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Human remains from Zhirendong, South China, and Modern Human Emergence in East Asia
1. Wu Liua,1, 2. Chang-Zhu Jina, 3. Ying-Qi Zhanga, 4. Yan-Jun Caib, 5. Song Xinga,c, 6. Xiu-Jie Wua, 7. Hai Chengd,e, 8. R. Lawrence Edwardse, 9. Wen-Shi Panf, 10. Da-Gong Qinf, 11. Zhi-Sheng Anb, 12. Erik Trinkausg,1, and 13. Xin-Zhi Wua
1. aKey Laboratory of Evolutionary Systematics of Vertebrates, Institute of Vertebrate Paleontology and Paleoanthropology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Beijing 100044, China; 2. bState Key Laboratory of Loess and Quaternary Geology, Institute of Earth Environment, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Xi'an 710075, China; 3. cGraduate School of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, Beijing 100049, China; 4. dInstitute of Global Environmental Change, Xi'an Jiaotong University, Xi'an 710049, China; 5. eDepartment of Geology and Geophysics, University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, MN 55455; 6. fChongzuo Biodiversity Research Institute, Peking University, Chongzuo 532209, China; and 7. gDepartment of Anthropology, Washington University, St. Louis, MO 63130
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Contributed by Erik Trinkaus, September 24, 2010 (sent for review August 27, 2010)
Abstract
The 2007 discovery of fragmentary human remains (two molars and an anterior mandible) at Zhirendong (Zhiren Cave) in South China provides insight in the processes involved in the establishment of modern humans in eastern Eurasia. The human remains are securely dated by U-series on overlying flowstones and a rich associated faunal sample to the initial Late Pleistocene, >100 kya. As such, they are the oldest modern human fossils in East Asia and predate by >60,000 y the oldest previously known modern human remains in the region. The Zhiren 3 mandible in particular presents derived modern human anterior symphyseal morphology, with a projecting tuber symphyseos, distinct mental fossae, modest lateral tubercles, and a vertical symphysis; it is separate from any known late archaic human mandible. However, it also exhibits a lingual symphyseal morphology and corpus robustness that place it close to later Pleistocene archaic humans. The age and morphology of the Zhiren Cave human remains support a modern human emergence scenario for East Asia involving dispersal with assimilation or populational continuity with gene flow. It also places the Late Pleistocene Asian emergence of modern humans in a pre-Upper Paleolithic context and raises issues concerning the long-term Late Pleistocene coexistence of late archaic and early modern humans across Eurasia.
In a Ground Breaking Revolutionary Study, Chinese scientists are claiming East Asia NOT Africa as the place of origin for Homo Sapiens Sapiens or Modern Humans.
Chinese are systematic in their take over of Africa and want to suck it dry of all natural resources with the help of local paid off Govt officials and slave labor.
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BoyCott WalMart - the 'Official' Chinese Govt Warehouse were over 99% of their products including processed food is made in China.
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Yea, you should actually read what you post and atleast understand it beforehand. This paper simply discusses an earlier date for modern humans presence in east Asia, not that modern humans emerged there, instead of Africa.
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^Exactly And since when does China (in general) produce climatic conditions that favor tropical adaptations, you know, the same tropical adaptations that generalised moderns in general exhibited.
The last time I checked, modern East Asians adapted from their prehistoric generalised modern physique to their modern one.
If they evolved in China, you would expect continuation in bodyplan from UP East Asians to modern ones. Where is the continuation in bodyplan, Monprophet?
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Just don't get the hate these people have for Africa. Anything. . .anywhere but Africa.
The jokers can't read and understand and they take up so much bandwidth.
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Just don't get the hate these people have for Africa. Anything. . .anywhere but Africa.
The jokers can't read and understand and they take up so much bandwidth.
This is beecause the entire foundation of Chinese civilization was founded by Blacks and the Chinese are trying to deny and eliminate the African roots of Chinese civilization. Check out my videos to learn more:
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Clyde - because of the disruptive effect of trolls in denial, we have never been able to get a good informative, and consensus driven, thread on North Asia.
As you know, we disagree on whether or not the Zhou were White or Black. I am still trying to quantify the light skin of the Chinese, i.e. Mongol Albinos with Black admixture, Black Mongols with central Asian Albino admixture, etc.
And What about the people of Mal'ta, north of Mongolia, with San Venus figures?
Point being, how about starting a new thread where we can battle all of this out, and try to come to some kind of consensus.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Clyde - because of the disruptive effect of trolls in denial, we have never been able to get a good informative, and consensus driven, thread on North Asia.
As you know, we disagree on whether or not the Zhou were White or Black. I am still trying to quantify the light skin of the Chinese, i.e. Mongol Albinos with Black admixture, Black Mongols with central Asian Albino admixture, etc.
And What about the people of Mal'ta, north of Mongolia, with San Venus figures?
Point being, how about starting a new thread where we can battle all of this out, and try to come to some kind of consensus.
You can't quantify what does not fit into a childishly simplistic idea that all people are a result of some sort of mixture of "black" and "white" . If this were the case people and animals on all the continents would look the same. Clyde believes Caucasians and light skinned Asians became light skined adapting over thousands of years to dark conditions in caves. You believe that it happened overnight dark to light via albinism. So Clyde can't help you.
quote:Originally posted by the lion:
2) The Chinese, some are medium toned skin and many millions are as pale as white people. How did this occur?
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: @ lion I will try to answer you questions.
1) During the last Ice Age, Cro-Magnon man was unable to exit the caves because of the Ice. As a result, these Blacks were in the caves for thousands of years. During this extended period of time the Blacks were depigmented.
2-3,6) The Chinese also claim they originated in a mountainous area: Huang Shang mountain range.
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
Every time I see a Black in the throes of religious Ecstasy, I worry about that. Blacks are apparently predisposed to that sort of thing
yes, this is a religion to you, you are no different
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^If you could manage to restrain yourself, and put your thoughts into cohesive sentences, instead of angry shouting. Then it would be a valuable addition to the discourse - if Clyde starts a thread.
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Some of you don't realize this revolutionary Chinese study is claiming to overturn the mainstream 'Out of Africa' hypothesis which in essence claims all modern non-Africans are no more than 50-60K yrs removed from Africa. Chinese are claiming modern man was in East Asia 40-50Ky before this or 100-110Kybp.
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Chinese are supporting this Multiple Origin Hypothesis above or 'Hybrid' model over the so-called outdated and debunked single origin 'Out of Africa' model below.
quote:Originally posted by NonProphet: Some of you don't realize this revolutionary Chinese study is claiming to overturn the mainstream 'Out of Africa' hypothesis which in essence claims all modern non-Africans are no more than 50-60K yrs removed from Africa. Chinese are claiming modern man was in East Asia 40-50Ky before this or 100-110Kybp.
Nowhere in that abstract does it give off the idea that the Chinese are trying to purport East Asia as home of modern humans, instead of Africa, that's your misinterpretation. You simply don't understand what you're reading. Give it up and move on.
P.S. In fact Erick Trinkaus, is a major proponent of OOA.
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quote:Originally posted by NonProphet: Some of you don't realize this revolutionary Chinese study is claiming to overturn the mainstream 'Out of Africa' hypothesis which in essence claims all modern non-Africans are no more than 50-60K yrs removed from Africa. Chinese are claiming modern man was in East Asia 40-50Ky before this or 100-110Kybp.
Nowhere in that abstract does it give off the idea that the Chinese are trying to purport East Asia as home of modern humans, instead of Africa, that's your misinterpretation. You simply don't understand what you're reading. Give it up and move on.
You sound like one of the mainstream apologists for Chinese Totalitarian Govt science. I've read the entire study and sorry you are basing your false assumptions on a politically correct English translation of the abstract. You also need to understand the 'Out of Africa' hypothesis in context with this study. Nice try though.
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^^I understand the OOA theory very well, the question is do you? Your misinterpretation of this study is a pretty clear indication that you don't understand OOA. If you feel that you are correct, you can post verbatim from the study where this multi-regionalism is posited...I await your reply.
P.S. from your understanding of derived, what does the following tell you?
The Zhiren 3 mandible in particular presents derived modern human anterior symphyseal morphology, with a projecting tuber symphyseos, distinct mental fossae, modest lateral tubercles, and a vertical symphysis;Posts: 6572 | From: N.Y.C....Capital of the World | Registered: Jun 2008
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quote:Originally posted by MindoverMatter718: ^^I understand the OOA theory very well, the question is do you? Your misinterpretation of this study is a pretty clear indication that you don't understand OOA. If you feel that you are correct, you can post verbatim from the study where this multi-regionalism is posited...I await your reply.
P.S. from your understanding of derived, what does the following tell you?
The Zhiren 3 mandible in particular presents derived modern human anterior symphyseal morphology, with a projecting tuber symphyseos, distinct mental fossae, modest lateral tubercles, and a vertical symphysis;
There is more evidence for the third hypothesis or 'Hybrid' model over the single origin OOA. Are you sure you REALLY understand OOA? Suggest you purchase the Chinese language version of the study and get a proper translation.
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^^Where is this evidence for the "third hypothesis"? I take it you also have genetic evidence as well, correct?
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NonProphet - With your nonsense it is always good to restate the facts in concise way.
So you and the other Albino boys are saying that the discovery of TWO teeth and the FRONT part of a SINGLE Jawbone found at Zhirendong (Zhiren Cave), that have dated to 100,000 B.C. and SEEMS to have the look of a modern mans jaw, means that modern man evolved SEPARATELY all over the world.
Well, that's quite a lot to infer from two teeth and part of a Jawbone. I know that the Chinese are major bullsh1tters, just like the White man.
But unlike the White man, they usually have some limitations as to just how much lying they are willing to do. (You know it DOES seem like a stretch to assume so much from so little).
Especially since the AFRICAN modern man is at least 200,000 but more like 400,000 years old.
Zhirendong (Zhiren Cave) is just south of Hangzhou
Anyway, lets see what the Chinese have to say for ourselves.
British Broadcasting Corporation
Early date for Chinese human fossils By Katia Moskvitch Science reporter, BBC News Fossils unearthed in southern China Scientists say the chin is distinctly modern in form
Modern humans could have reached East Asia much earlier than believed, according to new evidence.
An international team analysed fossil teeth and part of a jaw unearthed in southern China in 2007.
In the journal PNAS, the scientists say the fragments belonged to a "modern" human who lived 100,000 years ago.
The study is likely to be controversial: the earliest humans previously known from East Asia were half this age.
Wu Liu from the Chinese Academy of Sciences led the predominantly Chinese team that worked at Zhirendong (Zhiren Cave) fossil site.
US scientist Erik Trinkaus from Washington University in St Louis and R Lawrence Edwards from the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis also took part in the study. Living together
Dr Trinkaus explained to BBC News that the ancient remains mean modern humans co-existed with our closest relatives - Neanderthals and Neanderthal-like people - across Asia.
"There are some archaic features in the specimen and that suggests to us that these are not just simply modern humans coming out of Eastern Africa, but somewhere along the way they probably intermixed with regional groups of archaic humans," Professor Trinkaus told BBC News.
There was something that allowed these modern humans to spread across southern Asia, but at the same time they weren't able to spread further North across Asia or into Europe”
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"Previous evidence for co-existence was basically between Europe and Western Asia and adjacent part of Africa, but what this suggests is that the geographical range of co-existence spread all the way across Asia, which is an enormous difference.
"This is the first evidence for that."
"That means that modern humans spread across at least southern Asia some 100,000 years ago," added the scientist. A cave in China The fossils were discovered at Zhirendong in southern China
"It is interesting because we get the persistence of archaic humans, pre-modern humans, further north across all of Eurasia for another 60,000 years.
"It means that there was something that allowed these modern humans to spread across southern Asia, but at the same time they weren't able to spread further north across Asia or into Europe - they did not [have] this overwhelming superiority that is sometimes attributed to modern humans since they clearly didn't spread across all of the old world at this time period." Possible controversy
Professor Fred Smith of Illinois State University reviewed the paper for PNAS journal. He said that it was possible such a significant discovery could generate controversy.
"It will remain somewhat controversial because it's only one specimen at one site, but the fact is that it is a very important piece of the puzzle," he told BBC News.
"There's always a possibility that a date is wrong or that something has gone wrong. I don't see any [such] indication, but there's always a possibility of complications that weren't noticed or weren't completely understood.
"I'm sure that there will be some controversy, some people that are going to say: 'Well, this is all well and good, but we need more information to be certain'."
To make sure the study is correct, Professor Smith said scientists will continue their efforts to find more specimens of modern human fossils from southern China.
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HOLD-ON ALBINO BOY!!!!!
NOBODY IS SAYING WHAT YOU ALBINO BOYS "CLAIM" THEY'RE SAYING!!!
He,he,he, NonProphet, by now you should have noticed how much I enjoy carving your Albino Ass up into little pieces. Like MK said, Albinism effects the brain. Because if you HAD a brain, you would not give me so much enjoyment.
And Oh yes; I noticed how all over the web, there are similar stories by little pathetic Albino boys like you, with the SAME phony story - you'll share and pass-around your bullsh1t huh?
And I wondered; why would all of these Albino boys, be out there pushing this same lie, and opening themselves to ridicule when the truth comes out (Like it just did - he,he).
Then it came to me: After all the myths and bullsh1t that you have been taught since birth: You pink-assed MFs can't stand the thought that you were once Black, and are now, nothing but DEFECTIVE Blacks - can you?
He,he,he, - Ya it must be tough to know that somebody like me, was once your Daddy. And that he likely tossed you when you got defective.
But anyway Ass-hole, if you and the other Albino boys are going to lie, lie about something that is not so easily checked - What dumb-asses!!!
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quote:Originally posted by NonProphet: Some of you don't realize this revolutionary Chinese study is claiming to overturn the mainstream 'Out of Africa' hypothesis which in essence claims all modern non-Africans are no more than 50-60K yrs removed from Africa. Chinese are claiming modern man was in East Asia 40-50Ky before this or 100-110Kybp.
Nowhere in that abstract does it give off the idea that the Chinese are trying to purport East Asia as home of modern humans, instead of Africa, that's your misinterpretation. You simply don't understand what you're reading. Give it up and move on.
P.S. In fact Erick Trinkaus, is a major proponent of OOA.
Kudos to you in much improving your reading comprehension skills. You are correct. The study is NOT proposing an alternate theory to OOA.
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Me thinks the Imposter AfroNazi or real 'white' boy Nazi Mike protests too much. Give up the clown act.
Chinese like other bigots don't even consider MODERN let alone Archaic Africans as AMH or Homo Sapiens.
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With all the Albino institutions and people, working feverishly, day and night, they STILL haven't found a plausible way to deny their Black, and then Black Albino heritage.
I know you people are great liars, so the problem must be that you don't have the brains to but something believable together.
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Chinese come from Africa, just like the rest of us
Posted: Thursday, May 12, 2005 CNA, HONG KONG
An international study has found that the Chinese people originated not from “Peking Man” in northern China, but from early humans in East Africa who moved through South Asia to China some 100,000 years ago, Hong Kong’s Ming Pao daily reported yesterday in a finding that confirms the “single origin” theory in anthropology.
According to the newspaper, a research team led by Jin Li (of Fudan University in Shanghai has found that modern humans evolved from a single origin, not multiple origins as some experts believe.
In China, school textbooks teach that the Chinese race evolved from “Peking Man,” based on a theory that humans in Europe and Asia evolved from local species.
But Jin and his fellow researchers found that early humans belonged to different species, of which only the East African species developed into modern humans.
This new finding nullifies the theory that the ancestors of the Chinese people were “Peking Man” who lived in northern China 400,000 years ago.
Based on DNA analyses of 100,000 samples gathered from around the world, a number of human families evolved in East Africa some 150,000 years ago, said Li Hui, a member of Jin’s team.
About 100,000 years ago, some of those humans began to leave Africa, with some people moving to China via South and Southeast Asia, Li said.
According to the newspaper article, it has been proven that the “65 branches of the Chinese race” share similar DNA mutations with the peoples of East and Southeast Asia.
It said that the Shanghai scientists were part of an international team comprised of researchers from Russia, India, Brazil and other nations in a five-year project studying the geographic and genealogical routes related to the spread and settlement of modern humans.
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quote:Originally posted by Calabooz: Chinese come from Africa, just like the rest of us
Posted: Thursday, May 12, 2005 CNA, HONG KONG
An international study has found that the Chinese people originated not from “Peking Man” in northern China, but from early humans in East Africa who moved through South Asia to China some 100,000 years ago, Hong Kong’s Ming Pao daily reported yesterday in a finding that confirms the “single origin” theory in anthropology.
According to the newspaper, a research team led by Jin Li (of Fudan University in Shanghai has found that modern humans evolved from a single origin, not multiple origins as some experts believe.
In China, school textbooks teach that the Chinese race evolved from “Peking Man,” based on a theory that humans in Europe and Asia evolved from local species.
But Jin and his fellow researchers found that early humans belonged to different species, of which only the East African species developed into modern humans.
This new finding nullifies the theory that the ancestors of the Chinese people were “Peking Man” who lived in northern China 400,000 years ago.
Based on DNA analyses of 100,000 samples gathered from around the world, a number of human families evolved in East Africa some 150,000 years ago, said Li Hui, a member of Jin’s team.
About 100,000 years ago, some of those humans began to leave Africa, with some people moving to China via South and Southeast Asia, Li said.
According to the newspaper article, it has been proven that the “65 branches of the Chinese race” share similar DNA mutations with the peoples of East and Southeast Asia.
It said that the Shanghai scientists were part of an international team comprised of researchers from Russia, India, Brazil and other nations in a five-year project studying the geographic and genealogical routes related to the spread and settlement of modern humans.
Chinese geneticists say they come from Africa too!
Don't be fooled Calabooz at 0:20 he is expressing the mainstream Chinese belief that the Chinese originate from Homo Erectus locally(see MultiRegional theory)and not 'Out of Africa' just like the study I posted concludes but they lie to Western media. The xenophobic, shrewd Chinese have the highest average IQ in the world as East Asians, greatest number of Scientists/Engineers per capita and plan long term to absorb Africa in their empire.
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Don't be fooled Calabooz at 0:20 he is expressing the mainstream Chinese belief that the Chinese originate from Homo Erectus locally(see MultiRegional theory)and not 'Out of Africa' just like the study I posted concludes but they lie to Western media. The xenophobic, shrewd Chinese have the highest average IQ in the world as East Asians, greatest number of Scientists/Engineers per capita and plan long term to absorb Africa in their empire.
Yes, he was, but the results of their research showed that that belief is not true. Their research just added to the hypothesis of OOA. So what is it... a conspiracy?
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quote:Originally posted by Calabooz: Chinese come from Africa, just like the rest of us
Posted: Thursday, May 12, 2005 CNA, HONG KONG
An international study has found that the Chinese people originated not from “Peking Man” in northern China, but from early humans in East Africa who moved through South Asia to China some 100,000 years ago, Hong Kong’s Ming Pao daily reported yesterday in a finding that confirms the “single origin” theory in anthropology.
According to the newspaper, a research team led by Jin Li (of Fudan University in Shanghai has found that modern humans evolved from a single origin, not multiple origins as some experts believe.
In China, school textbooks teach that the Chinese race evolved from “Peking Man,” based on a theory that humans in Europe and Asia evolved from local species.
But Jin and his fellow researchers found that early humans belonged to different species, of which only the East African species developed into modern humans.
This new finding nullifies the theory that the ancestors of the Chinese people were “Peking Man” who lived in northern China 400,000 years ago.
Based on DNA analyses of 100,000 samples gathered from around the world, a number of human families evolved in East Africa some 150,000 years ago, said Li Hui, a member of Jin’s team.
About 100,000 years ago, some of those humans began to leave Africa, with some people moving to China via South and Southeast Asia, Li said.
According to the newspaper article, it has been proven that the “65 branches of the Chinese race” share similar DNA mutations with the peoples of East and Southeast Asia.
It said that the Shanghai scientists were part of an international team comprised of researchers from Russia, India, Brazil and other nations in a five-year project studying the geographic and genealogical routes related to the spread and settlement of modern humans.
Chinese geneticists say they come from Africa too!
Seriously... what would they gain from lying about their results? He said he was hoping the belief, that he was taught through the Chinese schooling system, was true. His words: "Rather everbody was a descendant of our ancestors from Africa". What would he gain from lying? He didn't want it to be true... but it is. I respect your opinions, but it would seem as if OOA has too much evidence to support it, so it is more probable that it is true.
PS, are you Mathilda?
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quote:Originally posted by NonProphet: After more Africans get tested for Neanderthal genes, one of the current models will turn into a theory with the most evidence.
Wait, about the Neanderthal thing; when humans migrated out of Africa, the mated with Neanderthals in the Middle East then populated the rest of the world. I think what they mean when they say:
"This surprising result is difficult to reconcile with current models of human origins "
...about human origins, is that they believed humans and Neanderthals were a different species and could not have mated, this theory was the more popular one before the results, I think that is what they meant...
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quote:Originally posted by NonProphet: After more Africans get tested for Neanderthal genes, one of the current models will turn into a theory with the most evidence.
Wait, about the Neanderthal thing; when humans migrated out of Africa, the mated with Neanderthals in the Middle East then populated the rest of the world. I think what they mean when they say:
"This surprising result is difficult to reconcile with current models of human origins "
...about human origins, is that they believed humans and Neanderthals were a different species and could not have mated, this theory was the more popular one before the results, I think that is what they meant...
Actually:
The first proto-Neanderthal traits appeared in Europe as early as 600,000–350,000 years ago.[2] Proto-Neanderthal traits are occasionally grouped to another phenetic 'species', Homo heidelbergensis, or a migrant form, Homo rhodesiensis.
By 130,000 years ago, complete Neanderthal characteristics had appeared. These characteristics then disappeared in Asia by 50,000 years ago and in Europe by about 30,000 years ago, with no further individuals having enough Neanderthal morphological traits to be considered as part of Homo neanderthalensis.[3][not in citation given]
Current (as of 2010) genetic evidence suggests interbreeding took place with Homo sapiens sapiens (anatomically modern humans) between roughly 80,000 to 50,000 years ago in the Middle East, resulting in 1–4% of the genome of people from Eurasia having been contributed by Neanderthals.
So if anything, it would seem as if the results also support OOA. Doesn't the MRT state humans migrated out 1.8 million years ago or something?
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According to the newspaper, a research team led by Jin Li (of Fudan University in Shanghai has found that modern humans evolved from asingle origin, not multiple origins as some experts believe.
Whew! there for a minute I thought he was suggesting everybody came from one individual; kind of in line with that prokaryote/eukaryote stuff. I guess I can put my Bible back on the shelf.
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If humans originated in East Asia, for the sake of entertaining idiocy for a second, then they must have first essentially emptied Asia, gone to Africa, and then back to Asia, as Africa has far more diversity than non-African territories and also has the deepest clades. Now why on earth would early humans...uhem...I mean "east Asians" do such a thing?
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After more Africans get tested for Neanderthal genes, one of the current models will turn into a theory with the most evidence.
That would be a neat trick, as there were no neanderthals in Africa. This means, they would have only obtained it from genetic exchange with non-Africans who, according to one report, carried traces of Neanderthal lineage. I don't see how that makes a slightest dent in the African origin.
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I am sure he believes the earth is flat also. Why waste the bandwidth. He! He! He!
quote:Originally posted by NonProphet:
Don't be fooled Calabooz at 0:20 he is expressing the mainstream Chinese belief that the Chinese originate from Homo Erectus locally(see MultiRegional theory)and not 'Out of Africa' just like the study I posted concludes but they lie to Western media. The xenophobic, shrewd Chinese have the highest average IQ in the world as East Asians, greatest number of Scientists/Engineers per capita and plan long term to absorb Africa in their empire.
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New analysis shows three human migrations out of Africa
Replacement theory 'demolished'
February 2, 2006, Washington University, St. Louis
A new, more robust analysis of recently derived human gene trees by Alan R. Templeton, Ph.D, of Washington University in St Louis, shows three distinct major waves of human migration out of Africa instead of just two, and statistically refutes — strongly — the 'Out of Africa' replacement theory.
That theory holds that populations of Homo sapiens left Africa 100,000 years ago and wiped out existing populations of humans. Templeton has shown that the African populations interbred with the Eurasian populations — thus, making love, not war. *Homo sapiens*: 'Out of Africa' three distinct times, new analysis shows
*Homo sapiens*: 'Out of Africa' three distinct times, new analysis shows
"The 'Out of Africa' replacement theory has always been a big controversy," Templeton said. "I set up a null hypothesis and the program rejected that hypothesis using the new data with a probability level of 10 to the minus 17th. In science, you don't get any more conclusive than that. It says that the hypothesis of no interbreeding is so grossly incompatible with the data, that you can reject it."
Templeton's analysis is considered to be the only definitive statistical test to refute the theory, dominant in human evolution science for more than two decades.
"Not only does the new analysis reject the theory, it demolishes it," Templeton said.
Templeton published his results in the Yearbook of Physical Anthropology, 2005.
A trellis, not a tree
He used a computer program called GEODIS, which he created in 1995 and later modified with the help of David Posada, Ph.D., and Keith Crandall, Ph.D. at Brigham Young University, to determine genetic relationships among and within populations based on an examination of specific haplotypes, clusters of genes that are inherited as a unit.
In 2002, Templeton analyzed ten different haplotype trees and performed phylogeographic analyses that reconstructed the history of the species through space and time.
Three years later, he had 25 regions to analyze and the data provided molecular evidence of a third migration, this one the oldest, back to 1.9 million years ago.
"This time frame corresponds extremely well with the fossil record, which shows Homo erectus expanding out of Africa then," Templeton said.
Another novel find is that populations of Homo erectus in Eurasia had recurrent genetic interchange with African populations 1.5 million years ago, much earlier than previously thought, and that these populations persisted instead of going extinct, which some human evolution researchers thought had occurred. Alan Templeton
Alan Templeton
The new data confirm an expansion out of Africa to 700,000 years ago that was detected in the 2002 analysis.
"Both (the 1.9 million and 700,000 year) expansions coincide with recent paleoclimatic data that indicate periods of very high rainfall in eastern Africa, making what is now the Sahara Desert a savannah," Templeton said. "That makes the timing very amenable for movements of large populations through the area."
Templeton said that the fossil record indicates a significant change in brain size for modern humans at 700,000 years ago as well as the adaptation and expansion of a new stone tool culture first found in Africa and later at 700,000 years expanded throughout Eurasia.
"By the time you're done with this phase you can be 99 percent confident that there was recurrent genetic interchange between African and Eurasian populations," he said. "So the idea of pure, distinct races in humans does not exist. We humans don't have a tree relationship, rather a trellis. We're intertwined."
By Tony Fitzpatrick
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^ As I stated before; There is no such construct as the Albino presented human distinction as, RACE. There is only a people bearing different levels of Melanination. That's it.
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