quote:Originally posted by Herukhuti: "Haredi Jews that are protesting against Israel, explaining that there isn't a Muslim-Jewish conflict but an Israel-Palestine conflict."
quote:Originally posted by Herukhuti: "Haredi Jews that are protesting against Israel, explaining that there isn't a Muslim-Jewish conflict but an Israel-Palestine conflict."
REAL JEWS???? – Since when do “Real Jews” come from Eastern Europe????
As a reminder..
This is a REAL JEW!!!
THIS IS A GROUP OF WHITE PERSONS FROM EASTERN EUROPE WHO CALL THEMSELVES JEWS!
IF YOU CAN FIND ANYTHING THAT THESE TWO HAVE IN COMMON, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
SURE...
As per Jewish authorities a Jew is
1). a person whose birth mother was a Jew at the time the person was born
2). a person who converts to Judaism via recognized authoritiesPosts: 3423 | From: the jungle - when y'all stop playing games, call me. | Registered: Jul 2006
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It is all contextual. A "Jewish authority" is anyone that the community, whatever that is, agrees upon. So if the Nigerian Judeophile J-Horus sees white Jews as "authorities" then they are so to him. He recognises them as such. Those Beta Israel who submit to the white Jewish dictates of what constitutes a "Jew" will see white Jews as "authorities". Those like Dr. Ben however would not. It is all contextual.
In the end, a "Jew" is a religion and anyone can be a "Jew". So then those anti-Zionist Jews have religion in common with the "Real Jews". But the question really is: are the majority of white Jews connected to the ancient Semitic peoples (those "Jews" or those who didnt worship Yaweh) of the Hebrew/Levant? This has been discussed already: they are not. Zionism is colonialism.
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akoben - Yes, Zionism is colonialism. But since both parties are ethnically the same (Turk), and neither party has any real ancestral claim to the area; it's hard to decide if squatter #2 has less claim then squatter #1.
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^^^On the issue of legitimacy; For BOTH Jew and Christian, there is a very clear and easy way to demonstrate their fidelity to ancient Hebrew religious thought and religion.
The ancient Hebrews, knowing that they would be wiped-out. Had the forethought to hide copies of their religious beliefs and religious stories, so that future generations might find them and know them. These ancient Hebrew writings are known as "The Dead Sea Scrolls".
The Dead Sea Scrolls comprise a vast collection of Hebrew documents written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, and encompassing many subjects and literary styles. They include manuscripts or fragments of every book in the Hebrew Bible except the Book of Esther, all of them created nearly one thousand years earlier than any previously known biblical manuscripts. The scrolls also contain the earliest existing biblical commentary on the Book of Habakkuk, and many other writings, among them religious works pertaining to Hebrew sects of the time.
Unfortunately; these sacred writings were found by White People. The very same White people who destroyed them (the Hebrews), and once they were destroyed, created vast "quasi religious" institutions to FEED-OFF of the precepts of their Hebrew religion.
Soon after, the Roman Whites were joined by Turkish Whites called Khazars. They too joined the feast on Hebrew religion. Each claimed that they were the true guardians of Hebrew religious thought. Well, the fact is that there is no reason to guess. The Dead Sea Scrolls exist, and they are genuine.
The world needs to demand that the translations of the Dead Sea Scrolls be released!!!
They have been held hostage for 62 years by White people who we know are liars, that is too long!
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The so-called Hebrews were not "destroyed". Hebrews were simply a group of Semitic people living in the region and their religion is simply a collage of the various religious concepts from the various civilisations surrounding them. Their descendants are to be found in the region today. That's just about it, plain boring history; there is no mystery to the Hebrews, no "hidden religious secrets" and no vanished people. Although I can see how this view of history can be attractive to some.
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akoben - sorry pal; while it is true that every single Hebrew was not killed; some moved to other parts of Africa, and some dispersed in the general area.
But that is where your knowledge ends. They were NOT so-called Hebrews. They were a distinct and unique ethnic group, with their own country, customs, and religion. There was a genocide carried out by both Romans and Arabs, and you need to do some work.
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Are you saying they didn't get their concepts from other peoples but came up with them on their own?
And btw it seems not only the so-called Hebrews suffered genocide but they carried out some of their own, like on the Caananites... Posts: 4165 | From: jamaica | Registered: May 2008
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quote:Originally posted by akoben: are you saying they didnt get their concepts from other peoples but came up with them on their own? And btw it seems not only the so-called Hebrews suffered genocide but they carried out some of their own, like on the Caananites...
No I am not saying that all of their religious beliefs were home grown - they were not. As you correctly pointed out, their religion was a collage of the religions of the places that they passed through. But the aggregate of these many religions was their own unique religion.
Though they constantly made War with the Canaanites (and everybody else) they did not and could not carry out a genocide against them. When the Hebrews were no more, there still existed Canaanite/Phoenician cities. The Romans, then Arabs/Turks finished them off by death and absorption.
I should point out, that in the end, almost every clash that resulted in large scale Hebrew death. Was the result of Hebrew refusal to accept religious interference or compromise. Whether you agree with their religious beliefs or not, you have to respect that they died for them. Not necessarily the wise thing to do, but that's what they did.
Just to show the Arab part in the crimes, here are some quotes from the Qur'an.
Qur'an 033.027 YUSUFALI: And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, and of a land which ye had not frequented (before). And Allah has power over all things.
PICKTHAL: And He caused you to inherit their land and their houses and their wealth, and land ye have not trodden. Allah is ever Able to do all things.
SHAKIR: And He made you heirs to their land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden, and Allah has power over all things.
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You cant seem to make up your mind whether or not they were "destroyed". In one breath you admit some still lived and moved to N. Africa and other parts of the general area and now you say they were "finished of" by the Romans and Arabs.
This contradiction seems to stem from your desire to portray Roman and Arab killing of Hebrews as somehow "worse" (a genocide) than Israelite killing of Canaanites (just mere "war"). Hence your contradictions. Also, you seem to be confusing your chronology as Israel was built on Canaanite civilisation so Phoenicia ceased to exist as a civilisation after the conquest of "Joshua". Therefore, just like your Quran quotes, there are incriminating quotes supporting a genocide claim in the OT, there you can find all their slaughter and theft of Canaanite booty, all sanctioned by Yahweh.
Which takes us to your next dilemma: what makes the so-called Hebrews "unique"? If they, like everybody else in the region, got their religious concepts as a result of interaction with others then this was hardly unique in history.
But somehow I dont think any of this will sway your long held perceptions of that particular Semitic people as you seem to be one of them African Hebrew Israelite types, hence the dramatic tales of historical genocides and "secrets" hidden.
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They moved to other parts of Africa, not just N. Africa.
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The view that the so-called "dispersal" explains the various Jewish communities all over the world from Ethiopia to India is a load of rubbish in my view. Nothing to support it. The spread of Judaism, like the rest of the Abrahamic faiths, was a result of conversion.Posts: 4165 | From: jamaica | Registered: May 2008
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akoben - You seem partially argumentative on this subject, so much so that you are confusing points.
You cant seem to make up your mind whether or not they were "destroyed". In one breath you admit some still lived and moved to N. Africa and other parts of the general area and now you say they were "finished of" by the Romans and Arabs.
Here I was obviously talking about Canaanites, a key feature was my saying "When the Hebrews were no more".
Also, you seem to be confusing your chronology as Israel was built on Canaanite civilisation so Phoenicia ceased to exist as a civilisation after the conquest of "Joshua".
Here you seem to be relying too heavily on very poor Biblical history, which is in this case pretty far off. The Phoenicians moved north and began a new polity BECAUSE of the Hebrew presence. Joshua may not have been an actual person. Saul was the first Hebrew king - about 1020 B.C. Canaan was a complicated place of many cities before the Hebrews took control of part of it. Canaan was a complicated place of many cities after the Hebrews were no more.
Which takes us to your next dilemma: what makes the so-called Hebrews "unique"? If they, like everybody else in the region, got their religious concepts as a result of interaction with others then this was hardly unique in history.
A sausage is made of all the leftover and undesirable pieces of beef or pork. Yet the sausage in it's own right, is unique and delicious - I can't make it any simpler for you.
But somehow I dont think any of this will sway your long held perceptions of that particular Semitic people as you seem to be one of them African Hebrew Israelite types, hence the dramatic tales of historical genocides and "secrets" hidden.
Accurate scholarship is an agenda onto itself. And with Accurate scholarship, there are few "secrets" hidden.
Genocide does not require that every single soul be killed.
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"Canaan was a complicated place of many cities after the Hebrews were no more."
^ there you go again. This is misleading as their descendants (Semitic peoples) are still around today in said region. Like I said the so-called Hebrews were not "destroyed". Lets me make this as simple as possible without getting into minute details of Canaanite and Israelite civilisation: the people we know today as "Hebrews" were not hapless victims with a uniquely virtuous religion or culture; they committed acts of genocide on others and in turned suffered massacres and persecution themselves. They were not "persecuted" however for their faith; no one gave a **** about their syncretic religion. All that happened was that they rebelled against their colonial overlords the Romans and got their asses kicked. It did not "destroy" them and they were not dispersed across the globe as a result.
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Qur'an 033.027 YUSUFALI: And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, and of a land which ye had not frequented (before). And Allah has power over all things.
PICKTHAL: And He caused you to inherit their land and their houses and their wealth, and land ye have not trodden. Allah is ever Able to do all things.
SHAKIR: And He made you heirs to their land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden, and Allah has power over all things.
Could this verse mean
he made the Moslems heir to their lands and the AND in bold meaning other lands like for instance Indonesia ?
the word AND being the critical word meaning also
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akoben - here are some pictures of ancient Canaanites, Phoenicians, and Hebrews. If you know of any existing communities of people that look like them in the Levant. PLEASE let the world know. This discovery will make you rich and famous!
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Hermione Heliotrope - Your question about Indonesia caught me off-guard. I have never studied any country post Islamic - to me that’s the end, so why bother.
As you may know previous to Islam, the Indonesians were Buddhist and Hindu. The last great kindom of Indonesia was Majapahit; but however it was short-lived; the Empire began to decline after the death of its prime minister "Gajah Mada" in 1364 A.D. And it was further weakened after the death of its king, Hayam Wuruk in 1389 A.D. Added to that was a war over succession by his two sons, which started in 1401 A.D, and went on for four years. Majapahit also had the added headache, of trying to control the rising power of the Muslim Sultanate of Malay (he had married a Muslim princess and claimed that he was a descendant of Alexander).
Finally in the 15th century A.D, the end of Majapahit came with the spread of Islam, and the rise of the Islamic states along the northern coast of Java.
However a large number of courtiers, artisans, priests, and members of the royal family moved east to the island of Bali at the end of the Majapahit kingdom. Here they remained isolated, until the late 19th and early 20th centuries, when Dutch colonials mounted a military expedition, and took control of their islands.
According to this Wiki article, the conversion to Islam was peaceful.
The spread of Islam (1200 - 1600) Main article: The spread of Islam in Indonesia (1200 to 1600) The first Indonesians to adopt Islam are thought to have done so as early as the eleventh century, although Muslims had visited Indonesia early in the Muslim era. The spread of Islam was driven by increasing trade links outside of the archipelago; in general, traders and the royalty of major kingdoms were the first to adopt the new religion. Dominant kingdoms included Mataram in Central Java, and the sultanates of Ternate and Tidore in the Maluku Islands to the east. By the end of the thirteenth century, Islam had been established in North Sumatra; by the fourteenth in northeast Malaya, Brunei, the southern Philippines and among some courtiers of East Java; and the fifteenth in Malacca and other areas of the Malay Peninsula. Through assimilation Islam had supplanted Hinduism and Buddhism as the dominant religion of Java and Sumatra by the end of the 16th century. At this time, only Bali retained a Hindu majority and the outer islands remained largely animist but would adopt Islam and Christianity in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: akoben - here are some pictures of ancient Canaanites, Phoenicians, and Hebrews. If you know of any existing communities of people that look like them in the Levant. PLEASE let the world know. This discovery will make you rich and famous!
So are you now going back to your previous position that the Hebrews all died off? Remember you said they still lived and some moved in the general area and North Africa. So which is it? And your photo spam doesn't prove anything as 1) descendants dont necessarily look exactly like their ancestors, especially in a region so diverse 2) the people of S.W. Asia were not a racial monolith to begin with as Egyptian reliefs show. Even your own Wiki source shows different "racial types" from your familiar photo spams.
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akoben - Your responses are becoming increasingly juvenile. You may have been exposed to DJ and the gang for too long. But if it's just that you are having a bad day, why not take a nap?
Then when you get up, you can put your questions into concise and coherent form. But please leave the thing about Hebrews dying off alone, you really have gotten too silly with that, what are you, six years old, and can't understand that there are numbers between 0 and 100?
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Look, either their descendants exist today in the region or not. You clearly can't seem to make up your mind if they are still around. As far as I am concerned they are in the region and I need more than photo spams prove they are no more. We will just have to agree to disagree on this. No harm no foul.
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^^Don't know for sure, caption was accepted as is. From appearance, the man in the front (bearded) is likely the Canaanite.
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C'mon Mikey, didn't you make up the posted image as captioned? After all, it is from your website.
Do you even know what your posted cropping details in full? I mean do you have any idea of what is really going on in that scene?
If you don't know these things from researching at least three reports or translating the Rn Mdw for yourself you should be extra careful about what you write in caption, less you be guilty of what you accuse the white bogeymen of doing -- spreading liar history.
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^^^Listen you ignorant, pompous, low-life piece of sh1t. You asked me a civil question, and I gave you a civil answer. But I knew that your ignorant dumb-ass would come back with something stupid. Why, because you have nothing else to say but stupid sh1t. So do us both a favor, every time your teeny little mind thinks to fuch with me, slap yourself until the thought goes away.
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Thanks for proving once again that you're as clueless as a jack asses ass when it comes to what ancient art is portraying.
If my assessment of you is untrue just answer my questions
quote:Do you even know what your posted cropping details in full? I mean do you have any idea of what is really going on in that scene?
or go flame on again and prove your ignorance and that you're abusive as well as a liar.
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Aw, don't get mad. Just tell us which one is Yehu and if you cop out again claiming you don't know then why did you make up that caption that says Yehu is in the picture.
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
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While we're at it Mikey my boy what evidence other than that fanciful imagination of yours do you have that this posted image you labeled taken from your website (so stop making pretend you have nothing to do with the captioned comments tacked onto the ancient art) is what you claim it to be, a 'Jew.'
And please try responding with something a tad more substantial than a frustrated emotion outburst that doesn't hide the fact you're clueless and have no answer.
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
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Yeah looks more Egyptian to me. What with Anubis and Horus in the background.
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quote:Originally posted by Herukhuti: Yeah looks more Egyptian to me. What with Anubis and Horus in the background.
Does it? Oh yeah, right. Egyptian gods, goddesses, and icons were only found in Egypt. Thanks Herukhuti, your knowledge, insight, and pursuit of knowledge, is an invaluable asset to this board, nay, to all mankind. Your mother must be very proud.
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Well, the reclining pose has something Greco-Roman in general about it, the written text looks like Latin characters, the spirituality of the depicted person is indisputably Egyptian as attested by Anubis and Horus, and Hermene doesn't appear to be a Hebrew name. Judging from the inscription the transliteration is KRMEINE
The depicted woman could be an Egyptian or a Roman of the 'Iside' Mysteries for what little I know and can guess from the above clues.
I await correction from the good (br)other Mikey who must have good sources for Hermene's 'Jew' identity. Posts: 8014 | From: the Tekrur in the Western Sahel | Registered: Feb 2006
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Compulsive Personality Obsessive Perfectionism by Sam Vaknin
People with the Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder (OCPD) are concerned (worried and anxious) about maintaining control and about being seen to be maintaining it.
It is easy to spot an Obsessive-Compulsive. They are constantly drawing up and dreaming up lists, rules, orders, rituals, and organizational schemes. They demand from themselves and from others perfection and an inordinate attention to minutia (trivial sh1t).
Actually, they place greater value on compiling and following rigid schedules and checklists than on the activity itself or its goals. Simply put, Obsessive-Compulsives are unable to see the wood for the trees. This insistence on in-depth scrutiny of every detail frequently results in paralysis.Posts: 22721 | Registered: Oct 2005
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Good description of yourself artist as to why you insist on foisting frauds on the innocent or naive ones you bullshitting con artist you.
But still doesn't answer
* Which one is the 'headman' and which one is 'his spearman?'
* didn't you make up the posted image as captioned? After all, it is from your website.
* Do you even know what your posted cropping details in full?
* do you have any idea of what is really going on in that scene?
* you don't know -- then why did you make up those captions
* what evidence do you have that Hermene is a Jew
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Of course we all know you're useless when it comes to backing up your propaganda, nothing new.
Quit jivin' around and please try responding with something a tad more substantial than another pop psychiatry frustrated emotion outburst that doesn't hide the fact you remain clueless and have no answer.
Really it'd be simple enough to take me up on my advice and try researching at least three reports or translating the languages for yourself else be extra careful about what you write in caption, less you be guilty of what you accuse your white bogeymen of doing -- spreading liar history.
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Compulsive Personality Obsessive Perfectionism by Sam Vaknin
People with the Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder (OCPD) are concerned (worried and anxious) about maintaining control and about being seen to be maintaining it.
It is easy to spot an Obsessive-Compulsive. They are constantly drawing up and dreaming up lists, rules, orders, rituals, and organizational schemes. They demand from themselves and from others perfection and an inordinate attention to minutia (trivial sh1t).
Actually, they place greater value on compiling and following rigid schedules and checklists than on the activity itself or its goals. Simply put, Obsessive-Compulsives are unable to see the wood for the trees. This insistence on in-depth scrutiny of every detail frequently results in paralysis.
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Gosh darn it, kid. Ya let us down, didn't even try. Mike you've been duly exposed as a flim-flam fraud. And even worse, it looks like you're stuck on stupid. Really, it's not stupifying. Just do a little research.
Compulsive Personality Obsessive Perfectionism by Sam Vaknin
People with the Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder (OCPD) are concerned (worried and anxious) about maintaining control and about being seen to be maintaining it.
It is easy to spot an Obsessive-Compulsive. They are constantly drawing up and dreaming up lists, rules, orders, rituals, and organizational schemes. They demand from themselves and from others perfection and an inordinate attention to minutia (trivial sh1t).
Actually, they place greater value on compiling and following rigid schedules and checklists than on the activity itself or its goals. Simply put, Obsessive-Compulsives are unable to see the wood for the trees. This insistence on in-depth scrutiny of every detail frequently results in paralysis.
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Hey Mr. Stuck-On-Stupid is this your emm-o, that the art is what I say it is because I need it to be so for my idiotology and don't confuse me with any facts or I'll play ostrich and stick my head in the pop psychiatry ad hominem quip book but leave my butt exposed for the whipping it justly deserves and will fo sho receive.
Compulsive Personality Obsessive Perfectionism by Sam Vaknin
People with the Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder (OCPD) are concerned (worried and anxious) about maintaining control and about being seen to be maintaining it.
It is easy to spot an Obsessive-Compulsive. They are constantly drawing up and dreaming up lists, rules, orders, rituals, and organizational schemes. They demand from themselves and from others perfection and an inordinate attention to minutia (trivial sh1t).
Actually, they place greater value on compiling and following rigid schedules and checklists than on the activity itself or its goals. Simply put, Obsessive-Compulsives are unable to see the wood for the trees. This insistence on in-depth scrutiny of every detail frequently results in paralysis.
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It has become painfully apparent that there are some who mainly lurk, but are unhappy doing so. They would like to participate more fully in the give-and-take of the forum. But they feel themselves lacking in the intellectual necessities for posting substantive issues on the forum.
So they unhappily content themselves with nit-picking the trivial, and other inane pursuits. This is not necessary, there is a wide range of subjects that these people could post on the forum and expect energetic repartee.
To get things moving, I offer these suggestions.
The Joys and hazards of navel lint removal. This one is particularly well suited to people who are fascinated by minutia.
Pharaohic Flatulence – Ill wind or blessing from below. alTakruri is encouraged NOT to investigate this one quite so closely.
Hebrew sexuality – Did they really do it through a hole in the sheets, like the White ones do today? alTakruri is sworn not to tell, but a subtle nod would suffice.
It is in all our interests to keep these people busy, and out of our hair. So I encourage everyone to suggest topics for them to discuss.Posts: 22721 | Registered: Oct 2005
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It has become painfully apparent that there are some who mainly lurk, but are unhappy doing so. They would like to participate more fully in the give-and-take of the forum. But they feel themselves lacking in the intellectual necessities for posting substantive issues on the forum.
So they unhappily content themselves with nit-picking the trivial, and other inane pursuits. This is not necessary, there is a wide range of subjects that these people could post on the forum and expect energetic repartee.
To get things moving, I offer these suggestions.
The Joys and hazards of navel lint removal. This one is particularly well suited to people who are fascinated by minutia.
Pharaohic Flatulence – Ill wind or blessing from below. alTakruri is encouraged NOT to investigate this one quite so closely.
Hebrew sexuality – Did they really do it through a hole in the sheets, like the White ones do today? alTakruri is sworn not to tell, but a subtle nod would suffice.
It is in all our interests to keep these people busy, and out of our hair. So I encourage everyone to suggest topics for them to discuss.
Damn; I went to a lot of trouble finding things that you could talk about and not get a headache. It's for YOU, use it.Posts: 22721 | Registered: Oct 2005
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