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Birds of a feather flock together.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2030782/Libya-Gaddafi-seen-Zimbabwe-Mugabes-private-jet-rebels-march-Sirte.html

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The face of interlopers, foreign meddlers and trouble makers:

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CT,
How do you know fool? 30% of Libya is black. The vile fascist so-called rebels are no more than a bunch of lazy degenerate settlers whose only claim to humanity is a camel, a water jug and dirty, dog-eared nonsense book asking people to do stupid things to save themselves.

One day, the vile spawn of Satan will be expelled back to where they came from.

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And you are quite naively stupid to believe that Gaddafi is in Zimbabwe. The wicked NATO racists have been conjuring up all kinds of places months ago as to where G might be--from Caracas to Algiers. And you blindly believe them.

Hey, your psychic bridegroom boys have been just showing their true colours as experts and past masters of wanton murder, pillage, lawlessness, and just genuine savagery.

Any black--if your claim could possibly be true--who is so in love with and infatuated with such killers, rapists and looters must have some conscious or unconscious anal issues with such, if the subject happens to be male.

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And you cite the Daily Mail, the most fascist right wing daily in Britain for news. I mean just how dumbed down can you be. I wouldn't be surprised if you believe that the Code Noir was a good thing.
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quote:
Originally posted by lamin:
CT,
How do you know fool? 30% of Libya is black. The vile fascist so-called rebels are no more than a bunch of lazy degenerate settlers whose only claim to humanity is a camel, a water jug and dirty, dog-eared nonsense book asking people to do stupid things to save themselves.

One day, the vile spawn of Satan will be expelled back to where they came from.

They are the majority and Gaddafi did nothing to change it:


The Libyan Migration Corridor

by Sylvie Bredeloup & Olivier Pliez

(excerpt:)
Since the 2000s, Libya has implemented a repressive migration policy. As a result, long-establishedmigrants experienced a decrease in their quality of life, and some were even led to leave the country.Let us first focus on the fact that migration in Libya did not start in the 2000s, but goes dates a good deal further back. We will then analyse how transit economy relations were created between Saharantowns on contemporary migratory routes. We will eventually address how the transit issue contributed to a deep change in Libyan migratory policy.....

Tolerance exhibited by Libyan authorities in regard of sub-Saharan migrants in periods of labor shortages continues to alternate with periods of arrests and expulsions (Spiga, 2005; Bredeloup, Zongo, 2005).

In the early 2000s and even prior to it, the Libyan upper and middle classes used this precarious workforce to have villas built at inexpensive prices in Tripoli’s well-off areas, as well as secondary houses throughout the country....

The 2004 report shows that 43,000 illegal migrants were administratively removed by charter following orders from the Libyan regime in 2003, and 54,000 of them in 2004. The fact that theLibyan authorities took part in such expulsion and repatriation policies means that we should step backand remember a few facts here. Expulsions have been part of Libyan migration policy since the 1960sat least, that is to say a long time before the question of transit migration was even addressed. Between1966 and 1985, migration flows from Tunisia fell into 8 waves of expulsion and 3 of open door policy.In 1985, during the economic crisis, nearly 80,000 immigrants living in Libya were expelled in twomonths. In 1995, Libya used the embargo and economic crisis to justify the departure of 335,000foreign nationals, including 200,000 expelled migrants. After the 2000 riots, 33,000 Sub-Saharanpeople officially left the country, voluntarily or not, but the figures are evidently higher. Departurerates have been high since then. Between 2003 and 2005, nearly 145,000 Sub-Saharan people werereportedly expelled7. In 2006, Libya is said to have arrested 32,164 people while 53,842 wererepatriated8. However, even though each of these expulsion waves seems to be closely linked toLibya’s economic situation, they all have their political logic as well (O.Pliez, 2004)

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Sep 2010

Gadaffi made the provocative remarks during a two-day visit to the Italian capital, Rome to mark the second anniversary of a controversial bilateral ‘friendship’ pact.

“Libya, with Italy’s support, asks the EU to provide at least 5 billion dollars a year to stop illegal immigration, otherwise Europe could one day become part of Africa - it could become black, because millions want to come here,”


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NYTimes Aug 24 2011

After Arab Revolts, Reigns of Uncertainty

DJERBA, Tunisia — The idealism of the revolts in Egypt and Tunisia, where the power of the street revealed the frailty of authority, revived an Arab world anticipating change. But Libya’s unfinished revolution, as inspiring as it is unsettling, illustrates how perilous that change has become as it unfolds in this phase of the Arab Spring.
Though the rebels’ flag has gone up in Tripoli, their leadership is fractured and opaque; the intentions and influence of Islamists in their ranks are uncertain; Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi remains at large in a flight reminiscent of Saddam Hussein’s; and foreigners have been involved in the fight in the kind of intervention that has long been toxic to the Arab world.

Not to mention, of course, that a lot of young men have a lot of guns.

No uprising is alike, but Libya’s complexities echo in the revolts in Bahrain, Syria and, most of all, Yemen, suggesting that the prolonged transition of Arab countries to a new order may prove as tumultuous to the region as Egypt’s moment was stirring.

Unlike at the start of the year, when the revolutionary momentum seemed unstoppable, uncertainty is far more pronounced today, as several countries face the prospect of stalemate, sustained conflict or power vacuums that may render them ungovernable. Already in Yemen, militant Islamists have found a haven. Across the region, the repercussions of the uprisings are colliding with the assumptions of the older, American-backed system: control of oil, the influence of a reactionary Saudi Arabia, an Arab-Israeli truce, and the maintenance of order at the expense of freedom in a region that for decades has been, at least superficially, one of the world’s most stable.

In just the past week, Colonel Qaddafi lost his capital, Tripoli; the United States and European countries called on President Bashar al-Assad of Syria to step down; the president of Yemen, still recovering from burns suffered in an attack, has promised to return; and the relationship between Egypt and Israel descended into crisis, to the jubilation of many Egyptians who saw a more assertive government as a windfall of Mr. Mubarak’s fall.

“There is going to be a transfer of power in our societies, and a new order has begun to take shape in the region,” said Michel Kilo, an opposition figure in Damascus, Syria.

Already, Israel has begun to face what it feared the revolts might unleash: foreign policies in the Arab world that reflect deep popular resentment over the plight of Palestinians. The most puritanical Islamists, known by their shorthand as Salafists, have emerged as a force in Egypt, Libya, Syria and elsewhere, with suspicions that Saudi Arabia has encouraged and financed them. Alliances have begun to be redrawn: Turkey and Syria’s growing partnership ruptured over Mr. Assad’s ferocious crackdown, which has provoked international condemnation but shows no signs of ending.

As with all the revolutions, the fall of the leaders will be seen as the easiest step in a long, rocky and wrenching struggle to build anew.

“The question of the successor government in Libya is going to prove far more difficult than ousting the old government,” said M. Cherif Bassiouni, an expert in international law who has led human rights commissions in Bahrain and Libya.

Nothing feels certain these days, not least in Egypt and Tunisia, and conversations about the uprisings often mention the French Revolution, which required long years to usher in a new order. No one talks in terms of months about these revolts, given the seismic forces at play, from the empowerment of Islamists to the economic trauma.

“We’re heading toward the unknown,” said Talal Atrissi, a political analyst in Lebanon. “The next era will witness battles and conflicts between actors inside countries bent on crushing each other and proving their existence on the political scene.”

“It will be full of challenges, large and severe,” he added.

As unpredictable as Libya’s revolution may prove, it still unleashed jubilation across the region. Yemen’s beleaguered government flooded the capital with troops over the weekend to stanch more demonstrations inspired by Colonel Qaddafi’s fall. On Al Jazeera, images of the Libyan leader were interspersed with lines from a song played during Egypt and Tunisia’s revolts: “I am the people, the people of honor and struggle,” sang Um Kalthoum, an Egyptian diva of another era. In Damascus, an activist saw the intertwined fates of Mr. Assad and Colonel Qaddafi, who in a defiant message broadcast Wednesday called the people who overthrew him rats and traitors.

“We don’t want a merciful end for Qaddafi and his sons,” said Aziz al-Arabi, a 30-year-old Syrian. “Please keep him alive. We’d love to see them humiliated.”

Across the region, young people who have driven the revolts have shared vocabulary as well as tactics. “Irhal,” or leave, has skipped from Egypt to Yemen and Bahrain, where in the streets of Sitra, strewn with rocks from nightly clashes with the police, protesters have made it plural — not only must the king go, but his family as well. Walls there read “silmiya,” or peaceful, recalling similar slogans in Syria. Residents there have imported the Egyptian term “baltagiya” to describe the state-sponsored thugs they face.

Iran’s revolution a generation ago was followed by a grinding war with Iraq, the birth of Hezbollah in Lebanon and the politicization of Shiite Muslims across the Persian Gulf. The Arab world is now embroiled in three revolutions (Tunisia, Egypt, Libya) and three full-fledged revolts (Syria, Yemen, Bahrain).

“Sometimes instability is a necessary evil, and you need it to have stability,” said Shadi Hamid, director of research at the Brookings Doha Center, a project of the Saban Center for Middle East Policy at the Brookings Institution and that is based in Qatar. “To dislodge a brutal dictator is going to require bloodshed.”

So far, Libya’s revolution seems the most uncertain. Even now, parallels are being drawn to the fall of Mr. Hussein, who cast a long shadow before he was captured over a country whose divisions deepened, then erupted into civil war. The remnants of his regime were long underestimated, by Americans and others, until they contributed to an insurgency that remains a searing lesson in imperial folly.

“Some compare post-Qaddafi Libya to post-Saddam Iraq,” wrote Bashir al-Bakr in the leftist Lebanese newspaper Al-Akhbar. “The Libyans, according to that view, will not be in charge of their own decisions. They will find themselves shackled by heavy commitments, and they will lack the ability to escape them at the present.”

For many in the region, foreign intervention has deprived Libya’s revolt of the luster enjoyed by Egypt and Tunisia, inspiring suspicions, as in Iraq, that the West simply covets its oil. As Sateh Noureddine, a columnist, put it in another Lebanese newspaper, Al-Safir, NATO’s support “will not be for free, and Libya will pay for it.”

In that, he captured the ambiguity over what represents opposition these days in the Arab world, old labels defying their old assumptions. Syrian rebels denounce Hezbollah, which prides itself on its resistance to Israel. Bahrain withdrew its ambassador from Damascus as it carried out a crackdown on its Shiite majority that smacks of apartheid. And Colonel Qaddafi, in his message, praised his loyalists as revolutionary youths.

“Forward, forward,” he cried, his trademark refrain for never-ending struggle.

Nada Bakri contributed reporting from Beirut, Lebanon.

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Was is Napoleon or some other French dude that said Africa began at the Pyrenees.
quote:
Libya, with Italy’s support, asks the EU to provide at least 5 billion dollars a year to stop illegal immigration, otherwise Europe could one day become part of Africa - it could become black, because millions want to come here,”

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Lioness

You might want to ponder this:

http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/libya-getting-it-right-revolutionary-pan-african-perspective.

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Lioness,

And this one too.


http://www.activistpost.com/2011/08/libya-tripoli-stands-in-defiance-of.html

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Lioness,

And this too. Just checking seriatim as I go along.

http://www.activistpost.com/2011/08/confirmed-libya-war-is-cia-op-30-years.html

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quote:
Originally posted by lamin:
Lioness,

And this one too.


http://www.activistpost.com/2011/08/libya-tripoli-stands-in-defiance-of.html

I get the impression that the Libyan rebels are supported by the majority of Libyan citizens. That doesn't mean I support either side. NATO chose to take the rebel's side for their own purposes.
The majority of Libyans are non-black Arabs and Gaddafi has been their leader since 1969. Gaddafi did not change that and he tried to take over Chad in the 80s and make it an Islamic republic to do his bidding.
The NATO support of the rebels may later turn into "blowback". It remains to be seen. What would have happened if they didn't intervene? Maybe a situation like Syria. Where is that headed? I don't know, the whole thing seems an unpredicatable gamble.

LIBYA: key members of the regime

http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=004357

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http://www.infowars.com/as-expected-widespread-racist-murders-in-libya-at-the-hands-of-rebel-forces-revealed/
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quote:
Originally posted by Confirming Truth:
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quote:
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Topic: Dumb African Union Refuses To Recognize Libyan Rebels
No problem, we know how to take care of that - when the black dog begins to bite the white hand that feeds it, starve him. That simple!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/26/african-union-libya-rebels-government_n_938011.html [/QB]

CT in light of the article you posted below:

"As Expected, widespread Racist Murders in Libya at the hands of Rebel forces revealed"

You may need to do another "I was wrong about.."
thread in order to keep it real

quote:
Originally posted by Confirming Truth:
http://www.infowars.com/as-expected-widespread-racist-murders-in-libya-at-the-hands-of-rebel-forces-revealed/


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Lioness,

Nor surprised at all that you have the "impression" that the rebels have much support in Libya. You always get your impressions wrong here on ES.

It's just that the when people are naive and intellectually incurious they are easily fooled by the white mainstream media of the West.

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quote:
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Lioness,

Nor surprised at all that you have the "impression" that the rebels have much support in Libya. You always get your impressions wrong here on ES.

It's just that the when people are naive and intellectually incurious they are easily fooled by the white mainstream media of the West.

The majority of Libyan citizens are non-black Arabs/Berbers
Are you telling me that they don't support and are not part of the rebels? You think the majority of the country is pro Gaddafi?
His own people turned against him like they did Mubarack.
This doesn't mean I like them, they are murdering black people and this still hasn't sunk into CT's brain despite the fact that even his boy Alex Jones had an article on his site saying this (which ironically CT posted !!!) -I guess he wants to be murdered himself

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