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You can trick the novices on this site because they have failed to study J.A. Rogers, DuBois and Diop.
I have taught research for years. I have taught my students that a good hypothesis is self-generating.
The Afrocentric study of ancient history (ASAH) is based on four hypotheses confirmed by 200 years of research.
The paradigms for ASAH predicted four hypotheses that were unknown at the time the "Ancient Model" of history was developed, to guide the development of scientific knowledge for the africalogical study of early history. These propositions based on the "Ancient Model" are:
(1) If Blacks founded civilization in Asia and Africa , they may have influenced civilization in the Americas.
(2) If Blacks founded civilization in West Asia, Africa and Europe, archaeological data will support their earlier presence in these regions of the world.
(3) If Blacks founded the first civilizations, they also invented writing and other elements of social and scientific technology.
(4) If Blacks founded civilization they probably founded civilization throughout Asia and Europe.
Given the two empirical paradigms and four predicted hypothesse related to the "Ancient Model", africalogical ancient history research increase the precision of the application of afrocentric research methods and scope of research in this area .
These hypotheses make Afrocentric researchers falsificationists. The falsificationists seeks to confirm or disconfirm the four ASAH hypotheses.
Euronuts always claim that Afrocentrism lacks a scientific base but they never provide counter evidence falsifying the four ASAH.
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Coconut african-americans, Fake Asian and European writers will never define OUR history.
Knowledge is cumulative. In other words we build new knowledge on the research of the giants in our field. From your lack of knowledge about DuBois' it is clear you have no recognition of the fact that what you guys are writing about has already been discussed formerly, and your job should be confirming or disconfirming what these giants wrote.
I teach educational philosophy on occasion. In this class I just don't talk about contemporary educators I also talk about the Greek philosophers.
Charlie I have posted the following previously. I hope you will read it this time and begin to recognize that what Mike, Marc and I write about is part of a 200 year tradition of Afro-American scholarship. Learn to respect your own scholars. Don't let white supremacy continue to blind you to the truths of history.
Afrocentrism, is a mature social science that was founded by Afro-Americans almost 200 years ago.
These men and women provided scholarship based on contemporary archaeological and historical research the African/Black origination of civilization throughout the world. These Afro-American scholars, mostly trained at Harvard University (one of the few Universities that admitted Blacks in the 19th Century) provide the scientific basis the global role played by African people in civilizing the world.
Afrocentrism and the africalogical study of ancient Black civilizations was began by Afro-Americans.
Edward Blyden
The foundation of any mature science is its articulation in an authoritive text (Kuhn, 1996, 136). The africalogical textbooks published by Hopkins (1905), Perry (1893) and Williams (1883) provided the vocabulary themes for further afrocentric social science research.
The pedagogy for ancient africalogical research was well established by the end of the 19th century by African American researchers well versed in the classical languages and knowledge of Greek and Latin. Cornish and Russwurm (1827) in the Freedom Journal, were the first African Americans to discuss and explain the "Ancient Model" of history.
These afrocentric social scientists used the classics to prove that the Blacks founded civilization in Egypt, Ethiopia, Babylon and Ninevah. Cornish and Russwurm (1827) made it clear that archaeological research supported the classical, or "Ancient Model" of history.
Edward Blyden (1869) also used classical sources to discuss the ancient history of African people. In his work he not only discussed the evidence for Blacks in West Asia and Egypt, he also discussed the role of Blacks in ancient America (Blyden, 1869, 78).
By 1883, africalogical researchers began to publish book on African American history. G.W. Williams (1883) wrote the first textbook on African American history. In the History of the Negro Race in America, Dr. Williams provided the schema for all future africalogical history text.
Dr. Williams (1883) confirmed the classical traditions for Blacks founding civilization in both Africa (Egypt, Ethiopia) and West Asia. In addition, to confirming the "Ancient Model" of history, Dr. Williams (1883) also mentioned the presence of Blacks in Indo-China and the Malay Peninsula. Dr. Williams was trained at Howard.
A decade later R.L. Perry (1893) also presented evidence to confirm the classical traditions of Blacks founding Egypt, Greece and the Mesopotamian civilization. He also provided empirical evidence for the role of Blacks in Phoenicia, thus increasing the scope of the ASAH paradigms.
Pauline E. Hopkins (1905) added further articulation of the ASAH paradigms of the application of these paradigms in understanding the role of Blacks in West Asia and Africa. Hopkins (1905) provided further confirmation of the role of Blacks in Southeast Asia, and expanded the scope of africalogical research to China (1905).
This review of the 19th century africalogical social scientific research indicate confirmation of the "Ancient Model" for the early history of Blacks. We also see a movement away from self-published africalogical research, and publication of research, and the publication of research articles on afrocentric themes, to the publication of textbooks.
It was in these books that the paradigms associated with the "Ancient Model" and ASAH were confirmed, and given reliability by empirical research. It was these texts which provided the pedagogic vehicles for the perpetuation of the africalogical normal social science.
The afrocentric textbooks of Hopkins (1905), Perry (1893) and Williams (1883) proved the reliability and validity of the ASAH paradigms. The discussion in these text of contemporary scientific research findings proving the existence of ancient civilizations in Egypt, Nubia-Sudan (Kush), Mesopotamia, Palestine and North Africa lent congruency to the classical literature which pointed to the existence of these civilizations and these African origins ( i.e., the children of Ham= Khem =Kush?).
The authors of the africalogical textbooks reported the latest archaeological and anthropological findings. The archaeological findings reported in these textbooks added precision to their analysis of the classical and Old Testament literature. This along with the discovery of artifacts on the ancient sites depicting Black\African people proved that the classical and Old Testament literature, as opposed to the "Aryan Model", objectively identified the Black\African role in ancient history. And finally, these textbooks confirmed that any examination of references in the classical literature to Blacks in Egypt, Kush, Mesopotamia and Greece\Crete exhibited constancy to the evidence recovered from archaeological excavations in the Middle East and the Aegean. They in turn disconfirmed the "Aryan Model", which proved to be a falsification of the authentic history of Blacks in early times.
The creation of africalogical textbooks provided us with a number of facts revealing the nature of the afrocentric ancient history paradigms. They include a discussion of:
1) the artifacts depicting Blacks found at ancient sites
recovered through archaeological excavation;
2) the confirmation of the validity of the classical and Old
Testament references to Blacks as founders of civilization in Africa and Asia;
3) the presence of isolated pockets of Blacks existing outside Africa; and
4) that the contemporary Arab people in modern Egypt are not the descendants of the ancient Egyptians.
The early africalogical textbooks also outlined the africalogical themes research should endeavor to study. A result, of the data collected by the africalogical ancient history research pioneers led to the development of three facts by the end of the 19th century, which needed to be solved by the afrocentric paradigms: (1) What is the exact relationship of ancient Egypt, to Blacks in other parts of Africa;
(2) How and when did Blacks settle America, Asia and Europe;
(3) What are the contributions of the Blacks to the rise, and cultural expression ancient Black\African civilizations;
(4) Did Africans settle parts of America in ancient times.
As you can see the structure of Afrocentrism were made long before Boas and the beginning of the 20th Century.In fact , I would not be surprised if Boas learned what he talked about from the early Afrocentric researchers discussed in this post.
As you can see Afro-Americans have be writing about the Global history of ancient Black civilizations for almost 200 years. It was Afro-Americans who first mentioned the African civilizations of West Africa and the Black roots of Egypt. These Afro-Americans made Africa a historical part of the world.
Afro-American scholars not only highlighted African history they also discussed the African/Black civilizations developed by African people outside Africa over a hundred years before Bernal and Boas.
Your history of what you call "negrocentric" or Black Studies is all wrong. It was DuBois who founded Black/Negro Studies, especially Afro-American studies given his work on the slave trade and sociological and historical studies of Afro-Americans. He mentions in the World and Africa about the Jews and other Europeans who were attempting to take over the field. Hansberry There is no one who can deny the fact that Leo Hansberry founded African studies in the U.S., not the Jews.Hansberry was a professor at Howard University.
Moreover, Bernal did not initiate any second wave of "negro/Blackcentric" study for ancient Egyptian civilization. Credit for this social science push is none other than Chiek Diop, who makes it clear that he was influenced by DuBois.
DuBois
These scholars recognized that the people of ancient Greece, Southeast Asia and Indo-China were African people. When giants in study of Afrocentrism discussed Blacks in Asia they were talking about people of African descent. So when you claim that these civilizations should be outside the study area of Afrocentric scholars you don't know what you're talking about.
These researchers used anthropological, archaeological historical and linguistic evidence to support their conclusions. It is only natural that these well founded hypotheses developed by these scholars can be supported by population genetics.
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Get up off your knees and learn from the Afro-American scholars who began the study of Blacks in ancient history.
In conclusion, Afrocentrism is a mature social science. A social science firmly rooted in the scholarship of Afro-American researchers lasting almost 200 years. Researchers like Marc Washington, Mike and I are continuing a tradition of scholarship began 20 decades ago. All we are doing is confirming research by DuBois and others, that has not been disconfirmed over the past 200 years.
Aluta continua.....The struggle continues.....
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These four hypotheses generated additional hypotheses which have been confirmed:
Hypothesis 1: If Egypt was founded by Africans linguistic evidence will support this relationship (Confirmed).
H2.If Egypt was founded by Africans genetic evidence will support this relationship (Confirmed).
H2a.If Egypt was founded by Africans genetic evidence will connect the ancient Egyptians to west Africans because people from the Horn began to migrate into Egypt and the Sudan during the Roman period, this relationship (Confirmed).
H2b.If Egypt was founded by Africans genetic evidence will connect the ancient Egyptians to central-southern Africans because people from the Horn began to migrate into Egypt and the Sudan during the Roman period, this relationship (Confirmed).
H2c.If Egypt was founded by Africans genetic evidence will connect the ancient Egyptians to east Africans because people from the Horn began to migrate into Egypt and the Sudan during the Roman period, this relationship (Confirmed).
H3.If Egypt was founded by Africans who migrated into West Africa toponymic and linguistic evidence will support this relationship (Confirmed).
H4.If Africans founded civilizations in Eurasia linguistic evidence will support this relationship (Confirmed).
H5.If Africans founded civilizations in Eurasia genetic evidence will support this relationship (Confirmed).
H6.If Africans founded civilizations in the Americas linguistic evidence will support this relationship (Confirmed).
H7.If Africans founded civilizations in the Americas genetic evidence will support this relationship (Confirmed).
H8. Genetic evidence will indicate that White skinned Africans entered North Africa from Eurasia (Confirmed).
H8a.Genetic evidence will indicate that German speaking White skinned Africans entered North Africa from Eurasia (Confirmed).
H8b.Linguistic evidence will indicate that Germanic speaking White skinned Africans entered North Africa from Eurasia (Confirmed).
H9.Genetic evidence will indicate that original Western Europeans were Africans (Confirmed).
H9a.Genetic evidence will indicate that contemporary Europeans are not related to ancient original Western Europeans(Confirmed).
H9b.Linguistic evidence will indicate that contemporary Europeans are not related to ancient original Western Europeans(Confirmed).
This is just a few of the hypotheses one can generate based on the four paradigms associated with ASAH.
This is why Mike, Ironlion, and I can write about Blacks in Eurasia, or publish articles in peer reviewed journals on population genetics that confirm the 4 paradigms of ASAH.
We can do this because well established hypotheses are self-generating and our research is based on the shoulders of are greatest social scientists: J.A. Rogers, DuBois and Diop.
The novices here can only write on topics they think the Eurocentric academe will accept. This limits there scope and research, because Europeans have made it their goal to deny that Black and African people have an ancient history.
LOL Liarness Inc., can only confuse people who have not studied their history.
Most of the people here at ES interpret Afrocentrism based on what Europeans have wrote about Afrocentrism—instead of reading the research of the founders of this field of study J.A. Rogers, DuBois and Diop.
This makes them blind and dumb.
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What's that Liar Winters that you, Mikey boy & ilk are racist white people hating blacks who wish to do harm to whites & wish to demean & dehumanize us stealing our history, even going as far as to try to steal our very homeland & identities leaving us with nothing. That Afrocentrism is bull crap racism & its founders were black racist liars who hated whites and all other races? Who wished to build the black race up by demeaning & degrading other races particularly whites. OOOPS sorry shouldn't have commented as I said I wasn't gonna defend white history any more sorry about that. I withdraw my statement.
BTW, Cass you little peon pseudo-man if you read this, either post verified proof by way of my personal family tree that I lied & that my ancestors didn't come from where I said they did, & that I lied about my last name or apologize little man.
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Dr. Winters, you wrote the following hypotheses and I presented the some (not all) evidence below that they predict showing hypothesis integrity, validity and substantiation:
The paradigms for ASAH predicted four hypotheses that were unknown at the time the "Ancient Model" of history was developed, to guide the development of scientific knowledge for the africalogical study of early history. These propositions based on the "Ancient Model" are:
(1) If Blacks founded civilization in Asia and Africa , they may have influenced civilization in the Americas.
(2) If Blacks founded civilization in West Asia, Africa and Europe, archaeological data will support their earlier presence in these regions of the world.
Dr. Winters, you wrote the following hypotheses and I presented the some (not all) evidence below that they predict showing hypothesis integrity, validity and substantiation:
The paradigms for ASAH predicted four hypotheses that were unknown at the time the "Ancient Model" of history was developed, to guide the development of scientific knowledge for the africalogical study of early history. These propositions based on the "Ancient Model" are:
(1) If Blacks founded civilization in Asia and Africa , they may have influenced civilization in the Americas.
(2) If Blacks founded civilization in West Asia, Africa and Europe, archaeological data will support their earlier presence in these regions of the world.
STFU Marc, stop lying I know that is hard for you black racist white people haters to do. Just admit that you hate whites and wish to demean & dehumanize us by stealing our history, our heritage, our very identities. That you seek to do us harm by getting us to think we have no history, no heritage, no identities, & no homeland to call our own.
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quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: STFU Marc, stop lying I know that is hard for you black racist white people haters to do. Just admit that you hate whites and wish to demean & dehumanize us by stealing our history, our heritage, our very identities. That you seek to do us harm by getting us to think we have no history, no heritage, no identities, & no homeland to call our own.
Finally we can see the real problem Euronuts have with Afrocentrism, Afrocentrism is a reminder of the true historical experiences that make up world history.
If we make you feel you don't have a history that is not our problem. It may be a product of an inferiority complex developed among non-Mediterranean Europeans who know they have no history.
Afro-Americans (AAs) were the first Blacks to write history. These Blacks studied Greek and Latin. They read the Greeco-Roman literature and discovered that the Greeco-Romans did not mind admitting that 1) the Egyptians were Black,2) the Kushites founded civilization in Africa and Eurasia ; and 3) the first inhabitants of Greece and Rome were Blacks from Africa. These three facts are the ancient Model of History.
It is the Greeco-Roman literature that state 1) the Egyptians were Black, 2) the Kushites founded civilization in Africa and Eurasia ; and 3) the first inhabitants of Greece and Rome were Blacks from Africa. This means that when Afrocentric scholars confirm aspects of the Ancient Model of history they are not showing racism toward whites, they are acknowleding historical realities first chronicled by white Greeks and Romans.
To claim the Afrocentric researchers seek to dehunanize whites, based on historical facts first developed and elaborated by white Greeks and Romans is laughable.It is people like you who are the haters--since the foundation of your anger shoul be directed at the white Greeks and Romans--not Afrocentric researchers who originally began their research based on Greeco-Roman literature. We can't help the fact that the Ancient Model of history was later confirmed by archaeology, crianiometrics and the decipherment of ancient text. Look in the mirror and see the truth.
If Greeco-Roman literature, archaeology, ancient text and crianiometrics (science you invented) make you feel the Ancient Model of history "[seeks] to demean & dehumanize us [whites] by stealing our history, our heritage, our very identities.[And] That you seek to do us harm by getting us to think we have no history, no heritage, no identities, & no homeland to call our own." Is a product of delusional thinking, since it was the Greeco-Romans who created the ancient model of history.
Afrocentric researchers should not be blamed for your inferiority complex. Your inferiority omplex is the product of being taught lies by Western European scholars especially the Germans. The Germans and Britains created the myth that European history was began with the Greeks and Romans. They also invented the lie that Egyptians and other founders of the River Valley civilizations were Black skinned 'whites'.
You accepted the lie that founders of the River Valley civilization were Black skinned whites until you looked in the mirror--and saw you looked nothing like these people who you recognized looked like the AAs who live amomg you.
Recognition that the Black skinned 'whites' looked exactly like the AAs you hate but envy, made you feel even more inferior. You were able to keep down your fury until you read Afrocentric text which expanded the Ancient Model of history by conirming this history using the results of archaeological, linguistic and craniometric research.
You Euronuts hate me the most because I have taken your social sciences: history, linguistics, archaeology and genetics to further confirm the Ancient Model of history and then publish them in journals.
Mike and Ironlion are hated because they have created beautiful websites that spread the truth, and Marc has made wonderful pages full of visual evidence documenting the truths that come from knowing the Ancient Model of history given us by the Greeco-Romans.
If you feel Afrocentrism "[seeks] to demean & dehumanize us [whites] by stealing our history, our heritage, our very identities.[And] That you seek to do us harm by getting us to think we have no history, no heritage, no identities, & no homeland to call our own", blame these emotions on the Greeco-Romans and the history lies taught you by your teachers--not Afrocentric researchers.
Afrocentric researchers do not hate whites. If what we write disturbs you that is your problem based on the lies you have accepted as a result of your schooling. You may find peace if you accept the Ancient Model of history, which has nothing to do with Afrocentrism. it is a Model of History absent the history lies taught you by your teachers.
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What's there to debate lol? Both civilizations by traditional race social models are black. The book would just have to determine whether or not European society was largely inspired by a society of quadroons, or people who had more ancestry that was Native to Africa.
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Civilizations overrated and ppl hype it up cause Europeans tell them to. Not sayin we dont have perks but i wish blacks would see the merit in "uncivilized" groups of people...
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Define what is uncivilized , is it grand buildings grand armies, letters?? way of life ie how you treat other people??
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CLyde's propositions are reasonable but he needs to lay down a precise definition for what "black" is? How is "black" defined, socially and biologically?
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quote:Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova: CLyde's propositions are reasonable but he needs to lay down a precise definition for what "black" is? How is "black" defined, socially and biologically?
There are a variety of Black people. Biologically they are heavily pigmented varying in color from black (purple), to yellow- red and dark brown they are characterized as either possessing black or auburn hair that is wooly, curly, wavy or straight.
Their bodies can have sparse hair or abundant body hair like the Australians. The Black populations include brows that are vertical and without eyebrow ridges, or Australoid brows that are sloping and with prominent ridges. Black women have small pelvises. These Black or Negroid people include Sub-Saharan Africans, Pygmies, San, Australians and Oceaneans. The Ancient Black populations include the inhabitants of the river valley civilizations, Cro-Magnon, Kushites and etc.
San (Bushmen) Pygmies
Generally, physical anthropologists can tell the difference between the skeletal remains of an African,and European. This is due to “extremes” in African craniometrics and pelvis bone. Carlson and Gerven observed that the variance in craniofacial features in African populations may be due to diet( See: Carlson,D. and Van Gerven,D.P. (1979). Diffussion, biological determinism and bioculdtural adaptation in the Nubian corridor,American Anthropologist, 81, 561-580.) .
. The research indicates that craniofacial features, in relation to the skull can be shaped, in evolutionary terms by heritability and high biomechanical load. This is reflected in the morphological heterogeneity within the same population studied by Carlson and Gerven when they studied Nubian craniometrics.
These researchers explained that the differences in Nubian skeletal remains was not the result of populaton changes resulting from invasion. They argued that the skeletal remains represented the same population.
So instead of the changes in crania reflecting biological diffusion, the changes in facial features result from changes in diet that lead to less masticatory stress associated with changes in subsistence patterns . Research shows that changes in diet lead to variation in the size and position of the muscles of mastication which inturn lead to reduction in the robustness of the craniofacial complex. This would explain why the use of multivariate techniques show variability between modern and ancient crania and skulls of African people and the broad or fine features associated with diverse African populations.
Enviromental factors have also played a role in the development of an African/Black Variety. For example , the narrow slanted eyes of most Blacks living in the Sahel, South India and Northeast and West Africa such as the Dravidians, some Egyptians, Nubians, Fulani and Ethiopians, are probably adaptations of Blacks during the previous Ice Age, when much of the area around Lake Chad is suppose to have been a glacial area. .
. Many scholars believe that the melting of these glaciers may have been the cause for the appearence of numerous Lakes, rivers and streams in the Sahara. The narrow slanted eyes of Blacks here in the United States and Western Africa result from the descent from African people who formed an extra layer of fat to keep out the cold of the Ice Age. This cold and ice had little effect on the skin color/pigmentation of the African.
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The straight hair hair of groups such as the Australians and East indians (Dravidians) probably originated in Africa.
The ancestors of these groups probably lived in periglacial regions of Africa where straight hair probably evolved. .
. The Dravidians for example were part of the Maa Confederation and lived in the highland areas of Middle Africa like the Tibesti, until after the great flood when they migrated out of the highlands into the valley regions, and thence to Asia, where along with the Mande speakers the Dravidians expanded into Iran, India and eventually China.
In summary the straight hair of Africans relate to living in the periglacial regions of Africa before the great glaciers melted completely.
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I object to the word Afrocentrism to discuss African History. Is there Eurocentrism, Asianocentrism?
African and its diaspora got a long and rich history same as the Jewish people and its diaspora, but you just call it the African History.
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"Eurocentrism" is live and kicking, under the guise of "western" fraternity. The "west" therefore serves as the center of how the rest of the world is looked at.
I get the impression that self-centered geo-nationalism are localized into relatively narrower regions in Asia when proportionally compared to those in "Europe".
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quote:Originally posted by The Explorer: "Eurocentrism" is live and kicking, under the guise of "western" fraternity. The "west" therefore serves as the center of how the rest of the world is looked at.
I get the impression that self-centered geo-nationalism are localized into relatively narrower regions in Asia when proportionally compared to those in "Europe".
Let's have African people writing our own history with an African mindset and everything will be fine. Then call it African History (not afrocentrism).
It's like reading the news about Africa in BBC or CNN. It just doesn't make sense as they are there to promote British interests around the world not African interests. While many European scolars have a good academic neutral approach, we can't rely on that only as sometimes the bias is unconscious.
African history written by African people. That's the best we can do. We must also be wary of black faces Africans with westernized mindset.
Like christian priests writing about African religions and history in many history books. They obviously write in a way that tries to include African religions within christian history instead of being a full fledged religion on its own. Which it obviously is.
Same thing for any historical events and stories or works. Books about history must be written by African with an African mindset (culture) living their African culture everyday (including practicing an African religion).
We can't condemn Europeans for writing their own history with their own culture, mindset, interests, etc.
We must do the same and write our own history from our own culture, mindset and interests.
In African tradition, historical accounts were very important and always transmitted orally words for words from one generation to another. A lot of wisdom was put into them. Even an apprentice child could learn pages and pages of his own people history and religious verses.
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To be frank, I don't care who writes what history, as long as it is grounded on facts, rather than nationalistic fantasy!
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quote:Originally posted by The Explorer: To be frank, I don't care who writes what history, as long as it is grounded on facts, rather than nationalistic fantasy!
Well you should care, we should all care, because everybody got a cultural bias. You can't read about the history of the Christian religions written by a Islamist scholars (unless you already read multitude of other European/christian sources that is). Important bits here and there will reflect the Islam bias toward Christianity. Same thing with European history, Arabic history or African history written by other people.
Even black/African people with a Eurocentric mindset can be touched by cultural bias.
It's important to write our own history based on facts and not let other people write the our own history for us.
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Afrocentrism is a powerful social science and i support their position on Kemet being a African Civilization.
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quote:Originally posted by Masonic Rebel: Afrocentrism is a powerful social science and i support their position on Kemet being a African Civilization.
You don't have to be an Afrocentrist to know Kemet is an African Civilization. Even people like Herodotus (the Father of History) knew it.
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quote:Originally posted by Masonic Rebel: Afrocentrism is a powerful social science and i support their position on Kemet being a African Civilization.
You don't have to be an Afrocentrist to know Kemet is an African Civilization. Even people like Herodotus (the Father of History) knew it.
He is giving you the most obvious; so that he can seem reasonable when he challenges other obvious, but these would be less so. Jewish negotiations 101.
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To be frank, I don't care who writes what history, as long as it is grounded on facts, rather than nationalistic fantasy!
Well you should care, we should all care, because everybody got a cultural bias.
Tell me why I should spend excessive time caring about "who" writes what history, given the caveat I gave, which is: as long as the history is "grounded on facts"?
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^And how do you tell whether something passes a fact check or not? Research and independent verification, of course!
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The Afrocentric study of ancient history (ASAH) is based on four hypotheses confirmed by 200 years of research.
The paradigms for ASAH predicted four hypotheses that were unknown at the time the "Ancient Model" of history was developed, to guide the development of scientific knowledge for the africalogical study of early history. These propositions based on the "Ancient Model" are:
(1) If Blacks founded civilization in Asia and Africa , they may have influenced civilization in the Americas.
(2) If Blacks founded civilization in West Asia, Africa and Europe, archaeological data will support their earlier presence in these regions of the world.
(3) If Blacks founded the first civilizations, they also invented writing and other elements of social and scientific technology.
(4) If Blacks founded civilization they probably founded civilization throughout Asia and Europe.
Give us one single Afrocentric author that lists these Four Pardigms
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quote:Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova: [qb] CLyde's propositions are reasonable but he needs to lay down a precise definition for what "black" is? How is "black" defined, socially and biologically?
There are a variety of Black people. Biologically they are heavily pigmented varying in color from black (purple), to yellow- red and dark brown they are characterized as either possessing black or auburn hair that is wooly, curly, wavy or straight.
Many of the San have light brown skin sometimes yellowish and are not heavily pigmented.
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The Afrocentric study of ancient history (ASAH) is based on four hypotheses confirmed by 200 years of research.
The paradigms for ASAH predicted four hypotheses that were unknown at the time the "Ancient Model" of history was developed, to guide the development of scientific knowledge for the africalogical study of early history. These propositions based on the "Ancient Model" are:
(1) If Blacks founded civilization in Asia and Africa , they may have influenced civilization in the Americas.
(2) If Blacks founded civilization in West Asia, Africa and Europe, archaeological data will support their earlier presence in these regions of the world.
(3) If Blacks founded the first civilizations, they also invented writing and other elements of social and scientific technology.
(4) If Blacks founded civilization they probably founded civilization throughout Asia and Europe.
Give us one single Afrocentric author that lists these Four Pardigms
I list these paradigms. The paradigms are based on the research of Afrocentric researchers: web pagePosts: 13012 | From: Chicago | Registered: Jan 2006
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