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45,000 years ago: The first modern “HUMAN” the Black Khoisan-like African “Grimaldi man” enters Europe from Africa (probably by way of Gibraltar).
By 36,000 B.C, he inhabits all of Europe: the lower jawbone of an African was discovered in Pestera cu Oase, the "cave with bones", located in the southwestern Carpathian Mountains of Romania.
By 34,000 the African is in Russia: The Kostenki - Borshevo sites Russia.
The African is also in Vladimir, 192 km from Moscow: The Sungir Site, Russia (26,000 B.C.)
By 21,000 B.C. the African is in Siberia Russia: The Site of Mal'ta (Siberia) Russia.
By 12,700 the African is in Britain.
The African had of course been in Germany for more than 40,000 years, but the oldest Black skeletons found so far, are only from 2,600 B.C.
Circa 1,200 B.C. The so-called Latin’s (Romans) and Hellenes (White Greeks). Attaching correct names to the first Whites in Europe is an impossibility, thus convention requires us to use the common usage terms. Note examples below:
The Romans: Wiki - Ancient Rome: According to the founding myth of Rome, the city was founded on April 21, 753 B.C, by twin brothers Romulus and Remus, who descended from the Trojan prince Aeneas and who were grandsons of the Latin King, Numitor of Alba Longa. (Trojans were Black people, so the founding of Rome was by Black people).
Wiki - In improper sense, the term "Italics" is sometimes used, especially in the non-specialized literature, to refer to all pre-Roman peoples of Italy, including therefore (definitely or supposedly) not Indo-European lineages as the Etruscans, Ligurians or Raetians. The ancient Greeks designated this kind of people, at least limitedly to the areas of Magna Graecia where they were in contact with them, with the term "Italiotes" also resumed later with a different meaning.
The White Greeks: Herodotus, Book 1 - CLIO [1.58] The Hellenic race has never, since its first origin, changed its speech. This at least seems evident to me. It was a branch of the Pelasgic (the original Black people of Greece), which separated from the main body, and at first was scanty in numbers and of little power; but it gradually spread and increased to a multitude of nations, chiefly by the voluntary entrance into its ranks of numerous tribes of barbarians (Whites). The Pelasgi, on the other hand, were, as I think, a barbarian race which never greatly multiplied.
ARRIVAL OF THE “SECOND” WAVE OF ALBINOS FROM CENTRAL ASIA.
The Germanics: Encyclopedia Britannica - The-migration-period: “Hunnish horsemen from the east pushed Germanic peoples into the Roman Empire in several waves. First, in 376, Visigoths were admitted by the emperor Valens as foederati (“allies”) to farm and defend the frontier.”
Note: Whites make every effort to confuse peoples and origins, so as to make it appear that there was an ancient White presence in Europe. The revisionist at Wiki, claim a Germanic presence in Scandinavia (the Maglemosian culture) circa 600 B.C.
Slav Origins:
Milograd culture hypothesis: The pre-Proto-Slavs (or Balto-Slavs) were the bearers of the Milograd culture (7th century BCE to 1st century CE) of northern Ukraine and southern Belarus.
Turk origins:
Turkic peoples are historically and linguistically connected with the T’u-chüeh, the name given by the Chinese to the nomadic people who in the 6th century A.D. founded an empire stretching from Mongolia and the northern frontier of China to the Black Sea. Their invasion let to the founding of the Turkish Ottoman Empire.
CURRENT EUROPEANS AND THEIR ORIGINS.
Germanic countries - Great Britain, Netherlands, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Belgium, France, Spain, portugal, Scandinavians (Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Norway, Iceland, Faroe Islanders, not Sami).
Turkic Countries - Turkey, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Northern Cyprus (Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus). Countries with large populations of ethnic Turks and Turkic culture: Egypt, Iran, Libya, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, United Arab Emirates, Yemen, Bahrain.
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^The nonsense of "No Blacks in Europe" or "Few Blacks in Europe" or "Blacks came as Slaves, Servants or directly FROM Africa" should now end.
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Mike111 quotes Cheddar Man, when they DNA traced those remains to a local white British man in the same area.
What's the oddest is that Mike111 quotes from Wikipedia, yet clearly only picks and chooses from there. If you go to the cheddar man page on wiki it shows the DNA tests which show who cheddar man was a direct match to. Concrete evidence, undisputable evidence. Mike doesn't quote it though because it wasn't a black guy, but instead a white British man which proves white Britons are indigenous here since just after the ice age.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^What an idiot! It's called admixture, cross-breeding, etc. Asshole!
Of course, every black males fantasy isn't it? Black men raping or marrying white woman. This theme appears as your answer to virtually every question of how these supposed ''black natives'' vanished.
In other threads you claimed whites are albinos and people who are physically attracted to them are mentally ill -
yet now you are claiming blacks in Britain engaged in mass miscegenation with the whites/albinos.
Take some medication.
It never happened, but its just what self-hating blacks dream of all day.
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cassiterides - you are so stupid that you can't even follow the threads.
This thread was started to counter the nonsense claim in the "Evidence for Black Genocide in Europe" thread, that Blacks disappeared from Europe because of admixture absorption.
I am glad that you agree that could not have happened.
As to your call for ancient White text naming Blacks in Europe. There is some, but do you think Black people are as silly as you? Whites make Black nations disappear, re-write history to claim Albinos are the beginning to end of mankind. Are we so silly then to expect this murdering, lying savage, to have left written evidence of his crimes?
You're stupid, we are not: that is why I deal almost exclusively with artifacts, and pictures of artifacts. A Black skeleton, or a Black statue tells me what I want to know.
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quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: What an utter fantasy thread.
Mike111 quotes Cheddar Man, when they DNA traced those remains to a local white British man in the same area.
What's the oddest is that Mike111 quotes from Wikipedia, yet clearly only picks and chooses from there. If you go to the cheddar man page on wiki it shows the DNA tests which show who cheddar man was a direct match to. Concrete evidence, undisputable evidence. Mike doesn't quote it though because it wasn't a black guy, but instead a white British man which proves white Britons are indigenous here since just after the ice age.
Interesting history,
Evidence for an apartheid-like social structure in early Anglo-Saxon England
Genetic Britain: How Roman, Viking and Anglo-Saxon Genes Make up the UK's DNA
These original Britons were subjugated by the Romans then displaced by an influx of Anglo Saxons from Germany and Holland in the sixth and seventh centuries AD. Later invasions by the Vikings and the Normans further altered the local population.
The Roman occupation of Britain had a profound impact on trade, culture and technology, but saw little in the way of actual immigration.
After the Roman withdrawal in around 400AD, Britain entered the Dark Ages – and found itself increasingly vulnerable to attack by outside forces.
Wave after wave of Europeans came to displace the native Britons. The three main tribes were the Angles from Angeln in northern Germany, the Saxons from Lower Saxony, and the Jutes from the Jutland Peninsular.
The study found remarkable genetic similarities between the two populations and concluded that a ‘mass migration event’ must have occurred in the Dark Ages. In other words, a flood of Anglo Saxons came to dominate the English gene pool, stopping short at the Welsh border
The Romans founded London, built roads, baths and aqueducts, overhauled trade and introduced coinage.
The Vikings brought with them words from Old Norse that remain in our language today – some of them tellingly aggressive (knife, ransack, die), some rather more elemental (husband, sky, bairn, get, call).
The Normans had arguably the greatest impact, establishing one of the oldest monarchical lines in the word, overhauling the political and legal systems, and fusing French and English words together, as well as kick-starting a thousand-year rivalry with the Old Enemy.
Mark G Thomas,1* Michael P.H Stumpf,2 and Heinrich Härke3
1Department of Biology, University College London, Wolfson House, 4 Stephenson Way
2Centre for Bioinformatics, Imperial College London, Wolfson Building,
3Department of Archaeology, School of Human and Environmental Sciences,
Fifteen generations marks the upper limit for the duration of an Anglo-Saxon/British apartheid-like social structure since, by assuming an intergenerational time of between 25 and 30 years, this is the approximate time span between the initial immigration in the middle of the fifth century and the laws of Alfred the Great (issued around AD 890), which do not contain any indications of legal status differences between Britons and Anglo-Saxons (Whitelock 1979).
Such a distinction is unlikely to have arisen in the seventh century, two centuries after the initial contact. It is much more likely to have originated in the immigration situation of the fifth and early sixth centuries. On the other hand, this ethnic distinction of two intermingling populations and its formalization in law cannot have survived for such a long period without some mechanism that perpetuated the distinction.
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: What an utter fantasy thread.
Mike111 quotes Cheddar Man, when they DNA traced those remains to a local white British man in the same area.
What's the oddest is that Mike111 quotes from Wikipedia, yet clearly only picks and chooses from there. If you go to the cheddar man page on wiki it shows the DNA tests which show who cheddar man was a direct match to. Concrete evidence, undisputable evidence. Mike doesn't quote it though because it wasn't a black guy, but instead a white British man which proves white Britons are indigenous here since just after the ice age.
A highly interesting story,
Slaves??? Brought as slaves????
Not everyone was free to come and go as he or she liked. Some people were slaves or 'thralls'. Slaves did the hardest, dirtiest jobs. People could be born slaves. The child of a slave mother and father was a slave too, but the child of a slave mother and a free father was free. Many slaves were people captured in a Viking raid. Viking traders sold slaves in markets, but slave-trading in England was stopped in 1102.
The Aristocracy - The Anglo-Saxon territory was divided into seven separate kingdoms commonly referred to as the heptarchy. Each kingdom was ruled by a king, the king's sons who were called aethlings and the ruling nobility known as the eoldermen. (Anglo-Saxon village) The basic unit of land was called the hide which was enough land to support one family and varied in size from 40 acres to 4 square miles. Approximately one hundred hides formed the unit known as the 'hundred', and each village or shire contained many hundreds. (another Anglo-Saxon village) For each hundred, one leader known as the 'hundred eolder' was responsible for administration, justice, and supplying military troops, as well as, leading its forces. The office was not hereditary, but by the tenth century the office was selected from among a few outstanding families.
The thane, similar to the knight, stood at the lowest echelon of the aristocracy. Good service by a thane resulted in gifts, the granting of lands, and elevation to eolderman. Members of the clergy held the title of thane as they were considered one of 'God's thanes', and bishops generally held the position of eolderman.
The Middle Class - The middle class was divided into three main classes of freemen, also known as ceorls: The geneatas, a peasant aristocracy who paid rent to their overlord, the kotsetlas, and the geburs, or lower middle class. All ceorls had the right and duty to serve in the fyrd, which was the Anglo-Saxon military. Ceorls won promotion through economic prosperity or military service. If a ceorl possessed five hides of land, he became entitled to the rights of a thane, but could not be elevated to the position of thane or eolderman.
The lower class - At the lowest end of the social strata was the slave or bondsmen, also known as the theow. Although they were slaves or bondsmen, they were entitled to certain provisions, such as grain. The slaves were allowed to own property and could earn money in their spare time which allowed them to buy their freedom. When times were difficult people sold themselves into slavery to ensure they were provisioned.
The early Anglo-Saxon society was organized around clans or tribes and was centered around a system of reciprocity called comitatus. The eoldorman expected martial service and loyalty from his thanes, and the thanes expected protection and rewards from the lord. By the middle of the ninth century the royal family of Wessex was universally recognized as the English royal family and held a hereditary right to rule. Succession to the throne was not guaranteed as the witan, or council of leaders, had the right to choose the best successor from the members of the royal house.
The military organization - As stated above, the military organization was called the fyrd, which consisted of highly trained thanes chosen from each hundred. Thanes became 'professional' warriors because their position within the society depended upon it. In peace time the thanes had to serve one month out of every three in rotation, so there was always a sizeable force on call. Loyalty to a lord was the greatest virtue for the thane, and if their lord or king died in battle, his men were expected to die avenging his death, as it was considered dishonorable to leave the battlefield on which the military leader had been slain. Those who did were executed by their lord's successor for their disloyalty. The Fyrd also served as a police force when not at war.
Religion and the role of the church - (St Alpheges church) (St. Wereburg) Besides the spiritual functions of the church, the Church also fulfilled the functions of a 'civil service', and for the nobility, an educational system. The Church and the government needed men who could read and write in English and Latin to write letters and keep accounts. (illuminated manuscripts) The words 'cleric' and 'clerk' have the same origin, and every nobleman would have at least one priest to act as a secretary.
Economy - The economy of the early middle ages was not cash based. (Anglo-Saxon clothing) Even though coins were minted, their use was not widespread, and most goods were bartered. (jewelry and pottery) Trade relied upon transport to be effective, and water was the preferred method of transport. For this reason, the most successful markets were near rivers.
Slavery was an important part of the Anglo-Saxon economy. Almost all the slaves traded in the early middle ages were captured in raids or warfare. It seems to have been the practice to kill the leaders of the losing army and enslave the local villagers. The English conquest of Cornwall led to the enslavement of many of the indigenous Celts. At the Westminster Council of 1102ce, slavery was abolished.
David Wyatt, Ph.D. (2003) in History, Cardiff University, is the Co-ordinating Lecturer in History at Cardiff University’s Centre for Lifelong Learning.
Slaves and Warriors in Medieval Britain and Ireland,800-1200
Modern sensibilities have clouded historical views of slavery, perhaps more so than any other medieval social institution. Anachronistic economic rationales and notions about the progression of European civilisation have immeasurably distorted our view of slavery in the medieval context. As a result historians have focussed their efforts upon explaining the disappearance of this medieval institution rather than seeking to understand it. This book highlights the extreme cultural/social significance of slavery for the societies of medieval Britain and Ireland c. 800-1200. Concentrating upon the lifestyle, attitudes and motivations of the slave-holders and slave-raiders, it explores the violent activities and behavioural codes of Britain and Ireland’s warrior-centred societies, illustrating the extreme significance of the institution of slavery for constructions of power, ethnic identity and gender.
The Vikings in Ireland
The Vikings first attacked Ireland in 795. They looted monasteries. They also took women and children as slaves. However the Vikings were not only raiders. They were also traders and craftsmen. In the 9th century they founded Ireland's first towns, Dublin, Wexford, Cork and Limerick. They also gave Ireland its name, a combination of the Gaelic word Eire and the Viking word land. In time the Vikings settled down. They intermarried with the Irish and accepted Christianity.
Around 940 the great High King Brian Boru was born. At that time the Danes had conquered much of the kingdom of Munster. Brian defeated them in several battles. In 968 he recaptured Cashel, the capital of Munster. After 976 Brian was king of Munster and in 1002 he became the High King of Ireland. However in 1014 Leinster, the people of Dublin and the Danes joined forces against him. Brian fought and defeated them at the battle of Clontarf on 23 April 1014, although he was killed himself. This victory ended the Viking threat to Ireland.
The Vikings in Iceland
The first people to settle in Iceland were probably Irish monks who came in the 8th century. However in the 9th century they were driven out by Vikings.
According to tradition the first Viking to discover Iceland was a man named Naddoddur who got lost while on his way to the Faeroes. Following him a Swede named Gardar Svavarsson circumnavigated Iceland about 860. However the first Viking attempt to settle was by a Norwegian named Floki Vilgeroason. He landed in the northwest but a severe winter killed his domestic animals and he sailed back to Norway. However he gave the land its name. He called it Iceland.
Then in the late 9th century many settlers came to Iceland from Norway and the Viking colonies in the British Isles. A Norwegian named Ingolfur Arnarson led them. He sailed with his family, slaves and animals.
When he sighted Iceland Ingolfur dedicated his wooden posts to his gods then threw them overboard. He vowed to settle at the place where the sea washed them up. He then explored Iceland. When the posts were found in the southwest Ingolfur and his household settled there. He called the place Reykjavik, meaning Smokey bay. Many other Vikings followed him to Iceland.
The land was free to whoever wanted it. A man could claim as much land as he could light fires around in one day while a woman could claim as much land as she could lead a heifer round in one day.
There were very good fishing grounds around Iceland and the land was well suited to sheep. Many Vikings brought flocks with them and soon sheep became a major Icelandic industry. The population of Iceland soared. By about 930 there were about 60,000 people living in Iceland.
The Peasant's Life.
Villages consisted of from 10-60 families living in rough huts on dirt floors, with no chimneys or windows. Often, one end of the hut was given over to storing livestock. Furnishings were sparse; three legged stools, a trestle table, beds on the floor softened with straw or leaves. The peasant diet was mainly porridge, cheese, black bread, and a few home-grown vegetables.
Peasants had a hard life, but they did not work on Sundays or on the frequent saints' days, and they could go to nearby fairs and markets. The lot of serfs was much harsher.
The Serf's Life.
Although not technically a slave, a serf was bound to a lord for life. He could own no property and needed the lord's permission to marry. Under no circumstance could a serf leave the land without the lord's permission unless he chose to run away. If he ran to a town and managed to stay there for a year and a day, he was a free man. However, the serf did have rights. He could not be displaced if the manor changed hands. He could not be required to fight, and he was entitled to the protection of the lord. [
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quote: Of course, every black males fantasy isn't it? Black men raping or marrying white woman.
aaaahhh as a matter of fact it's not...I've told you time and again....
quote: I know for a fact there are nuff Black Men who view yte women as the bottom of the barrel and wouldn't even use one for a d*ck warmer much less breed and/or marry one...and there are also no shortage of Black Men who will f*ck anyting with a hole, including a knothole ina tree or a yte gyal...so just because a Black Man f*cks or wants to f*ck a yte gyal, lol, she shouldn't necessary feel flattered about it...nuff women (yes of all ethnicities) confuse the fact that just because a man waa f*ck har, doesn't mean he actually wants har, lol...
Trust and KNOW that there are no shortage of Black Men who CANNOT bring a yte gyal home to their mothers/families...
I can assure you, unequivocably, as a Black Woman with nuff Black Men in my family, that is certainly NOT the fantasy of ALL Black Men....you rassclaat duncebat internet duppy you..
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You're stupid, we are not: that is why I deal almost exclusively with artifacts, and pictures of artifacts. A Black skeleton, or a Black statue tells me what I want to know. ======
How on earth is cheddar man black?
The skull is orthgnathic (no prognathism), thin typical Caucasoid nose etc.
So are you claiming the blacks in Britain were thin nosed and straight jawed?
Where are these thin nosed straight jawed negroids?
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quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: You're stupid, we are not: that is why I deal almost exclusively with artifacts, and pictures of artifacts. A Black skeleton, or a Black statue tells me what I want to know. ======
How on earth is cheddar man black?
The skull is orthgnathic (no prognathism), thin typical Caucasoid nose etc.
So are you claiming the blacks in Britain were thin nosed and straight jawed?
Where are these thin nosed straight jawed negroids?
The University's Director of Archaeological
"Museums, Lindsay Allason-Jones, who has organized an exhibition of the Museum's Romano-African artefacts to coincide with Black History Month, says:'From the evidence we have here, it is clear that colour was no bar to the status an individual could achieve in the Roman Empire..."
"The Museum of Antiquities is home to an internationally-renowned collection of artefacts, models and archives relating to Hadrian's Wall. Among the objects which point to the presence of Africans on the military frontier is a 2nd century AD blue glass mould-blown vessel in the form of an African man's head, which was found in South Shields,.."
"Yorkshireman found to share DNA with African tribes!"
Africans in Yorkshire?- the deepest-rooting clade of the Y phylogeny within an English genealogy
Turi E. King,1 Emma J. Parkin,1 Geoff Swinfield,2 Fulvio Cruciani,3 Rosaria Scozzari,3 Alexandra Rosa,4 Si-Keun Lim,5 Yali Xue,5 Chris Tyler-Smith,5 and Mark A. Jobling1
1 Department of Genetics, University of Leicester, UK 2 GSGS, 14 Beaconsfield Road, Mottingham, London, UK 3 Department of Genetics and Molecular Biology, Università degli Studi di Roma “La Sapienza”, Rome, Italy 4 Human Genetics Laboratory, University of Madeira, Funchal, Portugal 5 Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute, Hinxton, UK
"Professor Mark Jobling said: "We found John was in the A1 group of Y-chromosomes, which is very rare and highly west African-specific." "She added that Africans were first recorded in northern England 1,800 years ago, brought by the Romans to help defend Hadrian's Wall."
"The uncommon DNA, a chromosome called hgA1, had previously been detected only in a region of West Africa that includes Mali, Senegal, and Guinea-Bissau, the team says."
quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: TP you know he is gonna claim those are not "true Negroes" right??
Yes, predictable so.
In that case it would mean that most in Africa and outside actually aren't. Since most don't look like that man he posted.
I however for see many problems for these men I posted (dark skinned Caucasian men, ) when they try to penetrate and copulate with white women. There is when the problem will arise. For-cash-it-rides.
Not that I want that, by the way. It's mere the example.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: 45,000 years ago: The first modern “HUMAN” the Black Khoisan-like African “Grimaldi man” enters Europe from Africa (probably by way of Gibraltar).
^^^^^ so where do white Europeans come from?
If dark skinned Africans were in Europe 45,000 years ago after settling there they would have evolved white skin 6-12,000 years ago, let's give it ample time, let's say 20,000 years ago. 45,000 minus 20,000 = 25,000 years ago.
So at least 25,000 years ago all the dark skinned Africans had evolved into "white" people.
But wait a minute, what if you don't believe in evolution? Then where do wihite Europeans come from?
Well maybe they came from albinos.
As we know Africans produce the most albinos on the planet
So either evolution or albinism, in regard to white Europeans, it leads to the same result:
The original black Europeans would have been like this couple:
they had white babies
and these babies became the white people of Europe.
You want so called "white features" ? Got that:
^^^ so you have the original blacks of Europe looking like this guy, then popping out white babies.
And that doesn't have to take 20,000 years of evolution. Albanism takes just the next generation, 9 months later you have the albino kid.
So there you have it, these European blacks was popping out albinos and this is how the white people of Europe came about.
Or by evolution, don't make a difference, white Euros are former black Euros no matter how you slice it.
Then you got other whites coming in from central Asia much later. The albinism had already whitified the Europeans thousands of years before.
mystery of the black genocide solved, we were outbred out by our own albino babies
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Note again how the self-hating blacks in this thread have resorted to picture spams of Somalis and other eastern africans who are partial-caucasoid.
They are straighter nosed and straighter haired because of their Caucasoid genes.
Somalis cluster closer to EURASIANS than Sub-Saharan Africans.
Somali Woman (Caucasoid genes):
Negro Woman (No Caucasoid genes):
Blacks however hate the latter phenotype and are obsessed with Somali's who have straighter hair and thin noses because of their Caucasoid/Eurasian genes.
Basically all black males hate their own race. The only african woman they find attractive are the somalis with Caucasoid genes, not the true Congoid types with wooly hair and wide noses.
No one finds pure-blooded Negroid features attractive. This is why Negro females are obsessed with artifically straighening their hair.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: If dark skinned Africans were in Europe 45,000 years ago after settling there they would have evolved white skin 6-12,000 years ago, let's give it ample time, let's say 20,000 years ago. 45,000 minus 20,000 = 25,000 years ago.
White skin depigmnentated from Olive, not dark brown.
Scientists have tracked the depigmentation to the northern Black Sea region. The racial type that depigmentated was Eastern-Meditteranean.
Nordics = depigmentated meds.
This is the phenotype white skin mutated from:
They are Caucasoid. Not Black.
Compare to black woman:
Afrocentrics however since they are self-hating blacks lump the Mediterranean race as ''black''.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: 45,000 years ago: The first modern “HUMAN” the Black Khoisan-like African “Grimaldi man” enters Europe from Africa (probably by way of Gibraltar).
^^^^^ so where do white Europeans come from?
If dark skinned Africans were in Europe 45,000 years ago after settling there they would have evolved white skin 6-12,000 years ago, let's give it ample time, let's say 20,000 years ago. 45,000 minus 20,000 = 25,000 years ago.
So at least 25,000 years ago all the dark skinned Africans had evolved into "white" people.
But wait a minute, what if you don't believe in evolution? Then where do wihite Europeans come from?
Well maybe they came from albinos.
As we know Africans produce the most albinos on the planet
So either evolution or albinism, in regard to white Europeans, it leads to the same result:
The original black Europeans would have been like this couple:
they had white babies
and these babies became the white people of Europe.
You want so called "white features" ? Got that:
^^^ so you have the original blacks of Europe looking like this guy, then popping out white babies.
And that doesn't have to take 20,000 years of evolution. Albanism takes just the next generation, 9 months later you have the albino kid.
So there you have it, these European blacks was popping out albinos and this is how the white people of Europe came about.
Or by evolution, don't make a difference, white Euros are former black Euros no matter how you slice it.
Then you got other whites coming in from central Asia much later. The albinism had already whitified the Europeans thousands of years before.
mystery of the black genocide solved, we were outbred out by our own albino babies
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: If dark skinned Africans were in Europe 45,000 years ago after settling there they would have evolved white skin 6-12,000 years ago, let's give it ample time, let's say 20,000 years ago. 45,000 minus 20,000 = 25,000 years ago.
White skin depigmnentated from Olive, not dark brown.
Scientists have tracked the depigmentation to the northern Black Sea region. The racial type that depigmentated was Eastern-Meditteranean.
Nordics = depigmentated meds.
This is the phenotype white skin mutated from:
They are Caucasoid. Not Black.
Compare to black woman:
Afrocentrics however since they are self-hating blacks lump the Mediterranean race as ''black''.
"A potential issue that could in theory influence our findings is that the exact population contributing to African ancestry in West Eurasians is unknown. To gain insight into the African source populations, we carried out PCA analyses, which suggested that the African ancestry in West Eurasians is at least as closely related to East Africans (e.g. Hapmap3 Luhya (LWK)) as to West Africans (e.g. Nigerian Yoruba (YRI)) (the same analyses show that there is no evidence of relatedness to Chadic populations like Bulala) (Text S5 and Figure S12).
We also used the 4 Population Test to assess whether the tree ((LWK, YRI),(West Eurasian, CEU)) is consistent with the data, and found no evidence for a violation, which is consistent with a mixture of either West African or East African ancestors or both contributing to the African ancestry in West Eurasians (Table S14; Figure S13). Historically, a mixture of West and East African ancestry is plausible, since African gene flow into West Eurasia is documented from both West Africa during Roman times [34] and from East Africa during migrations from Egypt [7]. It is important to point out, however, that the difficulty of pinpointing the exact African source population is not expected to bias our inferences about the total proportion and date of mixture. The f4 Ancestry Estimation method is unbiased even when we use a poor surrogates for the true ancestral African population (as long as the phylogeny is correct), as we confirmed by repeating analyses replacing YRI with LWK, and obtaining similar results (Table S15).Our ROLLOFF admixture date estimates are also similar whether we use LWK or YRI to represent ancestral African population (Table S15), as predicted by the theory. --Moorjani et al.
"Clade E lineages were more frequent in the Greeks (21%) as compared to Pakistan (4%). The majority of haplogroup E chromosomes belonged to clade E3b and all Greek and Pakistani samples were resolved into the branches E3b1 (M78) and E3b3 (M123). Among the three Pakistani populations claiming Greek descent, this clade was observed only in the Pathans. The Pathan samples belonged to clade E3b1 that constituted 17% of the Greek samples.--Sadaf Firasat et al.
And multiple streams of migrations of Hg E-78* have moved into the Arabian Peninsula and South West Asia. Get a grip will ya'.
This is how the Afroasiatic phylum spread into the Arabian Peninsula.lol
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The Northeast Africa-based E1b1b1a subclade is defined by SNP M78. Somalia, Sudan and Egypt are among the present day countries with very high frequencies (60-90%) of the E1b1b1a M78 subclade. The STR data also support its origin in this area with a TMRCA estimated at 14-23 kya. The frequency of this subclade drops dramatically in Sub-Saharan Africa.
E1b1b1a1b. V32
The E1b1b1a1b (V32) subclade is a descendant of E1b1b1a1 (V12). E1b1b1a1b/V32 is highest in Somalia (47-75%), Sudan (52%) and Ethiopia (40%). All these chromosomes detected to date fall into the East African M78 g microsatellite cluster, which is associated with Cushitic (Afro-Asiatic) language groups in Somalia, Ethiopia and Kenya. There is some notion that the Great Rift Valley acted as a barrier to isolate language and genetic groups in this region. This subclade is abundant in Somalia, although the STR diversity is rather low. This data would suggest that the E1b1b1a1b/V32 Somali population was shaped by a founder effect, somewhat recently. The E1b1b1a1b/V32 was not found in Turkish population with M78 g microsatellite cluster, indicating that there is not a perfect correspondence between the M78 g microsatellite cluster and the E1b1b1a1b/V32 subclade. The g cluster is characterized by a short and unique DYS19 allele (11 repeats), a situation in which it acts almost as a unique event polymorphism like a SNP. The estimates for the TMRCA of this subclade are approximately 4-8kya.
E1b1b1e. V6
This somewhat rare haplogroup, E1b1b1e (V6), has only been observed in East Africa with the most appreciable levels seen in Ethiopia (4-17%). Kenya and Somalia also harbor a moderate frequency (5%) of this subclade.
Keep dreaming!!!
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: Note again how the self-hating blacks in this thread have resorted to picture spams of Somalis and other eastern africans who are partial-caucasoid.
They are straighter nosed and straighter haired because of their Caucasoid genes.
Somalis cluster closer to EURASIANS than Sub-Saharan Africans.
Somali Woman (Caucasoid genes):
Negro Woman (No Caucasoid genes):
Blacks however hate the latter phenotype and are obsessed with Somali's who have straighter hair and thin noses because of their Caucasoid/Eurasian genes.
Basically all black males hate their own race. The only african woman they find attractive are the somalis with Caucasoid genes, not the true Congoid types with wooly hair and wide noses.
No one finds pure-blooded Negroid features attractive. This is why Negro females are obsessed with artifically straighening their hair.
Some of what I showed was not the East, let alone Somali. Most Somali are genetically overwhelming African.
Last but not least, the features are indigenous to East Africa-Northeast Africa. It spread from there to populate the world. Haven't you noticed yet?
But it's obvious you're obsessed with "Congolian Bakongo" features. Wanna' talk about it?
quote:Originally posted by .Charlie Bass.: Une critique des méthodes utilisées pour reconstituer les races et les populations de la vallée du Nil (en anglais) Bulletins et Mémoires de la Société d'anthropologie de Paris, Année 1981, Volume 8, Numéro 3 p. 357 - 365
Two contrasting methodologies have been used to reconstruct the racial history of the Nile Valley or to assess the biological affinities of populations in that area. One of these, the classic typological approach, can be called deductive in nature. It assumes that races exist and that their characteristics are known. The other, including various biométrie approaches and that of Numerical Taxonomy, can be characterized as inductive. It assumes that the biological affinity of populations must be established by careful comparison of characteristics. Using specific cases of the application of the two different methodologies, it is demonstrated that the inductive approach is far more productive, as well as being consistent with the modern theory of population biology. On the other hand, the deductive approach is not at all productive, leading to profound inconsistencies in understanding by simply outmoded, stereotypical assumptions.
Nuff said!
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Also, you are so dumb to show Whoopy Goldberg with her dreadlocks and at the same time you will claim Black Women aren't comfortabel with natural hair.
We already have shown West Africans with straight hair and narrow facial features.
You can't bear the facts and you just hate it.
I'll purpose him to your daughter, sister... you want mind do ya'?
Beautiful nightmare.
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You are very selective on what you present as evidence! I've seen all of the Grimaldi skulls and most of them are orthognathous and narrow nosed! Pestera cu Oase (the First European) is described as having a narrow nose (is obviously orthognathous too) in the literature (in PNAS, Rougier et al.) that actually described the remains. Also, you conveniently leave out the fact the two Grimaldi's above, have narrow prominent noses! Reconstructions of ancient remains have varying degrees of inaccuracy, relying on that is a mistake (i.e. King Tut)! Caucasian people were already evolved by 50,000 BC (Y-Haplogroup F).
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rainingburntice - is it too much to ask that you provide some material evidence - like I did?
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Mike, this book says that in the 18th century there were 20.000 Black slaves in London. The first time I saw a number. But what happened to them? I really suppose they were absorbed into the white majority, because science told people that Blacks are ugly apes, and nobody wanted to be considered an ape. I find conformation of these ideas in literary works by people who lived during this transition: Jane Austen en Brontë.
1. Imperialism at home: race and Victorian women's fiction / Meyer, Susan
The problem with your argument begins with definition and numbers. The Grimaldi Men is considered Black because he conforms to certain recently defined specifications of the measurements of a Black skull. But remember, the Caucasian Race was named after a skull, from an area where we know there were Colchins, as well as whites. Colchins are supposed to have been Egyptians. Not all Africans conform to the Classical African type, yet by identity they are Africans. So I suppose some Black Europeans also may have derived their fair colouring from fair Africans, or they did not have classical African looks, yet were still members of the Blue blood nation.
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Permalink Reply by Egmond Codfried 1 second ago Delete THESE ARE MOSTLY IMAGES, MOORS SYMBOLISING BLUE BLOOD, AND NOT PORTRAITS
We need to push the envelope and dare to ask new questions. In fact history needs to be rewritten by Black scientist, because the idea of Black kings who ruled white Europeans is not so disgusting to them, then this is to whites. But we are mistaken to see these Moors, Classical Africans, as something other then symboles of Blue Blood, the highest nobility in Europe used images and words with Moor to signify their high birth and Black superiority over white serfs, who they also kept for shoe leather. All this can be verified in google: there was a trade in human skin far into the 19th century, and this explains the hatred of whites against Blacks. Most images in this thread are images, not portraits. One portrait shows Maurice of Saxony and he was a real person. I have introduced this image on the Internet, so I know what its about.
Egmond Codfried
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^Unfortunately black scholarship regarding European history is still in its infancy. Thus researchers often don't know what they are looking at - it happens to me too.
These images have NOTHING to do with Moors or Templars.
The single and double Black Eagle are symbols of the Holy Roman Empire.
"rainingburntice - is it too much to ask that you provide some material evidence - like I did?"
Well, for your two favorite Grimaldi's you can use your picture at the top of the page. For Pestera cu Oase I have already put PNAS, Rougier et al. As for the other Grimaldi's you can use the same source where you picked the two of your favorites from.
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^You seem to have no understandable point. Why not take the time to assemble your thoughts, add the supporting material, and then post?
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Which part don't you understand? Seems plain enough. Do you not consider PNAS a reliable source? Do you not consider your own picture at the top of the page as evidence? I think you do understand my point, you just wish not to! As for the other crania found approximate to the two Grimaldi's, I'm talking about:
Barma Grande 3, 4, and 5 Grotte des Infants 4 and 6
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Let's put it this way, making it a simpler and clearer way to establish some facts here.
All EEMH (Early European Modern Humans) are shown to have tropical body plans.
Being that its been shown that some EEMH had thinner nose indices and tropical body plans, while just arriving to Europe at this time 30kya-40kya...
This then throws all sorts of wrenches in the argument of this feature you tout as "Caucasoid" somehow being uniquely European or adapted to a cold climate, otherwise Northeast Asians would be thin nosed as well huh?
The tropical body plan of EEMH informs/ed the anthropologist/s that these early humans were not that long out of Africa when they reached Europe.
Hence why the OOA scenario of A.M.H. has been proven as a fact along with the genetic evidence.
Create a thread arguing against my point, Mike111 doesn't represent this site. How bout it?
P.s. I've read somewhere you said "Caucasoids" existed some 40kya, let's talk about this.
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quote:Originally posted by AGÜEYBANÁ(Mind718): rainingburtice,
Let's put it this way, making it a simpler and clearer way to establish some facts here.
All EEMH (Early European Modern Humans) are shown to have tropical body plans.
Being that its been shown that some EEMH had thinner nose indices and tropical body plans, while just arriving to Europe at this time 30kya-40kya...
This then throws all sorts of wrenches in the argument of this feature you tout as "Caucasoid" somehow being uniquely European or adapted to a cold climate, otherwise Northeast Asians would be thin nosed as well huh?
Northeast Asia and Northeastern Asia refers to the northeastern subregion of Asia. Though the precise definition of Northeast Asia changes according to context, it always includes Japan and the Korean Peninsula, and is sometimes used to refer to these two regions exclusively.
North Koreans:
The adaptation, with exceptions, generally is that the nose is not necessarily narrower but has smaller sized nostrils. In addition, skin depigmentation and straight hair.
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"All EEMH (Early European Modern Humans) are shown to have tropical body plans."
What specifically are you implying when refering to tropical body plans? I have read that Cro-Magnon limb ratios were between Neanderthal and sub-Saharan Africans. Also, weren't the Grimaldi's of rather low height?
"Create a thread arguing against my point, Mike111 doesn't represent this site. How bout it?"
Alright.
"P.s. I've read somewhere you said "Caucasoids" existed some 40kya, let's talk about this."
By c. 50,000 years ago.
"Hence why the OOA scenario of A.M.H. has been proven as a fact along with the genetic evidence."
I also agree with the OOA.
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quote:Originally posted by rainingburntice: To Agueybana:
"All EEMH (Early European Modern Humans) are shown to have tropical body plans."
What specifically are you implying when refering to tropical body plans? I have read that Cro-Magnon limb ratios were between Neanderthal and sub-Saharan Africans. Also, weren't the Grimaldi's of rather low height?
"Create a thread arguing against my point, Mike111 doesn't represent this site. How bout it?"
limb proportion is separate from stature (height). Somebody can be short but have limbs that are long proportionally to their trunk.
Only two skeletons called "Grimaldi" ahve been found. The complection and hair type are unknown. Sir Arthur Keith describes Grimaldi man here:
"limb proportion is separate from stature (height). Somebody can be short but have limbs that are long proportionally to their trunk."
I wasn't implying that they aren't separate. East Africans are the tallest people in the world so some would consider this a tropical adaption as well, but I don't.
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What specifically are you implying when refering to tropical body plans? I have read that Cro-Magnon limb ratios were between Neanderthal and sub-Saharan Africans. Also, weren't the Grimaldi's of rather low height?
quote:Originally posted by rainingburntice: To The Lioness:
"limb proportion is separate from stature (height). Somebody can be short but have limbs that are long proportionally to their trunk."
I wasn't implying that they aren't separate. East Africans are the tallest people in the world so some would consider this a tropical adaption as well, but I don't.
If you don't consider height to be a tropical adapation then why did you point out the Grimaldi's low height? Obviously people like the pygmies are tropical and short nobody said otherwise
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"If you don't consider height to be a tropical adapation then why did you point out the Grimaldi's low height? Obviously people like the pygmies are tropical and short nobody said otherwise."
Like I said before, "East Africans are the tallest people in the world so some would consider this a tropical adaption as well, but I don't."
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quote:Originally posted by rainingburntice: To The Lioness:
"If you don't consider height to be a tropical adapation then why did you point out the Grimaldi's low height? Obviously people like the pygmies are tropical and short nobody said otherwise."
Like I said before, "East Africans are the tallest people in the world so some would consider this a tropical adaption as well, but I don't."
I revise what I said about the Pygmies. Read the lengthy article:
Climatic Adaptation and Hominid Evolution: the thermoregulatory imperative published in Evolutionary Anthropology:
I posted this in the thread called:
questions for Agueybana on Adaptation, Hot, Cold, Humid, Arid
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