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Here's some good images of Egyptians from the early dynasties.


Notice the blue eyes?

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What are the blue eyes suppose to signify? That he is white because of the Blue Eyes?

You mean like this child?



Blue eyes doesn't mean anything.

But why is it that people like you ignore soo much of Egypt and only focus on what you think is more like yourself?

What about all of these images?





This happens to actually have the Rod of Power in hand (I believe this is 3rd dynasty?):

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Originally posted by Brada-Anansi:
You mean you got hundreds of the same ol un-painted or faded sculptures spams??.

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Here's some good images of Egyptians from the early dynasties.


Notice the blue eyes?

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What are the blue eyes suppose to signify? That he is white because of the Blue Eyes?

You mean like this child?

Blue eyes doesn't mean anything.

But why is it that people like you ignore soo much of Egypt and only focus on what you think is more like yourself?

What about all of these images?

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Where can I find pictures of actual Egyptians(not the unpainted statues or fakes), Moors, and Carthaginians(not the fakes, i.e Roman bust of Hannibal), Ethiopians, Nubians, Moors for my high school class. I want to do a very good presentation of Black African Empires and I want them to get as pumped about it as they would Rome or Greece. If I can find some very good pictures then that would be great. Also off the subject I have a very large hispanic population in my classes and I want to glorify the south American empires, anyone know where I can find great pics.

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Why would a smart person try to present Non-Black Africans as the Beacons of Black African Glory? You should start with real Black Africans from West and South Africa and show why they were great in their own unique ways, without having to defend and support historical afrocentric lies. Take pride in your own people and your people's self-esteem will rise without having to attach yourselves to other people's achievements.

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It would not hurt to give these pictures a try for your H.S. class project.

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You know, since we are talking about Egypt at least you could do would be to use Nubians as an example of Black Africans to make your point.


But let me make a point - Bantu are to Egyptians what Samoans are to the Chinese.

So lets look at this analogy:

Here is a Samoan house:



Pretty much as sophisticated as they traditionally got. Similar to your point about Sub-Saharan Africans.

Here is a Chinese palace:



Chinese get very sophisticated.

Now are Samoans and Chinese people related?

They don't look that much alike!

Samoan:

Chinese:



But they are indeed the same people have a common ancestor. This is true for the Bantu speaking people of West Africa and the Egyptian people of NE Africa.

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Originally posted by alTakruri:
What those two have done is to show they can dictate
the direction of any thread having you all run around in
circles, making a lot of commotion but getting nowhere,
while they sit back and laugh at how easy it is to lead
you all around on a leash or by the hook in the nose.

So they've proven their superiority over you
since they never follow where you'd lead them
but you all stagnate and always follow their lead.

Anyway, that's how I see it (especially when you all
reply to posts by that one dried-out-shitt white cracker
who calls you nigger in practically every one of his posts.

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Simple Girl I apologize and thank you but I know of at least two of those statues that are fake, I also wanted some that preserved to such a degree that they still had the original coloring or paint.

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Hey Guys! I took alot of your advice and had an awesome series over Egypt, and no one batted an eye, also the other teacher who accompanied me encouraged the presentation, it went rather well. I will also present Carthage later, but I have almost no info except a study over body type by a guy named Pittard

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Great. No one can give you a hassle once you use solid scholarship and science. When mainstream publiations such as the Encyclopedia Encyclopedia of the Archaeology of Ancient Egypt say:

"There is now a sufficient body of evidence from modern studies of skeletal remains to indicate that the ancient Egyptians, especially southern Egyptians, exhibited physical characteristics that are within the range of variation for ancient and modern indigenous peoples of the Sahara and tropical Africa.. In general, the inhabitants of Upper Egypt and Nubia had the greatest biological affinity to people of the Sahara and more southerly areas." (Nancy C. Lovell, " Egyptians, physical anthropology of," in Encyclopedia of the Archaeology of Ancient Egypt, ed. Kathryn A. Bard and Steven Blake Shubert, ( London and New York: Routledge, 1999) pp 328-332)

along with about 20 other such mainstream publications saying similar things then you are on solid scientific ground.

The Pittard reference is backed up by modern research. The people of Carthage, we know included numerous Semitic speakers, called Phonecians, but it was a city built on African soil, there was also a heavy mixed population, which the Greeks themselves called Liby-Phonecians. The bulk of the population in region of Carthage were not Phonecians. Roman historian Diodorus Siculus mentions 4 different 'races' to make up Carthage- Phonecians, native North Africans, so-called Libyans, the mixed Liby-Phonecians, and then the nomadic Numidians who provided superb light cavalry forces.


Numidian horseman- artist conception by war gamer on wildfiregames.com

Historian Gregory Daly in his 2002 (Cannae: the experience of battle in the Second Punic War, pg 92) calls the Numidians "of Berber stock, possbily with some Negro admixture." Berbers though are a language category not a racial one and Berbers have always included a range of types including "Negroes". Nevertheless at least Daly seems to partially recognize that these ancient fighting men were not lily white types dashing to and fro on horses. As to the diverse types known as Libyo-Phonecians, Daly says:

"whenever Polybius mentions Libyans he specifically means the native subjects of Carthage, rather than the Numidians and Moors to the west of the city (Law, 1978, p.129). These groups, nowadays described as Libyco-Berbers (Desanges, 1981, p. 428), appear to have been essentially the same ethnic background- Berber stock, possibly with some Negro admixture.." pg 85, 92


As noted on a few older ES threads, remains deemed to be "Negroid" are not uncommon on Carthagian burial grounds,
and so-called "Negroid" variant is only one of a variety of 'black African' variants. Elongated Africans are another.
Short, light-skinned San are yet another. The references noted by the ES vets (Desanges) are also cited in the Daly military history. This is mainstream stuff.

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UNESCO: General History of Africa
Edited by Dr. G. Mokhtar
The Proto-Berbers
By J. Desanges

“In about -7000 there appeared men of fairly tall stature, of Mediterranean race but not devoid of Negroid characteristics. They are known as Capsians…”

“In the Punic burial grounds, Negroid remains were not rare and there were black auxiliaries in the Carthaginian army who were certainly NOT Nilotics.”


Keita in his important 1990, Studies of ancient crania in Norther Africa notes:

"Snowden (1970) and Desanges (1981) reference
various writers’ physical descriptions of
the ancient Maghreb’s inhabitants. In
various writers’ physical descriptions of
the ancient Maghreb’s inhabitants. In addition
to the presence of fair-skinned blonds,
various “Ethiopian” or “part-Ethiopian”
groups are described, near the coast and on
the southern slopes of the Atlas mountains.
“Ethiopians,” meaning dark-skinned peoples
usually having “ulotrichous” (wooly)
hair, are noted in various Greek accounts
and European coinage (Snowden, 1970). Hiernaux
(1975) interprets the finding of “subsaharan”
population affinities in living
Maghrebans as being solely the result of the
medieval transsaharan slave trade; it is
clear that this is not the case. Furthermore,
the blacks of the ancient Maghreb were apparently
not foreign or a caste.

Pittard (1924) notes with surprise the race of the
remains found in the Sarcophagus of the Priestess of’
Tanit in Carthage, noting them to be Negroid
(see also Bertholon and Chantre, 1913)."


So basically you are on solid ground in displaying the ordinary people and fighting forces of Carthage as a variable, diverse lot.


Tribal archer in Carthaginian forces- war gamer conception

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