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Does anyone know anything about this picture:
Egyptian Memorial Stone of a Syrian Soldier Drinking Beer
An Eighteenth Dynasty painting of a Syrian mercenary shown drinking beer in the company of his Egyptian wife and child.
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awlaadberry don't jump to conclusions, it will take many comparisons to determine where the man is from.
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I wish I could find the Website I copied it from...I think the website said It was a "Levantine" rather than a "Syrian" but I could be wrong..
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Mike I think you are Correct, like I said the site I copied it from said he was from the Levant(Canaan), Im about 85% sure of that. Good eye Mike more prooof that he is a Levantine/Canaanite.
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quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari: I wish I could find the Website I copied it from...I think the website said It was a "Levantine" rather than a "Syrian" but I could be wrong..
How does being Levantine make him not Syrian?
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quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari: I found the Original but copied it as a screenshot I can't find the original Website..It's supposed to be a Syrian and Egyptian Woman.
Is there a picture here? If so, I didn't receive it.
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quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari: I found the Original but copied it as a screenshot I can't find the original Website..It's supposed to be a Syrian and Egyptian Woman.
Is there a picture here? If so, I didn't receive it.
I thought Syria was more specific and applied to the Assyrian Empire.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: awlaadberry - Syria was originally a small area in southern Canaan. Probably where the Philistines finally settled.
The modern region of Syria was a Roman creation. In those days it did not exist.
Did Syria not apply to Assyria?? Did'nt know Modern Syria was a Roman Invention..Note Taken. Assyria
Alwaadberry I poste a Link to the Image..
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: awlaadberry - Syria was originally a small area in southern Canaan. Probably where the Philistines finally settled.
The modern region of Syria was a Roman creation. In those days it did not exist.
Ancient Syria was a much larger area than modern Syria and Syria is/was the Levant or a part of the Levant.
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quote:Originally posted by AswaniAswad: Awlaad how would u say a Syrian is an Arab. Not all Syrians are arabs many syrians are really arameans including much of Iraq.
Many Syrians,Iraqi,and Lebanese are not arab,its like claiming the Akkadians to be Arabs.
Many Jacobites dont have an arab lineage.
Because I am talking about the ancient Syrians like the one in the picture I posted. The ancient Syrians were the Amorites and they are Arabs from the Arabian Peninsula.
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Did ancient Syrians consider themselves Arabs?
I know ancient Persians didn't, and there are even modern Iran-nationalists who oppose Arab cultural domination / assimilation / imperialism.
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^ Elamites are not Persians either but the original inhabitants of Iran before the Indo-European speaking Medes and Persians took over the land
quote:Originally posted by Ma'Ass: Were Syrians allowed to marry Egyptian Women?
Also, The woman looks less African than the Syrian!
To your first question, yes-- as long as the Egyptian women were not royals.
As to your second ridiculous comment, LOL Sure the woman looks less African despite her chocolate dark skin braided hair and white linen dress. Quit dreaming Afrangi. Posts: 26252 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Guys - the dagger in his waistband suggests to me that he is a Canaanite.
Interesting. That may explain his black appearance. We know the Bible among other sources suggest the Canaanites close relations to Egyptians and other Africans.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Guys - the dagger in his waistband suggests to me that he is a Canaanite.
Interesting. That may explain his black appearance. We know the Bible among other sources suggest the Canaanites close relations to Egyptians and other Africans.
Do you still believe that anyone dark must come from what you call "Africa"?
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Then you must be one of those "some" with a political agenda, because the "Levant" is even more "meaningless" than "Africa".
As for the ramble about "no color barrier", that should therefore extend to other Africans. The Egyptians were very resolute about distinguishing themselves from "Asiatics" (Ammu). So, your characterization about these two entities being "very closely" related is another political agenda.
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^ Indeed, but the kooky khawaga fails to realize his own double-speak.
In the mean time he misconstrues my point that the Bible states that Canaan is one of the four sons of Ham with the other sons being Kush (Sudan), Mizraim (Egypt), and Phut (Libya). Egypt, the entire Nile Valley, and perhaps Africa as a whole was referred to by the ancient Hebrews as 'The Land of Ham'. Therefore it is clear to anyone that the best interpretation is that Canaan is an extension of Africa.
Of course ancient Canaanites are not the same as Modern day Druse, Palestinians, and Jews who may have ancestry from Canaanites but also have ancestry from other peoples.
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The Egyptians were very resolute about distinguishing themselves from "Asiatics" (Ammu).
You missed the other half, which is they did the same with Black Africans as well.
No need to go into a picture spam, but there are hundreds of such images everywhere you care to look.
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^ And how can the Egyptians distinguish themselves from black Africans when they ARE black Africans, moron??
What term did they even use for "black Africans".
By the way, the Egyptian word for black is KM which they used for themselves!
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Mau Egyptians are very closely related to people from the Levant, especially The Druse, Palestinians, and even Jews. In the old days, there was no color barrier and people cared more about culture than color.
Yes well kinda since they were running the Levant since the time of PepyI and II
is majesty sent me to lead this army 5 times to subdue the land of the Sand Dwellers, every time they rebelled, with these troops. I acted so that his majesty praised me for it. Told that there were rebels amongst these foreigners at the 'Nose-of-the-Gazelle's-head' I crossed in ships, together with these troops. I put to land at the back of the height of the mountain range to the north of the land of the Sand-Dwellers, while (the other) half of this army were travelling by land. I turned back, I obstructed all of them and slew every rebel amongst them. http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/pepi1.htmPosts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
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I would say the most obvious is the full beard, hair that doesn't reach the shoulders plus headband.And for whatever reason, varying skin color.
The bust of Sargon of Akkad also has a headband in it.
One of the oldest portrays of Ammu in comparison to ancient Egyptians below. Benni Hassan Posts: 41 | Registered: Jul 2008
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One of the oldest portrays of Ammu in comparison to ancient Egyptians below. Benni Hassan
You will also find pictures of ancient Egyptians the same color as the Ammu in the picture you posted.
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As I mentioned they played with skin color but with maintaining a general foreign appearance for the observer to recognize. Maybe with increased pressure of foreigners they wanted to draw a sharper line via white and black to themselves. Tiles found in the tomb of Rameses III depicting a Libyan, Nubian, Syrian, Bedouin, Hittite But the murals from Benni Hassan are one of the first showing Ammorites.
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quote:Originally posted by Pulp: As I mentioned they played with skin color but with maintaining a general foreign appearance for the observer to recognize. Maybe with increased pressure of foreigners they wanted to draw a sharper line via white and black to themselves. Tiles found in the tomb of Rameses III depicting a Libyan, Nubian, Syrian, Bedouin, Hittite But the murals from Benni Hassan are one of the first showing Ammorites.
There is not a "general foreign appearance" here but five different appearances
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ And how can the Egyptians distinguish themselves from black Africans when they ARE black Africans, moron??
What term did they even use for "black Africans".
By the way, the Egyptian word for black is KM which they used for themselves!
Didn't they call these "foreigners":
It wasn't about "African" and "non-African" because there was no "Africa".
Excellent Points: There Was No Africa During Ancient Times. It is All About Regional Neighbors And Relationships.
As, I have Already Shown These "House Negros", Africa Is A Racist Western Concoction.
Mediterranean Region - Red Sea Region - makes much more sense than Africa.Posts: 422 | From: Leave No Stone Unturned! | Registered: Feb 2011
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: ______SYRIAN______________________________KUSHITE_____________________________LIBYAN _____________HORUS__________________EGYPTIAN_______________________________________SYRIAN
illustration after tomb of Seti I
Lioness - This IS YOUR bogus post.
You know very well that this is a bogus MODERN DRAWING from the Theban mapping project.
In authentic Egyptian art, they are all of similar color.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: ______SYRIAN______________________________KUSHITE_____________________________LIBYAN _____________HORUS__________________EGYPTIAN_______________________________________SYRIAN
illustration after tomb of Seti I
The Ancient Egyptians Seem "Perfect"!!
Combining All The Best Features In The Region!
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: ______SYRIAN______________________________KUSHITE_____________________________LIBYAN _____________HORUS__________________EGYPTIAN_______________________________________SYRIAN
illustration after tomb of Seti I
Lioness - This IS YOUR bogus post.
You know very well that this is a bogus MODERN DRAWING from the Theban mapping project.
In authentic Egyptian art, they are all of similar color.
Great picture Mike!
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: the thing is Lioness KNOWS this, as Altakruri already debunked her on the Herd of Ra/Mural or Races thread.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: ______SYRIAN______________________________KUSHITE_____________________________LIBYAN _____________HORUS__________________EGYPTIAN_______________________________________SYRIAN
illustration after tomb of Seti I
Lioness - This IS YOUR bogus post.
You know very well that this is a bogus MODERN DRAWING from the Theban mapping project.
In authentic Egyptian art, they are all of similar color.
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quote:Originally posted by AswaniAswad: Awlaad how would u say a Syrian is an Arab. Not all Syrians are arabs many syrians are really arameans including much of Iraq.
Many Syrians,Iraqi,and Lebanese are not arab,its like claiming the Akkadians to be Arabs.
Many Jacobites dont have an arab lineage.
Because I am talking about the ancient Syrians like the one in the picture I posted. The ancient Syrians were the Amorites and they are Arabs from the Arabian Peninsula.
Interesting that you say that Tariq because the guy does look somewhat like a modern Murad from the Yemen. But Amorites and Phoenicians were definitely not the only people occupying Syria/Palestine. There were a lot of round-headed fair-skinned folk there whom the Greeks called "white Syrians" who had nothing to do with Arabs.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Whoops - Sorry Lioness. Pulp - The picture that you posted is bogus An "AUTHENTIC" Egyptian tile was "GLAZED".
The nonsense that you posted is NOT Glazed.
THESE are authentic Egyptian tile.
ONCE THE GLAZE HAS WORN OFF, OR HAS BEEN REMOVED, THERE IS NO WAY TO SAY WHAT THE ORIGINAL LOOKED LIKE - COLOR WISE.
A thousand thanks Mike even though I can't get with that spouting of "whites are albinos" stuff I do have to admit many of your photo postings are indispensable to this forum and to furthering our knowledge of ancient peoples of the past. I hope you are keeping detailed documentation of all of your sources because i lost knwoledge of the whereabouts of a precious Old Kingdom painting of the Libyan Tehenu of the Fayum that shows beyond a doubt the original color and Fulani appearance of the ancestors of Libyans.
All I know is that it was in a book by Nina Davies that can not be withdrawn from libraries in Canada or the United States. If you find it on-line please post it.
The Syro-Canaanites, Libyans and some other groups were definitely often portrayed near the same color as teh Egyptians in Egyptian art. Lyin_ snake and others on this forum as well as European historians of the past do a grave disservice to these ancient peoples by posting all of the faded or lightened up and redrawn works that looked nothing like the originals.
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