest. Issues such as child pornography, child trafficking, "illicit" drugs, are exploited by the wider Dutch population. In US, drug-use is stigmatized and the majority incarcerated (despite being a minority drug-user segment) happen to be African-Americans.
The "war on drugs" can run, because blacks have no value in the United States. Obama, a Black Kenyan, doesn't change that fact. I studied with plenty of mobile international students from those nations. On the other hand, the Dutch can't afford to criminalize their wider white population. That's just how things happen to run.
Saying that, the United States continues to cease conquering lands and providing tools of destruction to illegal states such as Israel. Not only that, but much of their illegal wars has led to a huge child prostitution run. I suggest going to Afghanistan or Iraq, and seeing the devaluation of young women in these nations. People sell kids or even infants at prices that resemble a video game console.
The Dutch "cooperating" is not going to change the world at all. Go to Detroit, Uptown, Southside Chicago, and bring up that Mickey Mouse nonsense regarding US being an innocent state in this cruel world. I doubt most Blacks outside those enrolled in those conformist, pathetic and useless law programs would agree to that nonsense.
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quote:Originally posted by Bob_01: ^ The Dutch, like the Americans, act within their interest. Issues such as child pornography, child trafficking, "illicit" drugs, are exploited by the wider Dutch population. In US, drug-use is stigmatized and the majority incarcerated (despite being a minority drug-user segment) happen to be African-Americans.
The "war on drugs" can run, because blacks have no value in the United States. Obama, a Black Kenyan, doesn't change that fact. I studied with plenty of mobile international students from those nations. On the other hand, the Dutch can't afford to criminalize their wider white population. That's just how things happen to run.
Saying that, the United States continues to cease conquering lands and providing tools of destruction to illegal states such as Israel. Not only that, but much of their illegal wars has led to a huge child prostitution run. I suggest going to Afghanistan or Iraq, and seeing the devaluation of young women in these nations. People sell kids or even infants at prices that resemble a video game console.
The Dutch "cooperating" is not going to change the world at all. Go to Detroit, Uptown, Southside Chicago, and bring up that Mickey Mouse nonsense regarding US being an innocent state in this cruel world. I doubt most Blacks outside those enrolled in those conformist, pathetic and useless law programs would agree to that nonsense.
Bob this isn't a repriations or affirmative actions discussion, this is a discussion on how the Dutch screen passengers boarding flights to the USA.
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I flew American Airlines 6 months after 9/11 from LA to San Francisco with 4 packets of Chinese firecrackers in my suitcase ( honest mistake because I had bought them for my kids ) opened the case and gave them to the security. Boy were they embarrassed. US security is hopeless. Well it was 6 months after 9/11.
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Anyway, this Dutch is going to fly in a couple of hours. The Netherlands are a tiny spot on the world-map, so the importance and influence is very, very limited. We are nr. 3 on the world ranking list of football-nations, and that's for about the only thing we are important in. The period of slavery is far behind us, and the VOC is history. Happy New Year!
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quote:Originally posted by Bob_01: ^ The Dutch, like the Americans, act within their interest. Issues such as child pornography, child trafficking, "illicit" drugs, are exploited by the wider Dutch population. In US, drug-use is stigmatized and the majority incarcerated (despite being a minority drug-user segment) happen to be African-Americans.
The "war on drugs" can run, because blacks have no value in the United States. Obama, a Black Kenyan, doesn't change that fact. I studied with plenty of mobile international students from those nations. On the other hand, the Dutch can't afford to criminalize their wider white population. That's just how things happen to run.
Saying that, the United States continues to cease conquering lands and providing tools of destruction to illegal states such as Israel. Not only that, but much of their illegal wars has led to a huge child prostitution run. I suggest going to Afghanistan or Iraq, and seeing the devaluation of young women in these nations. People sell kids or even infants at prices that resemble a video game console.
The Dutch "cooperating" is not going to change the world at all. Go to Detroit, Uptown, Southside Chicago, and bring up that Mickey Mouse nonsense regarding US being an innocent state in this cruel world. I doubt most Blacks outside those enrolled in those conformist, pathetic and useless law programs would agree to that nonsense.
Bob this isn't a repriations or affirmative actions discussion, this is a discussion on how the Dutch screen passengers boarding flights to the USA.
My point is the Dutch will push their interests. If you understand the nation, it's pretty obvious that Dutch are leaders when it comes to illicit drug use and prostitutions of the child variety.
Also, I don't think I ever recommended affirmative action or reparations. The former from what figures suggest is more-or-less worthless in US settings so I doubt it would have benefits anywhere else.
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The American media calls him now the "underwear terrorist" .... ROFL!!! Posts: 30135 | From: The owner of this website killed ES....... | Registered: Feb 2004
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quote:Originally posted by Tigerlily: The American media calls him now the "underwear terrorist" .... ROFL!!!
And Tigerlily wah so funny bout the moniker?
That boy AbuMutalib pays about $4 million a year for his rented luxury apartment in London, paid for by his Daddyz money.
Daddy is one of the richest men in the world.
Why would one of the sons of one of the world's richest man decide to go "suicide bomb"? He could have bought tons of potential suicide bombers from Arabia and Somalia with half the money he paid in monthly rents.
The money that boy AbuMutalib spends in a month, is more than you and your hubby will make in all your life-time. No disrespect, just facts. He pays $400,000 US in just monthly rents for his apartment. You have not even been told about his monthly "playing around" and gambling funds yet.
So take in the figures again and then roll on the floor with laughter.... Posts: 7419 | From: North America | Registered: Mar 2009
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