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alTakruri - So HeqaNefer and the rulers of Wawat are Libyans huh?
No I didn't say that, you did.
I said; We know he is a Libyan not a Nubian by the feather. Libyan's wore feathers in their hair, Nubian's did not.
The picture is posted by the University of Alabama. The text with the painting says...
Quote: Wall painting in tomb chapel of Huy at Thebes, which shows Heqanefer, Prince of Miam, and other Nubian chiefs submitting to King Tut'ankhamun.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it normal practice for the HEAD of a delegation to be in the FRONT of the delegation????
Unless my eyes deceive me, the Prince is the one in the middle. He has four people, wearing similar headgear to his own BEHIND him.
In front of him there is ANOTHER delegation of people with DIS-SIMILAR headgear (and clothing) to that of the Nubians.
Since some Europeans also wore feathers in their hair, and there is no explanation of who these people are in the text, I am not prepared to say that the first delegation is Libyan.
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Actually you made a bad try. A feather in the head does not identify a Libyan. It is also false that your 'Nubians' did not wear feathers. A competent analysis of the painting based on actually translating the mdw ntjr adjacent to each portrayed personage can be found @ TheNileValley Forum -> Pictures -> Kushites in Art
Should you care to learn, rather than be persnickity, please avail yourself of the free knowledge there. Perhaps after careful perusal there you'll be able to honestly answer the question "So HeqaNefer and the rulers of Wawat are Libyans huh?." But then, you always avoid answering questions which weaken your poorly thought out propositions (preposterous positions) anyway.
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alTakruri - This is a new low, even for you and your pompous self - You use your own posting on another forum as proof - you gotta be kidding.
But what makes it truly silly, is your claim that ALL the people are Nubian's, when it's obvious that there are at least four groups - This one is NOT a nice try.
BTW - on the bottom - Yellow-skinned Nubian's, wow what a find.
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alTakruri - I know that by now, you are scurrying around the internet, trying to find proof that is NOT there. So to put you out of your misery, I did the work for you - be sure to be polite and say thank you.
Brooklyn Museum
Donation Stela with a Curse
One of the most characteristic monuments of the Third Intermediate Period (circa 1070–653 B.C.) is the donation stela, a commemorative inscription that records the gift of land to a temple or a member of the temple staff. The texts give the conditions of the gift and the penalties to be incurred by anyone violating the terms. The punishments are usually couched in the form of curses, which, contrary to popular belief, were rare in ancient Egypt.
In the frame above the text on this stela a triad of gods associated with the city of Mendes stands facing the Libyan prince Hornakht, ruler of Mendes at the time. The prince wears the characteristic Libyan feather on his head and a short kilt with a transparent overgarment.
Temehu people were said to be 'fair skinned' and 'blue eyed'. They wore single hair locks on each side of the head and pointed beards, and had a headdress of two ostrich plumes as those of the Libyan Goddess Ament . One feather symbolises 'chieftain status', while two feathers are generally worn by everyone else. The Temehu, like the Tehenu, adored the Goddess Neith in tattoos.
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Hey, everybody knows I don't use the term Nubians to refer to any of the NHHSW people in AE art. My work at TNV identifying the tributaries Huy presents remains accurate true and valid. Not knowing how to read the mdw ntjr sends you scurrying the 'net in a hopeless task doomed to failure. HeqaNefer and the rulers of Wawat wear feathers and are not Libyan.
Fact of the matter is we went over the point of Libyans and NHHSW both wearing feathers when a member, Mazight, brought it up before you got here.
Also dashed the blue eyed TMHHW thing too.
Too bad you 'learn' on the fly and rapidly post without perusing a plethora of sources and taking the time to analyze and synthesize them. That's why you're not even a worthy cat & mouse past time.
And your distraction failed to save you from the question at hand "So HeqaNefer and the rulers of Wawat are Libyans huh?."
Flail on helpless one. Flail on and fail again.
I accept your non-answer and secondary school attempted research as admitting you are clueless.
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This is what one does after high school and one has a degree or two. Little grade school boys go to Wiki and an encyclopedia because they can't access specialized publications nor know any ancient languages or scripts.
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: alTakruri - This is a new low, even for you and your pompous self - You use your own posting on another forum as proof - you gotta be kidding.
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alTakruri - Give it up you fraud, you are not fooling anybody. If you have any knowledge at all, it is very small. But apparently your ego is NOT small, do you really expect people to believe some internet fraud over Museum curators - you must be mad!Posts: 22721 | Registered: Oct 2005
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Come-on people, doesn't it occur to anybody to say; What! - Hequanefer looks more like an Egyptian than a Nubian! Glad you asked - see below.
Hequanefer was one of the local rulers who adopted Kemet's culture. Kemet sought to Egypitanize local leadership to discourage rebellion based on ethnic identity. The fortresses established in the early 18th Dynasty, give way to temples and urban centers of mining, administration and commerce.
In Lower Nubia there were a number of such Egyptianized chiefs, who adopted Kemet names and burial customs. The result of this was the submergence of C-Group culture under that of Kemet in Lower Nubia. In other parts of Nubia, traditional culture tended to survive.Posts: 22721 | Registered: Oct 2005
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Actually you made a bad try. A feather in the head does not identify a Libyan. It is also false that your 'Nubians' did not wear feathers. A competent analysis of the painting based on actually translating the mdw ntjr adjacent to each portrayed personage can be found @ TheNileValley Forum -> Pictures -> Kushites in Art
Should you care to learn, rather than be persnickity, please avail yourself of the free knowledge there. Perhaps after careful perusal there you'll be able to honestly answer the question "So HeqaNefer and the rulers of Wawat are Libyans huh?." But then, you always avoid answering questions which weaken your poorly thought out propositions (preposterous positions) anyway...
Hey, everybody knows I don't use the term Nubians to refer to any of the NHHSW people in AE art. My work at TNV identifying the tributaries Huy presents remains accurate true and valid. Not knowing how to read the mdw ntjr sends you scurrying the 'net in a hopeless task doomed to failure. HeqaNefer and the rulers of Wawat wear feathers and are not Libyan.
Fact of the matter is we went over the point of Libyans and NHHSW both wearing feathers when a member, Mazight, brought it up before you got here...
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OK, prove you're beyond form school, have a degree, and are familiar with AEL by identifying anywhere in the mdw ntjr where the yalla skinned ladies are referred to, as you say, 'Nubians.' For you, that should be just as easy as lifting my posted image from Lepsius' Denkmaeller.
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: BTW - on the bottom - Yellow-skinned Nubian's, wow what a find.
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