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Did you want them to have dark skin like you ? Feeling lonely after finding out the hard truth that the majority of the world population tends toward the lighter complexion.
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quote:Originally posted by Gigantic: Did you want them to have dark skin like you ? Feeling lonely after finding out the hard truth that the majority of the world population tends toward the lighter complexion.
Damn boy, you sure are stupid!
Why don't you take a pictorial journey around the world.
Whites are the LEAST populace people on the planet.
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let us try again for the semi-literates. In part (with emphasis): "...Feeling lonely after finding out the hard truth that the majority of the world population tends toward the lighter complexion."
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quote:Originally posted by Gigantic: Did you want them to have dark skin like you ? Feeling lonely after finding out the hard truth that the majority of the world population tends toward the lighter complexion.
Damn boy, you sure are stupid!
Why don't you take a pictorial journey around the world.
Whites are the LEAST populace people on the planet.
Did anyone mention "white" people OR is that the typical AfrocenTRICK - strawman?
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Lion cub - I see that you have taken a page out of osirion's book - keep asking the same question until you get an answer that you like.
Sorry for both of you, but reality doesn't work like that. The truth is the truth, it doesn't change just because you don't like it.
I explained to you why the Chinese have a wide variety of skin colors in the bottom of the link below. You might as well accept it, because it won't change.
quote:Originally posted by the lion: why do many Chinese people have light skin?
Lion cub - I see that you have taken a page out of osirion's book - keep asking the same question until you get an answer that you like.
Sorry for both of you, but reality doesn't work like that. The truth is the truth, it doesn't change just because you don't like it.
I explained to you why the Chinese have a wide variety of skin colors in the bottom of the link below. You might as well accept it, because it won't change.
Your earlier post did not answer the question. The question was how did many Chinese get a light skin tone. Your posts on that earlier thread only talk about admixture after the fact not how these people developed light skin in the first place.
And yours is just one of many opinions.
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Thank you here are some excerpts from your above link:
Genetic Evidence for the Convergent Evolution of Light Skin in Europeans and East Asians Genetic Evidence for the Convergent Evolution of Light Skin in Europeans and East Asians
Heather L. Norton*,1, Rick A. Kittles{dagger}, Esteban Parra{ddagger}, Paul McKeigue§, Xianyun Mao*, Keith Cheng||,¶, Victor A. Canfield¶, Daniel G. Bradley#, Brian McEvoy# and Mark D. Shriver*
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Human skin pigmentation shows a strong positive correlation with ultraviolet radiation intensity, suggesting that variation in skin color is, at least partially, due to adaptation via natural selection. We investigated the evolution of pigmentation variation by testing for the presence of positive directional selection in 6 pigmentation genes using an empirical FST approach, through an examination of global diversity patterns of these genes in the Centre d'Etude du Polymorphisme Humain (CEPH)-Diversity Panel, and by exploring signatures of selection in data from the International HapMap project.
There are 2 primary explanations for the evolution of lighter skin in regions of low UVR. The first suggests that light skin is merely due to the relaxation of functional constraint and that derived alleles associated with lighter pigmentation may have simply drifted to high frequency in the absence of strong purifying selection (Brace 1963Go). The second explanation suggests that in lower UVR regions, positive selection would have favored mutations leading to lighter skin as a way to maximize cutaneous vitamin D synthesis (Rana et al. 1999Go; Jablonski and Chaplin 2000Go). Given the relatively recent arrival and divergence of humans in and across Europe and Asia, the most parsimonious evolution of light skin would involve such mutations arising in a proto-Eurasian population soon after humans left Africa. Consequently, these mutations should be shared between modern Asian and European populations. Alternatively, if separate existing functional variants were driven to high frequency in East Asian and Europeans or independent de novo mutations arose and were selected in each population after the divergence of Europeans and Asians, then these would be obvious as high allele frequency differences between modern European and East Asian populations. Reduced levels of heterozygosity surrounding the SLC24A5 A111G polymorphism in the European, but not East Asian, HapMap populations support the latter hypothesis (Lamason et al. 2005Go), as do reduced polymorphism levels based on full resequencing data from MATP in populations of European descent
Observed patterns of global skin pigmentation diversity and their correlation with environmental UV exposure suggest an adaptive response. Although we cannot rule out a role for sexual selection, our results support multiple genetic mechanisms for evolution of skin color. We provide evidence that at least 2 genes, ASIP and OCA2, probably play a shared role in shaping light and dark pigmentation across the globe. We have also firmly identified a further 3 genes (consistent with the results of previous studies: Lamason et al. 2005Go; Soejima et al. 2005Go), and potentially several more candidate loci, that have a significant effect in regional pigmentation phenotype. Our data strongly support independent genetic origins for the light skin phenotype in Europeans and East Asians arising after the divergence of modern European and East Asian populations.
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Quote from YOUR post: The second explanation suggests that in lower UVR regions, positive selection would have favored mutations leading to lighter skin as a way to maximize cutaneous vitamin D synthesis (Rana et al. 1999Go; Jablonski and Chaplin 2000Go).
The Evolution of Light Skin Color: Role of Vitamin D Disputed
Ashley H. Robins* Department of Medicine, Division of Pharmacology, University of Cape Town Medical School, Observatory, South Africa 7925
SKIN DEPIGMENTATION: THE VITAMIN D HYPOTHESIS
Originated by Murray (1934), the vitamin D hypothesis was revived and popularized by Loomis (1967), and, more recently, refined by Jablonski and Chaplin (2000) with the application of quantitative UVB data. It is based on the observation that the skin color of the world’s indigenous peoples follows a clinical distribution: the darkest populations inhabit the equatorial and tropical belt; the most pale-skinned the regions above 508N; and those of intermediate pigmentation the middle latitudes. Skin reflectances exhibit a highpositive and high-negative correlation with latitude
Quote: This cumulative storage property of vitamin D was neatly illustrated by a study of gardeners in Dundee, Scotland (568N), who worked outdoors throughout the year. They not only had considerably higher serum 25-OHD levels than indoor workers, but these levels increased from July (the month of maximum UVB exposure) until they peaked in November and December (when UVB was in sharp decline) (Devgun et al., 1981). At high latitudes, therefore, where vitamin D3 photosynthesis ceases during the winter months, the body maintains an acceptable vitamin D status on a year-round basis by mobilizing reservoirs in fat and other tissues that have been built up during the summer (Webb and Holick, 1988).
COME-ON BOYS - THERE IS ONLY ONE EXPLANATION FOR WHITE SKIN!!!
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^Mike, while I think you are on to something, there is still more to be studied. How do you explain Chinese or asian people, whose white skin predates the white European's? Am I to deduce from your words that they too are evolved albinos?
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quote:Originally posted by Gigantic: ^Mike, while I think you are on to something, there is still more to be studied. How do you explain Chinese or asian people, whose white skin predates the white European's? Am I to deduce from your words that they too are evolved albinos?
If East Asian skin predates white skin. Then, why do we find Asians buying skin lightening creams? Chinese people come in a variety of skin tones from brownish, yellowish and finally whitish. Asians possessed the gene SLC24A5 to produce natural pigmented skin. On the other hand, Whites have an substitue called threonine (Thr111) which prohibits whites from producing pigmented skin.
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quote:Originally posted by Gigantic: ^Mike, while I think you are on to something, there is still more to be studied. How do you explain Chinese or asian people, whose white skin predates the white European's? Am I to deduce from your words that they too are evolved albinos?
I know of no such thing, please explain what you mean.
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Now you know why east Asians are also pale. Thread OP answered, thread over.
quote:Originally posted by Khufu: Asians possessed the gene SLC24A5 to produce natural pigmented skin. On the other hand, Whites have an substitue called threonine (Thr111) which prohibits whites from producing pigmented skin.
Really? That's not what the genetics say.
"Polymorphisms in 2 genes, ASIP and OCA2, may play a shared role in shaping light and dark pigmentation across the globe, whereas SLC24A5, MATP, and TYR have a predominant role in the evolution of light skin in Europeans but not in East Asians."---Norton, Kittles et al.Posts: 6572 | From: N.Y.C....Capital of the World | Registered: Jun 2008
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quote:Originally posted by Gigantic: ^Mike, while I think you are on to something, there is still more to be studied. How do you explain Chinese or asian people, whose white skin predates the white European's? Am I to deduce from your words that they too are evolved albinos?
Is afronut concluding that whites came from albinos??
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What is the source of this photo? There is no link.
The Brazilians are a population often very mixed with Europeans. The woman looks about 80% black and the father is not pictured at all (I wonder why)
Why look at Brazil? Why not look at the motherland Africa with nearly if not a billion people? That's where we know there are plenty of 100% black people.
Here Mike, you're right, this is the origin of the people you hate, this brother on the left with the long pointy nose and straight hair.
You solved it Mike, Case closed
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"Polymorphisms in 2 genes, ASIP and OCA2, may play a shared role in shaping light and dark pigmentation across the globe, whereas SLC24A5, MATP, and TYR have a predominant role in the evolution of light skin in Europeans but not in East Asians."---Norton, Kittles et al. [/QB][/QUOTE]
I ment to say: The Thr111 allele of the SLC24A5 gene is the most common among whites/Europeans which prohibits whites from producing any form of skin pigmentation. while the Ala111 is more common in the Africans, Indigenous Americans, and East Asians populations.
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The Evolution of Light Skin Color: Role of Vitamin D Disputed
Ashley H. Robins* Department of Medicine, Division of Pharmacology, University of Cape Town Medical School, Observatory, South Africa 7925
SKIN DEPIGMENTATION: THE VITAMIN D HYPOTHESIS
Originated by Murray (1934), the vitamin D hypothesis was revived and popularized by Loomis (1967), and, more recently, refined by Jablonski and Chaplin (2000) with the application of quantitative UVB data. It is based on the observation that the skin color of the world’s indigenous peoples follows a clinical distribution: the darkest populations inhabit the equatorial and tropical belt; the most pale-skinned the regions above 508N; and those of intermediate pigmentation the middle latitudes. Skin reflectances exhibit a highpositive and high-negative correlation with latitude
Quote: This cumulative storage property of vitamin D was neatly illustrated by a study of gardeners in Dundee, Scotland (568N), who worked outdoors throughout the year. They not only had considerably higher serum 25-OHD levels than indoor workers, but these levels increased from July (the month of maximum UVB exposure) until they peaked in November and December (when UVB was in sharp decline) (Devgun et al., 1981). At high latitudes, therefore, where vitamin D3 photosynthesis ceases during the winter months, the body maintains an acceptable vitamin D status on a year-round basis by mobilizing reservoirs in fat and other tissues that have been built up during the summer (Webb and Holick, 1988).
COME-ON BOYS - THERE IS ONLY ONE EXPLANATION FOR WHITE SKIN!!!
There is no mention of albinism in this article. Here is the link that proves there is no mention of albinism:
So what is this new narrative now? These ancient white niggas got ostracized by the community as some ignorant brothers do today in Africa. Then they find enough or breed enough other Albinos to band together and go on a trip to the Caucus mountains. Then magically their noses get pointy ,their hair straightens and their body gets hairy. Then they come back for revenge and take over the whole world. I guess that's scientifical
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^^Click link, watch 9 minute 20 second video from geneticist Rick Kittles.
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^^Click link, watch 9 minute 20 second video from geneticist Rick Kittles.
article that is along with the Video you posted:
Vitamin D deficiency poses added risks for African-Americans by Tina Amirkiaiand Kate Howard March 16, 2010
Related Links Profile of Rick Kittles Vitamin D deficiencies—especially in African-Americans and people with darker skin tones—could raise the risk for developing conditions that include cancer, diabetes and cardiovascular disease, according to several new studies.
As many as 36 percent of Americans are vitamin D deficient, according to the National Center for Health Statistics. That number could be more than double for African-Americans, according to geneticist Rick Kittles, associate professor at the University of Chicago in the Biological Sciences Division. “Individuals who have moderate to high dark skin color make much less vitamin D,” Kittles said. “There have been some interesting studies recently which suggest that almost 75 percent of African Americans are vitamin D insufficient, which has a lot of implications as it relates to health of African-Americans.”
Vitamin D deficiency is called a “hidden epidemic” for darker-skinned people who have more melanin in the skin. High levels of melanin reduce the body’s ability to make vitamin D from sunlight exposure. In African-Americans it is called eumelanin.
“The brown-black pigment which is in our skin and gives us eye color and hair color is a protector of our skin cells from too much ultraviolet radiation. So it protects the skin from damage, DNA damage for the most part. The wavelength that melanin absorbs is the same wavelength that is needed to produce vitamin D,” Kittles said. “Those individuals with darker skin block that wavelength and so there’s less synthesis of vitamin D occurring.”
With a grant from the National Cancer Institute, Kittles is currently studying serum vitamin D and its effect on prostate cancer risk with respect to genes, UV exposure, skin color and diet.
Vitamin D is primarily produced by exposure to the sun’s ultraviolet rays. In the second layer of the skin, previtamin D is activated and transformed into vitamin D when exposed to UV rays. It is estimated that 15 minutes of daily sun could provide adequate vitamin D, although research is still being conducted.
Vitamin D appears to interact with virtually every tissue in the body. People living in areas such as Chicago, with limited sun exposure several months of the year, often are not manufacturing enough of the vitamin to sustain healthy living.
Kittles, as a dark-skinned African-American, said he takes 3,000 international units daily. He recommends people who live gloomy climates take upwards of 1,000 international units.
As of yet, there are no official recommended doses of vitamin D. But many scientists are trying to determine just how much people should get daily, either by taking supplements, eating more vitamin D-rich foods or from sun exposure. Studies published in the December 2008 issue of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition recommended 600 international units of daily vitamin D intake. This is higher than the 400 international units generally found in multivitamins.
Kittles is in favor of supplements. He said taking the vitamin in pill form is as good as sun exposure.
“The supplement is actually vitamin D3 and that’s the form that is converted to the active form in the body. From the time we take it, it’s absorbed and it’s converted,” Kittles said. “It’s pretty much similar to the equivalent of the vitamin D that you would make from sunlight exposure.”
Dr. Rohit Arora, a cardiologist and professor at Rosalind Franklin University of Medicine and Science in North Chicago, addressed the issue of vitamin D insufficiency and the correlation with cardiac problems in a 2009 article featured in the American Journal of Therapeutics. After compiling a series of studies and controlled trials, Arora said location can make a big difference.
“In some cases, people must rely on diet and supplements to get the necessary amount of vitamin D as exposure to sunlight just may not be adequate, particularly in the Northern part of North America for example,” he said.
“There’s been a lot of investigative work done on this area,” he said. “Basically, it boils down to the transference of calcium from the bones into the vascular system, which can be detrimental. Build up of that calcium increases the risk of rupture, heart attack and death.”
Arora points out that more research is necessary “to come to a clear conclusion addressing serum vitamin D levels with overall and cardiovascular mortality.”
Deficiencies could also be linked to genetics.
“Risk of deficiencies is pertinent to multiple factors such as genes —particularly in certain racial or ethnic mixes—the oral intake of vitamin D, and the exposure to sunlight,” he said.
Some experts believe that adults should take between 800 and 1,000 international units a day to adequately prevent bone loss and protect against chronic disorders.
Suggestions of increased sun exposure have sparked an intense debate about skin cancer risks.
“You want people to have higher levels of vitamin D so you say the natural way of doing it is just going outside and exposing yourself. However individuals with fair skin color are more prone to skin cancer because of the increased exposures,” Kittles said.
In addition to supplements, the Mayo Clinic suggests fatty fish, egg yolks and other fortified foods as good dietary sources of vitamin D.
Experts, including Arora and Kittles, recommend patients consult with their doctors to see if they are deficient and learn what they can do about it.
“We can do a laboratory test and can look at the various breakdowns of vitamin D, which can tell us if the patient is deficient,” Arora said
COME-ON BOYS - THERE IS ONLY ONE EXPLANATION FOR WHITE SKIN!!!
-take your vitamin D peoples
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Mindless one - Why don't you clue the boy in. We have already established that the vitamin D thing is pure bullsh1t, and that Kittles is a brother trying to sell pills.
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Mindless one - Why don't you clue the boy in. We have already established that the vitamin D thing is pure bullsh1t, and that Kittles is a brother trying to sell pills.
^^Yea sure Mike. Because your pictures explain way more than genetics.
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According to Mike111 The light skin of the people in the above photograph is due to ALBINISMPosts: 42937 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Lion cub - The reason that I used the Brazilian family, is because I wanted Albinos that looked EXACTLY like normal everyday White people.
And you have to admit, that if you saw them in Europe, it would never occur to you that they were Black people.
Dravidians would have been even better, but I have yet to find photos of Dravidian Albinos.
SEE, REGULAR AFRICAN ALBINOS JUST DON'T WORK AS WELL FOR DEMONSTRATING WHERE WHITE PEOPLE COME FROM - STRAIGHT HAIR IS NEEDED.
PLUS - DRAVIDIAN ALBINOS WERE LIKELY THE SOURCE OF THE WHITE RACE ANYWAY, SO I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO FIND SOME PHOTOS OF THEM.
Indian Albino boy....(East India)
Indian Albino girl ... (East India)
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: The reason that I used the Brazilian family, is because I wanted Albinos that looked EXACTLY like normal everyday White people.
Originally posted by Mike111: The reason that I used the Brazilian family, is because the father is not in the photo and Brazil is in South America
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Excellent photos Lion, but I need a family picture to authenticate the connection - can you provide that?
BTW - What do you make of this dumb-assed kid who usurped your moniker. That was a photo of Nicole Kidman that he posted above.
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let's say these albino Negros banned together, left Africa, went to the upper half of the world because it's less sunny.
It seems to have worked out for them, they now rule world.
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Yes, that is the truth and a fact.
See how easy being factual and truthful is?
Now if only White people could learn how to do that.
Take you for example, you can't even post a truthful picture.
White people learned the trappings of civilization from Black people, but they never learned HOW to be civilized.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111:Yes, that is the truth and a fact.
See how easy being factual and truthful is?
Now if only White people could learn how to do that.
Take you for example, you can't even post a truthful picture.
White people learned the trappings of civilization from Black people, but they never learned HOW to be civilized. [/qb]
I agree, black people are more civilized. By the way, the existence of "white people" is a myth. There are no "white people" They are just black people with a skin condition
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Quote: There are no "white people" They are just black people with a skin condition.
This is quite true, but we will not dwell on it. White people have invested greatly in their uniqueness - no sense in pissing them off, knowing how violent they are prone to become.
Plus, I don't know of any Black people who want to take responsibility for them.
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Lion - It's good that you are in a mellow mood, otherwise the question would seem like I'm fuching with you.
But this is a question that befuddles me: It has been said that a Tiger will have a Lion for lunch. What are your feelings on this matter?
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I have to keep posting this picture because nobody has really addressed the original question with a simple written paragraph or less answer to the question:
why do many Chinese people have light skin?
Please give a short written statement in your own words to answer this question instead of a three page copy and paste job with photos that doesn't really answer the question (or web link somewhere)
why do many Chinese people have light skin?
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^^What? Are you telling me you're not going to read what the leading geneticists have to say about the situation and instead want a paragraph written? Do you dispute what these geneticists have to say, if so let's hear your rebuttal...
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I have to keep posting this picture because nobody has really addressed the original question with a simple written paragraph or less answer to the question:
why do many Chinese people have light skin?
Please give a short statement to answer this question instead of a three page copy and paste job with photos that doesn't really answer the question
why do many Chinese people have light skin?
IDIOT!!!
The OBVIOUS answer is that they DO NOT!!!!
They have MIXED skin colors, which is analogous to a people with MIXED genes.
Original from Africa Mongols
Conquered by the White Zhou from the Tarim area (circa 1040 B.C.)
resulting in lighter skinned Mongols - WITH MIXED FEATURES!
UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!
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Because your pictures explain way more than genetics.
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Do you dispute what these geneticists have to say, if so let's hear your rebuttal...
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