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osirion - I don't recall if you were the first to post this bogus painting, but if you weren't, you should have been. This bogus painting compliments your unerring stupidity.
For everyone else, this is the source of this bogus painting. Scroll down about 1/8 of the page (right side).
Its hard for people to digest the image of the black Egyptians slaying some Arabs, but it seems to be quite an often event.
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quote:Originally posted by Truthcentric: Those look like Berbers to me.
A Sand N@gger is a Sand N@gger be they Iraqi, Jordanian, Pakistani, Saudi, Afgani, Turk..etc.
Gaddafi, Fawal,-Western Low life Arabs
Muhammed Ibn Abdullah, Piss be upon him, Muhammed Abed-Eastern Low life Arabs..
Where do the Berbers or So called Light skinned Berbers come from, Arab nomads, native North African blacks and white European slaves.
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Sorry but I don't think that scene can be used for skin colour because it's just a poor repro (actually it's an attempt at reconstruction) of a carving not a painting. If the real original had any paint it's long since faded away.
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Sorry but I don't think that scene can be used for skin colour because it's just a poor repro (actually it's an attempt at reconstruction) of a carving not a painting. If the real original had any paint it's long since faded away.
skin color is superficial
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Thanks for clearing that up about that pic of Egyptians trampling Asiatics.
What we need to realize is that I think the Kemetians did not regard Asiatics as highly as some would hope for them to. Matter of fact I think Ramses was the "Throat slitter of Asia".
We also know that Kemetians never tried to include anyone into their Kingdom except the "Nubians" so we know they had a better view of some Nubians then others and more so than Asiatics.
Peace
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With that side, does anyone know where the authetic relief is located?
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Throughout the Old Kingdom reliefs were often painted but during the 6th dynasty it was found to be less expensive to commission scenes painted directly on the walls of tombs although their magic was just as effective. Tomb painting came into it's own during the New Kingdom at Thebes. There, limestone was generally too poor and flaky for relief carving but the surface would be plastered over to provide a ground for painting. If alTakruri knew the location of this artwork he would have said so.
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Sorry but I don't think that scene can be used for skin colour because it's just a poor repro (actually it's an attempt at reconstruction) of a carving not a painting. If the real original had any paint it's long since faded away.
skin color is superficial
What about facial features? In this case don't you see that the Egyptian's facial features are common to East African people?
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: What about facial features? In this case don't you see that the Egyptian's facial features are common to East African people? [/QB]
quote:Originally posted by the lion: Userkaf, founder of the 5th Dynasty
It would help if you explain the significance of this bust which seems to hold your fascination. People are wondering...
...as you all seem to want to entertain this idiot's idiocy...
I have already explained Diop's observation of how the distortionists of African history use carefully selected angles in photographing Ancient Egyptian royalty, in order to portray a non-Black illusion; aside from also chiseling off or, when necessary, blowing off African noses on sculptures...
Here are other angles of the busts of 5th dynasty Pharaoh Usarkaf
...can we move along with the topic?
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what's wrong with this bust of Userkaf, Wally posted this bust? East Africans have these same features
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Just to be absolutely clear that the image shows Africans, in this case "Libyans," being trampled.
Nor does it have anything to do with ethnic likes or dislikes.
It's all about war. Chariot riding pharaohs trampling down Egypt's enemies is a New Kingdom motif. No enemy is spared. Sudanese, Libyans, Hittites, you name 'em, they're all worthy "roadkill."
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Thanks for clearing that up about that pic of Egyptians trampling Asiatics.
What we need to realize is that I think the Kemetians did not regard Asiatics as highly as some would hope for them to. Matter of fact I think Ramses was the "Throat slitter of Asia".
We also know that Kemetians never tried to include anyone into their Kingdom except the "Nubians" so we know they had a better view of some Nubians then others and more so than Asiatics.
Peace
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Oh please! The pharaoh's name is right there in the double cartouche. It's child's play for any one with minimal Egyptology skills to locate that pharaoh's building projects and records of military exploits and then find photos of the original wall reliefs just as I have.
It's not my fault neither of my distractors can not read hieroglyphics on even a tyro's level and I'm not giving away freebies to people who have nothing of any value to give to me.
quote:Originally posted by the lion: If alTakruri knew the location of this artwork he would have said so.
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Oh please! The pharaoh's name is right there in the double cartouche. It's child's play for any one with minimal Egyptology skills to locate
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri:that pharaoh's building projects and records of military exploits and then find photos of the original wall reliefs just as I have.
It's not my fault neither of my distractors can not read hieroglyphics on even a tyro's level and I'm not giving away freebies to people who have nothing of any value to give to me.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by the lion: If alTakruri knew the location of this artwork he would have said so.
It's not child's play, even professionals have difficulty in being accurate in some of these areas. Some people may be your "distractors" yet myself undefined, others aren't. Stop trying to be elitist about reading glyphs and depriving people of basic information about sources (assuming you are not bullshitting and do know the source-tomb location)
Be transparent and provide the King's name and location!!! What is the point of being mysterious if not to conceal the truth? Regardless of someone's "Egyptology skills" may not have bearing on whether they can locate a source photograph.
quote:Originally posted by alTakruriJust to be absolutely clear that the image shows Africans, in this case "Libyans," being trampled.
One thing that you have pointed out is that these are Libyan North Africans and not Hyksos. This corresponds to the Theban mapping project:
This corresponds to the characteristic: 1) side hair lock which hangs down below the chin, 2) the feathers at the top of the head 3) the straight cut of the hair at the bottom
Doctoris Scientia had the opinion that DNA indicated that even modern Mozabite Berbers of Algeria are 80% African despite a light complexion. So what you are saying about this relief also confirms that the people being attacked may North African 80% indigenous.
The problem here that comes up is how do we distinguish a Libyan from a Tamhau? Maybe they are of the same lineage. Yet a Libyan is of North Africa and doc tells us that they are 80% African. Then we have the Hyksos to further complicate matters. You are saying that the mural in question is not of Hyksos but of Libyans.
But putting aside Hyksos for a moment lets look at Tamahu and Libyans. We have establihed the hair style of Libyans. Now let's look at Tamahu.
the illustration is based on tomb of Rameses III.
-see upper right partial figure, supposedly Tamahu, correct me if I'm wrong. They are supposed to be "Asiatics" yet as with the Libyans they have this side lock of hair hanging below the chin.
Another figure is the lower bottom right with the headband. He is slightly darker, and with a headband. That indicates a Syrian Asiatic. He is not a problem.
The problem, if it is a problem is that the North African Libyan and the Asiatic Tamahu both have the same hairstyle. Can we assume they are the same people? How would doc's 80% African fit into that? Perhaps the ancient Tamahu were also 80% African even though they were living in Asia somewhere. But where exactly? It seems not far because they have that same hairstyle as Libyans unless I'm wrong. If you look at these murals it seems like there are characteristic hairstyles and clothing for different nationalities, Yet there seems to be unresolved issues in identifying some of them. Enter the Hyksos. Do they also have this side lock of hair that hangs down? That seems like a very distinctive detail. Mike111 posted some paintings. I forgot where they are which showed what he claimed were Hyksos again with the side locked hair. Can all these nationalities Libyan, Tamhau and Hyksos all have the same hair style? I suppose it's possible. But the appearance, not so much of Libyans or Syrians but of the appearance of
Tamahau and Hyksos
seems hard to pin down in terms of definite examples of clothing and hair style. Further than that,even their identity in general is hard to confirm archaeologically. As per the Tamahau maybe they are best defined as Libyans or "Africans west of Egypt" alTakruri does rather than Wally's definition: "European: Red/pale yellow people" On the other hand Champollion (quote below according to Wally as per Diop) did have the opinion that "Tamhou" were "all blonds and white-skinned people living not only in Europe, but Asia as well"..." a white skin of the most delicate shade, a nose straight or slightly arched, blue eyes, blond or reddish beard"
Has it not dawned on you yet that alTakruri is simply a bombastic fraud - once fawned upon, but only by the ignorant.
Tamahau ARE Libyans. The Ancient Egyptians mentioned many Libyan tribes. The most well-known and important tribes—on the basis of the Egyptian archaeological sources — were the Tjehenu, the Tamahu, the Libu (or Ribu), and the Meshwesh.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: the lion, a few points.
Has it not dawned on you yet that alTakruri is simply a bombastic fraud - once fawned upon, but only by the ignorant.
Tamahau ARE Libyans. The Ancient Egyptians mentioned many Libyan tribes. The most well-known and important tribes—on the basis of the Egyptian archaeological sources — were the Tjehenu, the Tamahu, the Libu (or Ribu), and the Meshwesh.
I think it isn't perfectly clear. You have listed wikipedia's entry for ancient Libyans. It would suggest that not all Libyans were Tamahu only one tribe
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The American Journal of Semetic Languages Jan 1935
pg 73:
Modern Research has two types of Libyans neighboring ancient Egypt. There were the brunets who were native Africans, presumably Hamites.... The other group was comparatively blond, with blue eyes.Presumably they had European connections... They were tattooedand their hair and beard were elaborately dressed, with the curling side-lock. The ordinary run of brunet Libyans, as distinct from the brunet chiefs, adopted something like this dress of the blonds: the long, open cloak worn over the phallic sheath, and the elaborate headdress with side-lock.
p 74:
"Some time before the Pyramid Age, a new racial group the Temeh, appeared along the Western frontier, extending as far south as Nubia. They were blond and probably gave to the Fourth Dynasty certain fair-haired queens.
p.78:
Again where color is preserved, the Libyan captives were shown with blue eyes. We noted at least a half-dozen such instances, with no certain cases of any other color.... The term "blond", in any case, is relative as the Temeh had lived in Africa for over a thousand years. _________________________________
"Queen Hetop-Heres II, of the Fourth Dynasty, the daughter of Cheops, the builder of the great pyramid, is shown in the colored bas reliefs of her tomb to have been a distinct blonde. Her hair is painted a bright yellow stippled with little red horizontal lines, and her skin is white." Coon, Carleton Stevens. The Races of Europe. New York City, Macmillan. 1939, p.98
It gives still another further genetically usable references. To the end of the 4th Dynasty (2500) the woman of Seshem-nofer in its Mastaba grave is depicted with yellow hair. She is the woman of a high dignitary. (Stevenson Smith)
In the grave of Meresankh III, the wife of Khafre (4th .Dynastie, 2700-2500) is depicted with short blond hair and pale-bluish gray eyes.(Siliotti ')
In the grave of Antefoker (12.Dyn., 1900) is shown the transport of a Sarkophages. Two women in the boat and a custodian are red-blond with grey blue eyes. (Michaloswski)
Coffin text (Faulkner) 467" heads are given to me, and I knit on the head of the Blue-eyedHorus, one who acts according to his desire." 586 "Hail to you, O Re, wearing your circlet! May you proceed to the councel chamber and reckon up your fathers who whatch for him who destroys doubles. O Blue-eyedone who freshens eyes, whose power is severe.—Re in his circlet—Re will stand up, for I have my circlet which is in my hand." (Anm. D. Übers. "determined with a crown appears in fact to have been a head-band or circlet" )
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri:
I've seen siege scenes where Hittites do wear woven garments similar to the leather garments of Libyans.
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Great Jew doesn't have to provide anything for anyone. He's superior because he is a member of the chosen race (albeit of the lower caste) and he's above sh!t. lol
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the Lion, after a few sensible posts, I see that you have reverted to your normal stupidly.
Perhaps alTakruri will help you pursue this line of thought. If your brain starts working again let me know.
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Stop making pretend you know what you're talking about when the fact is you don't and that you're totally clueless. But you want to act like you know that I don't know.
You talked about painting on limestone tomb walls to counter what I told you, that the original scene is in fact a carving today without any paint so that whoever did that reconstruction in the lead post was just making up the colors. You were quite simply wrong about the material and the method of the rendering of the original. You need to admit your error.
While crying about what professionals supposedly have a hard time doing you still fail to do the simplest thing I outlined. Don't ask me to do your homework. Follow the assignment I gave you and follow the steps to identifying the scene's subject and location.
1). Read the pharaoh's name in the double cartouche. 2). Research his military campaigns. 3). Research his building projects. 4). Put 1 2 and 3 together and you too will discover _ a the pharaoh's name _ b the building wall the scene is on _ c the city it is in
When you do the above you will appreciate the effort behind what appears to be a simple annoucement on my part and perhaps won't be so quick say what I would or would not do if I know what something really is.
Get busy and keep my name out of your mouth until you complete the assignment. You may even find you will want to thank me for imparting the methodology for accurately identifying an unprovenced piece of art or you can stew in your sauce like Mike111 and continue to misrepresent the identity and meaning of ancient art.
quote:Originally posted by the lion: It's not child's play, even professionals have difficulty in being accurate in some of these areas. Some people may be your "distractors" yet myself undefined, others aren't. Stop trying to be elitist about reading glyphs and depriving people of basic information about sources (assuming you are not bullshitting and do know the source-tomb location)
Be transparent and provide the King's name and location!!! What is the point of being mysterious if not to conceal the truth? Regardless of someone's "Egyptology skills" may not have bearing on whether they can locate a source photograph.
This is what I mean by familiarizing yourself with a topic before presuming to critique it. Tjenehu/Tehenu/THHNW Tjemehu/Tamehu/TMHHW Lebu/Rebu Meshwesh and others you can read about here are all "Libyans."
The term Libya(n) derives from the Lebu, the second westernmost people known to the Egyptians. In the 19th dynasty westerners were often generally called Tjemehu -- as in the Gate of Teka Hra document -- even though the Meshwesh were the head of the "Libyan" confederacy.
Don't confuse yourself. Tamahu are not Asiatics. If you hadn't been so quick to skim through the thread where you lifted the KV11f BG4:5s30 painting and actually read it some of the questions you've asked are already answered (and is why I haven't bothered to repeat myself when you didn't bother to read and digest what I wrote in the first place.
quote:Originally posted by the lion: The problem here that comes up is how do we distinguish a Libyan from a Tamhau?
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Actually I belong to the 2nd rank of the 1st caste.
For sure my foe, you are an intelligent man. So I invite you to take up the assignment I handed out to the one with the female avatar but who uses a masculine name tag.
If so you may say I provided quite well indeed by laying a lasting reapplicable cure instead of a momentary oneshot crutch.
quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: Great Jew doesn't have to provide anything for anyone. He's superior because he is a member of the chosen race (albeit of the lower caste) and he's above sh!t. lol
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I don't agree with every detail such as the use of the term "Hamites" necessarily but this journal is describing blue eyes and blond hair in the murals. Champollion as quoted by Diop says Tamahau were:
"all blonds and white-skinned people living not only in Europe, but Asia as well"..." a white skin of the most delicate shade, a nose straight or slightly arched, blue eyes, blond or reddish beard"
I'm not reverting to anything. It just doesn't seem like these statements about blue eyes would have been completely made up
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quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: Great Jew doesn't have to provide anything for anyone. He's superior because he is a member of the chosen race (albeit of the lower caste) and he's above sh!t. lol
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The description of Libyans as having hair and eyes corresponding to the Aryan stereotype is somehow the "Great Jew" because you read that the title of the journal was "Semitic Languages" lol
Vols. for 1892-1941 issued by the Dept. of Oriental Languages and Civilizations, University of Chicago under varies names: Dept. of Semitic Languages and Literatures; Dept. of Oriental Languages and Literatures
Title varies: Mar. 1884-July 1895, Hebraica
Superseded by the Journal of near eastern studies
The Journal of Near Eastern Studies is an academic journal published by the University of Chicago Press, devoted to examination of the ancient and medieval civilizations of the Near East. Appearing in its pages are contributions from scholars of international reputation on archaeology, art, history, literature, linguistics, religion, law, and science. Old Testament and Islamic studies are also featured.
JNES was founded in 1884 by William Rainey Harper as. In 1895 it was renamed the American Journal of Semitic Languages and Literatures, finally becoming JNES in 1942. It is the only US journal exclusively devoted to the subject. It is published quarterly. Volume 65 began in January 2006.
William Rainey Harper (July 26, 1856 – January 10, 1906) was a noted academic who helped to organize the University of Chicago and Bradley University and served as the first President of both institutions.
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The description of Libyans as having hair and eyes corresponding to the Aryan stereotype is somehow the "Great Jew" because you read that the title of the journal was "Semitic Languages" lol
Bitch you are so stupid...
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Actually I belong to the 2nd rank of the 1st caste.
Don't know what the fock that means but (if you are indeed black) you are definitely the nigger in that Marxist Zionist apartheid state.
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The description of Libyans as having hair and eyes corresponding to the Aryan stereotype is somehow the "Great Jew" because you read that the title of the journal was "Semitic Languages" lol
Bitch you are so stupid...
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Actually I belong to the 2nd rank of the 1st caste.
Don't know what the fock that means but (if you are indeed black) you are definitely the nigger in that Marxist Zionist apartheid state.
Hey Dumb Dumb Why not go rally on stormfront, you pale white devil?
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Where are the blonde Namou Champollion claims was in all the BG4:5v30 scene in the tombs of the Valley of the Kings and that early 20th century Egyptologist parrot? Slight of hand perhaps or deliberate disinformation to see themselves (NW Europeans) in ancient Egypt at any cost?
Hmmm. Which ethny in these BG4:5s30 examples have yellow or red colored hair and tell which ethny uniformily has brown-black colored hair?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by alTakruri: [QB] Actually I belong to the 2nd rank of the 1st caste.
For sure my foe, you are an intelligent man. So I invite you to take up the assignment I handed out to the one with the female avatar but who uses a masculine name tag.
If so you may say I provided quite well indeed by laying a lasting reapplicable cure instead of a momentary oneshot crutch.
please master,
what do you mean that you belong the 2nd rank of the 1st caste. What rank and caste? Why are you calling me a man? I have never believed a female who acts should call herself an "actress". We are all actors. Never mind me. You are depriving everybody here by keeping information secret and assigning homework assignments that you don't expect people to actually do or be able to do, further concealing information. Why not make the information easy so you can advance all these people to stop using what you over and over again this picture in the initial post, not by me but by osirion and others before him.
You called it a "poor"reproduction. Why do you call it a "poor" reproduction? What's poor about it?
And if it's a reproduction does that necessarily mean that it's a modern reproduction? How do we know it's not a painted reproduction by an AE of a relief from one tomb into another tomb as a painting. We see similar images on the Tut chest. Another example, Ramses and Seti they use very similar nationality murals.
Cudos for identifying a matching relief but does that mean you also identified the source location of what you call a reproduction of the relief? Uncudos for not supplying simple attribution.
I didn't make this thread title "simply the truth" That what presumptuous of osirion not knowing the source of the image. Yes I read your older thread about the mural at Ramses. No I don't think you resolved the issue, because, regardless of the glyphs the information is not corresponding to 1) the context 2) similar depictions- not corresponding Do we have source photos from the other figures? No. Is the one you provided authenticated? One explanation could be that in certain periods certain Nubians may have been considered Egyptian nationals. But as I had pointed out earlier, when we have a set of eight figures and choose to exclude four of them it's a problem.
It looks like a good match to the relief. What makes it "poor" ? Is it because some don't like the Libyan flesh tone to be that color?
I don't know who originally painted the painting in the initial thread, modern or ancient.
Use your power if you have it
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Hmmm. Which ethny in these BG4:5s30 examples have yellow or red colored hair and tell which ethny uniformily has brown-black colored hair?
good point about hair color . But the figures that were described were having both blue eyes, pale skin like the Libyan above in combination with blond hair.
Secondly, this Libyan you posted BG4:5s30 what do you make of his pale skin? Indigenous African? If so how far back does the ancestry go I don't have a firm opinion on this. I don't know.
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Hollywood is putting this movie out in the summer of 2012. The Catholic Church is fighting to ban this movie, while Christian sre awaiting the release.
The movie is expected to bring in 20 million in revenues.
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Lion(ess) go do your assigned homework. The mental exercise will do you good.
Go back and reread every post in that other thread and you will see where I addressed the anomalies.
Stop confusing yourself. No matter how many figures appear in a condesation or photograph on the tomb walls themselves there are always 17 figures in toto:
__1 - Heru shepherding the herd + 4 - Rt Rmt after Heru + 4 - A3mw after the Rt Rmt yw + 4 - Nhhsw after the A3mw + 4 - Tjmhhw after the Nhhsw --- =17 - figures in sum.
The Rt Rmt yw represent the center point of it all. The A3mw are in the east where the Sun rises. The Nhhsw are in the south where the Sun is at midday. The Tjmhhw are in the west where the Sun sets.
This is why these peoples are always at the same positions in this one scene and set of text in a religious document about the journey of the Sun (the Book of Gates). It is only one scence of many in the Gate of Teka Hra which in turn is but one chapter of the Book of Gates.
quote:Originally posted by the lion:
Yes I read your older thread about the mural at Ramses. No I don't think you resolved the issue, because, regardless of the glyphs the information is not corresponding to 1) the context 2) similar depictions- not corresponding Do we have source photos from the other figures? No. Is the one you provided authenticated? One explanation could be that in certain periods certain Nubians may have been considered Egyptian nationals. But as I had pointed out earlier, when we have a set of eight figures and choose to exclude four of them it's a problem.
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Lion(ess) go do your assigned homework. The mental exercise will do you good.
Go back and reread every post in that other thread and you will see where I addressed the anomalies.
Stop confusing yourself. No matter how many figures appear in a condesation or photograph on the tomb walls themselves there are always 17 figures in toto:
__1 - Heru shepherding the herd + 4 - Rt Rmt after Heru + 4 - A3mw after the Rt Rmt yw + 4 - Nhhsw after the A3mw + 4 - Tjmhhw after the Nhhsw --- =17 - figures in sum.
The Rt Rmt yw represent the center point of it all. The A3mw are in the east where the Sun rises. The Nhhsw are in the south where the Sun is at midday. The Tjmhhw are in the west where the Sun sets.
This is why these peoples are always at the same positions in this one scene and set of text in a religious document about the journey of the Sun (the Book of Gates). It is only one scence of many in the Gate of Teka Hra which in turn is but one chapter of the Book of Gates.
please identify all of the following 8 figures here thank you,
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Good sir, methinks thou knowest but little if any of either the tribes of Africa or Israel. Thou and thy people may very well answer to nigger. Seek not to umbrella all black people and all Africans so. I assure thee, we are not.
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Actually I belong to the 2nd rank of the 1st caste.
Don't know what the fock that means but (if you are indeed black) you are definitely the nigger in that Marxist Zionist apartheid state.
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Who the fvck talks like that, but phony internet philosophers like Al-Takruri Dookie from the West.
You are a nigger just like anguish is a plae white devil.
Both of you mothersuckers need to shut your biotch azzes up. Stop trying to sound like you know something about something. When nothingness is only nothingness.
Nothing ever existed only what you want to beleive. -Mah Nigga My Nuts
Never heed to the words of a White Cracker, for surely the White Cracker is flimsy and easily broken, so the same is for his words. -DwightGuy
Now thats philosophy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Damn, I just did again for like the zillionth time. The order never changes. Just get to your beef, the The Rt Rmt yw and Nhhsw of the KV11f version being nearly identical and the visual switching of the A3mw and Tjmhhw instead of trying to trip me up (which you will never do).
And to cut to the chase I tell you again to attentively read the Yurco&Hornung vs Ampin&Lepsius thread to see my view of what the workmen's "mistakes" may mean. Can you do that, please, and save us both the trouble.
BTW other forum members in the past have also tackled the anomaly, you may want to read what they've said.
[Truth to tell I wish I had left you and your ideas to this next generation of ES AE&E forums. It seems you are all totally unfamiliar with what went on from 2004 - 2008 when the real lions regularly posted good enlightening and empowering material]
quote:Originally posted by the lion: please identify all of the following 8 figures here thank you,
top 1 2 3 4
bottom row 5 6 7 8
(4 = partial figure right top row)
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Damn, I just did again for like the zillionth time. The order never changes.
quote:Originally posted by the lion: please identify all of the following 8 figures here thank you,
top 1 2 3 4
bottom row 5 6 7 8
(4 = partial figure right top row)
alTakruri, the illustration above according to your indications
+ 4 - Rt Rmt after Heru + 4 - A3mw after the Rt Rmt yw + 4 - Nhhsw after the A3mw + 4 - Tjmhhw after the Nhhsw
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TOP ROW figure 1 = Egyptian figure 2 = Asiatic figure 3 = non-Egyptian black African figure 4 = Tamhu of Libya
now are we to assume that this order is repeated in the second row with different looking figures? It doesn't work for that row. For example the second figure bottom row has the side hair lock of a Libyan not an Asiatic. Another example the last figure bottom row has the headband of an Asiatic Syrian not Tamhu
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Stick to the names the document itself gives for each of the people instead of inventing your own self-serving labels.
Can you read the text accompanying the illustration? The order never varies in the text anymore than does the sun's path.
As for your notice on the KV11 visuals is it really anymore than I've already noted time and again?
You've just proven you did not read my posts in the thread I directed you to. This is not a story book. You must read with comprehension and retention goals.
quote:Originally posted by the lion: TOP ROW figure 1 = Egyptian figure 2 = Asiatic figure 3 = non-Egyptian black African figure 4 = Tamhu of Libya
now are we to assume that this order is repeated in the second row with different looking figures? It doesn't work for that row. For example the second figure bottom row has the side hair lock of a Libyan not an Asiatic. Another example the last figure bottom row has the headband of an Asiatic Syrian not Tamhu
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quote:Originally" posted by alTakruri: Stick to the names the document itself gives for each of the people instead of inventing your own self-serving labels.
Can you read the text accompanying the illustration? The order never varies in the text anymore than does the sun's path.
As for your notice on the KV11 visuals is it really anymore than I've already noted time and again?
You've just proven you did not read my posts in the thread I directed you to. This is not a story book. You must read with comprehension and retention goals.
I had read you thread Yurco and Hornung thread before and I just read it again. I have no problem with your showing RMT to the right of figure 5 (the first figure bottom row) But then as now you make no commentary on the top row. This is why I keep asking you over and over again the following. In the illustration above we have 8 figures a top row of 4 and a bottom row of 4 different figures. The order you refer to is the +4 order on the tomb walls of figures.
***The question is- is that same order for each row, not of the tomb wall, but is that 1) the order of top row of figures in the condensed illustration above BG4:5s30 and 2) is that also the order of the bottom row of figures in the condensed illustration above BG4:5s30
The order you refer to is this:
1) Rt Rmt 2) A3mw 3) Nhhsw 4) Tjmhhw
Anybody who had read your earlier thread and what your are saying now would not be clear on how that order applies or does not apply to the illustration in question the figures in THE ORDER THEY APPEAR IN THE CONDSENSED ILLUSTRATION above BG4:5s30 as per each row, TOP and BOTTOM.
What is going on here is that a discussion starts about the bottom row of figures in a condensed illustration BG4:5s30 relating to a mural painting
Instead of staying on topic, relating actual photos to the condensed illustration BG4:5s30 which includes 8 figures, it never gets clarified, the topic is changed at this point to be strictly about the actual arrangement on the tomb wall. And in this discussion which has become at this point only about the mural wall it is still restricted by just talking about one particular set of 4 figures
quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: Great Jew doesn't have to provide anything for anyone. He's superior because he is a member of the chosen race (albeit of the lower caste) and he's above sh!t. lol
Why do you call him "Great Jew" I thought he was an African?? At least he believes the Jews were black and the White Zionists in Israel are nothing but Kabbalist Russian Imposters.
The Lion wrote: -------------------------------------------- O Blue-eyedone who freshens eyes, whose power is severe LOL blacks praying to a Blue Eyed God in Egypt, LOL.
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^ the Nubian at the bottom would surely pass as a "mulatto" for Lion based on his nose. Even the second row African would too, based on his phenotype. lol
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quote:At least he believes the Jews were black and the White Zionists in Israel are nothing but Kabbalist Russian Imposters.
Have you seen his pathetic apologies for white Jewish racism (from Maimonides to contemporary Sephardi "Babylonian" Rabbis)? I bet this "Africanist" Jew has Israeli citizenship. lol
quote:Good sir, methinks thou knowest but little if any of either the tribes of Africa or Israel. Thou and thy people may very well answer to nigger. Seek not to umbrella all black people and all Africans so. I assure thee, we are not.
My dear white Sephardi Jew ass-kisser, the ones who "umbrella all black people" are the very white Jews you defend so much. If you weren't kissing their ass so much you probably would have noticed. lol
And why do you call them "tribes" of Africa in the manner of nineteenth century European anthropology? Is that how they teach you to address Africans in Jew Africana studies? Posts: 4254 | From: dasein | Registered: Jun 2009
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