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Like to thank cassiterides for being very honest about why Europeans stole the history of the countries they colonized. Whether we are talking about Egypt, Mexico, or Ghana, Europeans arrived and got right to the job of stealing the history of the indigenous people. Every form of admirable humanity (art, language, any form of civilization) was quickly classified as the work of wandering Aryans. This allowed for the quick assimilation and enslavement of the population which was very profitable for the business ventures. Various business were started that exploited that native population. Naturally the natives had to be taught that they were inferior and that White built all the civilizations around them.
Good example can be found in texts from European explorers who discovered Great Zimbabwe. A century later the native population is actually telling European colonists that the stone structure was built by Whites. Same people that are now servants to the colonists.
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No it"s not, actually this maybe the only truth ever spoken by cassiterides on this forum.
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^ indeed. I really meant to give him or her a compliment for being honest in this regard.
Stealing history is a means to controlling the indigenous populations. Whites went busily about the job of making up the myth of the primitive negro. From Nubia to Great Zimbabwe - there wasn't anything of value in history that wasn't stolen because the alternative was Black empowerment.
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Sounds like a good book. Well, the best defense is a good offense so I guess it makes sense. Like I said, if Blacks did have a racism gene it would be helpful but we don't so oh well.
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: ^ indeed. I really meant to give him or her a compliment for being honest in this regard.
Stealing history is a means to controlling the indigenous populations. Whites went busily about the job of making up the myth of the primitive negro. From Nubia to Great Zimbabwe - there wasn't anything of value in history that wasn't stolen because the alternative was Black empowerment.
Great Zimbabwe was built by Semitic colonists. This has nothing to do with Eurocentrism, it was the native blacks of the region who claimed they were nothing to do with its construction which caused the initial interest in European scholars to consider that it was built by foreigners.
A good work supporting the semitic origin is R. Gayre (1972). The origin of the Zimbabwean Civilization.
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Sounds like a good book. Well, the best defense is a good offense so I guess it makes sense. Like I said, if Blacks did have a racism gene it would be helpful but we don't so oh well.
Caucasoid -
Greece Rome Egypt etc
Negroid
Mud hut
Every afrocentric knows this reality, which is why they try to steal white history.
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^^^ It amazes me this character is given the time of day on E.S, at least Lioness and Garrig have some "Legitimate" arguments and opinions at times..
Will fully Ignorant IMO.
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: ^ indeed. I really meant to give him or her a compliment for being honest in this regard.
Stealing history is a means to controlling the indigenous populations. Whites went busily about the job of making up the myth of the primitive negro. From Nubia to Great Zimbabwe - there wasn't anything of value in history that wasn't stolen because the alternative was Black empowerment.
Great Zimbabwe was built by Semitic colonists. This has nothing to do with Eurocentrism, it was the native blacks of the region who claimed they were nothing to do with its construction which caused the initial interest in European scholars to consider that it was built by foreigners.
A good work supporting the semitic origin is R. Gayre (1972). The origin of the Zimbabwean Civilization.
OMG - so these Semitic people had no idea of their origin, writing, culture, or anything Semitic and left absolutely nothing but local artifacts? Because there is absolutely no evidence that there was anything but local development of Great Zimbabwe over hundreds of years and YEP - here we go again.
CacaZoid lies.
But you can't put the cat back in the bag. You said it youself - so called Caucasoids steal history to control the indigenous populations.
Great Zimbabwe is just another example.
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Sounds like a good book. Well, the best defense is a good offense so I guess it makes sense. Like I said, if Blacks did have a racism gene it would be helpful but we don't so oh well.
Caucasoid -
Greece Rome Egypt etc
Negroid
Mud hut
Every afrocentric knows this reality, which is why they try to steal white history.
Greece and Rome was not produced by True Caucasoid but by an intermediate race Mediterranean race with Negro blood. Without that Negro Blood the Caucasoids of the area would be just a little more advance than Neaderthals and nothing more. Just cave dwelling cannibalistic Druids without agriculture that was introduce by Negro Natufians.
Note how meditid is the sister clade of the subsaharid:
You and your R clade is no where close to the great people of the origin of civilization.
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: Because there is absolutely no evidence that there was anything but local development of Great Zimbabwe over hundreds of years and YEP - here we go again.
CacaZoid lies.
But you can't put the cat back in the bag. You said it youself - so called Caucasoids steal history to control the indigenous populations.
Great Zimbabwe is just another example. [/QB]
- The Lemba people have Semitic admixture from a long time back. They have oral traditions of white skinned Semitic ancestors.
Genetic studies -
''A genetic study in 1996 suggested that more than 50% of the Lemba Y-chromosomes are Semitic in origin. A subsequent study in 2000 reported more specifically that a substantial number of Lemba men carry a particular haplotype of the Y-chromosome known as the Cohen modal haplotype (CMH), as well as, a haplogrup of Y-DNA Haplogroup J found amongst some Jews and in other populations across the Middle East
More recently, Mendez et al. (2011) observed that a moderately high frequency of the studied Lemba samples carried Y-DNA Haplogroup T, which is considered to be of Near Eastern origin''
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As for the book i referenced, here is his claims:
Gayre mentions the Lemba oral tradition that their male ancestors came by boat (from a country to the north which contained large cities) in order to obtain gold. He also draws attention to the numerous Semitic features and customs displayed by the Lemba.
1. Models of circumcised male organs were found at Great Zimbabwe; (the Lembas introduced that practice into southern Africa).
2. 2.The Lemba bury their dead in an extended rather than a crouched position i.e., in the same style as in certain Zimbabwean graves, where gold jewellery confirmed their association with the ancient civilization.
3.The old Lemba language was a dialect of Karanga which is spoken today in the Masvingo area of Zimbabwe; (thus, the Lemba female ancestry must have contained a large MaKaranga element).
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Semitic is a language group,people speaking that language originated in Ethiopia and the horn in general and migrated out wards to the Arabian peninsular ,the Lemba made no such claim as to being white -skinned at an earlier date that's your white King Solomon Queen of Ophir movie fantasy. Posts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: Because there is absolutely no evidence that there was anything but local development of Great Zimbabwe over hundreds of years and YEP - here we go again.
CacaZoid lies.
But you can't put the cat back in the bag. You said it youself - so called Caucasoids steal history to control the indigenous populations.
Great Zimbabwe is just another example.
- The Lemba people have Semitic admixture from a long time back. They have oral traditions of white skinned Semitic ancestors.
Genetic studies -
''A genetic study in 1996 suggested that more than 50% of the Lemba Y-chromosomes are Semitic in origin. A subsequent study in 2000 reported more specifically that a substantial number of Lemba men carry a particular haplotype of the Y-chromosome known as the Cohen modal haplotype (CMH), as well as, a haplogrup of Y-DNA Haplogroup J found amongst some Jews and in other populations across the Middle East
More recently, Mendez et al. (2011) observed that a moderately high frequency of the studied Lemba samples carried Y-DNA Haplogroup T, which is considered to be of Near Eastern origin''
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As for the book i referenced, here is his claims:
Gayre mentions the Lemba oral tradition that their male ancestors came by boat (from a country to the north which contained large cities) in order to obtain gold. He also draws attention to the numerous Semitic features and customs displayed by the Lemba.
1. Models of circumcised male organs were found at Great Zimbabwe; (the Lembas introduced that practice into southern Africa).
2. 2.The Lemba bury their dead in an extended rather than a crouched position i.e., in the same style as in certain Zimbabwean graves, where gold jewellery confirmed their association with the ancient civilization.
3.The old Lemba language was a dialect of Karanga which is spoken today in the Masvingo area of Zimbabwe; (thus, the Lemba female ancestry must have contained a large MaKaranga element). [/QB]
I actually like the Lemba angle. So these Black Jews built Great Zimbabwe?
And as a consequence Great Zimbabwe is Caucasoid in origin even if there is not a single Caucasoid skeleton, writing, artifact, or even a depiction of anything Caucasoid. But you are ready to claim the whole thing as Caucasoid and you call Afrocentrics nuts?
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Osrion Black Jews did not built Zimbabwe their Kings would be strangled to death by their wives as soon as he became in-firmed, their kingship resemble other models found through out Africa from the far North in Kemet to the Kings of the west something like the Hed Sed was in play as a matter those buildings had origins further south in South Africa called Mapungubwe,if out siders settled among-st them from other areas in African or outside well that was due to it's international trade. Neither Mapungubwe nor Zimbabwe were isolates they draw people to it's area from near and far as expected from any respectable civilization. http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=004665 As for building^ in stone I am sure you are a where of this thread.
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"...the Lemba tribe of southern Africa was recently shown to be genetically linked through the Y-chromosome to the Jewish population of Mesopotamia some 2,000 years ago. In key genetic ways, they are quite distant from many other Africans."
"The Lemba are a tribe of Bantu-speaking black Africans who believe they are descended from Jews. ... Thompson's laboratory discovered that in their Y-chromosomes was a genetic marker found only among Jews. The Lemba tradition that a high priest named Buba led them out of Judaea may indeed be based on a real event. ... The Jewish gene in the Lemba tribe is found in only about 10% of the men, yet the whole tribe practices Jewish traditions."
Jon Entine. Taboo: Why Black Athletes Dominate Sports and Why We're Afraid to Talk About It. New York: Public Affairs, 2000. Excerpt from page 109:
"The Lemba have clan names like Sadiqui and Hamisi that are clearly Semitic and have an enigmatic identity that traces their origins to an ancient Jewish community in what is now Yemen. Although scholars had long dismissed their claims as having been adopted from tales spun by missionaries, research now confirms that the black-skinned Lemba are genetic cousins of white Sephardic Jews. A team of geneticists has determined that many Lemba carry in their male chromosome a set of DNA sequences that is distinctive of the Jewish priests believe to be the descendants of Aaron, one of the twelve original Jewish tribes."
quote- It may sound like another myth of a lost tribe of Israel, but British scientists have carried out DNA tests which have confirmed their Semitic origin.
Their oral traditions claim that their ancestors were Jews who fled the Holy Land about 2,500 years ago.
These tests back up the group's belief that a group of perhaps seven men married African women and settled on the continent. The Lemba, who number perhaps 80,000, live in central Zimbabwe and the north of South Africa.
Lemba women do not have Jewish DNA
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The modern Jews are traditionally divided into three groups, essentially based on the oral traditions of their families. The Cohanim are thought to be descended from Moses' brother Aaron, who was the high priest of the Hebrew temple. Because Jewish tradition follows a paternal line of inheritance, all modern Cohanim share a paternally inherited priestly ancestor. The other groups are the Leviim, descended from the ancient tribe of Levi, and the Israelites, all non-Cohen and non-Levite Jews. In 1997, genetic researchers found that there is a specific marker on the Y-chromosome, which paternally passes through the genome, called the Cohen Modal Haplotype. This set of genetic markers is found in nearly 50% of all Jewish men who identify themselves as Cohanim. It is found with nearly the same frequency in both the Ashkenazic and Sephardic Cohanim, even though these two major groups of Jews have been geographically separated for hundreds of years. The Cohen Modal Haplotype is only found in about 10% of the Levites and Israelites. It is nearly non-existent in non-Jewish populations.
In 1999 genetic data on the Lemba was collected by Tudor Parfitt, director of the Center for Jewish Studies at the School of Oriental and African Studies in London. He and his collaborators took genetic samples from men of six Lemba clans whose geographic range was from South Africa to Zimbabwe. Of these six clans, the Buba are notable as being the priestly clan. The genetic material was analyzed for the genetic markers that have been found in the Jews. Similar to the general Jewish population, the Cohen Modal Haplotype was found in nearly 10% of all Lemba men. In addition, the Cohen Modal Haplotype was found in nearly half of the men in the Buba tribe.
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"The Lemba are a tribe of Bantu-speaking black Africans who believe they are descended from Jews. ... Thompson's laboratory discovered that in their Y-chromosomes was a genetic marker found only among Jews. The Lemba tradition that a high priest named Buba led them out of Judaea may indeed be based on a real event. ... The Jewish gene in the Lemba tribe is found in only about 10% of the men, yet the whole tribe practices Jewish traditions."
quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Osrion Black Jews did not built Zimbabwe their Kings would be strangled to death by their wives as soon as he became in-firmed, their kingship resemble other models found through out Africa from the far North in Kemet to the Kings of the west something like the Hed Sed was in play as a matter those buildings had origins further south in South Africa called Mapungubwe,if out siders settled among-st them from other areas in African or outside well that was due to it's international trade. Neither Mapungubwe nor Zimbabwe were isolates they draw people to it's area from near and far as expected from any respectable civilization. http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=004665 As for building^ in stone I am sure you are a where of this thread.
I wasn't serious about liking the Black Jew angle in the sense of it being credible. I meant it in a sarcastic way.
Obviously the Lemba are just as Black as other South Africans and there is no evidence of Semitic writing, culture, or a single Arabic or Eurasian artifact not to mention it took hundreds of years to build Great Zimbabwe. I really actually like the angle because it is suggestive that Jews were originally Black like the Lemba.
Don't we have this depiction of Jews (Hyksos) / Habiru / Hebrews?
quote:Originally posted by osirion: Because there is absolutely no evidence that there was anything but local development of Great Zimbabwe over hundreds of years and YEP - here we go again.
CacaZoid lies.
But you can't put the cat back in the bag. You said it youself - so called Caucasoids steal history to control the indigenous populations.
Great Zimbabwe is just another example.
- The Lemba people have Semitic admixture from a long time back. They have oral traditions of white skinned Semitic ancestors.
Genetic studies -
''A genetic study in 1996 suggested that more than 50% of the Lemba Y-chromosomes are Semitic in origin. A subsequent study in 2000 reported more specifically that a substantial number of Lemba men carry a particular haplotype of the Y-chromosome known as the Cohen modal haplotype (CMH), as well as, a haplogrup of Y-DNA Haplogroup J found amongst some Jews and in other populations across the Middle East
More recently, Mendez et al. (2011) observed that a moderately high frequency of the studied Lemba samples carried Y-DNA Haplogroup T, which is considered to be of Near Eastern origin''
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As for the book i referenced, here is his claims:
Gayre mentions the Lemba oral tradition that their male ancestors came by boat (from a country to the north which contained large cities) in order to obtain gold. He also draws attention to the numerous Semitic features and customs displayed by the Lemba.
1. Models of circumcised male organs were found at Great Zimbabwe; (the Lembas introduced that practice into southern Africa).
2. 2.The Lemba bury their dead in an extended rather than a crouched position i.e., in the same style as in certain Zimbabwean graves, where gold jewellery confirmed their association with the ancient civilization.
3.The old Lemba language was a dialect of Karanga which is spoken today in the Masvingo area of Zimbabwe; (thus, the Lemba female ancestry must have contained a large MaKaranga element). [/QB]
Yesterday, at a tv-report NIK, on the Lembas. Out of their own mouth came. We are from Yemen, originally. We are from the tribe of Benjamin.
Never did they speak of white skin folks. Once. It's another one of your meth pipe- dreams. Creazy redneck.
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Osrion Black Jews did not built Zimbabwe their Kings would be strangled to death by their wives as soon as he became in-firmed, their kingship resemble other models found through out Africa from the far North in Kemet to the Kings of the west something like the Hed Sed was in play as a matter those buildings had origins further south in South Africa called Mapungubwe,if out siders settled among-st them from other areas in African or outside well that was due to it's international trade. Neither Mapungubwe nor Zimbabwe were isolates they draw people to it's area from near and far as expected from any respectable civilization. http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=004665 As for building^ in stone I am sure you are a where of this thread.
I wasn't serious about liking the Black Jew angle in the sense of it being credible. I meant it in a sarcastic way.
Obviously the Lemba are just as Black as other South Africans and there is no evidence of Semitic writing, culture, or a single Arabic or Eurasian artifact not to mention it took hundreds of years to build Great Zimbabwe. I really actually like the angle because it is suggestive that Jews were originally Black like the Lemba.
Don't we have this depiction of Jews (Hyksos) / Habiru / Hebrews?
Is this a Lemba?
Huhmmm, interesting. I never looked at it that way.
None at least, it's a very interesting input.
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: Because there is absolutely no evidence that there was anything but local development of Great Zimbabwe over hundreds of years and YEP - here we go again.
CacaZoid lies.
But you can't put the cat back in the bag. You said it youself - so called Caucasoids steal history to control the indigenous populations.
Great Zimbabwe is just another example.
- The Lemba people have Semitic admixture from a long time back. They have oral traditions of white skinned Semitic ancestors.
Genetic studies -
''A genetic study in 1996 suggested that more than 50% of the Lemba Y-chromosomes are Semitic in origin. A subsequent study in 2000 reported more specifically that a substantial number of Lemba men carry a particular haplotype of the Y-chromosome known as the Cohen modal haplotype (CMH), as well as, a haplogrup of Y-DNA Haplogroup J found amongst some Jews and in other populations across the Middle East
More recently, Mendez et al. (2011) observed that a moderately high frequency of the studied Lemba samples carried Y-DNA Haplogroup T, which is considered to be of Near Eastern origin''
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As for the book i referenced, here is his claims:
Gayre mentions the Lemba oral tradition that their male ancestors came by boat (from a country to the north which contained large cities) in order to obtain gold. He also draws attention to the numerous Semitic features and customs displayed by the Lemba.
1. Models of circumcised male organs were found at Great Zimbabwe; (the Lembas introduced that practice into southern Africa).
2. 2.The Lemba bury their dead in an extended rather than a crouched position i.e., in the same style as in certain Zimbabwean graves, where gold jewellery confirmed their association with the ancient civilization.
3.The old Lemba language was a dialect of Karanga which is spoken today in the Masvingo area of Zimbabwe; (thus, the Lemba female ancestry must have contained a large MaKaranga element).
I actually like the Lemba angle. So these Black Jews built Great Zimbabwe?
And as a consequence Great Zimbabwe is Caucasoid in origin even if there is not a single Caucasoid skeleton, writing, artifact, or even a depiction of anything Caucasoid. But you are ready to claim the whole thing as Caucasoid and you call Afrocentrics nuts? [/QB]
Which also is a statement of highly intrest. If I am not mistaking the name Zimbabwe means stone city. It's also known as the city of Queen Sheba / Makeda.
I have a gut feeling things are falling in place now.
It's also interesting to know that the Lemba carry the highest frequency of the Cohanim gene.
Y chromosomes traveling south: the cohen modal haplotype and the origins of the Lemba--the "Black Jews of Southern Africa".
AuthorsThomas MG, et al. Show all Journal Am J Hum Genet. 2000 Feb;66(2):674-86.
Affiliation
The Center for Genetic Anthropology, Departments of Biology and Anthropology, University College London, London, United Kingdom.
Abstract
The Lemba are a traditionally endogamous group speaking a variety of Bantu languages who live in a number of locations in southern Africa. They claim descent from Jews who came to Africa from "Sena." "Sena" is variously identified by them as Sanaa in Yemen, Judea, Egypt, or Ethiopia. A previous study using Y-chromosome markers suggested both a Bantu and a Semitic contribution to the Lemba gene pool, a suggestion that is not inconsistent with Lemba oral tradition. To provide a more detailed picture of the Lemba paternal genetic heritage, we analyzed 399 Y chromosomes for six microsatellites and six biallelic markers in six populations (Lemba, Bantu, Yemeni-Hadramaut, Yemeni-Sena, Sephardic Jews, and Ashkenazic Jews). The high resolution afforded by the markers shows that Lemba Y chromosomes are clearly divided into Semitic and Bantu clades. Interestingly, one of the Lemba clans carries, at a very high frequency, a particular Y-chromosome type termed the "Cohen modal haplotype," which is known to be characteristic of the paternally inherited Jewish priesthood and is thought, more generally, to be a potential signature haplotype of Judaic origin. The Bantu Y-chromosome samples are predominantly (>80%) YAP+ and include a modal haplotype at high frequency. Assuming a rapid expansion of the eastern Bantu, we used variation in microsatellite alleles in YAP+ sY81-G Bantu Y chromosomes to calculate a rough date, 3,000-5,000 years before the present, for the start of their expansion.
1 Department of Haematology and Genetic Pathology, School of Medicine, Flinders University, Adelaide, Australia
2 Department of Human Genetics, Sackler Faculty of Medicine, Tel-Aviv University, Israel
3 Current Address: Blood Bank, Sheba Medical Center, Ramat-Gan 52621, Israel
"The origin of Eastern European Jews revealed by autosomal, sex chromosomal and mtDNA polymorphisms" "EEJ are the largest and most investigated Jewish community, yet their history as Franco-German Jewry is known to us only since their appearance in the 9th century, and their subsequent migration a few hundred years later to Eastern Europe [4,5]. Where did these Jews come from? It seems that they came to Germany and France from Italy [5-8]. It is also possible that some Jews migrated northward from the Italian colonies on the northern shore of the Black Sea [9]. All these Jews are likely the descendents of proselytes. Conversion to Judaism was common in Rome in the first centuries BC and AD. Judaism gained many followers among all ranks of Roman Society [10-13]."
The Jewish E Project (formerly Jewish E3b Project) is open to all males in Y-DNA haplogroup E and any of its subclades, who have KNOWN Jewish ancestry on their direct paternal line (your father's father's father, etc).
The E haplogroup has been observed in all Jewish groups world wide. One of its major subclades, E1b1b (formerly E3b) is considered to be the 2nd most prevalent haplogroup among the Jewish population.
E-M35, which defines the E1b1b1 (formerly E3b1) haplogroup, is considered to be the second highest, next to J, for "Founding Jewish Lineages" in Europe.
It is found in moderate amounts in all Jewish populations, from Ashkenazi, Sephardic, Kurdish, Yemen, Samaritan and even among Djerba Jewish groups.
Black God: the Afroasiatic roots of the Jewish, Christian and Muslim religions
It is argued that just as there is a common Afroasiatic language family, so too there is a common Afroasiatic family of religions. There is an inner logic to be found in myths, folk-tales, rituals, customs and beliefs as far apart as Yemen and Nigeria which go back to an ancient past shared by the Bible and the pharaohs.
Using the method of comparative mythology, the author sifts through the work of scholars - including anthropologists, religious historians, archaeologists and classical Greek writers and contemporary comments on them by professional Egyptologists - to build his picture of the Afroasiatic heritage, and how much of it is still with us in modern Western thought.
Here are artifacts of ancient Hebrews. As can be seen at the Museum.
Israelite prisoners being marched out of Israel by Assyrian soldiers.
Note dead Israelites at left. From Bas Relief at Nineveh.
After defeating Lachish, the Assyrians moved on Jerusalem in 701 BC, and laid siege to the city. They were smitten by a plague (probably bubonic) and woke up all "dead corpses." (2 Kings 18, 19.) The king, Sennacherib, returned to Assyrian, abandoning Jerusalem, where he was assassinated by two of his sons while worshiping in the Assyrian temple.
Assyrians transplanted conquered peoples to other areas in their large kingdom, rendering them relatively helpless and disoriented. Their leadership was destroyed, and they were in unfamiliar areas, under guard. Other captive peoples were moved into their vacated lands. Some original Israelites were undoubtedly still in the area of Israel, having evaded capture. Mixed with the newly transplanted people brought by the Assyrians, they intermarried and mixed religious beliefs, absorbing elements of both.
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