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I know how whites on stormfront and numerous other white nationalist websites like to claim a lot of pride in some of the symbols like the swastika and even the so called Celtic cross and many others. None of those symbols actually belong to them. Even the fleur de lis and the iron cross originate in Mesopotamia. There are numerous pictures I'll post later.
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I don't advocate doing this but if you steal five dollars from somebody and they don't have the ability to get it back then the five dollars becomes yours.
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Are you trying to say that because they adopted these symbols the people who initially used them have no right to use them anymore?
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quote:Originally posted by Ebony Allen: I know how whites on stormfront and numerous other white nationalist websites like to claim a lot of pride in some of the symbols like the swastika and even the so called Celtic cross and many others. None of those symbols actually belong to them. Even the fleur de lis and the iron cross originate in Mesopotamia. There are numerous pictures I'll post later.
The Swastika is an Indo-European (Aryan) symbol. It was created by whites.
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quote:Originally posted by Ebony Allen: I know how whites on stormfront and numerous other white nationalist websites like to claim a lot of pride in some of the symbols like the swastika and even the so called Celtic cross and many others. None of those symbols actually belong to them. Even the fleur de lis and the iron cross originate in Mesopotamia. There are numerous pictures I'll post later.
The Mesopotamian's were Caucasoid. Look at their busts, blue eyed with clear Caucasoid facial features -
Don't follow afrocentric crackpottery which claims the Sumerians etc were black. Their claims hold no truth. Look at the above busts, they aren't of black people, they are white people and everyone knows this.
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quote:Originally posted by Ebony Allen: I know how whites on stormfront and numerous other white nationalist websites like to claim a lot of pride in some of the symbols like the swastika and even the so called Celtic cross and many others. None of those symbols actually belong to them. Even the fleur de lis and the iron cross originate in Mesopotamia. There are numerous pictures I'll post later.
The Mesopotamian's were Caucasoid. Look at their busts, blue eyed with clear Caucasoid facial features -
Don't follow afrocentric crackpottery which claims the Sumerians etc were black. Their claims hold no truth. Look at the above busts, they aren't of black people, they are white people and everyone knows this.
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: These people are Gutians--not Sumerians.
Incorrect.
The first is a statue of the Sumerian 'Inspector-General' Ebih-il, found in the temple of Ishtar at Mari (ca. 2500 BC), Louvre Museum.
Ebih-il was not a Gutian.
The Gutians overran Sumer and Akkad when the Akkadian empire collapsed. This was after c. 2500 BC. Ebig-il was a high ranking Sumerian.
Btw, the following busts show blue eyed Sumerians with clear Caucasoid features long before the Gutians arrived:
Worshipers and Deities, from the Temple of Abu in Tell Asmar, 2900-2600 BCE - 2.JPG (24.5 KB, 68 views) Sumerian sculptures of a man and woman praying, circa 2750-2650BC..jpg (91.4 KB, 49 views) MALE STATUE, Gypsum Early Dynastic period (ca. 2750-2500 B.C.) Iraq, Diyala Region.jpg (77.6 KB, 29 views) Standing figure of a female orant, Nippur Nuffar, Early Dynastic II-III, 2550 BC.jpg (25.6 KB, 34 views) Figurine Iraq 3rd Millenium BC.jpg (122.1 KB, 45 views) Face (head) of a woman, Early dynastic period II Ur I (2645-2460 BCE).jpg (57.8 KB, 50 views) Worshipper statuette of the singer Ur-Nanshe.jpg (197.1 KB, 43 views) 2ND-1ST MILL.BCE, The singer Ur-Nina, Stone statue from the Royal Palace of Mari.jpg (62.9 KB, 30 views) Official Ebih-Il, from the Temple of Ishtar at Mari - 2.jpg (26.6 KB, 56 views) Worshipper statuette of Ebih-Il, dedicated to Ishtar.JPG (57.0 KB, 32 views) Ebih-il, Inspector-General of Mari, from the temple of the Virile Ishtar, 2900-2750 BCE.jpg (61.6 KB, 28 views) Head of a Male Worshiper, Sumerian, Early Dynastic II Period .jpg (68.3 KB, 30 views) Sumerian figure head, 2900-2600 BCE.JPG (18.5 KB, 107 views) Standing female figure with clasped hands, Early Dynastic IIIA, ca 2600–2500 BC.jpg (97.0 KB, 41 views) Standing female figure with clasped hands, Early Dynastic IIIA, ca 2600–2500 BC - 2.jpg (103.3 KB, 33 views) Female Head, 2700 BC - 2600 BC, Khafajah.JPG (8.5 KB, 42 views) Votive Figurine Khafaje Iraq Early Dynastic II 3rd Millenium.jpg (127.1 KB, 44 views) HEAD OF A RULER, Third Dynasty of Ur, ca. 2000-2050 B.C. Iraq, Bismaya Temple.JPG (56.4 KB, 62 views)
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Just google image them for photos.
Most predate the Gutian arrival by over 600 years. They are Sumerians.
- A nightmare for afrocentrics i know, since these earliest Sumerian busts are of white people but the afrocentrics really should embrace some reality.
Ur-Nina (or Ur-Nanshe), 'The Great Singer.' (2600 - 2350 BC):
Blue eyes, straight brown hair, hook nose - clearly not negroid.
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There is controversy surrounding the African origin of the Sumerians. Every since Oppert, people have tried to deny the African origin of the Sumerians.
The reason they made this lie was because Rawlinson said that the Sumerians came from Africa. This offended many scholars during the time because they had perpetuated the idea that Blacks had no history. Rawlinson also implied that the Semitic speaking people were originally also Blacks.
Hincks an English scholar and Oppert, a French Jewish scholars began the myth that Sumerian was not related to any other known language because it was demonstrated that Sumerian was not related to the Scythian language. These authors knew that when Rawlinson talked about Scythians he was talking about Blacks in Africa, and not Turks and etc. Form this day until today they continue to maintain this line.
The controversy surrounding the Kushite/African/Black origins of the Elamites, Sumerians, Akkadians and “Assyrians” is simple and yet complicated. It involves both the racism exhibited toward the African slaves in the Western Hemisphere and Africans generally which led to the idea that Africans had no history ; and the need of Julius Oppert to make Semites white, to accommodate the “white” ancestry of European Jews.
To understand this dichotomy we have to look at the history of scholarship surrounding the rise of Sumero-Akkadian studies. The study of the Sumerians, Akkadians. Assyrians and Elamites began with the decipherment of the cuneiform script by Henry Rawlinson. Henry Rawlinson had spent most of his career in the Orient. This appears to have gave him an open mind in regards to history. He recognized the Ancient Model of History, the idea that civilization was founded by the Kushite or Hamitic people of the Bible.
As result, Rawlinson was surprised during his research to discover that the founders of the Mesopotamian civilization were of Kushite origin. He made it clear that the Semitic speakers of Akkad and the non-Semitic speakers of Sumer were both Black or Negro people who called themselves sag-gig-ga “Black Heads”. In Rawlinson’s day the Sumerian people were recognized as Akkadian or Chaldean, while the Semitic speaking blacks were called Assyrians.
Rawlinson identified these Akkadians as Turanian or Scythic people. But he made it clear that these ancient Scythic or Turanian speaking people were Kushites or Blacks.
A major supporter of Rawlinson was Edward Hincks. Hincks continued Rawlinson’s work and identified the ancient group as Chaldeans, and also called them Turanian speakers. Hincks, though, never dicussed their ethnic origin.
A late comer to the study of the Sumerians and the Akkadians was Julius Oppert. Oppert was a German born of Jewish parents. He made it clear that the Chaldean and Akkadian people spoke different languages. He noted that the original founders of Mesopotamia civilization called themselves Ki-en-gi “land of the true lords”. It was the Semitic speakers who called themselves Akkadians. Assyrians called the Ki-en-gi people Sumiritu “the sacred language”. Oppert popularized the Assyrian name Sumer, for the original founders of the civilization. Thus we have today the Akkadians and Sumerians of ancient Mesopotamia.
Oppert began to popularize the idea that the Sumerians were related to the contemporary Altaic and Turanian speaking people, e.g., Turks and Magyar(Hungarian) speaking people. He made it clear that the Akkadians were Semites like himself . To support this idea Oppert pointed out that typological features between Sumerian and Altaic languages existed. This feature was agglutination.
The problem with identifying the Sumerians as descendants from contemporary Turanian speakers resulted from the fact that Sumerian and the Turkish languages are not genetically related. As a result Oppert began to criticize the work of Hincks (who was dead at the time) in relation to the identification of the Sumerian people as Turanian following the research of Rawlinson.
It is strange to some observers that Oppert,never criticized Rawlinson who had proposed the Turanian origin of the Ki-en-gi (Sumerians). But this was not strange at all. Oppert did not attack Rawlinson who was still alive at the time because he knew that Rawlinson said the Sumerians were the original Scythic and Turanian people he called Kushites. Moreover, Rawlinson made it clear that both the Akkadians and Sumerians were Blacks. For Oppert to have debated this issue with Rawlinson, who deciphered the cuneiform script, would have meant that he would have had to accept the fact that Semites were Black. There was no way Oppert would have wanted to acknowledge his African heritage, given the Anti-Semitism experienced by Jews living in Europe.
Although Oppert successfully hid the recognition that the Akkadians and the Sumerians both refered to themselves as sag-gig-ga “black heads”, some researchers were unable to follow the status quo and ignore this reality. For example, Francois Lenormant, made it clear, following the research of Rawlinson, that the Elamite and Sumerians spoke genetically related languages. This idea was hard to reconcile with the depiction of people on the monuments of Iran, especially the Behistun monument, which depicted Negroes (with curly hair and beards) representing the Assyrians, Jews and Elamites who ruled the area. As a result, Oppert began the myth that the Sumerian languages was isolated from other languages spoken in the world evethough it shared typological features with the Altaic languages. Oppert taught Akkadian-Sumerian in many of the leading Universities in France and Germany. Many of his students soon began to dominate the Academe, or held chairs in Sumerian and Akkadian studies these researchers continued to perpetuate the myth that the Elamite and Sumerian languages were not related.
There was no way to keep from researchers who read the original Sumerian, Akkadian and Assyriantext that these people recognized that they were ethnically Blacks. This fact was made clear by Albert Terrien de LaCouperie. Born in France, de LaCouperie was a well known linguist and China expert. Although native of France most of his writings are in English. In the journal he published called the Babylonian and Oriental Record, he outlined many aspects of ancient history. In these pages he made it clear that the Sumerians, Akkadians and even the Assyrians who called themselves Salmat kakkadi ‘black headed people”, were all Blacks of Kushite origin.
Eventhough de La Couperie taught at the University of London, the prestige of Oppert, and the fact that the main centers for Sumero-Akkadian studies in France and Germany were founded by Oppert and or his students led to researchers ignoring the evidence that the Sumerians , Akkadians and Assyrians were Black.
In summary, the cuneiform evidence makes it clear that the Sumerians, Akkadians and Assyrians recognized themselves as Negroes: “black heads”. This fact was supported by the statues of Gudea, the Akkadians and Assyrians. Plus the Behistun monument made it clear that the Elamites were also Blacks.
The textual evidence also makes it clear that Oppert began the discussion of a typological relationship between Sumerian and Turkic languages. He also manufactured the idea that the Semites of Mesopotamia and Iran, the Assyrians and Akkadians were “whites”, like himself. Due to this brain washing, and whitening out of Blacks in history, many people today can look at depictions of Assyrians, Achamenians, and Akkadians and fail to see the Negro origin of these people.
To make the Sumerians “white” textbooks print pictures of artifacts dating to the Gutian rule of Lagash, to pass them off as the true originators of Sumerian civilization. No Gutian rulers of Lagash are recognized in the Sumerian King List.
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There are a number of articles which discuss the Sumerian relationship with African and Dravidian languages including the following:
David, H S , "Some contacts and affinities between the Egypto- Minoan and the Indo(-Dravido) Sumerian Culture",Tamil Culture 4, no2 (1955), pages 169-175.
Winters,Clyde Ahmad,"Tamil,Sumerian and Manding and the Genetic Model",International Journal of Dravidian Linguistics 18,(1989) nol.
Winters, Clyde Ahmad. (1991). The Proto-Sahara. The Dravidian Encyclopaedia. (Trivandrum: International School of Dravidian Linguistics) pp.553-556. Volume 1.
The Sumerian, Dravidian and African speakers originated in the Fertiel African Crescent, which was the Highland regions of Middle Africa. These people belonged to the Maa Clan.The Maa Confederation was the name of the major Paleo-African clan during the last great wet period in Saharan history 5000-3000 B.C. The Maa confederation includes the Egyptians, Elamites, Dravidians, Manding and Sumerians. In this paper we call members of this civilization: Proto-Saharans. To denote their ethnic origin they added the term Ma, to their ethnonyms, e.g., the Manding called themselves Ma-nde (the children of Ma); and the Sumerians called themselves Mah-Gar-ri (exalted God's children).For more information about the Proto-Saharans and the Maa civilization see Clyde A. Winters, The Proto-Culture of the Dravidians, Manding and Sumerians, Tamil Civilization,3(1), 1-9. The Sumerian language shares many features with African and Dravidian languages. PRONOUNS There is a similarity in pronouns:
Language Singular Plural 1st.Per.2nd Per. 3rd Per. 1st Per. 2nd Per. 3rd Per. Dravidian an,naa l a an an,ani aru Manding na, n' i a, e alu Elamite u nu ri un nun r: ir Sumerian ga, gal za, au ene men zu,ne ene -ne
DEMONSTRATIVE
Language Proximate Distant Finite Dravidian i a u Manding i a u
Sumerian bi a
The Proto-Saharan languages share locative constructions. These directional elements can be simple or compound. Common suffixial directional elements include:
Elamite Sumerian English Manding -ak and ka kuttu so,also,as ka -hi this ni ukku ku on ku, kuna -ma -na in,at na itaka da with la, ti -na of -no -lina -ta for -ti
Common directional elements include:
ma -a in na imma, ni out,of ma, no ikku (ikki) -ra to koro lina ta for ti mar from a place ma 'area,land' itaka da with la, ti
All the Proto-Saharan languages share certain grammatical features. Those grammatical elements shared by Dravidian, Elamite, Sumerian and Black African languages include 1) vowel harmony, 2) absence of initial clusters of consonants, 3) abundance of geminated consonants,4) distinction of inclusive and exclusive pronouns in first person plural, 5) absence of degrees of comparison for adjectives and adverbs as distinct morphological categories, 6) consonant alteration on nominal increments noticed by different classes,7) distinction of completed action among verbal paradigms as against specific tense distinction and 9) use of reduplication for emphasis (and plural).
AFFIXES
In the Dravidian, Egyptian, Elamite, Manding and Dravidian languages words are formed by adding an affix to a radical. In this section we will discuss certain aspects of shared Proto-Saharan morphology. In these languages suffixes are usually used to create words. These suffixes can be a single consonant (C) or vowel (V), or a monosyllabic form (CV). The most common suffix in Dravidian, Egyptian, Elamite, Manding and Sumerian are the postfixes -ki, -ka and -ta , which are used to denote clans, nationality, lands and countries .
PLURAL
In the Proto-Saharan languages the plural is formed by adding -u,-w,-ba, -pa and -lu.In Egyptian, the -w suffix is used to form the plural. In the Dravidian (Dr.) . languages the plural if formed by -lu, especially in Telugu. In the Manding (M) group, and other African languages we find -lu or -u (-w), e.g., M. mogo 'husband,(pl.) mogo-lu 'husbands'; Telugu magaadu 'husband , man', (pl.) magaalu 'husbands'.
In many Black African languages ba means 'abundance, many'. In Elamite pa or fa is used to make plural numbers, e.g., ko-fa inna 'of the Kings', Bapitu fa-pa "to the Babylonians". The use of -pa, by the Elamites corresponds to the Manding use of the -ba suffix , which is joined to nouns to denote the idea of greatness, physical or moral e.g., -folo 'good,rich' , no-folo-ba 'great fortune'; and so-kalo 'piece', so-kala-ba 'considerble quarter of a village'.
NEGATIVE
In Black African languages including Egyptian the -n, is used to show negation. In Egyptian we often find -nn, e.g., nn wn 'there is nothing'. In Elamite the negative is formed by an uninflected nominal derivative in -n (active participle), e.g., ink 'I not", inr 'he not' and ani 'not'. This suffix is analogous to the M. negative suffix -na, employed as a suffix to -ka, e.g., ka na ku na tara so "I did not say I was going to the house" .
In Tamil the negative verbal participle is formed by suffixing a-mal or -mei, e.g., sey (y)-a-mal 'without stopping'. The Tamil suffix -mei is also used as a termination for abstract nouns.
The negative suffix in Manding is -na, which is proceeded by ka and nt'i, e.g., kalu mba-nt'i. In Sumerian the negation of the verb is expressed by the prefixes nu- or la-, e.g., nu-zu "not to know", la-gin "not to fix" and nu-dug "not good. The optative mood are negatived by the element na,na-ma-pad "she may not".
PARTICLES In Elamite personal nouns are formed by adding -ra, e.g., Kellira 'commander', kutira 'bearer'. This relates to the Manding suffix of the past and present participle -ra, this particle is used to make verbs passive or active, e.g., kyi 'send', kyi-ra 'messenger', gyi (ji) 'dry up', gyi-ra 'arid'.
In Sumerian the dative is expressed by the suffix -ra, which may appear in the form of -ar, -ir , and -ur, e.g., ma-ra 'to me', lugal-e-a-ra ' to the owner of the house'. This parallels the Manding locative suffix -ra, and -la , which can represent 'to,or, for, in ', e.g., tu-ra 'in the forest'.
The Elamite indefinite article is -ra, e.g., Parsar-ra 'a Persian', Afartu-ra 'an Elamite'. This corresponds to the Manding locative suffix -ra, e.g., Ton-ra 'land of Ton'.
The Proto-Saharan languages share the present participle -tu/-to. In Telugu (Tel.),the suffix -tu , is used as the present participle while in the Manding languages -to has the same function e.g., Tel. chestu 'made', M.tege 'to cut', tege-to 'cutting'.
The active participle in Elamite is -n, e.g., talu-n 'writing', or hali-n 'toiling'. This corresponds to the Manding -ni and -li elements e.g., sa 'buy', sanni 'buying', or du-mu 'eat', dumu-ni 'eating'. This -n, active participle is found in many other Black African languages including Egyptian.
The use of the -ka element is frequently found in the formation of Dravidian, Elamite, Egyptian, Manding and Sumerian languages. In Egyptian as outlined by Cheikh Anta Diop, in Nouvelles Recherches Sur l' Egyptien Ancien et Langues Negro-Africaines Modernes (pp.55-57), he outlines the use of /k/ and /t/ , to form agent nouns. In Parente genetique de l'Egyptien Pharonique et des langues Negro-Africaines (p.18), Diop explains the evolution of the -ky, and -kt particles.
In Elamite the passive participle is formed by -ka, e.g., hulta-ka 'done', turu-ka 'said'. This corresponds to the Manding -ka 'make, do',e.g., nyine 'see', nyini-ka 'interogate'.
In the Dravidian and Manding languages -ka, is used to represent the verb 'to be', as well as the subjunctive. For example in Manding languages ka, is a particle of different values, which corresponds to -kaa, the infinitive element in Telugu of the verb ag-uta 'to become'. In Tamil this element appears as aaga. For example, in Manding we have a ka-nye 'it's good'; and in Telugu kaa valenu 'it is necessary'. The same radical -ka represents the optative form in Telugu, e.g., aapani mundara kani 'how is labor given first place?'
In the Dravidian languages the suffixes -ke, -ge and -ka are used as the primitive verb 'to be' or 'to do'. They are usually used with abstract nouns e.g., ol 'to reign', ol-ka 'domination'. This corresponds to the Manding verb 'to do' ke , which is often joined to -la to form derived nouns e.g., sene 'cultivate', sene-li ke-la 'cultivator'.
These languages also share many cognate terms.
ENGLISH SUMERIAN MANDING Tamil chief kal,kala kele-tigi gasa(n) field gan ga kalan eye(l) igi --- akki eye(2) ini,en nya kan arrow kak kala kakam granary kur k'ur-k'ur kutir road sila sila caalai father pap pa appan lord manus mansa mannan male mu moko maakkal to recite sid siti to buy sa sa cel grain se se seed gen ge 'to sprout'
The linguistic evidence makes it clear that the Sumerians and Africans are closely related and probably had similar origins as suggested by Col. Rawlinson.
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quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: These people are Gutians--not Sumerians.
Incorrect.
The first is a statue of the Sumerian 'Inspector-General' Ebih-il, found in the temple of Ishtar at Mari (ca. 2500 BC), Louvre Museum.
Ebih-il was not a Gutian.
The Gutians overran Sumer and Akkad when the Akkadian empire collapsed. This was after c. 2500 BC. Ebig-il was a high ranking Sumerian.
Btw, the following busts show blue eyed Sumerians with clear Caucasoid features long before the Gutians arrived:
Worshipers and Deities, from the Temple of Abu in Tell Asmar, 2900-2600 BCE - 2.JPG (24.5 KB, 68 views) Sumerian sculptures of a man and woman praying, circa 2750-2650BC..jpg (91.4 KB, 49 views) MALE STATUE, Gypsum Early Dynastic period (ca. 2750-2500 B.C.) Iraq, Diyala Region.jpg (77.6 KB, 29 views) Standing figure of a female orant, Nippur Nuffar, Early Dynastic II-III, 2550 BC.jpg (25.6 KB, 34 views) Figurine Iraq 3rd Millenium BC.jpg (122.1 KB, 45 views) Face (head) of a woman, Early dynastic period II Ur I (2645-2460 BCE).jpg (57.8 KB, 50 views) Worshipper statuette of the singer Ur-Nanshe.jpg (197.1 KB, 43 views) 2ND-1ST MILL.BCE, The singer Ur-Nina, Stone statue from the Royal Palace of Mari.jpg (62.9 KB, 30 views) Official Ebih-Il, from the Temple of Ishtar at Mari - 2.jpg (26.6 KB, 56 views) Worshipper statuette of Ebih-Il, dedicated to Ishtar.JPG (57.0 KB, 32 views) Ebih-il, Inspector-General of Mari, from the temple of the Virile Ishtar, 2900-2750 BCE.jpg (61.6 KB, 28 views) Head of a Male Worshiper, Sumerian, Early Dynastic II Period .jpg (68.3 KB, 30 views) Sumerian figure head, 2900-2600 BCE.JPG (18.5 KB, 107 views) Standing female figure with clasped hands, Early Dynastic IIIA, ca 2600–2500 BC.jpg (97.0 KB, 41 views) Standing female figure with clasped hands, Early Dynastic IIIA, ca 2600–2500 BC - 2.jpg (103.3 KB, 33 views) Female Head, 2700 BC - 2600 BC, Khafajah.JPG (8.5 KB, 42 views) Votive Figurine Khafaje Iraq Early Dynastic II 3rd Millenium.jpg (127.1 KB, 44 views) HEAD OF A RULER, Third Dynasty of Ur, ca. 2000-2050 B.C. Iraq, Bismaya Temple.JPG (56.4 KB, 62 views)
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Just google image them for photos.
Most predate the Gutian arrival by over 600 years. They are Sumerians.
- A nightmare for afrocentrics i know, since these earliest Sumerian busts are of white people but the afrocentrics really should embrace some reality.
Ur-Nina (or Ur-Nanshe), 'The Great Singer.' (2600 - 2350 BC):
Blue eyes, straight brown hair, hook nose - clearly not negroid.
LOL. This is a lie. The Sumerians called themselves 'black heads', not brown or blond heads.
The reason they made this lie was because Rawlinson said that the Sumerians came from Africa. This offended many scholars during the time because they had perpetuated the idea that Blacks had no history. Rawlinson also implied that the Semitic speaking people were originally also Blacks.
Rawlinson never wrote this. I covered this in another thread and have covered this on K. 3364.
Rawlinson equated the original "dark race" of Mesopotamia to a "dark Caucasoid race" (Kushites) which in terms of later definition became defined as the Ethiopid race.
Rawlinson always maintained that the Kushites were Caucasoid, not negro.
His views were shared by his brother, George Rawlinson who wrote that the Kushites were Caucasian:
''this people was not of negro blood, but is to be regarded as Caucasian'' (History of Ancient Egypt, Vol. i, p. 110).
So once again we have afrocentric idiots quoting people they are distorting. They do the same with Godfrey Higgins, David MacRitchie etc. Blacks clearly are no book readers, instead they get hold of white 19th century scholars and twist or distort their position or views. Very strange indeed.
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quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: This is a lie. The Sumerians called themselves 'black heads', not brown or blond heads. Euronuts love to lie.
Because the bulk of the Sumerian population was black haired. It has nothing to do with skin colour. Their ruling dynasties however were blonde because they were Aryan.
Waddell, 1929, p. 3 -
The ''black headed'' were the 'subject people' e.g. the lower class masses. The Sumerian upper classes and royals were however blonde and blue eyed - a fact that continued to later historical periods.
quote:Originally posted by Ebony Allen: I know how whites on stormfront and numerous other white nationalist websites like to claim a lot of pride in some of the symbols like the swastika and even the so called Celtic cross and many others. None of those symbols actually belong to them. Even the fleur de lis and the iron cross originate in Mesopotamia. There are numerous pictures I'll post later.
The Swastika is an Indo-European (Aryan) symbol. It was created by whites.
You're retarded arse is claiming other people's accomplishments again. You folks stole it and used it for wicked purposes.
The swastika symbol was founded by east Indians.
And it spread to Buddhism early.
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The reason they made this lie was because Rawlinson said that the Sumerians came from Africa. This offended many scholars during the time because they had perpetuated the idea that Blacks had no history. Rawlinson also implied that the Semitic speaking people were originally also Blacks.
Rawlinson never wrote this. I covered this in another thread and have covered this on K. 3364.
Rawlinson equated the original "dark race" of Mesopotamia to a "dark Caucasoid race" (Kushites) which in terms of later definition became defined as the Ethiopid race.
Rawlinson always maintained that the Kushites were Caucasoid, not negro.
His views were shared by his brother, George Rawlinson who wrote that the Kushites were Caucasian:
''this people was not of negro blood, but is to be regarded as Caucasian'' (History of Ancient Egypt, Vol. i, p. 110).
So once again we have afrocentric idiots quoting people they are distorting. They do the same with Godfrey Higgins, David MacRitchie etc. Blacks clearly are no book readers, instead they get hold of white 19th century scholars and twist or distort their position or views. Very strange indeed.
More of your retarded cult nonsense.
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Clyde why do you keep using this trickery? This picture of one of the Gudea statues intentionaly because it is in profile view where you can't easily tell the nose was broken off and it looks more like you. That's the sole reason this picture is used as to other photos of the 22 sculptures of Gudea.
They broke off his nose to hide the fact that he was black. But they forgot to do it some of the statues such as where his Nilotic nose is in tact: Posts: 42919 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010
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Hay we have enough posts or threads on ethnic/phenotype thingy why not deal with symbols like the thread creator wanted.
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The Nazis took a nice Indian symbol and corrupted it beyond recognition.
I agree with the OT, they should have made up their own symbol if they were so superior, what a bunch of frauds
I noticed some forum talk about avatars on stormfront. They were saying that stormfront doesn't permit a swastika to be used as someone's avatar. Is this true? please verify
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quote:Originally posted by Doug M: So the Iraqis are white people now? Really? LOL!
There are pockets of Aryan-blooded populations across the middle-east. Many have retained a high degree of the original phenotype.
Afghan child -
Retard, there was many wars between southeast Europe and Mesopotamia! This is why, retard!
Beside that point, who says they can't produce people like that child?
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Clyde why do you keep using this trickery? This picture of one of the Gudea statues intentionaly because it is in profile view where you can't easily tell the nose was broken off and it looks more like you. That's the sole reason this picture is used as to other photos of the 22 sculptures of Gudea.
They broke off his nose to hide the fact that he was black. But they forgot to do it some of the statues such as where his Nilotic nose is in tact: [/QB]
Question is, in who's possession were these, and what was the initial goal?
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It was founded by Indo-Europeans and transported to India.
Athenian pottery:
Norse rune stone:
lol.
That thing with a few scratches? When where? What I have shown surpasses your Athenian pottery. It likely was introduced the other way around, if it's actually true.
Besides that...
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The earliest use of the swastika can be found in the Vinca script which is over 6 thousand years old and found in southeastern Europe. These same people had the earliest known script and the earliest known civilizations. Many experts are now thinking that the Sumerians originated from around this area.
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quote:Originally posted by Simple Girl: The earliest use of the swastika can be found in the Vinca script which is over 6 thousand years old and found in southeastern Europe. These same people had the earliest known script and the earliest known civilizations. Many experts are now thinking that the Sumerians originated from around this area.
See the symbol circled in red on the fifth row down.
Why is there no continuation of this script elsewhere in Europe?
Who are the people who founded this script.
And when was this script discovered / recovered, by whom?
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quote:Word is that the double helix has roots in occult sources
Oh yes a lot of these secret societies draws heavily from the symbolism from earlier civilizations.
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That thing with a few scratches? When where? What I have shown surpasses your Athenian pottery. It likely was introduced the other way around, if it's actually true.
Indo-Europeans (Aryans) only arrived in mainland India around 1100 BC (prior to this they were in the Indus Valley). This date, or slightly earlier corresponds to the Vedic age the Rig-Veda was composed.
The Vedic texts describe a conflict between the dark skinned Dasyu (Dravidians) and the Aryan invanders who are described as white and golden and red haired.
The Aryan invaders introduced the Swastika to India.
The Swastika is an Indo-European symbol.
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Quotes from the Rig Veda, the original Holy Book of the Aryan conquerors of India (which has now been corrupted but is still to this day in use as the main Hindu religious text) contains a great many references to the race of the conquerors and the conquered.
According to the Rig Veda, the leader of the Aryan invasion was one Indra, and his role in “slaying the Dasyus” (Dravidians) is prominent in the Rig Veda:
"Thou, Indra, art the destroyer of all the cities, the slayer of the Dasyus, the prosperer of man, the lord of the sky." - RgV. VIII 87.6
THE “ARYAN COLOR” – THE RIG VEDA
The Rig Veda praises the god who "destroyed the Dasyans and protected the Aryan colour." - Rg.V. III 34.9
It then goes on to thank the god who "bestowed on his white friends the fields, bestowed the sun, bestowed the waters." - Rg.V. I 100.18
Dark skin is repeatedly referred to with abhorrence in the Rig Veda: starting with a description of the "black skin" or 'dark skin' (`Krishnam Vacham') in RgV. IX 41.1, Sam. V I.491 and II.242.
Rg.V. I 130.8 tells of how the “black skin” was conquered:
"Indra protected in battle the Aryan worshipper, he subdued the lawless for Manu, he conquered the black skin."
The Rig Veda thanks god for "scattering the slave bands of black descent", and for stamping out "the vile Dasyan colour." - Rg.V. II.20.7, II 12.4
RIG VEDA DESCRIBES ARYAN GODS AS BLONDS
Indra - 10.23.4 - "With him too is this rain of his that comes like herds: Indra throws drops of moisture on his yellow beard. When the sweet juice is shed he seeks the pleasant place, and stirs the worshipper as wind disturbs the wood."
Indra - 10.96.8 - "At the swift draught the Soma-drinker waxed in might, the Iron One with yellow beard and yellow hair. He, Lord of Tawny Coursers, Lord of fleet-foot Mares, will bear his Bay Steeds safely over all distress."
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quote:Originally posted by Simple Girl: The earliest use of the swastika can be found in the Vinca script which is over 6 thousand years old and found in southeastern Europe. These same people had the earliest known script and the earliest known civilizations. Many experts are now thinking that the Sumerians originated from around this area.
See the symbol circled in red on the fifth row down.
Why is there no continuation of this script elsewhere in Europe?
Who are the people who founded this script.
And when was this script discovered / recovered, by whom?
It's a proto-writing isolate.
The earliest form of proto-writing actually predates the Vinca by several thousands of years.
Over 2,000 pebble inscriptions containing the earliest proto-writing script were discovered in France, apart of the Azilian culture. The earliest date to 8,000 BC.
Here are the pebbles:
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quote:Originally posted by Simple Girl: The earliest use of the swastika can be found in the Vinca script which is over 6 thousand years old and found in southeastern Europe. These same people had the earliest known script and the earliest known civilizations. Many experts are now thinking that the Sumerians originated from around this area.
See the symbol circled in red on the fifth row down.
Why is there no continuation of this script elsewhere in Europe?
Who are the people who founded this script.
And when was this script discovered / recovered, by whom?
It's a proto-writing isolate.
The earliest form of proto-writing actually predates the Vinca by several thousands of years.
Over 2,000 pebble inscriptions containing the earliest proto-writing script were discovered in France, apart of the Azilian culture. The earliest date to 8,000 BC.
Here are the pebbles:
Those aren't pebbles. Those are drawings with scratches on them.
So, why isn't there a continuation?
From what I know the Azilian culture was a cave culture. A people dwelling in caves for thousands of years.
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The Black Gods of India: Shiva Ji Dread-locks God of India By- sodhi ram, Dhan Sant Gurdev
February 26, 2009
It was the almighty Bhagwan Valmiki who invented sanskrit and wrote the Ramayan ten thousand years before the birth of aryan rama. In the Ramayan it is a battle between aryans and (anaryas) as they are called. Lord Ravana was a raksish. He also had black skin and was a native Dravidian of India.
The baaner saina which means the army of ape like men were also and indian aboriginal tribe I believe that they could have a connection with the Africans. [Editor’s Note: In India the Ape or Anuman is a sign of divinity and holiness] The Baaner saina were fighting on the side of aryan lord Rama. They also constructed a bridge conecting tamil nadu and lanka. That bridge still remains. It is called Ram Setu. This bridge can also be seen from outer space as Nasa has revealed pictures on the internet.
Shivaism was one of the first religions in india because Shiva is the Hindu equivalent to Adam. Shiva was the first man on earth and parvati his wife was created by Valmiki from the flesh of Shiva’s thigh. Shiva ji did have dreadlocks and also black skin. It was from Shiva ji that consumption of ganja was included in religions. Shiva ji used to consume Ganja and meditate on the top of the kailash mountain for years.
The Muslim Mecca was Shiva ji’s house which was built for him by the patron god of construction Vishwakarma, the Sri Lanka palace of Rakshish Ravana (Black Indian) was also built by Lord Vishwakarma.
That is why there is the black stone there which every pilgrim kisses. The black stone is from Shivaism which is called a linga. It represents the male genitals of shiva ji. The genitals of Shiva ji are held sacred because it is from those genitals that Shiva ji gave life to the world.That is the beginning of man.
Hinduism has been there since the start there was no religion before hinduism because It was from Shiva ji (Adam) that the whole of mankind was created. When there was nothing on this planet but water before anything existed Valmiki sat on the sacred lotus flower and created the world within 36 yuga.
Valmiki was the almighty God he had the power to created a child out of straw when he created the second son of Aryan lord Rama who was named kush.
If Shiva Ji was the first man then Hinduism is the first religion. -
[Editor's Note: Shiva ji was a Black-skinned, Ganja-smoking Dread-Locks, Mountain-Loving First-man-God of India]
Post Scripts:
I compiled this information from the Shri Ramayan Ad Dharm Granth which was written by Sant Satguru Gurdev Singh ji.
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: THE RIG VEDA DESCRIBES RACIAL CONFLICT
baa...bvaaa..bvaaaa ..... "Indra protected in battle the Aryan worshipper, he subdued the lawless for Manu, he conquered the black skin."
The Rig Veda thanks god for "scattering the slave bands of black descent", and for stamping out "the vile Dasyan colour." - Rg.V. II.20.7, II 12.4
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Black Indra Daughter of the South
Old and antique Indra Statue Tibet
Krishna the Black God-Head of India:
quote:Krishna (Hindi/Sanskrit: कृष्ण)(kṛṣṇa in IAST, pronounced [ˈkr̩ʂɳə] literally "dark, black, dark-blue"[1]) is a central figure of Hinduism and is traditionally attributed the authorship of the Bhagavad Gita. He is an Avatar of Vishnu and considered in some monotheistic traditions as the Supreme Being.
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: THE RIG VEDA DESCRIBES RACIAL CONFLICT
baa...bvaaa..bvaaaa ..... "Indra protected in battle the Aryan worshipper, he subdued the lawless for Manu, he conquered the black skin."
The Rig Veda thanks god for "scattering the slave bands of black descent", and for stamping out "the vile Dasyan colour." - Rg.V. II.20.7, II 12.4
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Black Indra Daughter of the South
Old and antique Indra Statue Tibet
Krishna the Black God-Head of India:
quote:Krishna (Hindi/Sanskrit: कृष्ण)(kṛṣṇa in IAST, pronounced [ˈkr̩ʂɳə] literally "dark, black, dark-blue"[1]) is a central figure of Hinduism and is traditionally attributed the authorship of the Bhagavad Gita. He is an Avatar of Vishnu and considered in some monotheistic traditions as the Supreme Being.
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: ^ Gods or historical figures are altered by different races. In China, Jesus is painted as having slanted eyes.
The Dravidian/Veddoid/Negrito's often altered certain Gods or figures to reflect their own phenotype.
Aryan Buddha -
Ancient mural
Further note the Pali Cannon describes Buddha as blue eyed.
Negrito Buddha -
Where does it speak of Aryan Buddha?
And, are you telling me you can read and understand the Pali Canon?
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quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: ]Question is, in who's possession were these, and what was the initial goal?
it's in our possession the illuminati. Our goal is world domination
primarily through extortion using a fake holocau$t story and the myth of Jewish exceptionalism.
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This writing system was created by Black people. It was based on the Thinite script.
The Proto-Magyar were one of the many ethnic groups which formerly lived in the Fertile African Crescent. They offered prayers to *kan, e.g., Magyar kan, konyorog, Manding kani, and Dravidian ka-n. They also worshipped the god Amon, who they called Anya
The name Maa is found in many Proto-Saharan ethnonyms. For example the Manding called themselves Ma-nde (the children of Ma), the Sumerians called themselves Mah-Gar-ri (exalted God's children), and the Magyar of ancient times referred to themselves as Muh-ger-ri , or Ma-ka-r (exalted children).
According to David MacRitchies the most ancient Uralic speakers were called czernii ugris or 'Black Ugris'. The Ugris were also called Hunni. The name Ugrian, is the origin for the word Hungarian. The Hungarians were also called Sabatocospali ,"the Blacks".
The Carpathian blacks arrived in the area in the 4th millennium B.C. The Tripolye culture dates from 3800 to 2100 B.C. The Tripolye culture was established in the Ukraine, Moldavia and Romania along the Siret River in the Ukraine. The Tripolye people may have collected/cultivated barley, millet and wheat. They also had domesticated cattle, sheep-goats and pigs. As in Africa, their principle domesticate at this time was cattle .
During the middle Neolithic copper was being exploited in several mountainous regions of Europe. The center for copper mining in Europe was the Carpathian mountains. Many copper objects have been found on Tripolyean sites .
Many animal and human figurines have been found on Tripolyean sites. The Tripolye rotund ceramic female figurines are analogous to the rotund female figurines found in ancient Nubia.
It appears that for over a millennium the Linear Pottery and Cris farming groups practiced agriculture in the core region of Tripolyean culture. The middle Neolithic Tripolye people on the other hand are associated with cattle herding and mining.
The Vinca people in addition to possessing writing were also engaged in copper metallurgy. They also made clay and stone figurines and fine pottery. As among the contemporary Nubians and Tripolyeans culture the Vinca people made fine human and animal figurines .
In conclusion the archaeological evidence suggest that The Old Europeans may have been Blacks who carried the N1 lineage to Europe that were later replaced by Indo-European speaking populations. There were probably no ancient white foragers of farmers in ancient Europe.
The Tartarian writing was invented in Africa. .
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It is based on the Thinite writing systems which was used by African people to write their language in ancient times.
In 1983,Vamos-Toth Bator and I deciphered the Tartarian tablets and discovered that it is not relating to an astrological event, it was an amulet worn by a Proto-Magyar dignitary.
Figure2: The Symbols on the Tartaria Tablet
Figure 3: The Tartaria Tablet
This amulet was deciphered by giving the characters of the Tartarian tablet phonetic values consistent with the Proto-Saharan script. Winters and Vamos-Toth found that the interpretation of the Tartarian tablet in Magyar and Manding was quite similar. Reading the Tartarian inscription from left to right in Magyar we have:
Jo taj dogo ko. "Goodness here adheres(to you from) the Deity. Taj-a to bo. Here the source of abundance. To egybe . (The Deity is) the source of Unity. Ko ne. The Deity (is) for me. Mi ont ke Which integrates (me) into one Unity (with the Deity)."
Breakdown of Symbols on Tartarian Tablet This Magyar decipherment corresponds to the Manding reading of the same signs: Yo ta togo Ko "(Make my) Present state of Existence here the Refuge[of] God Ne Ko My God fo to (is a) pleasant Refuge Mi nde Ge to consume indeed Purity."
The use of the term Ko to denote God, by the Proto-Magyar in the Tartarian amulet, supports the Kushite origin of the Magyar people who made this amulet.
The genetic unity of the Magyar and Mande translations show the African origin of the ancient Tartarians.
The Vinca Tordos culture is very interesting because of the evidence of writing found in this culture. The famous Tartaria tablets were produced by the Vinca Tordos culture. The Vinca Tordos culture is associated with western Bulgaria, southwest Romania and Yugoslavia.
In conclusion the archaeological evidence suggest that The Old Europeans may have been Blacks who carried the N1 lineage to Europe that were later replaced by Indo-European speaking populations. There were probably no ancient white foragers of farmers in ancient Europe.
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Ok, I've heard the India and Southeast Europe origins stories (of the swastika), and so now I present to you that I've read of Indian origins aswell, along with Ethiopian origins.
By the way, noticed the Ghana / Asante reference: that it was apparently in Ghana too.
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The Mesopotamian's were Caucasoid. Look at their busts, blue eyed with clear Caucasoid facial features -
Don't follow afrocentric crackpottery which claims the Sumerians etc were black. Their claims hold no truth. Look at the above busts, they aren't of black people, they are white people and everyone knows this.
I wouldn't read too much into the coloration of those eyes. It's just an artifact of the substance used, which happens to be a Lapis Lazuli gemstone.
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