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I had this idea swerling around in my head for awhile,i know the 25th is rated very high on most people list of dynasties, including my self.but i cant get over the fact that this is the dynasty that saw major power shift in that part of the world,that saw the gradual decline of what i consider black power. the losing of Kemet was under their watch,the fallout of which was devastating.no longer would eurasia look upon Africans with aw,gone were the days when Ribb-Addi tremble before the might of his majesty. for a time people would remember but not fear,as the centuries past they would forget and they would even question our humanity but in an earlier time the lands inhabited by black peoples is the very land the gods came from.the beginning of the end came at the final battle between the assyrians and kush controlled nile valley-lavant. the question how and why did that happened. i therefore call for a general court martial against members of the 25th dynasty Posts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
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Wanted lawyers for the defence. wanted lawyers for the prosecution. wanted a judge. wanted a grand jury charges being filed. Derillication of military duties. political short sightness. canididates should signup for positions.
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I had this idea swerling around in my head for awhile,i know the 25th is rated very high on most people list of dynasties, including my self.but i cant get over the fact that this is the dynasty that saw major power shift in that part of the world,that saw the gradual decline of what i consider black power. the losing of Kemet was under their watch,the fallout of which was devastating.no longer would eurasia look upon Africans with aw,gone were the days when Ribb-Addi tremble before the might of his majesty. for a time people would remember but not fear,as the centuries past they would forget and they would even question our humanity but in an earlier time the lands inhabited by black peoples is the very land the gods came from.the beginning of the end came at the final battle between the assyrians and kush controlled nile valley-lavant. the question how and why did that happened. i therefore call for a general court martial against members of the 25th dynasty
Actually, the 25th Dynasty sought to bring back the southern traditions of Kemet. They also united the nation, after a period of relative political division. But of course, like other Dynasties they eventually declined. Advancements in writing occurred under their watch, before its further development was carried over onto the dynasty era that followed; in particular, Demotic, and hence, its derivative 'Meroitic'. It would be inaccurate to say that the loosing of Kemet occurred under their watch. There was foreign rule in the region prior to 25th Dynasty; remember! Furthermore, there were a number of native Dynasties that followed the 25th Dynasty.
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The Exlporer thanx for responding,all you said is true,but i-am playing arm chair general with 20/20 hign sight,1st lets deal with Piankhi,he set the stage after conquring the nile valley all the way to the med. he let the memebers of the 23rd daynasty walk.mainly Tefnakht and his people, these guys was to prove threasonus in the dacades to come, they would stall when support was needed and sided with a non nile valley power when the had chance.Paiankhi's sucessers would follow the same policely, with the exception of Shabaka who had to burn Tefnakht's son Osorkon as for treason.in my view Piankhi should have clean house throughly from the begining.next comes militery preparedness.the Assyarians to the time to modernize their armed forces,ex heavy armor and most importantly iron weaponery.hence the charge derelication of military preparedness. now they had spies,because they traded trained horses to the Assyarians,and who in the ancient and sometimes in the modern world dident use traders as spies.then there is Tanwetamani who ignobley abondons the city of Nowi(Thebes),and retreat to Kush never to return. you see Explorer the following dynasties,were basically uncle tom dynasties.the turned increasingly to the newly emergining Medit. powers and i believe some of the 26th,27th had connections to the 24th dyns.i maybe wrong but iam sure some will correct me. the later dynasties will be charge for treason and gross incompitence. Posts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
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The 25th dynasty was the clearest sign of the extent of Egyptian decline which began after Ramses III. The fact that egypt was over run by a black african dynasty from Nubia was just the culmination of a long decline.
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^ LOL! Did someone lie that this dude is lucid!
Egypt was finally over run in Dynasty XX with the allied enemy combatants shown here.
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American Patriot.dont get it twisted look at what the Explorer wrote which is very true, my point is they let themselves got done in by remrants of the previous dynasty by granting them life. on the military side they did not keep up on the new technology of the day iron although they may very well know it's secrets for sometime.i beleive the ending of this dynasty was pivtiol,because things would never be the same. increasingly the following dynasties would look to wards the Medit. look what happened during the reign of Apries and Nectanebo,Amaisis and others invited the Greeks at the expence of the Nile Valley traditional defenders 250,000 dessereted to Merowi,i beleive that if Piankhi had stomped them out at the begining and move his residence permentely to Kemet where he could a better eye on the Delta his brother and his son and grand sons would be in a stronger position to defened the empire from forign powers.
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Egypt was doomed after the 20th dynasty. Other strong powers were building up in the region and their isolation no longer protected them. All civilizations run out of gas sooner or later and they had a long run at the top. They would have never been able to withstand the Greeks and certanily not the Romans. The conquest of Egypt by the Nubians showed their weakness and it could never have been reversed.
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^ Many factors contributed to Egypt's downfall, but contrary to your home grown Texas racist views, Nubian participation certainly isn't one of them.
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Egypt came out of isolation long before 20th dynasty. Why is anybody even taking this red neck serious is beyond me. lol
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quote:Originally posted by TheAmericanPatriot: The 25th dynasty was the clearest sign of the extent of Egyptian decline which began after Ramses III. The fact that egypt was over run by a black african dynasty from Nubia was just the culmination of a long decline.
You are a racialist historical revisionist. The fact that so-called" Nubians were "Black Africans" is a redundant observation and according to Frank Yurco:
"Among the foreigners, the Nubians were closest ethnically to the Egyptians."
Hence, the Dynasties previous were with few exception also "Black African" ones. Goes without saying since Egypt was established from the south.
The Nubian dynasty was one of rejuvenation and the Kushite Pharaohs received full blessings from the priests of Ammon. Those intent on destroying or overthrowing Egypt were non-African and no non-African foreign rulers ever received such blessings. The native African dynasties were signs of Egyptian strength and nationalism, while the occupation of foreigners from Asia and Europe were the ultimate signs of weakness and decline. The 25th Dynasty was one of Egypt's last stands.
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quote:You are a historical racialist revisionist. The fact that so-called" Nubians were "Black Africans" is a redundant observation and according to Frank Yurco:
"Among the foreigners, the Nubians were closest ethnically to the Egyptians."
Hence, the Dynasties previous were with few exception also "Black African" ones. Goes without saying since Egypt was established from the south.
The Nubian dynasty was one of rejuvenation and the Kushite Pharaohs received full blessings from the priests of Ammon. Those intent on destroying or overthrowing Egypt were non-African and no non-African foreign rulers ever received such blessings. The native African dynasties were signs of Egyptian strength and nationalism, while the occupation of foreigners from Asia and Europe were the ultimate signs of weakness and decline.
This is indeed indisputable. The false dichotomy of "black African Nubian" vs "non black Egypt" is one that must be vigorously rejected before one can even move forward with a discussion of the 25th dynasty. Furthermore throughout their history Egyptians have looked south to Ta-Seti for national salvation whenever their country challenges from outsiders. The 25th dynasty was not looked at as outsiders but as restorers of the rightful order.
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quote: Egypt came out of isolation long before 20th dynasty. Why is anybody even taking this red neck serious is beyond me. lol
Professor Hore is our resident harlequin. No one really takes him seriously.
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Pat they were all blacks or came out of the African cultral universe,even the ones that truly sucks;from the 26th on down.my problem with the 25th, is they had the mandate of heaven per(Amun pristhood),and popular support from the people.but they to chose dick around with those who would sell Kemet out.and again not modernizing their armed forces,in the final battles their sword shattered against the enemeies. but after their retreat from Kemet back to Kush, the turn around and start producing iron on an industrial scale, they were nick named the Brimmingham of the ancient world but that was a little too late they had losted momentum.but like i said above they would still inspire respect for sometime to come but not paralizing fear they had been beaten,the spritual capital of that part of the black world was sacked.just imagin if the Vatican or Mecca was sacked and looted it's leading men and woman in chains being carried off to an enemeies land.the phycological effect must have been profound.
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you see Explorer the following dynasties,were basically uncle tom dynasties.the turned increasingly to the newly emergining Medit.
Which Dynasties are specifically these? I mean, it's politics as usual to make "convenient" and/or sometimes "temporary" strategic alliances to play potential rivals or opponents off against one another.
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Ok guys i am sorry i made some factual errors 1.Bocchoris was burnt alive not Osorkon 2.Pasamtik the 1st not Amasis who lost his garrison. 3.24th not 23rd i meant to say above.to the Explorer the 26th is especially clear.the rest i have to digup some of my dust covered books.Amaisis brought the Greeks into their temple universities,and grant them land rights in the Delta and beyond.while Pasamtik doled out top jobs to Greek mercs.btw guys i am prone to make spelling mistakes,as i am not a typist and i think faster than my fingers can hit the keys.any mistakes on my part please free to correct me Posts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
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Apocalypse, Nubians were a foreign nation who defeated Egypt, they did not restore anything.
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quote:Originally posted by TheAmericanPatriot: Apocalypse, Nubians were a foreign nation who defeated Egypt, they did not restore anything.
Sorry, but you obviously have not the faintest clue what you're talking about.
"When Gebel Barkal was lost to the Egyptians after Dynasty 20, the "Upper Egyptian kingship" was lost. The Kushites, by restoring "southern Karnak" and uniting it with "northern Karnak" revived this New Kingdom concept of kingship, which justified their assumption of the cap crown. The cap crown symbolized royal authority over the reunited domains of Amun, as granted by the god through Gebel Barkal. When the Kushites assumed control over "Upper Egypt," they wore a cap crown with one uraeus. When they assumed control of Lower Egypt, they added the second uraeus to their crown......"
---Timothy Kendall
^^As stated, the priests of Ammon in Upper Egypt treated the Kushite rulers as rightful claimants to the throne. Kendall notes interestingly as well that "Kemet", as understood during this era referred expressively to a unified Upper Egypt and Kush. Lower Egypt was the only part that they "defeated" as it was being occupied by foreign [non-Kemetic] rulers.
quote:Originally posted by TheAmericanPatriot: Apocalypse, Nubians were a foreign nation who defeated Egypt, they did not restore anything.
Actually Egyptians didn't know any "Nubians", however there was a particular location close to the 4th cataract where they extracted gold which they called nubt, a place of gold. The people of northern Sudan and the most southern region of Egypt were however known by numerous of names during dynastic times and were just an unruly extension of the Egyptian ethnicity. A so-called distinct Nubian entity is a modern construction that has no basis on Egyptian accounts.
I don't even know why you comment on these issues since your knowledge is obviously on the same level as a 12 year old kid who watched a couple of documentaries on discovery channel, sometimes the best thing to do is to just shut up and read, really.
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I done told ya'll. Hammer is a Welding instructor. He calls himself a Professor because that is what the dummies call him on Stormfront.
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3.24th not 23rd i meant to say above.to the Explorer the 26th is especially clear.the rest i have to digup some of my dust covered books.Amaisis brought the Greeks into their temple universities,and grant them land rights in the Delta and beyond.while Pasamtik doled out top jobs to Greek mercs.
Just to be clear, are you saying that Pasamtik's doing so, makes his Dynasty an "uncle tom" Dynasty?
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What I don't understand is how Patriot could have been on this forums for so long, yet he continues to use the same stupid and dumb arguements.
...because AmericanPatriot is an unwavering defender of American [and Eurocentric] imperialism in all its facets; yes, he is visibly unread too, but in his mind, it's in his best interest to do so, regardless of what facts relate. I find it interesting that some who have been here for a while, has still not figured this out about AmericanPatriot.
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In my opinion, The Explorer is right, the Nubians seemed more interested in saving rather that conquering. But there are valid elements to The AmericanPatriot's position.
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To The Expolorer the ans>is yes the 26th strike me as an uncle tom dyn.look i dont know if you have brothers, but if you do you proberely get into fist fight sometimes,but let some out side none familiy member jump in and start whailing on your brother and you would jump in and start beating the stuffings out of that mother-fornicator,that's what the 24th N 26 dyn did they side with none nile valley powers to fight against their brothers in culture;maybe i have been in Japan too long but from what i gather from Japanses midevial history. they are as separate as fingers to an open hand but closed togeather as fist when danger comes from abroad.
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I fail to comprehend this "Uncle Tom" BS applied by white boys. This is certainly not the first instance of Kush coming to the aid of Egypt. Were they so-called uncle tom in driving out the Hykos also?
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Mike,i dont deny the 25th.dyn.tried to repair that which was broken,but as with any major failure,in policy/military we need to find out what went wrong, and as far as i can see,they trusted members of the same families who would betray them over and over again,plus they did not take military prepardness to the next level.look the Assyrians did, and they came out on top.and look what happened after that ass whipping they went on to create the largest iron manufacturing plant in the world.they had the know how they had the money what else is missing political will? i dont know? thats why i am asking.
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Meninarnmer i did not called members of the 25th dyn.uncle toms i said the 26th read the above. and i would be carefull about linking the 25th, with the libaration from the hyksos because it was not the Kush who rendered aid but the Beja. at that time the kush was inliege with the Hyksos. remember Kamose and the captured messinger from the Hyksos king Salatis? if wrong king please correct me.btw iam not white but as black as ten midnights n loving it Posts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
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The Theban Upper Egypian kings of the 12th dynasty were a black dynasty. They are responsible for re-introducing Old Kingdom administrative centralization to Egypt. These black Theban rulers succeeded in expelling the Hykos out of Egypt, and even chasing them into Palestine and laying siege to their town of Sharuhen. In 1580BC they reunified Egypt for the third time with the founding of the renewed 18th Dynasty under Hatshepsut.
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HTey Meninarmer thanx for your input.but of course the 12th dyn.kings were blacks like most of the Kemetian kings,but the 12th dyn.kings were still kemetians,remember kemet is kemet and Kush is Kush,two civilizations on the nile,and if you are thinking about the prophicies of Nefer about Ta-seti,Ta-seti was still kemet,remember Ta-seti was the 1st nome of Kemet and if i remrmber some old E/S threads the Kush was a different ethno/linguestic group.although sharing a similar culture. kill the Nubia thing raise up the Kush.thats why it is very important to try and give people their proper names it avoids confusions.hey guy if we could try and replace the Greek,Roman and Arabic names with the original African names that would advance Africana studies a little more Posts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
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quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: The Theban Upper Egypian kings of the 12th dynasty were a black dynasty.
The 12th dynasty isn't distinct in this regard. Such an idea reflects the early and misguided interpretations of Flinders Petrie.
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quote:Originally posted by ackee: HTey Meninarmer thanx for your input.but of course the 12th dyn.kings were blacks like most of the Kemetian kings,but the 12th dyn.kings were still kemetians,remember kemet is kemet and Kush is Kush,two civilizations on the nile,and if you are thinking about the prophicies of Nefer about Ta-seti,Ta-seti was still kemet,remember Ta-seti was the 1st nome of Kemet and if i remrmber some old E/S threads the Kush was a different ethno/linguestic group.although sharing a similar culture. kill the Nubia thing raise up the Kush.thats why it is very important to try and give people their proper names it avoids confusions.hey guy if we could try and replace the Greek,Roman and Arabic names with the original African names that would advance Africana studies a little more
American Parrot uses the "Nubian" to mean, "black". He and others propose that none of these Old/Middle kingdom kings/pharaohs were black.
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quote:Originally posted by TheAmericanPatriot: The 25th dynasty was the clearest sign of the extent of Egyptian decline which began after Ramses III. The fact that egypt was over run by a black african dynasty from Nubia was just the culmination of a long decline.
You are a racialist historical revisionist. The fact that so-called" Nubians were "Black Africans" is a redundant observation and according to Frank Yurco:
"Among the foreigners, the Nubians were closest ethnically to the Egyptians."
Hence, the Dynasties previous were with few exception also "Black African" ones. Goes without saying since Egypt was established from the south.
The Nubian dynasty was one of rejuvenation and the Kushite Pharaohs received full blessings from the priests of Ammon. Those intent on destroying or overthrowing Egypt were non-African and no non-African foreign rulers ever received such blessings. The native African dynasties were signs of Egyptian strength and nationalism, while the occupation of foreigners from Asia and Europe were the ultimate signs of weakness and decline. The 25th Dynasty was one of Egypt's last stands.
So are you saying, like Yurco, that Egyptians and the Nubians were not the same people?
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quote:In 1580BC they reunified Egypt for the third time with the founding of the renewed 18th Dynasty under Hatshepsut.
The 18th dynasty was actually founded by Ahmose I who completed the task of expelling the Hyksos begun by his father Seqenenre Tao the Prince of Thebes. In a famous letter the Hyksos ruler of Avaris, Apepi I (Apophis), wrote to Seqenenre telling him that he (Apepi) and his people were unable to sleep because of the roar of hippopotami in Thebes (Thebes is 500 miles away from Avaris). He advised Seqenenre to remove the hippos from the canal. The letter exists only in fragment (at the British museum) so how the story ends is unknown but it remains a fascinating piece of history. One interpretation of the letter is that Apepi was a worshipper of Seth. The hippo was a sacred animal to the cult of Seth so the letter may have been a coded reference to the persecution of Apepi's adherents (asiatics?) in Thebes. Hatshepsut was Ahmose I's great grand daughter.
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To The Expolorer the ans>is yes the 26th strike me as an uncle tom dyn.look i dont know if you have brothers, but if you do you proberely get into fist fight sometimes,but let some out side none familiy member jump in and start whailing on your brother and you would jump in and start beating the stuffings out of that mother-fornicator,that's what the 24th N 26 dyn did they side with none nile valley powers to fight against their brothers in culture;maybe i have been in Japan too long but from what i gather from Japanses midevial history. they are as separate as fingers to an open hand but closed togeather as fist when danger comes from abroad.
The problem I see in your viewpoint, is that it doesn't take into account that the 26th Dynasty ruler was not recognized as a legitimate ruler [more inclined to a token one if anything] in its early days and had very little territorial authority if any, and it had to struggle to seize the more powerful position of the Kushitic rulers. In that circumstance, it seems the 26th Dynasty ruler chose to play politics to bring in outsiders, since he couldn't compete with the Kushites with insider allies, and played his rivals off one against another, until the Kushites were pushed back. It seems to me like politics as usual. Take the following perspective for instance, be as it may...
To all appearances, Psammetikhos I had been a loyal subject of his Assyrian overlords, but as that empire's glories waned, Psammetikhos took his opportunity to break their hold, and in so doing became the absolute ruler of Egypt.
During the remaining four decades of Psammetikhos I's rule, he continued to consolidate his power and bring the country under complete unity, something Egypt had really not seen in a number of years. He undertook a number of building projects, including fortresses in the Delta at Naukratis and Daphnae, as well as at Elephantine. He also greatly expanded the Serapeum at Saqqara.
After consolidating Egypt, militarily, Psammetikhos I was mostly concerned with keeping Egypt's sovereignty strong. There were expeditions into northern Nubia probably to discourage any further ambitions of the Kushite kings. In the north east, Babylon had become such an important power that the king actually formed an alliance with his old masters in Assyria in order to combat Babylon's growing menace. This enabled Egypt to obtain control of the Palestinian coast. There were also actions required on the Libyan frontier in order to combat the threat posed by the fugitive Delta princes. - Courtesy touregypt.netPosts: 7516 | From: Somewhere on Earth | Registered: Jan 2008
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To The Explorer i see your point,and they were not medieval Japanese after all,but i just thought cultural/religious unity would or could thrump politics.just imagine if they join the 25th both politically and familian in a truly unified government. they could still came out on top,and proberely extend their influence eastward but thats just my wishfull thinking. Posts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
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quote:Originally posted by Sundjata: ^^What do you mean in this case when you write "same" [people]??
Oh so now you don't know what is meant by "same people" when it comes to Egyptians and Nubians? Seems you've caught the Dj illness. Next you'll be spaming pics of "dark skin" Kushites versus brown skin Egyptians. lol
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^^Why can't you answer my question? I'm just trying to get a sense of your radical views. You always push so far to the left when it comes to these issues and basically accuse people of betrayal if they can stay practically centered on the most accurate aspects of the said issue and not argue in terms of Pathos. By "Nubia" I assume that both you and Yurco refer to the various ancient Sudanese groups collectively, who were contemporary with and contiguous to the ancient Egyptians. Again, what do you mean by "same"?? Are Jamaicans the "same people" as African-Americans? No. We have distinct identities despite a recent common origin, as was the case with the Egyptians [including Ta-Seti] and those collective groups directly to their south. Doesn't mean they had distinct biological origins. You are simpleminded and I presume you are still suffer from racial thinking or something.. Are you asking were they the same race? Are you that amateur? If not, what word are you looking for. Be precise. We are all people. What do you mean by same people, they are all the same what??
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Nice attempt at a recovery and distancing yourself from your speed reading of Yurco. You know damn well what I was referring to. Unfortunately your Jamaican/African America analogy does not apply as Yurco is merely resurrecting the old Egyptian/Nubian racial dichotomy. It is clear from a careful reading of him that he is merely substituting "race" with "ethnicity". So when he says "closest ethnically" what he is really saying, in old speak, is that there were different races at the time and of all the foreigners the Nubians were closest, but not the same racially (ethnically), to the Egyptians. Sounds familiar?
This is why he argues that the ancient Egyptians ignored race and absorbed "foreigners" (i.e. including Nubians). He claims the distinctions the Egyptians made with foreigners were not racial yet goes on to say these "foreigners" (like the Nubians) were distinguished by distinctive features and dress. What are these "distinctive features" you may ask? Why "realistic negroid features" of course. lol
In fact his arguments are strikingly similar to Hermann Junker, read Ampim's essay in Egypt Child of Africa. It's amazing the hypocrisy in here where you people chide Winters for old racial scholarship yet gleefully quote mainstream white scholars (e.g. Sforza) even though they do the same. Winters was right, you fools do look to whites and the mainstream for ultimate validation.
You're so blinded by your desire to be accepted by the mainstream you end speed reading these neo-Hamitic, anti-Diop mainstream "scholars", just like you all did Bernal, without realising their slight of hand. Now you want to wiggle your way out like you always do with insults and your typical pseudo elitist snobbery. lol
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Recovery from what, you paranoid schizophrenic weirdo? I noted an accurate observation from a noted authority who Euronuts like Patriot seem to respect, yet who himself has denounced racist interpretations concerning the historic Nile valley inhabitants. I don't care about the rest of your tangential rant that doesn't even address my original post [and your response], which was pretty insubstantial and obvious. The fact that you object to it only lends credence to the notion that you are a disgruntled Afrocentric freak with no self-esteem. What do you mean by "same"? What do YOU mean by "Nubain".. Who were the Nubians? Answer my questions or stop bothering me.
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^ there comes a time, son, when you have to swallow your false pride and admit your mistake.
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Take a deep breath son... breathe out...now admit you fucked up on the Yurco quote. Only then you will become a man.
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^ if you hadn't speed read him you would know where you fucked up. Then again, I think you do know but you're only saving face now. Grow up son.
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Speed read what? The BAR magazine article on the internet which is the only access you've ever had to his work? Again, was the quote wrong or something? I don't get it. Maybe you just like bitching. Posts: 4021 | From: Bay Area, CA | Registered: Mar 2007
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Actually I already addressed the quote. The ball is in your court to point out where I was wrong in my post. So far all you've been able to muster is your typical emotional-laden reply, all becuase I exposed your amazing gullibility! Honestly, I didn't expect it from you boy. But like I said, when it comes to mainstream you fools lose all reason and logic.
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^^I already alluded to your naivette in relying on one article to synthesize a man's views. Ball is not in my court. You claimed that he created a false dichotomy between Egyptians and Nubians. You point out some lofty examples about some of his more goofy interpretations of physical variation (of which I don't rely on) from that article to support this.
Yurco was an imperfect exception to the Eurocentric dogma at the time that imposed its self on the Black Athena debate and broader academia. Point is, you haven't really read his work if this is what your summary of his views are. He advocated fully that Egyptians were indigenous Africans, inextricably connected to the Nile valley and its people and held that attempts to detach Egypt from Africa were rooted in racism (see Frank Yurco, "An Egyptological Review," 1996 and Celenko et al, "Egypt in Africa", 1996).. He often quoted Keita, even if at times he misunderstood his work.
Now.. I asked you what do you mean by "Nubians" in an attempt to understand the claim of a collective [Nubian] identity being identical to the ancient Egyptian one.
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