CARTHAGE, Tunisia (AFP) – Clad in a white linen tunic, sandals in the ancient Carthaginian style and a pendant and beads like those found with his remains, 2,500-year-old "Ariche" has virtually come back to life on the sacred hill of Byrsa where he was born.
The outcome of scientific cooperation between France and Tunisia, the young man has been remodelled and returned to his native soil in historical Carthage, a city state that lasted from 814 B.C. to 146 B.C. He will be given a place of honour in the museum of modern-day Carthage, north of Tunis.
"The distance that separates the centuries has been erased, the bones are given flesh and the eyes light up anew in a young man who lived right here six centuries before our own era," French ambassador Pierre Menat said at the opening of the exhibition last week.
The modern history of the youth of Byrsa began in 1994 with the fortuitous discovery of a sepulchre on the southern flank of the hill, which is one of the most famous sites of antique Carthage. A joint Franco-Tunisian team moved in to excavate.
"Gone too soon, taken prematurely from life and the love of those close to him (...) he was doubtless of noble birth and his body was buried in this generous African soil," said Leila Sebai, president of the International Council of Museums and commissioner of the exhibition.
An anthropological study of the skeleton showed that the man died between the age of 19 and 24, had a pretty robust physique and was 1.7 metres (five feet six inches) tall, according to a description by Jean Paul Morel, director of the French archaeological team at Carthage Byrsa.
The man from Byrsa has been rebaptised Ariche -- meaning the desired man -- at the initiative of Culture Minister Abderraouf Basti, who inaugurated the exhibition.
Ariche has regained an almost living human appearance very close in physiognomy to a Carthaginian of the 6th century B.C. after a dermoplastic reconstruction undertaken in Paris by Elisabeth Daynes, a sculptor specialising in hyper-realistic reconstructions.
"He comes back to us thanks to scientific rigour, notably that of paleo-anthropology and forensic medicine, but also the magic of art, that of Elisabeth Daynes, who knows how to bring many faces back from the distant past," Sebai said.
Dermoplastic reconstruction is based on a scientific technique that enables experts to restore the features of an individual with 95 percent accuracy, though some aspects, such as the colour of the eyes and the hair remain partially subjective, she added.
"We can clearly see that this exceptional witness to Carthage in the Punic era is a Mediterranean man, he has all the characteristics," noted Sihem Roudesli, a paleo-anthropologist at the Tunisian National Heritage Institute.
"I hope that like his contemporaries, legendary sailors and bringers of civilisation, this young man can travel across the seas to bear witness on other continents to the greatness of Carthage," Menat said.
Repatriated on September 24, Ariche will be on show at Byrsa until the end of March 2011 when he will travel to Lebanon, the land of the Phoenicians who founded Carthage, for an exhibition at the American University of Beirut.
So lets see; who is more believable, Albinos and Sand Niggers, or the people who were there at the same time, and made their own pictures.
NonProphet - Damn you people are pathetic. Have you no pride? Have you no shame? Constantly chasing after what Blacks had done. That cannot be good for an Albinos psyche. Give it up, accept you non-participation in the forming of civilization.
You are a pathetic backward people, living in a world of technology, but still pathetic and backward. Full of fears and concerns of worth. Fight the urge to continuing stealing, lying and usurping, find your own path. Posts: 22721 | Registered: Oct 2005
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Of course the reason for such foolishness is clear. Liars like these want to be legitimized. They want you to believe that they are REALLY Arabs, and that real Arabs look just like them -now- and before.
Of course an intelligent person would ask; so what does Arabs have to do with Phoenicians? Nothing really, their respective heydays were far apart. It's always about race: these Sand Niggers and Whites rule nations that they have no right to, so they seek legitimization by creating a false history for themselves.
BTW - Would ANYBODY buy a used car from one of these guys?
interesting, they have the same features. broad noses and small lips, thanks Mike
Mike, please post a picture of a government leader you WOULD buy a used car from. I want to see what you come up with
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And this is news to the good folks here at E/S because we never discussed this phenotype in North Africa before? and why when someone start with something much discussed do we need to respond in the same manner. like I am about do now... ? Non Prophet non of this is a shock to the members of this board but the other images is a shock to you and folks who think like you am I not right?.
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Captive slaves and servants are not a surprise because they are as old as warfare/tribal conflicts. Humans were also traded and sold just like any other valued commodities in peace time too. Gift and Bartering economies back in those days.
Aren't you neglecting your ESR mod duties and does anybody really care about your topics?
Genuine Carthaginian coins -
This silver coin was probably produced in about 230 BC. The Punic (Carthaginian) god Melqart is shown on the obverse (front) of the coin. On the reverse is a war elephant, as used by Hannibal in his great campaign against Rome.
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Elizabeth Daynes is the artist who did the reconstruction of king tut. All of her reconstructions invariably look like French people, including this one. LOL!
You need more than a grain of salt for some of her reconstructions, especially those of ancient French looking North Africans. Of course that should be an insult to North Africans after the years of French colonialism, but lately France has been trying hard to co-opt those multatto and light skinned Africans into a pan-Franco world view.
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Captive slaves and servants are not a surprise because they are as old as warfare/tribal conflicts. Humans were also traded and sold just like any other valued commodities in peace time too. Gift and Bartering economies back in those days.
Aren't you neglecting your ESR mod duties and does anybody really care about your topics?
Genuine Carthaginian coins -
This silver coin was probably produced in about 230 BC. The Punic (Carthaginian) god Melqart is shown on the obverse (front) of the coin. On the reverse is a war elephant, as used by Hannibal in his great campaign against Rome.
Coin minted by Hannibal
Sorry. Those images of Negroes on coins from Ibiza are Carthaginians and often feature the patron God who became the namesake of the island now called Ibiza: Bes the African god of protection. The Carthaginian empire had colonies in Europe and had Europeans in their armies, but the African component of native Carthaginians were not slaves. Those coins you have posted are Greek in inspiration and do not "prove" that the Carthaginians of Africa were white. And from this time you get many aspects of ancient Egyptian and other African traditions that moved into Europe. Many of the coffins of Punic Spain feature fine carvings reminiscent of ancient Egyptian stone carved sarcophagi.
quote: To have an idea of how prosperous this island was during those early days, we have to consider that about the year 350 B.C., the Carthaginians from Ibiza began minting coins, in bronze, copper and some silver too. Little coins that still appear all over the island, bearing the image of God Bes as the main design on their obverse, and a bull or the legend "Ai’Bsm" on the other side, meaning "Island of Bes". And that is where the name "IBIZA" comes from, both for the island and its capital city.
quote: Phoenician sarcophagus found in Cadiz, Spain; now in Archaeological Museum of Cádiz. The sarcophagus is thought to have been designed and paid for by a Phoenician merchant, and made in Greece with Egyptian influence.
In fact the site has hundreds of coins showing the strong African and Egyptian influence on Phonetician coinage.
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In another thread, I said specifically that White institutions - like museums; were part of the vile Albino conspiracy to steal Black history. At the time, I was thinking specifically of the British Museum in London, and the Metropolitan museum in New York.
You NonProphet, have given me a great opportunity to demonstrate that fact, in the case of the British Museum in London.
British Museum Silver double shekel of Carthage
Issued by the Barcid family in Spain From the Mogente Hoard, Valencia, Spain, around 230 BC
The silver coins of the family of Hannibal
The city of Carthage was founded by Phoenician settlers and grew to be the main power - commercial and military - in much of North Africa, Sicily and Spain. Its coinage began in the late fifth century BC in silver, with gold, electrum and bronze following later. The designs employed for the coinage drew for the most part on a small stock of images - a goddess, a horse, a palm tree - to display civic, ethnic and religious identity.
An exception to this was the series of coins issued by the great Barcid family in Spain during the latter part of the third century BC. During this period Carthage was twice at war with the growing Italian power of Rome, most famously under the great Barcid general Hannibal. This silver coin was probably produced in about 230 BC. The Punic (Carthaginian) god Melqart is shown on the obverse (front) of the coin. He is depicted resembling the Greek hero Herakles with a club over his shoulder. On the reverse is a war elephant, as used by Hannibal in his great campaign against Rome.
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Luckily, You dumb-assed Albinos don't have the good sense to cross-check your lies. The fact is that in REALITY, Herakles or Hercules was a pre-Hellenic Greek God - NEVER depicted by the GREEKS as WHITE - He was understood to be a BLACK Man!!!!!!
But I guess the worst is, Phoenicians depicting their gods as GREEKS!!!!
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BTW NonProphet, It was not lost on me, that you tried to pass-off an already bogus coin depicting the Phoenician god Melqart, as depicting HANNIBAL himself.
However, I was not surprised that you would be so dishonest, hell, you're White ain't you. By definition, that means that you are a liar.
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Non prophet Captive slaves and servants are not a surprise because they are as old as warfare/tribal conflicts. Humans were also traded and sold just like any other valued commodities in peace time too. Gift and Bartering economies back in those days. Aren't you neglecting your ESR mod duties and does anybody really care about your topics? Genuine Carthaginian coins
First off slave and servants do not usually commission their own signet rings and coins that's usually reserve for the upper classes..btw read S.Gesll on Carthaginian remains.
Does anyone care about my topics? well some do some don't but the great thing about the net is once something is posted folks can always reference it later at their own convenience even yrs later I am cool wid dat.
And no!! I am not neglecting ma duties over at ESR as I am not too shabby at multi tasking for ex. I can post here bust up a troll or two,moderate ESR,do on-line trading..$$ kachiiing most of the time,work on posters and events,make orders all in the space of an hr, sometimes under...
And what makes one coin more genuine than the next? Those images really burns your physichi don't it and before you get it twisted most new world blk families got cousins nephews and whatever no different than the image you posted they still family.
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Here we go with the automatic assumption of black equals slave when there far more 'white' slaves in NA and SE.
quote:Originally posted by NonProphet: Brada,
Captive slaves and servants are not a surprise because they are as old as warfare/tribal conflicts. Humans were also traded and sold just like any other valued commodities in peace time too. Gift and Bartering economies back in those days.
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^Black as Slave: That false myth seems to be a kind of comforting salve for Whites. Perhaps because the truth that you just mentioned is too disturbing?
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Expedition Voyage of Hanno the Navigator (also known as Hanno II of Carthage) was a Carthaginian explorer c. 500 BCE, best known for his naval exploration of the West African coast.
As Warmington states,[1] Carthage dispatched Hanno at the head of a fleet of sixty ships to explore and colonize the northwestern coast of Africa. He sailed through the straits of Gibraltar, founded or repopulated seven colonies along the African coast of Morocco, and explored significantly further along the Atlantic coast of the continent. Hogan cites the visit of Hanno to Mogador, where the Phoenicians established an important dye manufacturing plant using a marine gastropod found in the local Atlantic Ocean waters.[2] Hanno encountered various indigenous peoples on his journey.
At the terminus of Hanno's voyage the explorer found an island heavily populated with what were described as hirsute and savage people. Attempts to capture the males failed, but three of the females were taken. These were so ferocious that they were killed, and their skins preserved for transport home to Carthage. The interpreters called them gorillae, and when European explorers first encountered gorillas in the 19th century, the apes were given this name on the assumption that they were the "people" Hanno described.
The primary source for the account of Hanno's expedition is a Greek translation, titled Periplus, of a tablet Hanno is reported to have hung up on his return to Carthage in the temple of Ba'al Hammon whom Greek writers identified with Kronos. The full title translated from Greek is The Voyage of Hanno, commander of the Carthaginians, round the parts of Libya beyond the Pillars of Heracles, which he deposited in the Temple of Kronos. This was known to Pliny the Elder and Arrian, who mentions it at the end of his Anabasis of Alexander VIII (Indica):
Moreover, Hanno the Libyan started out from Carthage and passed the Pillars of Heracles and sailed into the outer Ocean, with Libya on his port side, and he sailed on towards the east, five-and-thirty days all told. But when at last he turned southward, he fell in with every sort of difficulty, want of water, blazing heat, and fiery streams running into the sea.
This account's factual dependability has been both questioned and defended. Both Harden[3] and Warmington[4] quote this account in English translation. Warminton suggests[5] that difficulties in reconciling the specific details with present geographical understanding are consistent with classical reports of Carthaginian determination to maintain sole control of trade into the Atlantic.
This report was the object of criticism by some ancient writers, including the Pliny the Elder, and in modern times a whole literature of scholarship has grown up around it. The account is incoherent and at times certainly incorrect, and attempts to identify the various places mentioned on the basis of the sailing directions and distances almost all fail. Some scholars resort to textual emendations, justified in some cases; but it is probable that what we have before us is a report deliberately edited so that the places could not be identified by the competitors of Carthage. From everything we know about Carthaginian practice, the resolute determination to keep all knowledge of and access to the western markets from the Greeks, it is incredible that they would have allowed the publication of an accurate description of the voyage for all to read. What we have is an official version of the real report made by Hanno which conceals or falsifies vital information while at the same time gratifying the pride of the Carthaginians in their achievements. The very purpose of the voyage, the consolidation of the route to the gold market, is not even mentioned.
The voyage of Hanno is ascribed to various dates; current thinking is that it was in the fifth century B.C.[6]
A number of modern scholars have commented upon Hanno's voyage. In many cases the analysis has been to refine information and interpretation of the original account. William Smith points out that the complement of personnel totaled 30,000, and that the core mission included the intent to found Carthaginian (or in the older parlance Libyo-Phoenician) towns.[7]
Harden states there is general consensus that the expedition reached at least as far as Senegal.[8] There seems some agreement that he could have reached Gambia. However, Harden mentions lack of agreement as to precisely where to locate the furthest limit of Hanno's explorations: Sierra Leone, Cameroon, Gabon. He notes the description of Mount Cameroon, a 4,095m (13,435 ft) volcano, more closely matches Hanno's description than Guinea's 890m(2,920 ft) Mount Kakulima. Warmington prefers Mount Kakulima, considering Mount Cameroon too distant.[9]
Carthage also sent caravans to trade manufactured and agricultural goods with the coastal and interior peoples of Africa for salt, gold, timber, ivory, ebony, apes, slaves, peacocks, skins, and hides. Its merchants invented the practice of sale by auction and used it to trade with the African tribes. In other ports, they tried to establish permanent warehouses or sell their goods in open-air markets. They obtained amber from Scandinavia and tin from the Canary Islands. From the Celtiberians, Gauls, and Celts, they obtained amber, tin, silver, and furs. Sardinia and Corsica produced gold and silver for Carthage, and Phoenician settlements on islands such as Malta and the Balearic Islands produced commodities that would be sent back to Carthage for large-scale distribution. Carthage supplied poorer civilizations with simple things, such as pottery, metallic products, and ornamentations, often displacing the local manufacturing, but brought its best works to wealthier ones such as the Greeks and Etruscans.
These trade ships went all the way down the Atlantic coast of Africa to Senegal and Nigeria. One account has a Carthaginian trading vessel exploring Nigeria, including identification of distinguishing geographic features such as a coastal volcano and an encounter with gorillas. Irregular trade exchanges occurred as far west as Madeira and the Canary Islands, and as far south as southern Africa. Carthage traded in almost every commodity wanted by the ancient world, including spices from Arabia, Africa, India and Slaves.
1. ^ B.H. Warmington, Carthage, Penguin Books, Harmondsworth, pages 74 to 76 2. ^ C.Michael Hogan, Mogador, The Megalithic Portal, ed. A. Burnham, Nov. 2, 2007 3. ^ Donald Harden, The Phoenicians, Penguin books, Harmondsworth, pages 163 to 168 4. ^ B.H. Warmington op. cit. pages 74 to 76 5. ^ ibid., page 76 6. ^ Fage J.D., Roland Anthony Oliver, A. D. Roberts The Cambridge History of Africa Cambridge University Press 1979 ISBN 978-0521215923p134 [1] 7. ^ Smith, Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, vol. 2, page 346 (1880) 8. ^ Donald Harden, The Phoenicians, Penguin Books, Harmondsworth, page 168 9. ^ B.H. Warmington, op. cit., page 79 Carthage: new excavations in Mediterranean capital Jongeling, K. (2005). "The Neo-Punic Inscriptions and Coin Legends". University of Leiden. http://website.leidenuniv.nl/~jongelingk/projects/neopunic-inscr/puninscr.html. Retrieved April 14, 2006. Carthage by B. H. Warmington p11 Herodotus, V2. 165–7 Polybius, World History: 1.7–1.60 Warmington, B. H. Carthage, p.11. "Al-Watan Daily" (in Arabic). http://www.alwatan.com.sa.+Archived+from the original on 2007-09-28. http://web.archive.org/web/20070928005207/http://www.alwatan.com.sa/daily/2004-03-21/socity/socity13.htm. Retrieved 2007-07-25. Carthage and the Carthaginians, R Bosworth Smithp16 Polybius, Book 6, 52. On the Perseus project Adrian Goldsworthy - The Fall of Carthage Polybius, History Book 6 Wine: The 8,000-Year-Old Story of the Wine Trade, Thomas Pellechia (2006) Ancient History C. Michael Hogan (2007) Volubilis, The Megalithic Portal, ed. by A. Burnham R.T. Ridley, "To Be Taken with a Pinch of Salt: The Destruction of Carthage", Classical Philology 81:2 (1986). George Ripley, Charles Anderson Dana, The New American Cyclopædia: a Popular Dictionary of General Knowledge 4:497, 1863 full text B. H. Warmington "The Destruction of Carthage, A Retratatio", Classical Philology 83:4 (1988). pp308-10 Serge Lancel and Jean-Paul Morel, "Byrsa. Punic vestiges"; To save Carthage. Exploration and conservation of the city Punic, Roman and Byzantine, Unesco / INAA, 1992, pp. 43-59 Aristotle, Politics Book 3,IX Pliny, Nat His 33,96 Pliny 33,51 Aristiotle, Politics, Book 2, part 11 Diodorus Siculus. Trans. C.H. Oldfather. Diodorus of Sicily 1, VI, VIII, IX. Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1954-1963 (The Loeb Classical Library). Carthage a History, S Lancel, trans A Nevill, p252 Life in Carthage Gilbert and Colette Charels-Picard pp149-50 Carhtage a History, S Lancel, trans A Nevill, pp251 Kelly A. MacFarlane, University of Alberta, Hittites and Phoenician Sergio Ribichini, "Beliefs and Religious Life" in Moscati, Sabatino (ed), The Phoenicians, 1988, p.141
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^^^ Come on guys what do you expect from a Jew, Go ask M.K about how defective these people are..come on.
Bertholon and Chantre (1913)noted non- Negroid and Negroid crania in neolithic Carthaginian graves, with the former predominating. Daniels (1970) reported that pre- and post-Roman Gara- mantian remains from southern Libya were Mediterranean. Negroid. and hybrid.
To what extent Carthaginians employed Negro slaves is doubtful. Punic cemeteries have yielded numerous skulls of a negroid character, and there were some very dark-skinned Africans, perhaps negroes, in the Carthaginian army which invaded Sicily early in the fifth century B.C. Frontinus tells us that as prisoners they were paraded naked before the Greeks soldiery in order to bring the Carthaginians into contempt. On the other hand, as the Carthaginians customarily enslved prisoners of war and the victims of their piracy, two sources of supply which they must have found very fruiful, they were far from being dependent on Africa for slave labour. It is unlikely that they hesitated to enslaved as many Berbers as they required, nor were so brutal a people likely to have drawn the line at doing the same to their own peasantry. The evidence of negro blood, is, however, significant and it seems probable that they imported slaves from the Fezzan. It was a likely source, for the Garamantes cannot have hunted the Troglodyte Ethiopians except to enslave them. The slave trade with the Fezzan may have been important tot he Carthaginians, but there are no grounds for assuming that it was.
The golden trade of the Moors: West African kingdoms in the fourteenth century By E. W. Bovill, Robin Hallet pp. 21-22
In the Punic burial grounds, negroid remains were not rare and there were black auxiliaries in the Carthaginian army who were certainly not Nilotics. Furthermore, if we are to believe Diodorus(XX, 57.5), a lieutenant of Agathocles in northern Tuninisa at the close of the fourth century before our era overcame a people who skin was similar to the Ethiopian'. There is much evidence of the presence of 'Ethiopians' on the southern borders of Africa Minor. Throughout the classical period, mention is also made of peoples belonging to intermediate races, the Melano-Getules, or Leuco-Ethiopians in particular in Ptolemy.
General History of Africa: Ancient civilizations of Africa By G. Mokhtar, Unesco. International Scientific Committee for the Drafting of a General History of Africa p. 427
"Snowden (1970) and Desanges (1981) reference various writers’ physical descriptions of the ancient Maghreb’s inhabitants. In various writers’ physical descriptions of the ancient Maghreb’s inhabitants. In addition to the presence of fair-skinned blonds, various “Ethiopian” or “part-Ethiopian” groups are described, near the coast and on the southern slopes of the Atlas mountains. “Ethiopians,” meaning dark-skinned peoples usually having “ulotrichous” (wooly) hair, are noted in various Greek accounts and European coinage (Snowden, 1970). Hiernaux (1975) interprets the finding of “subsaharan” population affinities in living Maghrebans as being solely the result of the medieval transsaharan slave trade; it is clear that this is not the case. Furthermore, the blacks of the ancient Maghreb were apparently not foreign or a caste."Posts: 8804 | From: The fear of his majesty had entered their hearts, they were powerless | Registered: Nov 2007
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