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Are we finally done entertaining the nonsense about "white" Cro-Magnons, Neanderthals, and such?
Sorry about the size/format of the document. I'm still learning how to post docs.
Define 'White' and/or 'Black' in scientific terms only. If you can't define the terms, post images representative of 'White' and/or 'Black' people.
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^^ Us black folk know how to identify ourselves, science or NO science...git ya head outta the white man's ass and use some common sense...or are you white
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^^ Sup, Mike111. What do you mean you all "beat this nonsense to hell"? Elaborate please. I'm not sure what conclusion you all came to. Is the user NonProphet considered a "resident white"? Thanks.
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quote:Originally posted by Misanthropist: ^^ Sup, Mike111. What do you mean you all "beat this nonsense to hell"? Elaborate please. I'm not sure what conclusion you all came to. Is the user NonProphet considered a "resident white"? Thanks.
Beats me, you know, you never can tell on the internet.
NonProphet are you White?
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If you use google to search the egyptsearch forum you can find our discussions on those subjects.
It doesn't matter Mike. What have you and others of your race accomplished in modern times? You claim everything ancient and have yet to show anything of worth in modern times. Where has all the genius of the black race gone?
Quit living in denial, deal with it, and move on. If your race had accomplished great things in ancient times, it would be evident all over Africa south of the Sahara.
Show us the evidence south of the Sahara instead of going to other places.
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^Quote: Where has all the genius of the black race gone?
I do know what happened to it, and I do know that it did not stop. Many of the things that we all take for granted in modern life, was invented by Blacks.
But true, the great Black civilizations are long gone, and show no hope of resurgence.
As to why those in SS Africa have never established great and modern civilizations - beats me. But the evidence suggests that they are, and were always, simply fuch-ups.
See, Blacks face the truth!
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Mike what have blacks invented in modern times that we take for granted?
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Here is some inventions by Africans that is easy to ignore read and Learn:
George W. Carver: Peanut Butter Paints & Satins Lotion & Soaps
Alexander Miles: Elevator
Garrett Morgan: Gas Mask Traffic Signal
Granville T. Woods Telephone Transmitter Electric Cutoff Switch Relay Instrument Telephone System Galvanic Battery Electric Raillway System Roller Coaster Auto Air Brake
Man Brada, Your thread on African scientists etc is a eye opener. This is something a person like simple really needs to read to get over her ignorance.
I also Noticed after me and Mike posted the inventions done by Africans, that she is quiet. Racists never like to admit when they are wrong....Sadly simple is just looking to stereotype Africans and believes in the "Blacks never Invented anything" foolishness. Hopefully for her sake she takes the time to read the thread you linked to and she learns something.
Peace
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quote:Originally posted by Misanthropist: Thanks, Mike111.
let me inform you. Mike does not believe in evolutionary adaptation. He disagrees with premise of the article you posted entirely.
In the article you posted evolutionary science says that when dark skinned people settled into more Northern regions there was less light there so gradually over this 6-12,000 estimated yr period they lost their pigmentation because it wasn't necessary to have that much protection against the sun there.
It is also hypothesized that this occurred in order for people to get more vitamin D because it is a fact that people with less melanin absorb vitamin D faster. They also settled in colder climates where they were covered up by clothing and had much less skin exposed to be able to absorb vitamin D. Add to this also the change from a meat heavy diet of the hunter gatherer to the agricultural society in which they ate less meat and more grain, grain which lacks vitamin D, although meat doesn't have that much either. One exception is the Eskimos who got plenty of vitamin D from a diet very heavy in fish one of the very few food sources of vitamin D apart from sunlight the primary source.
Another evolutionary adaptation is that in cold climates people's limbs get shorter and thicker in proportion to the rest of their bodies. This is so there is less surface area to be exposed to the cold.
The science minded people on this site , Explorer, Kalonji, zarahan, Djehuti generally all believe this science.
Mike however has an alternative theory. It's the albino theory, no professional scientist believes in. Mike's theory is that no environmental adaptation occurred leading to lighter skin. He says that light skinned people like many European whites and many light skinned Asians have ancestors who were albino.
An albino is not the result of a gradual thousands of years process of adaptation.
Tanzania is the country of the highest rate of albinism. Albinos do not come about gradually they are born suddenly with no pigmentation from parents who have pigmentation, in the case of Africans, dark pigmentation.
Mike prefers this theory because if he were to accept that there was evolutionary adaptation that happened over 6- 12,000 years it might include other things besides skin color and limbs with a shorter proportions. He worries that opens the door for people to claim superiority.
So he prefers the albinism theory. It's popular among some of our people because it portrays white people as diseased, albinos. It's like revenge against all the negative propaganda they heaped on us over the years.
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If you use google to search the egyptsearch forum you can find our discussions on those subjects.
It doesn't matter Mike. What have you and others of your race accomplished in modern times? You claim everything ancient and have yet to show anything of worth in modern times. Where has all the genius of the black race gone?
Quit living in denial, deal with it, and move on. If your race had accomplished great things in ancient times, it would be evident all over Africa south of the Sahara.
Show us the evidence south of the Sahara instead of going to other places.
The genius of the Black man has gone to benefit Europeans.In fact, many of the benefits we take foregrated, were introduced by Afro-Americans, including toilet paper.
It is the Black man that has always been the scientific base of American society. First, as the slaves who perfected agriculture and architecture (since it was the Black slaves who introduced agricultural science, cleaned the land and built the buildings of America).
Europeans are very ungrateful. It has been the Black man who made this civilization. They get an idea and we make it work, may it be the telephone, lightbulb and the WWW.
The problem is we don't always get the credit. Since Europeans have the money to mass produce goods and services they promote themselves, and lie about our history.
Like most Europeans you live in a dream world, You need us for your progress without us you would be at each others throats as proven by the French Indian War, Napoleons Wars, WWI and WWII.
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There are blue mptherf&ck!ng monkeys out there, Neanderthal, an out competed species could have been green for all we know.
And Neanderthal was Eurasian, i think European, so this shows the failure of picture spam "eyeball" scholarship.
Why should this thread have anything to do with them? And yeah, leucodermic skin in wide scale in humans is likely like 5-6k years old. So what?
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^To tell the truth simple girl, I have no clue as to why Blacks in Timbuktu, build something like this:
Timbuktu mosque
While just a thousand miles away in Spain, Blacks built magnificent mosques like this.
They built things like that because of the secret society.
The secret society limits the expression of creativity of African people by stimulating knowledge in the order, but maintaining the status quo within society. For example, Egypt was a pan African society which flourished because it was built in a neutral area along the Nile.
Look at the Dogon. They have abundant secret knowledge which Europeans have used to learn more about the Universe. Yet, the Dogon do not even repair many of the towns they live in.
Another good example is the Olmecs. The Mande mask and religious expression is crude in Africa. But In Mexico we find full expression of Mande religion publicly.
The Olmec iconography was made to represent the culture of the people. The people making these artifacts did not see the Olmecs as a strange group of people traveling through Mexico as you imagine--since Blacks were already living in Mexico as pointed out above.
The Africans in this art were representations of the Africans, and Black Mexicans who founded the Olmec civilization. To understand this civilization you have to look to Africa, where the original religion of the Olmecs was practiced.
The Olmec religion or cult associations provide the best example of Mande: Malinke-Bambara cultural influences among the Olmecs. The best source of information on the Malinke-Bambara religion is G. Dieterlen (1957) Essai sur le religion Bambara . Dieterlen makes it clear that the Mande culture was transmitted within the Komow : traditional secret society of the Mande.
The two main deities of the Mande were Bemba and Faro. Bemba was the invisible Creator of mankind. Faro, was the visible god who was recognized as androgynous (male-female). The symbol of faro was twins. As a result, in traditional Malinke-Bambara society twins represented the two fold nature of Faro
We learn from the Dieterlen that the first Bambara-Malinke ancestors transformed into Birds and hyenas (Felines). This tradition led to the origin of the two major Mande cult associations Kuno (Bird) and Nama (Feline), gyo/jo ‘cult associations
The Nama (feline) initiatory society was organized to maintain order within society. The members of this jo were to insure ceremonial unity and defeat sorcery The leader of the Nama Jo , wear mask which combine totems of komo, horns and the mask represented immense spiritual power according to Zahan Dominique (1974), The Bambara .
The Komo was administered by sculptor-smiths. Their role was to guard society from people committing antisocial acts and protect people from malevolent spirits.
The leader of the Jo cult association was the Komo-tigi ‘chief of the komo’ . The Komo, teaches initiates ‘leadership’, self-sufficiency, military prowess and scientific knowledge.
The komo acculturated the Mande children. Thusly the children in the komo were called tigi-denw: ‘children of the tigi’ . The children often served as tigi-tuguw “carriers of the torches’.
The children belonged to the ntomo or n’domo . The ntomo association was charged with making the initiates “noble”.
And understanding of the traditional, pre-Islamic religion of the Malinke-Bambara allows us an intimate understanding of the Olmec religion.
The principal Olmec cult associations was that of the bird and the feline. This religious tradition of the Olmec, passed on to the Maya, are mentioned in the Book of Chumayel, which maintains that the three main cult associations that are suppose to have existed in ancient times were (1) the stone (cutters) cult, (2) the jaguar cult and (3) the bird cult. In lines 4-6 of the Book of Chumayel , we read that "Those with their sign in the bird, those with their sign in the stone, flat worked stone, those with their sign in the Jaguar-three emblems-".(Brotherston 1979).
The Olmec left testimony to this religious tradition in their art. These documents in sto ne indicate that the Olmec had to cult associations that of the Bird Mask and that of the Feline Mask. The Book of Chumayel, corresponds to the gylphs depicted on Monument 13 at La Venta .
. On Monument 13, at La Venta a personage in profile, he has a headress on his head and wears a breechcloth, jewels and sandals, along with four glyphs listed one above the other. The glyphs included the stone, the jaguar, and the bird emblems. Monument 13, at La Venta also has a fourth sign to the left of the personage a foot gylphs. This monument has been described as an altar or a low column.
The foot in Olmec is called "se", this symbols means to "lead or advance toward knowledge, or success". The "se" (foot) sign of the komow (cults) represent the beginning of the Olmec initiates pursuit of knowledge.
The meaning of Monument 13, reading from top to bottom, are a circle kulu/ kaba (the stone), nama (jaguar) and the kuno (bird). The interpretation of this column reading from left to right is "The advance toward success--power--for the initiate is obedience to the stone cutters cult, jaguar cult and the bird cult". The Jaguar mask association dominated the Olmec Gulf region.
In the central and southern Olmec regions we find the bird mask association predominate as typified by the Xoc bas relief of Chiapas, and the Bas Relief No.2, of Chalcatzingo. Another bird mask cult association was located in the state of Guerrero as evidenced by the humano-bird figure of the Stelae from San Miguel Amuco.
The religious orders spoken of in this stela are the Bird and Jaguar cults. These Olmec cults were Nama or the Humano-Jaguar cult; and Kuno or Bird cult. The leader of the Nama cult was called the Nama-tigi (see Nama chief Illustration 7 Stela No.5 Izapa) , or Amatigi (head of the faith). The leader of the Kuno cult was the Kuno-tigi (Kuno chief see Illustration 6 Stela No.5). These cult leaders initiated the Olmec into the mysteries of the cult.
Among the Olmecs this flame signified the luminous character of knowledge. The Kuno priest wears a conical hat(see Illustration No.6). The evidence of the conical hat on the Kuno priest is important evidence of the Manding in ancient America. The conical hat in Meso-America is associated with Amerindian priesthood and as a symbol of political and religious authority . Leo Wiener (1922, v.II: p.321) wrote that: "That the kingly and priestly cap of the Magi should have been preserved in America in the identical form, with the identical decoration,and should, besides, have kept the name current for it among the Mandingo [Malinke-Bambara/Manding] people , makes it impossible to admit any other solution than the one that the Mandingoes established the royal offices in Mexico".
Acculturation of children was an important part duty of the Olmec priesthood. As a result we find many examples of children being provided knowledge by the priest.
The Olmec child is very evident in Olmec art. To the Olmec childhood represent the primitive state of mankind, when man was pure and ignorant of nature. Thus the child in Olmec art represents the human being when he left his creator’s hands: uncircumcised and androgynous.
Adults respected children very much. This view is supported by the motifs on Altar No.5 of LaVenta. On this monument we see a personage emerging from the stone altar with the glyph po gbe ‘Pure Righteousness’ on his headdress. He is carrying a babe in his arms resting on his lap.
On the other side of the monument we see two personages, each with a different helmet style. These scenes suggest that the Olmec child was to learn wisdom, this is illustrated by the animated conversation between the child and the priest.
On the right-hand side we see a priest and a child again. This time the priest has a snake on his helmet. Instead of carrying the child on his lap in this scene, the child is carried on the personage’s side and wearing a jaguar mask. This indicates that once the child completed the initiation he was recognized a individual to be respected capable of giving advise to adults.
These examples from Olmec iconography make it clear that the Olmec religion is exactly the same as the pre-Islamic religion of the Malinke Bambara.
It illustrates that the Olmec were not Chinese enunchs being prepared to protect the Harems of Shang kings as suggested by Childress.
Traditional African societies limit the expression of African genius by maintaining the status quo.
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Clyde - You had made this point earlier, I am very happy that you have now taken the time to explain your logic.
And I must say that it does form a basis for explaining SSA "Arrested Development". Africans are still today, very clan and cult oriented, and exclusionary to outsiders. Thus maintaining the status quo, and inhibiting growth from outside influences.
Add their ingrown prejudices against each other, which prohibits working together and learning from each other.
To demonstrate this, I go back to the Timbuktu mosque.
It is said that on his return from Mecca, Mansa Mussa brought with him an Egyptian architect by the name of Abu Es Haq Es Saheli. The architect was paid 200kg of gold to built Jingaray Ber or, the Friday Prayers Mosque (circa 1300).
Now of course, Abu Es Haq Es Saheli was NOT really an Egyptian - as we know, Egyptians were Black people, expert in every discipline. Only a Turk calling himself an Egyptian could build such a crude structure, and only an ignorant dumb-assed Nigger not wanting to show himself inferior to other Blacks, would accept such a thing, rather than go to the Berbers in the north west and get something like this built - and probably for a lot less money. (Not wanting to show himself inferior to other Blacks - thus going to Whites. Think about the fuch-ups this has caused).
Even today, there are delusional Blacks, who look upon those Abu Es Haq Es Saheli structures, which to me, resemble something that a kid would build at the beach, as indicators of an advanced society. Being taken for a ride by a Turk makes you advanced?
We know that the ancient ex-patriot Africans build great civilizations, because the hostile environments that they lived in, required everyone to work together.
We know that Whites were able to conquer and absorb, the wonders of these original Black civilizations - and then expand upon that which they had taken.
The sub-Saharan's have not had, thus could not benefited from, that type of external stress and input - and the necessary societal changes to combat it, until the European colonization which just ended. Lets see if that has given them the spark to move forward.
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I also Noticed after me and Mike posted the inventions done by Africans, that she is quiet. [/QB]
No I simply went to bed. I don't stay up all night and day obsessing over this stuff.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^Well, the browser that you are using to ask your questions was invented by this Black Trini.
I don't want to take anything away from his accomplishment, but he didn't invent the web browser.
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Here is some inventions by Africans that is easy to ignore read and Learn:
George W. Carver: Peanut Butter Paints & Satins Lotion & Soaps
Well paints, satins, lotion and soaps were already in existence well before Carvers time. So was peanut butter.
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"es~Saheli" was from al~Andalus. Mansa Musa met him in Egypt. Musa hired "es~Saheli" hoping for al~Andalus style architecture. When "es~Saheli" arrived in Sahel he discovered the lack of building materials prevented him from producing anything other than the very same architecture Djennereans imported throughout the Sahel. With all the architectural know how of al~Andalus at his disposal es~Saheli could not best the local architects and found he had to adopt their technique.
Here is some inventions by Africans that is easy to ignore read and Learn:
Alexander Miles: Elevator
I take it that you are trying to say that Miles invented the first elevator? If not then you need to rephrase and not try and mislead people.
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Djenne was a prosperous trading center as well as a university town with thousands of teachers who gave lectures and conducted research on many topics. The city produced physicians and surgeons who performed such delicate operations as the removal of cataracts from the human eye.
The city's walls and most of its buildings were constructed of clay (not mud) that was shaped into flat long bricks rounded at the ends. The sun baked bricks were set in in walls with mortar and then were rough-casted. Constructions of this material are very durable requiring only renewed rough-casting to stand for centuries and give the appearance of being cut from one huge block of stone.
The walls of the dwellings have a slight inward tilt and are windowless. After the Moorish conquest, windows with wooden shutters of an Arabian style were imported from Tombouctou where they were manufactured. Openings in the ceiling or roof admitted light and air. The highest parts of walls are adorned with triangular battlements, the entrances are pylonic as are the decorations of the façades.
The houses are two storeys, the second floor surmounted by a terrace. To form flat roofs, planks are laid across the length and width of the house and covered by branches and rushes which in turn are covered by a thin layer of earth of mud consistency. Plumbing systems of baked pipes installed in each dwelling carry away household water and latrines with perfectly constructed drainage are established on all terraces.
The Madou, or governor's mansion, was the only monumental edifice. It was destroyed to be replaced by a mosque measuring a square 183 feet by 39 feet high. Each façade of the mosque faced a cardinal point. The north and south façades displayed two rows of windows that lighted a closed gallery running around the square. A quadrangular tower imposed with steps opened onto the terrace by means of an edicule.
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The citizens of Djenne operated routine staffed businesses comprised of relatives, slaves, and free working class individuals. The firms had branches and representatives in important centers at Tombouktou.
Their warehouses were the ground floor of large houses storing * cereals (rice, millet, semolina) * honey * karita * arachides * spices * onions * indigo * kola nuts * neta flour * monkey bread fruit * lead * iron * ostrich feathers * ivory * virgin gold * civet musk * marble * antimony * native fabrics * linen * wool
Commercial fleet vessels were made of ebony or cedar made watertight by straw, tow, and clay. These craft measure 58-65' x 10 having a maximum displacement of 30 tons thus replacing a 200 camel caravan. The great merchants have their own boats while fleets carrying merchandise and passengers at fixed rates served the less wealthy. Waterproof stuff was placed in the hold and covered by the more delicate merchandise on which passengers lay or sit on their heels protected by an awning.
The market occupies a large square in the town's center intersected with paths for buyers and raised spots for sellers. Three sides are lined by shops, the fourth opening upon the mosque. Women sell food and household goods with piles of cowries beside them indicating their prices. Men sell the choicer goods at the shops in market center marked by three square posts where can be found the money changer who converts gold and silver into cowries. The butcher shop sells joints of meat which are suspended for selection and live sheep. Nearby are free furnaces for roasting purchases after buying fuel from the adjacent wood seller.
Djenne merchants settled in Tombouctou introducing baked brick housing when it was still little more than a watering place for transhumant Twareg pastors.
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: "es~Saheli" was from al~Andalus. Mansa Musa met him in Egypt. Musa hired "es~Saheli" hoping for al~Andalus style architecture. When "es~Saheli" arrived in Sahel he discovered the lack of building materials prevented him from producing anything other than the very same architecture Djennereans imported throughout the Sahel. With all the architectural know how of al~Andalus at his disposal es~Saheli could not best the local architects and found he had to adopt their technique.
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He,he, I was wondering who the African "False Excuse Maker" would be. You're it alTakruri.
. Niger and Sénégal river valleys would provide timber.
Do you know what these things are that they are making today?
THEY ARE MAKING BRICKS!!!!!
THIS IS WHAT THE SUMERIANS MADE WITH BRICKS 4,000 YEARS PREVIOUS!
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This Djennerean architecture best exemplified by the towns Grand Masjid is the epitome of civics like nothing developed by any other people anywhere else in the world.
quote:If your race had accomplished great things in ancient times, it would be evident all over Africa south of the Sahara.
This is a very silly argument. Follow the logical conclusion: The fact that "your race" i.e. europeans had no inventions to show before 900BC proves trhat they could not have invented, were indeed incapable of inventing, anything subsequently.
Let's draw another aspect your silly argument to its logical conclusion: The fact that Germany consisted of wild barbaric tribes until roughly 500AD proves that prior civilized regions of Europe could not have been the product of Europeans.
Or we can draw this conclusion: The fact that the West Indian islands and most of North America consisted of tribes which were still neolithic means that Mayan, Aztec, and Incan civilizations could not have been achieved by Native Americans.
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Man is no older than around 6,000 years. And there is no evidence for the contrary. Recorded history only began 3,500BC.
Holy- batsh!t you are that far gone? and I guess man and dinosaurs walk the earth together? Posts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
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