This is a thread where you can describe the civilizations and contributions of "true Caucasoids" the rules are:
a. No civilizations that have admixture with Africans or Asians, Australian Aborigines or Native Americans/Pacific Islanders, etc count. You must prove the 'purity' of the "Caucasoid."
b. No civilizations that relied heavily on the achievements of African, Asiatic or mixed civilizations count.
c. Proof of Cro Magnon/Neanderthal heritage. Preferably close in phenotype as well.
On a sidenote can someone provide haplogroups of various countries in Europe so we can look at the levels of admixture? I'd rather have one anyway for future reference.
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Most of those groups don't seem to know the degree of genetic distribution of the peoples they worship.
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quote:Originally posted by malibudusul: [QB] This is a really good question. I noticed that always neo Nazis make a list of great white people they put in list a lot of Jews
Recalling that Jews are not considered white for Nazi
Complete nonsense. Jews are Caucasoid, predominantly Mediterranoid and Armenoid. Although mixed Jews, especially the Ashkenazi have a broader range of phenotype since they have admixed with other Caucasoid subraces (Nordics, Alpines etc) for many millenia.
The Nazis maintained that the Jews were Caucasoid, but not Aryan. Jews ethno-linguistically are of course Semitic, not Aryan (Indo-European).
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quote:This is a thread where you can describe the civilizations and contributions of "true Caucasoids
Caucasoid Civilizations -
Egypt Greece Rome Sumeria Babylonia Indus Valley
Of course those are the main recognised, but you can add many more - Hittite, Phoenician, Persian, Byzantium etc to the list of Caucasoid civilizations.
Historically Negroids (Sub-Saharan Africans) have never created a civilization. At least Mongoloids such as the Chinese can claim ancient China etc, blacks though can't claim anything. Its why black people, now nicknamed afronuts, are running wild across the net claiming they founded all civilizations out of self-hate and an inferiority complex.
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Sub-Saharan (Negroid) genes only entered Europe in recent times, only confined to the south and they then declined those once great civilizations.
Blacks decline Portugul
Originally populated by White stock, the nation of Portugal rose in four centuries to be the wealthiest most powerful country in the world.
A great commercial and maritime power, it had large colonies in Asia, Africa, and America. Its seamen were the first to explore western Africa and they brought back hundreds of Negro slaves.
By 1550, at the height of Portugal’s power, one-tenth of its population were Blacks. Today, Portugal’s population has slowly absorbed the Negro gene pool. as of 1975 it had lost all of its outside territories. Its workers are the lowest paid in Europe and they have the highest rate of illiteracy and a high infant mortality rate.
In terms of art, literature, music, science and philosophy the “new” Portugal has produced virtually nothing in 100 years and by most standards is the most backward nation in Europe.
RACIAL MIXING IN IBERIA (PORTUGAL)
The historical record is very clear on the importation of Black African slaves into Portugal. Unsurprisingly, the genetic evidence serves to confirm the historical account.
1) the mixed race North African Moors had between 28.6% and 71% HG25.2;
(2) there was no HG25.2 in Iberia prior to the Moorish invasion; and
(3) the average level of HG25.2 across Iberia today is 2%;
This would imply that about 3-7% of Iberian male lineages are of Moorish origin.
The population has been affected by three factors: the 700 year long occupation by the mixed race Moors, the African slave trade and the 500 year long influx by mixed race Gypsies. Considering the pressures to which Spain has been subjected, the relatively low levels of admixture are a tribute to the resilience of the White Spanish.
This is a thread where you can describe the civilizations and contributions of "true Caucasoids" the rules are:
a. No civilizations that have admixture with Africans or Asians, Australian Aborigines or Native Americans/Pacific Islanders, etc count. You must prove the 'purity' of the "Caucasoid."
b. No civilizations that relied heavily on the achievements of African, Asiatic or mixed civilizations count.
c. Proof of Cro Magnon/Neanderthal heritage. Preferably close in phenotype as well.
On a sidenote can someone provide haplogroups of various countries in Europe so we can look at the levels of admixture? I'd rather have one anyway for future reference.
RULE C: The information below, offers proof of Caucasoid Neanderthal heritage. Using biodiversity approaches, analyses show that ancestral Caucasoids evolved in Europe into Neanderthals, and failed to progress beyond the stone age. SOme Neanderthal genes carry over to today's Caucasoids:
"Pure white evolution led to Neanderthals both in terms of paler skin and cold-adaptive limb proportions. African evolution led to anatomically modern humans.
QUOTE: "What was different about the Neanderthals? What did the Cro- Magnons think when they saw them for the first time? To begin with, the Neanderthals were very light-skinned and the Cro- Magnons were less so. " --Juan Luis Arsuaga, Andy Klatt. 2004. The Neanderthal's Necklace: In Search of the First Thinkers
"This finding suggests that Neanderthals evolved a functional variant of the MC1R gene independently from modern humans as they dispersed into northerly latitudes, and thus supports the inference for the convergent evolution of depigmented skin in the Neanderthals lineage.." --Michael P. Muehlenbein. 2010. Human Evolutionary Biology
"Regarding environmental buffering, Trinkaus (1986 and this volume) reiterates that while Neanderthal limb proportions are suggestive of cold adaptation, no such indications are shown by Eurasian early modern humans. Their distinct limb proportions are instead indicative of an equatorial ancestry and better culturally based thermal protection.. the limb proportions of the Eurasian early modern samples are retentions of the African ancestral morphology of long limbs with long distal segments.." -- Erik Trinkaus (ed), 'The Emergence of Modern Humans", (C. Stringer p. 88). School of American Research, Santa Fe, New Mexico, 1989.
Modern scholarship shows a great 3-way evolutionary split in hominid lineages s several hundred thousand years ago. European hominids evolved into Neanderthals. Asians into Homo Erectus. Africans went on to evolve into today's advanced anatomically modern humans.
QUOTE: "Following the initial Out-of-Africa event, natural selection and random genetic drift began to drive populations in Africa, Europe, and eastern Asia in different morphological directions. Morphological differentiation was particularly clear by 500,000–400,000 years ago, and from this time onwards, there were at least three evolving human lineages. These may always have been able to exchange genes, but distance and small population size probably limited gene flow, and the composite fossil and archeological records indicate that the African lineage spread to replace or swamp the others beginning roughly 50,000 years ago. It is thus r easonable to supply the lineages with biological species labels: Homo sapiens in Africa, Homo neanderthalensis in Europe, and Homo erectus in the eastern Asia.
.. Many details of Out-of-Africa remain to be worked out, and disagreement persists, for example, on the extent to which dispersing modern Africans and archaic Eurasians may have interbred and especially on what promoted the relatively sudden Out-of-Africa expansion. Most authorities attribute the expansion to behavioral changes that conferred a substantial Darwinian fitness advantage, that is, that allowed modern humans of African descent t o survive and reproduce at a significantly higher rate than the archaic humans they encountered in Eurasia. "
-- Richard G. Klein. 2009. Darwin and the recent African origin of modern humas Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2009 September 22; 106(38): 16007–16009.
Some white "Racial Reality" or "biodiversity" proponents argue for European descent from NEanderthals "untainted" by Africa- a lily white "pure" line of white evolution.
Ironically, when it suits white racists, dark skinned, kinky haired peoples suddenly become "Caucasoid" when racists seek to appropriate their heritage and civilization to cover up Europe's massive borrowing, copying and latecomer status.
But let's go with their "pure white" evolution approach for a moment. ----------------------------------------------------
Using it, we see then that the first whites were cold-adapted Neanderthals that failed to progress beyond the Stone Age despite a sometimes favorable environment with rich resources available (Lewin 1994). Ice Age Europe was not a cold hell but had variable climate and rich forest, woodland and aquatic resources, including ancient variants of wheat-like spelt and chick peas in place that could have been domesticated, along with ancestors of sheep, cattle and pigs, and a favorable East-West climatic axis that could have aided domestication. Despite tens of thousands of years with these advantages and resources however, white lineages failed to move beyond the Stone Age.
Thus, using the "biodiversity" approach, the first great "racial" split in the humanoid line involved white Neanderthals who colonized Europe, and Africans, who colonized Africa and went on to become anatomically modern humans.
The first “pure” white genetic output was thus brutish, primitive, dead end Neanderthals. By contrast, it was Africa that produced the future of humanity- anatomically modern humans, not cold-climate Europe. White NEanderthals survived, until they were supplanted by more advanced, modern tropically adapted humans from Africa that mingled with and replaced them. This would be the first instance of the hybridization that produced today's white Europeans. It was the coming of tropically adapted African variants into Europe that caused Europe to progress beyond the brutish “pure” white Neanderthal lineages. Continuing migrations from Africa and a mixture of African and Asian OOA migrants- all anatomically modern humans- caused a second round of mixed breeding in EUrope, and was to eventually replace the pure white Neanderthal lineages to yield today's European hybrid population. QUOTE:
^^"There is wide agreement on a speciation event in Africa at around 0.8 or 0.9 mya when Homo erectus (or Homo ergaster) gave rise to a species named Homo heidelbergensis, or Homo rhodesiensis, or Homo sapiens. The new species expanded into Europe leading to the Neanderthal lineage, whereas in Africa it evolved into anatomically modern humans. The lineage of anatomical modernization can be subdivided into three groups, morphs, or grades: an early one including Bodo, Saldanha, Kabwe, Salé, a subsequent one including Florisbad, Laetoli H 18, Ileret (ER 3884), Jebel Irhoud, and early anatomically moderns with Omo Kibish, Herto and others." --Günter Bräuer, "Middle Pleistocene Diversity in Africa and the Origin of Modern Humans". IN: Modern Origins: A North African Perspective. 2012. Series: Vertebrate Paleobiology and Paleoanthropology Hublin, Jean-Jacques; McPherron, Shannon P. (Eds.)
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” Holliday (2000) examined postcranial morphology of the varied Levantine hominids from Qafzeh and Skhul(anatomically modern) and from Amud, Kebara and Tabun (Neanderthal). He determined that they were morphologically distinct; the anatomically moderns had tropically adapted body proportions, suggesting African origins, while the Neanderthals had cold adapted body proportions, suggesting European origins.” --Holliday 2000
This then could be another source of the Eurocentric inferiority complex. Pure white genetics produced only the savage Neanderthals. Africa by contrast, produced a better, more advanced human than white lineages. Today's whites still show some traces of Neanderthal genes, a throwback to their savage evolution. Some white writers argue that this Neanderthal remnant, could account for the white penchant for violence and murder. R. Bradley, advances this this theory in "The Iceman Inheritance."
So under this biodiversity approach, why then didn't pure white Europeans stay as NEanderthals? According to Bradley, they were replaced with the more advanced Africans and Asians. This diluted the savage white NEanderthal lineages, producing a better level of humanity. However the violent, savage nature of whites still remains, due to remnants of Neanderthal genes. Recent scientific findings showing European whites have traces of Neanderthal genes have been used by some claimants to support the Iceman theory. Some disagree with Bradley. Others argue that his theory of white ice age adaptation is true. Racial "biodiversity" proponents share general agreement along a spectrum with its central holding of pure white evolutionary lineages, "untainted" by "negro blood."
White European lineages [Neanderthals] were the first humans to engage in cannibalism
"Cannibalism is a good example. Several Mousterian sites, along which Moula-Guercy (France) stands out, have provided reasonably firm evidence of anthropic action on Neanderthal bones.. Defleur and colleagues (1999) compared the patters of ungulate and Neanderthal bones, the skeletal parts that were found and the tool marks on the bone fragments. They concluded that all the fragments with marks indicate prey that had been subject to butchery. This suggests that cannibalistic practices existed among the Neanderthals.. But the question of cannibalism can be understood in another way. When Wolpoff was asked about the meaning of the evidence found at Moula-Guercy, he replied with a question: why should modern humans be the only violent ones? Arsuaga went even further in believing that Neanderthal cannibalistic behavior actually constituted a very human behavior, which revealed a human mind (Both cited by Culotta, 1999). " --Camilo J. Cela-Conde, Francisco José Ayala, 2007. Human evolution: trails from the past.
"But recent excavation by Alban Delfeur and Tim White at the 100,000 year old French cave of Moula-Guercy has demonstrated cannibalism beyond any reasonable doubt. The site contains butchered animal remains, predominantly red deer. Among the bones are the skulls of two young Neanderthals, their masseter muscles filleted and the tongue removed from at least one of them; the cut marks on the inner face of the mandible are virtually identical with those mode on the inside of the 12,5000-year-old modern human mandible from Gough's (New) Cave, [England] described in Chapter 3 (see p. 80). Crania of both deer and Neanderthals were broken open to get at the marrow.."
RUKLE: THE FIRST CAUCASOID CIVILIZATION- THE NEANDERTHALS FAILED. IT WAS AFRICA THAT PRODUCED ANATOMICALLY MODERN HUMANS. LATER CAUCASOID (white) CIVILIZATION BORROWED AND COPIED HEAVILY FROM NON-CAUCASOID PEOPLES
It was tropical peoples that developed the most wealthy and elaborate civilizations millennia before cold climate Caucasoids. Egypt for example was a leader in civiliation for milenia before anyone even heard of Greece, and Egypt wass founded by indigenous tropical Africans from the south as attested to by mainstream scholars.
The alphabet used by today's EUropeans for example, developed from modified hieroglyphic scripts created in ancient Egypt, copied and adapted by Middle Easterners, then finally filtering down into Europe. Likewise the fundamental innovations responsible for advances in human civilizations - whether it be writing, powered machinery, science, medicine, agriculture, animal husbandry, metallurgy etc are from peoples outside Europe. Joseph Needham's monumental work: Science and CIvilisation in China, is but one example documenting the creations and innovations in place before anything comparable in Europe. The modern CHinese surge in technology and economic muscle continues or recaptures a pattern in part, that began long before EUrope rose to prominence.
Medieval EUropean universities for example drew heavily on the work of Islamic writers, including Islamic compilations of ancient Greek, Indian and Persian writings. Indeed it is commonly recognized that the scholarship of Islam is the central preserver of ancient knowledge and transmitter to medieval Europe, and its centers of learning. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_in_medieval_Islam#On_the_impact_of_medieval_Islamic_science for detailed references.
In fact said EUropean whites are primarily beneficiaries of geograpical windfalls in that numerous technological and cultural advances crucial to civilization, (from key animal and plant domestication- cows or wheat for example, to literacy, to advanced mettalurgy and a host of other items) were put in place first by non-Europeans, and then imported along an easy East-West climate axis to Europeans to cash in on the windfall, without having to do the hard, initial, original work themselves.
Such geographical windfalls for EUrope are shown in detail in Jared Diamond's 1997 Guns, Germs and Steel. Other writers such as Sowell 1981 note further geographic windfalls such as navigable river systems and harbor-friendly coastlines that enabled the spread of non-European derived ideas, technology and innovation. Europeans are borrowers from, and copiers of other peoples par excellence, even in cultural products nowadays deemed "European", such as the massively influential Christian religion.
RULE A- MOST OF TODAY'S SO-CALLED CAUCASOIDS ARE IN FACT NOT A RACE AT ALL BUT MIXED BREED HYBRIDS. SOME CAUCASOIDS STILL RETAIN NEANDERTHAL TRAITS FROM ANCIENT INBREEDING, YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF CAUCASOID HYBRIDIZATION, IF BIODIVERSITY METHODS ARE APPLIED
quote: "This in turn could be explained by Europeans arising from just a single admixture event between ancestral Africans and Chinese populations occurring in Europe about 30,000 years ago.." A. Templeton 2006. Population genetics and microevolutionary theory
White Neanderthal lineages having failed, the first modern Europeans looked like Africans. Anatomically modern humans developed in Africa not Caucasoid Europe.
Scientists reveal face of the first European The face of the first European has been recreated from bone fragments by scientists.
By Urmee Khan, Digital and Media Correspondent Published: 8:22PM BST 04 May 2009
The first modern European Forensic artist Richard Neave reconstructed the face based on skull fragments from 35000 years ago. Photo: BBC The head was rebuilt in clay based on an incomplete skull and jawbone discovered in a cave in the south west of the Carpathian Mountains in Romania by potholers.
Using radiocarbon analysis scientists say the man or woman, it is still not possible to determine the sex, lived between 34,000 and 36,000 years ago.
Europe was then occupied by both Neanderthal man, who had been in the region for thousands of years, and anatomically-modern humans – Homo sapiens.
Modern humans first arrived in Europe from Africa.
The skull appears very like humans today, but it also displays more archaic traits, such as very large molar teeth, which led some scientists to speculate the skull may belong to a hybrid between Homo sapiens and Neanderthals – an idea discounted by other experts.
Erik Trinkaus, professor of anthropology at Washington University in Missouri, said the jaw was the oldest, directly-dated modern human fossil. "Taken together, the material is the first that securely documents what modern humans looked like when they spread into Europe," he said.
The model was created by Richard Neave, a forensic artist, for a BBC programme about the origins of the human race and evolution.
QUOTE BY CONSERVATIVE CAVALLI-SFORZA ON EUROPEAN HYBRIDIZATION
"In addition, they allow one to hypothesize that the European population underwent substantial hybridization about 30 kya. The phenomenon may also have happened repeatedly at different times, before and after 30 kya.. the shortness of the European branch is most probably the response of the method of tree reconstruction to admixture." --Cavalli-Sfoirza, 1994. Genes, Peoples and Languages ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: posted 14 January, 2012 11:41 AM If you are a white heterosexual male in Britain you have virtually zero chance of getting a job. All the jobs go to blacks or other immigrants.
^^LOL - Idiotic nonsense. As of 2001, 92.1% of the UK population identified themselves as White, leaving 7.9%[270] of the UK population identifying themselves as mixed race or of an ethnic minority. The population of the United Kingdom in the 2001 census was 58,789,194, UK Office for National Statistics- 2001.
That leaves approx 54 million white people. About 33% of that population were adult men. So you are saying then that approx 33% of the approx 54 million white people in the UK are all unemployed? Damn you are dumb, but you only expose the bankruptcy of your racism.
The Fake C-Ass -Hole exposed PART 14 - BOGUS "NORDIC BLONDS FLITTING AROUND EGYPT
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: posted 29 December, 2011 06:05 AM
Hetepheres II was a blonde
^^Hapless dullard, you are exposed in another lie. Your own reference was checked. It yielded detailed citations which revealed a quite different story. Scholars say in the mainstream Cambridge Ancient History:
"We must give up the idea that she was of Libyan origin, an attractive theory which was based on blond hair of Hetepheres II, who was then thought to be her daughter. It is now evident that the yellow wig is part of a costume worn b other great ladies." --I. Edwards, C. Gadd, N. Hammond. 1971. The Cambridge Ancient History. 3ed Volume 1, Part 2, Early History of the Middle East
Yet another history says: "The walls of this interior room are decorated with hunting and fishing scenes, including a charming image of Meresankh and her mother, Hetepheres II picking lotus flowers from the river.. The pillars have images of Meresankh wearing a blond wig." --P. Lacovara. 2004. The pyramids and the SPhinx: tombs and temples of GIza
THE FAKER EXPOSED- PART 13- HIS BOGUS CLAIM OF "NORDIC" EGYPTIAN ROYALTY
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: posted 28 December, 2011 05:40 PM Early dynastic & old kingdom royalty was Nordic (blonde and fair skinned)
^^^Ha hahahahah you stupid mass of camel vomit! Up above you reference scholar Frank Yurco, but here is what Yurco said about the 12th Dynasty, debunking your claim of "Nordic" Egyptian royalty. You dumbass.... You are again debunked, with your own "supporting" references... lmao...
"the XIIth Dynasty (1991-1786 B.C.E.) originated from the Aswan region.4 As expected, strong Nubian features and dark coloring are seen in their sculpture and relief work. This dynasty ranks as among the greatest, whose fame far outlived its actual tenure on the throne... Because the Egyptian rulers of Nubian ancestry had become Egyptians culturally; as pharaohs, they exhibited typical Egyptian attitudes and adopted typical Egyptian policies."
- (F. J. Yurco, 'Were the ancient Egyptians black or white?', Biblical Archaeology Review (Vol 15, no. 5, 1989)
THE FAKER EXPOSED- PART 12 HE says Egyptologists like Frank Yurco says the Egyptians were "Caucasoid" --- "Virtually every egyptologist believes the egyptians were Caucasoid" --
BUt Yurco says nothing of the sort.. Here for example, is what he says about the 12the Dynasty rulers aho were Nubian descent: They seem really "Caucasoid"... yeah, right.. - quote-
"the XIIth Dynasty (1991-1786 B.C.E.) originated from the Aswan region.4 As expected, strong Nubian features and dark coloring are seen in their sculpture and relief work. This dynasty ranks as among the greatest, whose fame far outlived its actual tenure on the throne... Because the Egyptian rulers of Nubian ancestry had become Egyptians culturally; as pharaohs, they exhibited typical Egyptian attitudes and adopted typical Egyptian policies."
- (F. J. Yurco, 'Were the ancient Egyptians black or white?', Biblical Archaeology Review (Vol 15, no. 5, 1989) -
Another dodge is to twist an old chat/forum discussion statement by conservative Egyptologist Frank Yurco out of context. Yurco rejected those who "a priori" claimed the Egyptians were "black", that is, a dogmatic claim without presenting empirical evidence. He never rejected reasonable argument with data showing the Egyptians were an indigenous African population -QUOTE: .. basically a homogeneous African population had lived in the Nile Valley from ancient to modern times.. (Yurco 1996- An Egyptological Review, in Black Athena Revisited)
The Faker exposed- part 11
quote: Originally posted by cassiterides: ^You claim Vanessa Williams is a black woman when her heritage is white welsh and native american
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: ^ Eurafrican is Caucasoid.
^^You are once again exposed. You said EurAfrican is Caucasoid, and cited Serti in support. But using your own citation any reader can see that Sergi considers EurAfricans to be an amalgamation or mixture of many types, directly contradicting your claim.
SErgi says: QUOTE: "This human species, with cranial and facial characters thus well determined, I call Eurafrican; and this because, having had its origin in Africa, where it is still represented by many peoples, it has been diffused from prehistoric times in Europe... The Eurafrican species thus falls into three races: the African, with red-brown and black pigmentation.. Thus the Mediterranean stock is a race or variety of the Eurafrican species." --G. Sergi
You have again failed and are once again exposed. ------------------------------------------------------------
THE FAKER EXPOSED PART 9- HE CLAIMS ALL THESE HIGGINS "DISTORTIONS" BUT WHEN ASKED TO NAME THE SPECIFIC WEBSITES OF THIS ALLEGED "AFROCENTRIC' HORROR, HE RUNS AWAY. WHY IS THAT FAKER?
In fact, Godfrey Higgins ALSO says this about "negroes"
quote: "I believe all the Blavk bambinos of Italy are negroes- not merely blacks; this admitted, it would prove they very early date of their entrance into Italy." pg 286 pg 434 "the ancient Eturians had the countenances of Negroes, the same as the images of Buddah in INdia." pg 166 pg 474- "They aere in fact, all one nation, with one religion, that of Buddah, and they were originally NEgroes" pg 59: "nor can it be reasonably doubted, that a race of Negroes formerly had power and pre-eminence in India" pg 59- AS TO ETHIOPIA: And it is probable that an Ethiopian, a negro, correctly speaking, may have been meant, not merely a black person; and it seems probable that the following may have ben the real fact, viz, that a race of NEgroes or Blacks, but probably of the former, came to India to the west."
cASSIRETEDES own source debunks him. Note the footnote by his own author- QUOTE: "may not have been Negroes, though Blacks, though it is probably they were so."
His own source says they may not have been Negroes then adds: THOUGH IT IS PROBABLY THEY WERE SO."
^The Faker once again, debunks himself. And he seems not to realize that Ethiopia is in "sub-Saharan" Africa.. lol.. pathetic incompetent..
And he never shows these massive number of websites "all over the internet". Like what? How many? If they are "all over" then he should at least be able to give direct links to 6 showing pages where the "Afrocentrics: are "distorting" Higgins work. LEt's say what the faker has besides hot air. Post DIRECT LINKS to 6 of the huge number of alleged "Afrocentric" websites where the Afrocentrics are "distorting" Higgins. SHow how they are distorting Higgins with specific quotes and specific context.
Watch the Faker duck and run when he is again called on a claim, or make up yet another lie to cover his exposure... -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
THE FAKER EXPOSED- part 8:
quote:
Originally posted by Cassiredes: "Fair hair and light eyes colours are only found among Caucasoids, esp of Europe."
But then, in your own thread, by your own hand, you present a picture of an African albino that has pale skin, light brown or hazel eyes and fair hair. You said it was impossible, but then debunk yourself with your own posted picture.. This is like the 8-9th time you keep tripping over yourself with lies, contradictions, and bogus claims.
RECAP The Faker exposed- part 7 Originally posted by Cassiredes: "Fair hair and light eyes colours are only found among Caucasoids, esp of Europe."
^^Your claim is is completely bogus. Native diversity or albinism causes some tropical Africans to have light eyes and light hair. You fail againn..
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THE FAKER EXPOSED: PART 6 1-- ^^Faker! In your initial posts you claimed that it was Cavalli-Sforza talking 'bout negroes "mutating" from Pygmies. Now in your "corrected" post, YOU STILL APPEAR A FAKE. You now remove Cavalli- Sforza's name on the "mutant" claim, admitting that you were lying all along! Bwa ha aha a hah a ha ahahaha aha ahah..
2-- Second point- Peter Frost is debunked by Cavalli-Sforza who says as to his so-called "mutation" theory: QUOTE:
"It remains difficult to pinpoint an ancient place of origin for the Negroid type which includes all West, Central and South Africans. Contrary to many earlier opinions, modern Pygmies and Khosians are not good candidates for a proto-African population."
--Cavalli Sforza et al, 1994. The history and geography of human genes. 194
Frost mentions Cavalli-Sforza in connection with sexual selection, and movement of some groups from Nigeria-Cameroon to other parts of Africa. He never says Cavalli Sforza talks bout any "negro mutation" and in fact any mutation claim is directly contradicted by Sforza. Sucka, you not only lied bout Cavalli-Sforza, you lied about your own white writer- Peter Frost, and misrepresented him.
THE FAKER EXPOSED: PART 6 CassiREDES says: ''There are then no Australoids with blonde hair past the age of about twenty''
^^LMAO! Totally fake! Credible up to date sources note that blondism is prevalent in early life BUT, contrary to your claim that: "There are then no Australoids with blonde hair past the age of about twenty", the shade of color varies. In maturity the hair usually turns a darker brown color, but sometimes remains blond. See: "Gene Expression: Blonde Australian Aboriginals". Gnxp.com. http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2005/08/blonde-australian-aboriginals.php.
^^Here is one of your Australians over 20 years old who does have blonde hair. YOu are caught out spinning bogus claims AGAIN!. Bwa ha aha a hah a ha ahahaha aha ahah.. -
THE FAKER EXPOSED: PART 5a [b]So where are these tropical african peoples with pale white or fair skin? blonde red hair?
^^You fail again. African populations can readily produce blond or reddish blond hair as noted by hair study author Hrdy 1978 himself, and he references Nubia as an example. Albinism is another source of red or blond hair in Africa, and albinism is much more prevalent in African populations than among Europeans. Even African Americans produce more albinos than white Americans. (The pigmentary system: physiology and pathophysiology- By James J. Nordlund 2006: 603) (E. Roach and V. Miller 2004. Neurocutaneous disorders.) QUOTE: "In general, the prevalence of albinism in Africa is much higher, in the range of 1 in 1 100 to 1 in 3900."
So Africa can and does routinely produce red and blond hair. All non-Africans are MORE LIMITED subsets of ORIGINAL African diversity. THe originals have more built-in diversity than the limited sub-set populations. This is straight science as noted by the quote from TIshkoff 2000.
Nor are Africans the only tropical peoples who can produce reddish hair or blond hair. Among Australian Aborigines, some tropical groups produce 100% of individuals with blond hair. Melanesians can also produce blond or reddish hair, and do so routinely.
White people have no monopoly at all on that hair color. They merely show more of it, but even among whites, red hair for example is minor- occurring in less than 5% of the overall European populations, mostly in northern Europe.
So the claim that there are no tropical Africans with such variation is once again, proved fake. You made the claim.
THE FAKER EXPOSED: PART 4 ime and time again, you stand debunked and exposed for falsifying claims and references. Let's recap:
Originally posted by CASSIFAKedes::
quote: The source is Cavalli-Sforza's book on the Pygmies entitled 'African pygmies' (Academic Press, 1986).
This work shows that Negroids mutated from an ancestral pygmy population around 9,000 BC in West Africa. So the 'true' Black African today is a recent mutation. Caucasoids and Mongoloids predate them. [Wink] Negroids only migrated into other parts of Africa during the Bantu expansion or slightly earlier. Prior to them, Caucasoids inhabited North Africa and Bushmen (Capoids) to the south who were displaced by the Caucasoids from the Mediterranean around 12,000 BC.
^^A bogus reference. Why should anyone take your word for it given past bogus references? Quote where Cavalli-Sforza says these so-called "negroids" "mutated" from Pygmies. The burden of proof is on you, since you made the claim.
While you scurry to cover your tracks with yet more bogus claims, Cavali Sforza, in his well known The History and Geography of Human Genes, 1994 Cavalli-Sforza summarizes his 1986 work on Pygmies and specifically debunks the "Pygmy as ancestor" theory held by other older writings. QUOTE:
"It remains difficult to pinpoint an ancient place of origin for the Negroid type which includes all West, Central and South Africans. Contrary to many earlier opinions, modern Pygmies and Khosians are not good candidates for a proto-African population."
--Cavalli Sforza et al, 1994. The history and geography of human genes. 194
SO much for your lying claims of "mutations" from "Pygymy" ancestors. In short, you lied about Cavalli-Sforza, creating a falsified claim and a bogus "supporting" reference to a claim that is nowhere supported in his work. You are once again exposed as yet another racist faker You are not fooling anyone.
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THE FAKER EXPOSED-PART 3- YOu then tried to cover up your lie with even more bogus nformation and STILL fail
You "modified" your Cavalli Sforza claim by including page numbers, and then changing some wording to "adaptive radiation" hoping to divert attention from your exposure.. lmao..
However pages 361-362 of Cavalli Sforza's 1986 book says absolutely nothing about any Negroes "mutating" from pygmies, nor any "adaptive radiation." It merely discusses Pygmy history and geography. You picked out a page at random, not knowing it can be verified via Google Books. You were asked to provide a direct quote but are still running. Now why is that?
""It remains difficult to pinpoint an ancient place of origin for the Negroid type which includes all West, Central and South Africans. Contrary to many earlier opinions, modern Pygmies and Khosians are not good candidates for a proto-African population."
--Cavalli Sforza et al, 1994. The history and geography of human genes. 194
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THE FAKER EXPOSED- PART 2 And Your pathetic "modification" STILL turned out to be bogus. You then said:
"True" Black Africans appear as a recent adaptive radiation apparently branching off from an ancestral Pygmy population — a line of ancestry also indicated by osteological data (Coon 1962:651-656; Watson et al. 1996).
^^But in fact, Watson 1996 has nothing to do with osteological data and does not even mention it. It has to do with mtDNA.
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THE FAKER EXPOSED- PART 1C YOU THEN PROFFERED ANOTHER FAKE CLAIM BELOW: He says:
quote: "Note that in the Old Testament the Danites are the only Hebrew people described as being maritime and associated with ships.."
^^Complete Nonsense. In the Old Testament, the tribe of Zebulun is mentioned as specifically associated with ships and maritime elements. QUOTE:
Genesis 49:13 "Zebulun will dwell at the shore of the seas; Yea, he will be at the shore of the ships, And his side toucheth upon Sidon. "
Cassi-Fakdes: MULTIPLE TIMES AT BAT, MULTIPLE EXPOSURES AS A FAKE...
--fake claim that no Australian Abo over 20 is blonde
-- fake claim that NO tropical Africans have any diversity in hair, skin or eye color
-- fake Cavalli-Sforza citation
-- 2nd fake Cavalli-Sforza reference
-- Faked Watson reference
-- Faked Biblical reference
-- FAke representation of Peter Frost's work
-- Fake claim that "studies" say "egyptians were dark are not like 'light-skinned Europeans". COnveniently, the alleged study is missing..
--Fake Higgins claims
--Fake claim that Guiseppe Sergi's EurAfrican race concept is negro-free
--Fake claim that Vanessa Williams has no black ancestry but is "white and Indian"
--Fake claim that Egyptologists like Yurco consider the Egyptians "Caucasoid"
--Fake claim of white Nordic Egyptian royalty
--Fake claim of "blond" Hetepheres
--Fake claim of white males in BRitain "unable to get jobs"
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quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: I found a photo of zaharan -
LOL. Do you think cro-magnons looked like this?
I think they look extinct which is actually all that's really relevant to this game. The "purest" of European lineages are already gone.
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
quote:This is a thread where you can describe the civilizations and contributions of "true Caucasoids
Caucasoid Civilizations -
Egypt Greece Rome Sumeria Babylonia Indus Valley
You can't just list examples. You need to prove the genetic purity of a true blanco civilization and you need to prove no significant influences from other groups. If you refuse to do this, you lose. I doubt you'll get far with the Meds, eastern, or Near Eastern civilizations though.
In the meantime have fun
Note: People who also want to play "True Blanco" but do not side with Cassi can always fight on the opposing side by showing haplogroups and other genetic information for example, in older populations which show significant admixture around the time of, if not earlier than the civilization's existence if possible. But again, even if you cannot prove it, the burden is still on Cassi to show their purity of these civilizations... otherwise he still will lose. Anyway I believe this was already done for Greece. If someone would like to post the information on that, that'd knock Greece off Cassi's list up there easily. Egypt shouldn't be too hard to knock off either.
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Look at the classical record. The only blacks in these civilizations were slaves.
So how could there be a ''significant influece'' from blacks?
Blacks never entered europe or asia by themselves, they were taken there as captives and forced to be slaves.
This is a thread of failure. What you haven't grasped is that unlike whites, the negro was very late to come into history. They only appear in the classical record as slaves when whites brought them to europe. Its why blacks today have a huge inferiority complex.
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quote:Note: People who also want to play "True Blanco" but do not side with Cassi can always fight on the opposing side by showing haplogroups and other genetic information for example, in older populations which show significant admixture around the time of, if not earlier than the civilization's existence if possible.
You don't even need to look at haplogroup studies, you only have to look at the classical records and historical migration.
Blacks only entered northern europe as late as the 17th century. The first appearance of a negro in Britain is as late as the 18th century.
So would you like to exactly explain how blacks had an influence on europe etc when they appear in literature so late?
Where the hell is the evidence of blacks in europe from prehistoric or ancient times (except a few slaves in greece or rome)?
Please do enlighten us.
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quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: Look at the classical record. The only blacks in these civilizations were slaves.
If you want to make a relevant citation of the historical record place it here please. Though apparently, geneticists have noted that the pre classical Greeks had AfroAsiatic lineages. Rasol posted this on the subject:
Journal of Human Evolution (1972) 1, 307 - 313 "...one can identify NEGROID traits of nose and prognathism appearing in natufian hunters (McCown, 1939) and in Anatolian and MACEDONIAN first farmers (Angel, 1972 - The People of Lerna: Analysis of a Prehistoric Aegean Population), probably FROM NUBIA.
Feel free to comment. I'll be looking for more studies through the site though anyone can make it easier by posting them here.
quote:So how could there be a ''significant influece'' from blacks?
For now show just show that they were not a mixed people.
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quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: I found a photo of zaharan -
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1). Perhaps you aren't aware of this, but the figure above is of central African descent not Northeast African.
2). There are far more degrading depictions of Asiatics (80%) being captured then those from southcentral Africa (Nuba).
This image is in a temple in the South of Egypt where it borders close to Sudan. The place known as Nubia. The people of Nubia have remained the same as the ancestry. And it's a proven peer reviewed scientific fact, that these are the closest to the ancient Egyptians.
This is also the place where Egypt started to emerge from the Sahara desert. Its also the place where Afrasian started to emerege and more.
All this at a time when Eurasia/ Caucasus was extremely cold due the ice age. And produced individuals who were cold adapted.
Anyway, you haven't been able to provide any evidence to your claims, mere distractions and avoidance to the OP's request.
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If you can't prove a European lineage using genetics that has no significant mixture with the East and Africa Egypt cannot count as a true blanco civilization. Stop trying to again divert the thread into an "Egypt isn't black" thread and get back on topic. Prove it was a true blanco civilization. Hell prove ANYTHING on your list as one.
Are you trying to deflect the possible...reality that no "true blanco" civilization exists or did not require assistance from mixed African/Asian/American civilizations or? Answer the question or else you're in the same boat as those "true negros" you go on and on about and have no room to talk. You're going to have more than likely a hard enough time getting past the fact that the purest of European lineages are already extinct.
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paleo-osteology has proven those civilizations i have listed are caucasoid. All skeletal remains from those civilizations are Caucasoids from their earliest stages. We also have literary, artistic and other anthropological evidences that they were all Caucasoid.
All the evidences show they are Caucasoid, a fact proven and accepted by academia for a very long time. The burden of proof is up to you since you are challenging orthodox scholarship.
If you want skeletal studies on the Sumerians i can provide you sources. No Sumerian remains have ever shown any Mongoloid or Negroid affinity, they are Caucasoid from the earliest strata (Ubaid 1).
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This is once again relying purely on stereotypical features that could be mixed or of another "race." Do you have any genetic evidence to demonstrate no significant admixture and please if possible provide a link of your source so it can be reviewed.
The Greeks are for example largely composed of AfroAsiatic lineage and you've referred to them as Caucasoid. IIRC you have called African Americans "Caucasoids" too and at the same time have acknowledged most are not of a purely African or European lineage. You saying they are Caucasoid in appearance doesn't change that they when evaluating their genetics prove them to be mixed. If blacks cannot claim a civilization because there is mixture of other groups you cannot either even if you want to spout off how something looks. That's why I didn't post Rasol's link of saying that the Greeks looked "Negroid" only. Rasol also provided information that produces probable cause to consider that they are mixed through their genetics. IIRC the study he linked also covers Italy which may produce probable cause in considering that Rome was mixed too.
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quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: a white ancient egyptian:
and this is how egyptians depicted blacks:
lol you have nothing to refute what I and others have posted. Nor can you put in solid back up on what the thread creator Oshun has requested. So now you run for the question.
And no, that is not how the ancient Egyptians portrayed blacks, they were black themselves and tropical adapted people from the Sahara and Sahel.
However, they dipicted a south central African.
This is what you can't understand due to your low intelligence.
As I wrote in the previous post, the majority of reliefs show not south central Africans, but Asiatics as captives.
And there is not such thing as a "white" Egyptian. This is all in your diluted world of Eurocentric fantasies.
You are such a nut-job. lol
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King Ahmose I (Aahmes I) brother/husband to Ahmose-Nefertari,
lol
Harris and Wente note the prevalence of dental prognathism among Nubians. Often this is combined with malocclusion. Similar incidence can be found in other African peoples. For example, one study found that a sample taken from the Kenya showed 61.3% of Maasai had diastema; 84% of Kikuyu had overbite and 99% had overjet; and 24% of Kalenjin had anterior open bite. (J. Hassanali, GP Pokhariyal, "Anterior tooth relations in Kenyan Africans, Archives of Oral Biology 38 [Apr 1993] 337-42). Although these dental traits can often be acquired through habits like thumb-sucking, as noted by Harris and Wente, the high frequency in the royal mummies indicates a genetic origin as found in Africans.--P.K. Manansala
"The predominant craniometric pattern in the Abydos royal tombs is 'southern' (tropical African variant), and this is consistent with what would be expected based on the literature and other results... the Nagada and Kerma series are so similar that they were barely distinguishable in the territorial maps... they subsume the first dynasty series from Abydos." S.O.Y. Keita, Studies of Ancient Crania From Northern Africa
"His (Sekenenra Tao) entire facial complex, in fact, is so different from other pharaohs (it is closest in fact to his son Ahmose) that he could be fitted more easily into the series of Nubian and Old Kingdom Giza skulls than into that of later Egyptian kings. Various scholars in the past have proposed a Nubian- that is, non-Egyptian-origin for Sequenre and his family, and his facial features suggest that this might indeed be true." James Harris & Edward Wente, X-ray Atlas of the Royal Mummies
The nubian mesolithic: A consideration of the Wadi Halfa remains
References and further reading may be available for this article. To view references and further reading you must purchase this article.
Meredith F. Small* et al.
Morphological variation of the skeletal remains of ancient Nubia has been traditionally explained as a product of multiple migrations into the Nile Valley.
In contrast, various researchers have noted a continuity in craniofacial variation from Mesolithic through Neolithic times.
This apparent continuity could be explained by in situ cultural evolution producing shifts in selective pressures which may act on teeth, the facial complex, and the cranial vault.
A series of 13 Mesolithic skulls from Wadi Halfa, Sudan, are compared to Nubian Neolithic remains by means of extended canonical analysis.
Results support recent research which suggests consistent trends of facial reduction and cranial vault expansion from Mesolithic through Neolithic times.
*** Now, let's wait for the castrated one to dispute and refute the true blanco hypothesis. As was propelled by Oshun.Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010
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