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Though Poe wrote Black spark, White Fire, the Bass is suspect of Mr Poe because of his close involvement with David Horowitz, a bigoted, racist hatemongering man that happens to be Jewish. How can anyone who wrote a book like Poe's associate himself with Horowitz of all people?
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quote:Originally posted by Charlie Bass.: Though Poe wrote Black spark, White Fire, the Bass is suspect of Mr Poe because of his close involvement with David Horowitz, a bigoted, racist hatemongering man that happens to be Jewish. How can anyone who wrote a book like Poe's associate himself with Horowitz of all people?
"Black Spark, White Fire" is a well though out and nuanced investigation performed in a seemingly objective manner. One is aware that Richard Poe is a political conservative which may account for the relationship, thus alluding to the fact that Poe may hold social views counter to yours but should that diminish the facts as they stand in Black Spark, White Fire? What could his agenda have been?
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What facts are in Black Spark White Fire that wasn't said before by black scholars?
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Well Richard Poe is a self discribed conservative who loves his guns and the N.R.A as he himself declared.it was his love for the egyptian civilization that made him wrote the book and to publish it's logical conclusions,he wasn't trying to make nice to Blacks,just trying to be honest.
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quote:Originally posted by Charlie Bass.: Though Poe wrote Black spark, White Fire, the Bass is suspect of Mr Poe because of his close involvement with David Horowitz, a bigoted, racist hatemongering man that happens to be Jewish. How can anyone who wrote a book like Poe's associate himself with Horowitz of all people?
"Black Spark, White Fire" is a well though out and nuanced investigation performed in a seemingly objective manner. One is aware that Richard Poe is a political conservative which may account for the relationship, thus alluding to the fact that Poe may hold social views counter to yours but should that diminish the facts as they stand in Black Spark, White Fire? What could his agenda have been?
Social views? Do you even realize the kind of man David Horowitz is? Horowitz endorses and supports the view of Jared Taylor, how can Poe associate himself with someone like that and expect to been as being someone who supports black people?
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quote:Originally posted by akoben: What facts are in Black Spark White Fire that wasn't said before by black scholars?
Praise God, this Negro for once said something right without trolling.
In Poe's book, he mostly cites the works of Keita and the late Joseph Greenberg and none of what Poe has in his book regarding Egypt and Africa is new or ground breaking.
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quote:Originally posted by Charlie Bass.: how can Poe associate himself with someone like that and expect to been as being someone who supports black people?
Why are you always looking for a white to "support black people"? My god, talk about negro liberal pu$$ies.
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quote:Originally posted by Charlie Bass.: how can Poe associate himself with someone like that and expect to been as being someone who supports black people?
Why are you always looking for a white to "support black people"? My god, talk about negro liberal pu$$ies.
Mr. Bass cares nothing about needing anyone of any race to support something in order for it to be considered legit, if Clarence Thomas or Michael Steele supports something the Bass would trusts that no more than he would trust Jared Taylor supporting somebody.
The Bass is for anyone that tells the truth and says what needs to be say, a black face is not needed for an official cosign.
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Well Richard Poe is a self discribed conservative who loves his guns and the N.R.A as he himself declared.it was his love for the egyptian civilization that made him wrote the book and to publish it's logical conclusions,he wasn't trying to make nice to Blacks,just trying to be honest.
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With all the wild fire on the other side of E/S Black Land Black People thread,I didn't want to start yet another thread about what it means to to black in ancient Kemet. So Will post some of what the ancient non Kemetic peoples had to say about the Kemeties,plus it ties in with the current thread.
Now Akoben is indeed correct in pointing out that more often than not, a lot of people including Black people avoid black scholars like they have the plague, at least in public. yet when some white scholars like Poe,Martin Bernal and others make use of those same scholar's works they are regarded as cultural icons.Those same cultral icons then walk streight into a bank,while the original Black scholars end up into a nursing home and damned near lonely and ignored.We have got to get over our shyness about supporting our own,I do not say we can't criticze and hold them accountable but we should not shy away from them untill some White person deemed wise to recognize them.
This is old school: Diop:
WHAT WERE THE EGYPTIANS :
In contemporary descriptions of the ancient Egyptians,this question is never raised.Eyewithnesses of that period formally affirm that the Egyptians were Blacks,On several occasions Herodotus insists on the Negro character of the Egyptians and even uses this for indirect demonstrations.For example,to prove that the flooding of the Nile cannot be caused by melting snow, he cites,among other reasons he deems valid,the following obeservation:"It is cirtain that the natives are black with the heat...
To demonstrate that the Greek oracle is of Egyptian origin,Herodotus advances another argument: Lastly by calling the dove black,they (the Dodonaeans)indicated the woman was Egyptian...
To show that the inhabitants of Colchis were of Egyptian origin and had to be a part of Sesostris army who had settled in that region,Herodotus says :"The Egyptians said that they beleived the Colchians to be descended from the army of Sesostris.My own conjectures were founded,first,on the fact that they are black-skinned and have wooly hair...
Finally,concerning the population of India,Herodotus distinguishes between the Padaeans and other Indians,describing them as follows: "they ahve the same tint of skin,which approaches that of the Ethiopians.
Diodrus of Sicily writes:
The Ethiopians say that the Egyptians are one of their colonies which was brought to Egypt by Osiris.They even allege that this country was originally under water,but that the Nile,dragging much mud as it flowed from Ethiopia,had finally filled it in and made it apart of the continent...They add that from them,as from their authors and ancestors,the Egyptians get most of their laws.It is from them that the Egyptians have learned to honor their kings as gods and buried them with such pomp.The Ethiopians cite evidence that they are more ancient than the Egyptians,but it is usless to report that here.
Now all the above has been bourn out by archeology,linguestics and DNA findings but even for someone as high profile as Diop was how much credit did he get from us much less the establishment. Sometime we get a brother or a sister who present their case in AA's vanacular and although solid and air tight.they will get passed up infavor of someone with a Italian or German accent.Not to mention someone with "Ox..ford" accent.
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while, having knowledge beforehand on somethings before re-reading the book some time ago, i did have thoughts he could have presented things in a *totally* different (sometimes opposite) fashion, you have to remember where they who he's talking to are coming from.
Those to whom he speaks are they who are coming not from a point of prior knowledge and who may likely come from a biased (mostly white biased as far as bein informed goes) environment, be they black or white.
He's trying to reach potentially curious and open-minded blacks, and whites and meanwhile perhaps light an investigative *spark* for the investigative among them.
He, as a conservative may after all just not like the establishment being too-fake and cowardly in the face of open and honest dialogue and information.
Of course everyone's prettymuch biased in their own whichever ways, some peole for instance are biased to be open-minded (not sayin that's him as i'm a bit foggy on "Black Spark" A.T.M.).
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Not surprised that whenever someone or anyone is mentioned that "happens to be Jewish" that Wakoben's panties bunch up and he starts bitching! Posts: 26322 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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