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I don't have an argument. I presented the Jewish definition of belonging to the peoplehood which is not a religion as there are atheist, secular, agnostic, humanist, etc., Jews.
But you won't stick to the subject matter. No. You gotta go and bad mouth me because I won't agree with you and instead try to show you what Jews themselves say define someone as being a Jew.
Well if you want to get personal and talk about me, who you don't know at all, then it's fair for me to judge you too. And so I conclude you're beginning to sound like someone who has their head up their ass living in a fart world that they think is a perfumed garden.
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You're beginning to sound like someone who has an inferiority complex. Maybe in your world the earth is still flat...
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: I don't have an argument. I presented the Jewish definition of belonging to the peoplehood which is not a religion as there are atheist, secular, agnostic, humanist, etc., Jews.
The FACT still remains, there is no science to back your argument/definition/whatever - only belief. And in case you didn't know, atheist, secular, agnostic, humanist, etc. are not excluded from having belief systems just because they lack religious belief.
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: But you won't stick to the subject matter. No. You gotta go and bad mouth me because I won't agree with you and instead try to show you what Jews themselves say define someone as being a Jew.
And you say this after trying to infer that I'm an anti-semite? Spare me the hypocritical rhetoric.
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Well if you want to get personal and talk about me, who you don't know at all, then it's fair for me to judge you too. And so I conclude you're beginning to sound like someone who has their head up their ass living in a fart world that you think is a perfumed garden.
You speak as one who knows the feeling and aroma quite well. Perhaps one day, when you've removed your head from up your Rabbi's ass, you can then clean the sh*t from your ears and listen closely when you take Biology 101...
And PS, don't fall off the end of the earth on your way to class...
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Gone from pulling rabbits out of your ass to s h i t t i n g straight out your mouth. The taste you enjoy so well. S h i t on my bruder bund boy(?), s h i t on.
Whenever you emerge from out your toilet and want to discuss things without your emotions of hate jealousy and fear I'll be hear with the rational members of the forum.
In the meantime, here's some Charmin' to wipe your mouth with and some Lysol to cover your stink and kill your disease.
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Gone from pulling rabbits out of your ass to s h i t t i n g straight out your mouth. The taste you enjoy so well. S h i t on my bruder bund boy(?), s h i t on.
Whenever you emerge from out your toilet and want to discuss things without your emotions of hate jealousy and fear I'll be hear with the rational members of the forum.
In the meantime, here's some Charmin' to wipe your mouth with and some Lysol to cover your stink and kill your disease.
Can't win the war of words, rhetoric, or insults so now, like a beaten dog, you run away with your tail between your legs. So very typical of someone who apologizes for the shortcommings of their religious [read properly: superstitious] beliefs.
Don't blame me because YOUR "logic" is faulty and don't blame me because YOU lack the capacity to distiguish science from faith. Perhaps if you spent more time reading a Physics book and less time reading some outdated book [of a dubious source] about El/YHWH/Adoni/Whomever the hell "It" wants to be today - you would be able to know the difference.
I could never understand why people put so much trust in a book written by people whose mother and father were probably also brother and sister. Maybe that explains the whole biological "definition" that you cling to like a wine-o clutching his last $1.09 bottle of wine.
It's amazing that you posses so much book knowledge - yet the most simple of priniciples flies 100 miles over your head. Flat earth indeed.
quote: What more flap trap from Zippy the Pinhead? Not enough brain to even understand that simplest of logical presentations like the dog it is returns and laps up more of his own vomit thinking that somehow makes him some kind of presenter of factual info when all the miserable excuse for a sick monkey turd's got is opinionated roorag straight out its ass/mouth, in its case what's the difference.
Nay-sayer indeed. Nothing worth saying is more like it. Good for what? Bad talk safely out of reach of the back of my hand like every big bad talking internet bitch that in real life slinks away from confrontation like piss running in alley cracks.
Go lick a dog's ass 'till it bleeds you less than amoebic low life loser perfect example of why abortions due to incest pregnancies should be mandatory or maybe you're just that kind of living abortion.
but considering you've never contributed anything of even partial value to this forum why should I waste my time in a dis swap with a worthless s h i t like you?
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: This is what I started to post
quote: What more flap trap from Zippy the Pinhead? Not enough brain to even understand that simplest of logical presentations like the dog it is returns and laps up more of his own vomit thinking that somehow makes him some kind of presenter of factual info when all the miserable excuse for a sick monkey turd's got is opinionated roorag straight out its ass/mouth, in its case what's the difference.
Nay-sayer indeed. Nothing worth saying is more like it. Good for what? Bad talk safely out of reach of the back of my hand like every big bad talking internet bitch that in real life slinks away from confrontation like piss running in alley cracks.
Go lick a dog's ass 'till it bleeds you less than amoebic low life loser perfect example of why abortions due to incest pregnancies should be mandatory or maybe you're just that kind of living abortion.
but considering you've never contributed anything of even partial value to this forum why should I waste my time in a dis swap with a worthless s h i t like you?
The worthless s h i t is the one that gave birth to you. And STILL, you haven't been able to refute one single word. I'd call you a joke, but that wouldn't do you justice.
It must be a tough pill to swallow that someone who "never contributed anything of even partial value to this forum" can come in here and lay an intellectual beat down on your ignorant a$$. So give yourself a standing ovation for being the first place winner @ the Special Olympics, Genius.
And BTW, a REAL man doesn't go about saying what he was going to do. He just goes and does it, Junior.
Grow some pubic hair then go get a clue....
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ What do you mean? Why would it be deleted? Are you suspicious of something Arwa?
djhuti can you explain to me the DNA of the Ancient Egyptian v.s Modern. This guy on Topix is posting ish about the Ancients being Europeans and Mid. Easterners becuase Modern Egyptians group closer to Euros and Asians and are suppoedly the same as the Ancients...
Please show some sites...I can't find any besides Wikipedia and Im not an exprt on DNA...thanks.
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Hey diarhea brain, even you can't be so obtusely self-blinded to not see that I did post it, along with additions, else you wouldn't see in in the quote. What a stupid piece of monkey s h i t like you is doing in here with the rest of us is beyond me. And look, you haven't presented a single thing to refute just farting your insides out with fuming hatred against those you penis envy the most.
The only beat down you've layed is the one your hand constantly administers to that withered toothpick you mistake for a dick. The only one you've ever layed in your incestuously misbegotten miscarriage of a need to get a life is your palm where all your pubic hair is so profusely growing. Your ugly misshapen makes Quasimodo look like Prince Charming mug is in the dictionary under palm pilot (and you're the 5* general of that air force).
This is the best you can do? This is about all you're good for, trash talk. You're totally incapable of contributing anything of value or worth to the forum. Having outplayed you at this dis game again and again and again I tire of your no competiton loser attempts of no where near approaching a comeback and move myself on back to posting substance, a realm you can't even locate much less enter. Carry on with your adolescent hi-jinx. I admit you have more than great potential of, one day a million years from the 12th of Never, besting me in that field though so far you haven't even been successful at that. Such a consumate loser you are. How can you stand yourself? Now go on go lay down on some freeway exit to the city doing rush hour and do the universe the biggest favor possible.
My apologies to the rest of the forum for wasting your bandwidth with this momentary distraction.
quote:Originally posted by Nay-Sayer:
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: This is what I started to post
quote: What more flap trap from Zippy the Pinhead? Not enough brain to even understand that simplest of logical presentations like the dog it is returns and laps up more of his own vomit thinking that somehow makes him some kind of presenter of factual info when all the miserable excuse for a sick monkey turd's got is opinionated roorag straight out its ass/mouth, in its case what's the difference.
Nay-sayer indeed. Nothing worth saying is more like it. Good for what? Bad talk safely out of reach of the back of my hand like every big bad talking internet bitch that in real life slinks away from confrontation like piss running in alley cracks.
Go lick a dog's ass 'till it bleeds you less than amoebic low life loser perfect example of why abortions due to incest pregnancies should be mandatory or maybe you're just that kind of living abortion.
but considering you've never contributed anything of even partial value to this forum why should I waste my time in a dis swap with a worthless s h i t like you?
The worthless s h i t is the one that gave birth to you. And STILL, you haven't been able to refute one single word. I'd call you a joke, but that wouldn't do you justice.
It must be a tough pill to swallow that someone who "never contributed anything of even partial value to this forum" can come in here and lay an intellectual beat down on your ignorant a$$. So give yourself a standing ovation for being the first place winner @ the Special Olympics, Genius.
And BTW, a REAL man doesn't go about saying what he was going to do. He just goes and does it, Junior.
Grow some pubic hair then go get a clue....
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Hey diarhea brain, even you can't be so obtusely [Pre-teenage girl rant SNIPPED]
One last time, for those of us who failed reading comprehension. Jewishness HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BIOLOGY. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST OTHERWISE. EVEN A LOW LIFE DIP-S H I T SHOULD BE ABLE TO COMPREHEND THIS MOST SIMPLE OF PRINCIPLES.
There you go Junior. Even you should be able to understand, but my hopes aren't high.
And if you still don't understand then go ask El/YHWH/Adoni/Whoever the hell "It" wants to be today - to give you wisdom like Solomon, then go somewhere and STFU...
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Go over this until the spark of intelligence even a sick monkey turd like you should have kicks in to cognicance of its truth of how this particular people defines themself. Compare and contrast it to how other peoples define themselves.
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You still haven't answered the questions I posed below. Why is that? Napoleon complex? I thought Jews were supposed to be smart. WTF is your problem then, Genius?
Oh wait, maybe you're not really a Jew - but just a pathetic wanna-be.
quote:Originally posted by Nay-Sayer: And BTW....
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: I don't know why I even bother because for people so concerned about the truth vs false opinions on Egypt, Africa, and blacks many here have no problem spewing nonsense on Jews and Judaism, but for like about the zillionth time Jewishness does have something to do with biology unless birth is outside biology.
Please explain how a person is born outside of biological processes?
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Repeat, anyone born of a Jewish mother is a Jew (clickable link) regardless of religion. [U]That is the definition according to Sepharade and orthodox rabbis[/U] who will also make a Jew out of any non-Jew that sincerely desires to become bound by Jewish law and practice Judaism.
Since when did Sephardic and Orthodox Rabbis become authorites on Biology?
Does this rule apply to women who convert to Judaism then have kids?
If so then you could have a situation where a women has a child, then subsequently converts to Judaism, then has another child. In this case the oldest child would not be Jewish and the youngest child would. Does that make any sense to you, Genius?
Then explain how it makes sense BIOLOGICALLY that the offspring of a Jewish man by a non-Jewish woman are non-Jews but the offspring of a non-Jewish man by a Jewish woman are? Please explain the SCIENCE behind this line of thought.
Or can't you read?
And BTW, like your "logic", your links don't work, Genius...
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Hate blinds. Have answered it again and again. You reject the answer yet posit no variable. No examination of Jews in any scientific report samples other than Jews born of Jewish mothers. Why is that? Because anybody practicing Jewish rites but not conforming to rabbinic self definition of the Jewish people is recognized as a Jew by anyone but s h i t for brains monkey turd you.
Jewishness is a function of peoplehood. Jews are not simply a religious group. Jews are a people that like modern nations is composed of those born in to it or naturalized in to it. That is a fact beyond rational dispute.
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They're not links dumbass they're hi-lites. Boy are you stupid. No wonder you can't understand any of this. It's not just a matter of envy and hatred, you really are too mentally crippled low in intelligence to comprehend what's presented to you.
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Hate blinds. Have answered it again and again. You reject the answer yet posit no variable. No examination of Jews in any scientific report samples other than Jews born of Jewish mothers. Why is that? Because anybody practicing Jewish rites but not conforming to rabbinic self definition of the Jewish people is recognized as a Jew by anyone but s h i t for brains monkey turd you.
Jewishness is a function of peoplehood. Jews are not simply a religious group. Jews are a people that like modern nations is composed of those born in to it or naturalized in to it. That is a fact beyond rational dispute.
Dumb a$$,
You have refused to address the pertinent question here:
quote:Explain how it makes sense BIOLOGICALLY that the offspring of a Jewish man by a non-Jewish woman are non-Jews but the offspring of a non-Jewish man by a Jewish woman are? Please explain the SCIENCE behind this line of thought.
Are you that damn dense? Weren't you paying attention in reading class? I've heard of cheap bastards before but never have I heard of a bastard so cheap that he didn't even pay attention.
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Yes. Makes perfect sense in fact is just how it works in Jewish law.
The elder child is not a Jew because at the time of birth the mother was not a Jew.
The younger child is a Jew because mother is a Jew.
Every child born to that mother after her conversion even should she revert to her original religion is also a Jew too.
Kicking screaming and clawing every inch of the way you're beginning to catch on. The case of convert mothers is one reason mtDNA studies of Jews show multiple origins.
Does this rule apply to women who convert to Judaism then have kids?
If so then you could have a situation where a women has a child, then subsequently converts to Judaism, then has another child. In this case the oldest child would not be Jewish and the youngest child would. Does that make any sense to you, Genius?
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If you want to understand how all this works I'll be glad to explain it but when you object or disagree you must do it without insult.
Otherwise, this is the end of our dialogue and I will only entertain comments and queries from forum members who present themselves respectfully and who really want to know not just rhetorically put out their view (to which they are perfectly entitled to do though it has no bearing on Jewish practice or who scientist select for their Jewish samples). have to stop and you have to learn to disagree without flaming on.
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Yes. Makes perfect sense in fact is just how it works in Jewish law.
Jewish law is not based on ANY science whatsoever. Even someone with room temperature IQ can comprehend that, Genius.
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: The elder child is not a Jew because at the time of birth the mother was not a Jew.
The younger child is a Jew because mother is a Jew.
Please explain the biological science behind this line of thought, Genius.
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Kicking screaming and clawing every inch of the way you're beginning to catch on. The case of convert mothers is one reason mtDNA studies of Jews show multiple origins.
Which DEFIES your stupid notion that Jewishness is somehow connected to biology. It isn't, dumb a$$...
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: If you want to understand how all this works I'll be glad to explain it but when you object or disagree you must do it without insult.
Otherwise, this is the end of our dialogue and I will only entertain comments and queries from forum members who present themselves respectfully and who really want to know not just rhetorically put out their view (to which they are perfectly entitled to do though it has no bearing on Jewish practice or who scientist select for their Jewish samples). have to stop and you have to learn to disagree without flaming on.
Hypocrisy is typical of fundamentalists.
The conversation was cordial until you stepped outside of the bounds.
Can't stand the heat? Stay out of the kitchen...
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Being a fundament, instigators like you always blame your targets. See below where you crossed the line and attacked me instead of dealing with the subject matter.
I'm willing to further discuss the topic with anyone who follows normal rules of social behavior in discourse but not with fundaments on a tirade.
I'll not lower myself to your level to join you under your manhole cover at the municipal septic treatment center.
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: There is no such thing as a science defined Jew. Jewish authorities are certainly authorities on all things internally Jewish. Scientist do not define Jews or any other peoplehood. Jews, like every other people, define themselves.
That's fine and dandy, but perhaps you need to take a class in biology. If one wishes to believe that Jewishness is passed on from the mohter only - that is fine. However, it doesn't change the FACT that it is an article of FAITH and not based on any science. What is so difficult to understand here? Your argument doesn't have a leg to stand on, scientifically speaking. There is no science that validates your argument, only belief.
You're beginning to sound like someone who has an inferiority complex. Maybe in your world the earth is still flat...
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Being a fundament, instigators like you always blame your targets. See below where you crossed the line and attacked me instead of dealing with the subject matter.
I'm willing to further discuss the topic with anyone who follows normal rules of social behavior in discourse but not with fundaments on a tirade.
I'll not lower myself to your level to join you under your manhole cover at the municipal septic treatment center.
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: There is no such thing as a science defined Jew. Jewish authorities are certainly authorities on all things internally Jewish. Scientist do not define Jews or any other peoplehood. Jews, like every other people, define themselves.
That's fine and dandy, but perhaps you need to take a class in biology. If one wishes to believe that Jewishness is passed on from the mohter only - that is fine. However, it doesn't change the FACT that it is an article of FAITH and not based on any science. What is so difficult to understand here? Your argument doesn't have a leg to stand on, scientifically speaking. There is no science that validates your argument, only belief.
You're beginning to sound like someone who has an inferiority complex. Maybe in your world the earth is still flat...
That message was in response to your attempt at inferring I was some sort of anti-semite for disagreeing with your position. So, if you don't want to sound like someone who has an inferiority complex might I suggest you not make such inferences [without merit]. Especially when the facts are on your opponent's side. The problem we have is that fundamentalists don't know how to deal with someone who uses the facts to refute their fundamentalism without being disagreeable.
It is ok that you have your religious belief, I have no issue with you or your religion. What I take issue with is your attempt to besmirch me all because I questioned your position using the facts WRT science/biology that don't support your belief. If you wish to redefine science and biology then I have no problem with that. Just be prepared to get called on the carpet...
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Yes you are obviously a fundament and on top of that are fundamentalist.
You have a persecution complex. Nowhere did I call you by the ridiculous term anti-semite, a term I don't use. That you registered any such feeling is a measure of your conscious for something you feel guilty of but cannot project onto me.
In any case I am and remain your superior of whom you suffer a be-like complex.
I haven't and never have presented any of my personal religious beliefs on this forum because number 1 I have no religion number two a persons religious beliefs have no business interjecting themselves onto the subject matter of this forum.
The same for you and your anti-religious beliefs and mockery of such and people who have such Your atheists beliefs have no business interjecting themselves onto the subject matter of this forum.
I have posited that biological Jews are subjects of DNA reports prepared by scientist who do not use people who claim to practice Judaism but do not belong to the Jewish people as subjects. Those are facts that you helplessly rail against but cannot ever refute and is why you veered of course and began imputing me because you are wrong about the question of who is a Jew and why.
You haven't presented a scintilla of anything other than your personal fundamentalist viewpoint and though given the bilogical definition of a Jew refuse to accept it.
There is no more to say on the issue. A definition exists and you don't accept it. You can refuse to accept
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Yes you are obviously a fundament and on top of that are fundamentalist.
No sir, you have that backwards. I am not the fundamentalists between the two of us.
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: You have a persecution complex. Nowhere did I call you by the ridiculous term anti-semite, a term I don't use. That you registered any such feeling is a measure of your conscious for something you feel guilty of but cannot project onto me.
Don't play stupid. I saw your post before you edited out your inference that I was an anti-semite. I saw the post and am sorry that I didn't quote all of the content before you were able to edit it.
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: In any case I am and remain your superior of whom you suffer a be-like complex.
Now you're just being comical. You remain "superior" only in your fundamentalism, the inferior complex from which you suffer, and your inability to distinguish fact from obvious fiction.
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: I haven't and never have presented any of my personal religious beliefs on this forum because number 1 I have no religion number two a persons religious beliefs have no business interjecting themselves onto the subject matter of this forum.
Tell it to your Rabbi.
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: The same for you and your anti-religious beliefs and mockery of such and people who have such Your atheists beliefs have no business interjecting themselves onto the subject matter of this forum.
Wait a minute! I don't recall ever proclaiming to be an atheist. Are you now a mind reader too?
The Superior Mind Reader! Sounds like a good idea for the next reality show. I'll be giving Comedy Central a call later today to pitch the idea..
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: I have posited that biological Jews are subjects of DNA reports prepared by scientist who do not use people who claim to practice Judaism but do not belong to the Jewish people as subjects. Those are facts that you helplessly rail against but cannot ever refute and is why you veered of course and began imputing me because you are wrong about the question of who is a Jew and why.
Dude, your posits are worthy of deposit into the nearest commode. And don't forget to wipe and flush...
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: You haven't presented a scintilla of anything other than your personal fundamentalist viewpoint and though given the bilogical definition of a Jew refuse to accept it.
You can't be serious? Especially when you say things like "biological Jews are subjects of DNA reports prepared by scientist who do not use people who claim to practice Judaism but do not belong to the Jewish people as subjects." First, WTF is a "biological Jew"? Would you care to define that term using an unbiased source? Secondly, your mysterious "DNA Reports" that were prepared by "Scientists"? What "DNA Reports" and which "Scientists"? Would you mind giving us a source so that we may go see for ourselves?
Or should we just take your word for it because, after all, you are The Superior Mind Reader(tm)?!?
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