''Most of those who identify themselves as Ainu still live in this same region, though the exact number of living Ainu is unknown. This is due to confusion over mixed heritages and to ethnic issues in Japan resulting in those with Ainu backgrounds hiding their identities. In Japan, because of intermarriage over many years with Japanese, the concept of a pure Ainu ethnic group is no longer feasible''
Modern Ainu are mixed with Mongoloid. No one in Japan recognises a pure Ainu ethnic group.
1) They aren't from the caucasus region!
2) I don't care about your wiki-waki pedia vs Japanese sources.lol
3) They are the descendants of Ainu. And I am not interested in your opinion as I wrote before. Point blank! Go tell them about your opinionated colonial mindset.
The majority of Ainu remain in Hokkaido — a 2006 government survey put their numbers on Japan’s northern island at 23,782 — and estimates in greater Tokyo range from 2,500 to 10,000. The true figure, however, could be much higher, as many Ainu lack the self-assurance to acknowledge their identity.
At the Hokkaido Ainu Convention in Shizunai, Hokkaido, in 1946, the Hokkaido Ainu Association was established primarily to provide higher education and collaborate in the construction of social welfare facilities. In 1961, the association changed its name to the Hokkaido Utari Association. The association is actively engaged tackling in various problems regarding the Ainu. In 1984, the Hokkaido Utari Association resolved that the Government should enact the New Ainu Law (tentative name), a new law which replaces the current "Hokkaido Aborigine Protection Act." Since then, the association has been conducting an active campaign to demand that the national government enact the New Ainu Law as soon as possible. Furthermore, these days, various activities are being vigorously promoted to revive the Ainu language and to preserve and maintain Ainu culture, such as traditional dancing and various ceremonies. Ainu language classes are being held in various parts of Hokkaido. Moreover, associations to preserve traditional dancing have been organized to revive and conduct ceremonies such as iyomante and chipsanke.
Ainu who lived in Hokkaido, the Kurile Islands and Sakhalin were called "Hokkaido Ainu", "Kurile Ainu" and "Sakhalin Ainu"respectively. Most Ainu now live in Hokkaido. It has been confirmed that a few Ainu people now live in Sakhalin.
The Saisiyat tribe of Hsinchu and Miaoli will perform a solemn rite this weekend to commemorate a race of people that they exterminated
Drinking, singing and dancing are expected to take place deep in the mountains of Miaoli and Hsinchu when the "Ritual of the Little Black People" (矮靈祭) is performed by the Saisiyat tribe once again this weekend.
For the past 100 years or so, the Saisiyat tribe (賽夏族) has performed the songs and rites of the festival to bring good harvests, ward off bad luck and keep alive the spirit of a race of people who are said to have preceded all others in Taiwan.
In fact, the short, black men the festival celebrates are one of the most ancient types of modern humans on this planet and their kin still survive in Asia today. They are said to be diminutive Africoids and are variously called Pygmies, Negritos and Aeta. They are found in the Philippines, northern Malaysia, Thailand, Sumatra in Indonesia and other places.
Chinese historians called them "black dwarfs" in the Three Kingdoms period (AD 220 to AD 280) and they were still to be found in China during the Qing dynasty (1644 to 1911). In Taiwan they were called the "Little Black People" and, apart from being diminutive, they were also said to be broad-nosed and dark-skinned with curly hair.
After the Little Black People -- and well before waves of Han migrations after 1600 -- came the Aboriginal tribes, who are part of the Austronesian race. They are thought to have come from the Malay Archipelago 6,000 years ago at the earliest and around 1,000 years ago at the latest, though theories on Aborigine migration to Taiwan are still hotly debated. Gradually the Little Black People became scarcer, until a point about 100 years ago, when there was just a small group living near the Saisiyat tribe.
The story goes that the Little Black People taught the Saisiyat to farm by providing seeds and they used to party together. But one day, the Little Black People sexually harassed some Aboriginal women. So, the Saisiyat took revenge and killed them off by cutting a bridge over which they were all crossing. Just two Little Black People survived. Before departing eastward, they taught the Saisiyat about their culture and passed down some of their songs, saying if they did not remember their people they would be cursed and their crops would fail.
The Saisiyat kept their promise and have held the Ritual of the Little Black People every year, though they scaled down the ceremonies during the Japanese colonial period (1895 to 1945). Now the ritual is held every two years on the 10th full moon of the lunar calendar, with a big festival once every 10 years. At this time, the Saisiyat are not supposed to fight and they congregate in their ancestral areas of Miaoli and Hsinchu, in the mountains.
"I've seen it written of as a celebration, but to me it seemed quite a mournful affair, especially in the way the music came across, which was trancelike, a haunting kind of chant with a series of 10 to 15 songs," said long-term Taiwan resident Lynn Miles, who has been to the ritual three times and will be going again this year.
"There's nothing else quite like it in its tone and in its mood. I've been to other festivals but this is non-stop."
Miles said the dances were not set pieces but usually involved holding hands and moving around in a circle, chanting, with those who know the songs doing most of the singing and a shaman figure keeping order.
A spokeswoman at the Council of Indigenous Peoples (under the Executive Yuan) said that those who have "unclean thoughts" have their souls snatched by the spirits of the Little Black People and will pass out until the shaman revives them.
Miles said the shaman seemed to serve a public-order function by chasing off those who were too drunk or out of order.
The ceremonies are held in two places. The ritual began yesterday in Nanchuang Township, Miaoli County, and will carry on there until Monday. Rituals start today in Wufeng Township, Hsinchu County, and will last through tomorrow.
Getting there:
To Wufeng:
Route 122 to Wufeng can be accessed off No. 1 Highway near Toufen.
To Nanchuang:
Take western No. 1 Highway. Near Toufen, take Route 124 toward Sanwan to Nanchuang. Shuttle buses will take visitors to the ritual site at Xiangtian Lake.
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ I hate to agree with the Pyramidiot, but in this instance he is right-- there are no more "pure" Ainu in Japan to speak of. Major efforts to assimilate the Ainu were in place since the Meiji Era (1868–1912) and even before then, much of the Ainu community which wasn't assimilated was already pushed further north in the most rural and peripheral parts of Japan.
By the way, what the hell doe the Ainu have to do with the topic which is about the Solutreans?? If you guys want to debunk the castrated one, then you need to focus on the Solutrean hypothesis.
Do you agree the Ainu are quasi-Caucasoid?
That debate started, as Ironlion and the other afronuts above are saying the early Ainu looked ''black''. The reality is though the exact opposite. The early Ainu were closest in phenotype to Caucasoids. There is nothing black about them.
You already know that they have a common ancestry with the Black people of the Andaman Islands. It really doesn't matter what they look like there is no genetic connectiong between them and you.
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ I hate to agree with the Pyramidiot, but in this instance he is right-- there are no more "pure" Ainu in Japan to speak of. Major efforts to assimilate the Ainu were in place since the Meiji Era (1868–1912) and even before then, much of the Ainu community which wasn't assimilated was already pushed further north in the most rural and peripheral parts of Japan.
By the way, what the hell doe the Ainu have to do with the topic which is about the Solutreans?? If you guys want to debunk the castrated one, then you need to focus on the Solutrean hypothesis.
Do you agree the Ainu are quasi-Caucasoid?
That debate started, as Ironlion and the other afronuts above are saying the early Ainu looked ''black''. The reality is though the exact opposite. The early Ainu were closest in phenotype to Caucasoids. There is nothing black about them.
You already know that they have a common ancestry with the Black people of the Andaman Islands. It really doesn't matter what they look like there is no genetic connectiong between them and you.
Ainu have zero connection to Negrito. You are clueless. They cluster with Mongoloids (see Cavalli-Sforza, 1994). However the ancient Ainu were quasi-Caucasoid, not Mongoloid. As has been pointed out modern Ainu are heavily admixed with Mongoloid peoples, so of course they are going to cluster specifically with them.
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A clear admission you know nothing about anthropology...
Caucasoid does not mean strickly from the Caucasus region, the same way Australoid does not mean strickly from Australia and Mongoloid does not mean strickly from Mongolia.
These anthropological racial terms are not literal, but archetypal.
Please learn the basics.
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A clear admission you know nothing about anthropology...
Caucasoid does not mean strickly from the Caucasus region, the same way Australoid does not mean strickly from Australia and Mongoloid does not mean strickly from Mongolia.
These anthropological racial terms are not literal, but archetypal.
Please learn the basics.
Your fantasies are running wild now.
They have nothing to do with the Caucasus.
Do yourself a favor and stop embarrassing yourself like this.
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quote:Originally posted by Confirming Idiocy: No longer can the Native American Indian use the "We were here first" argument. This is no longer stolen land. The White man was here first. Sorry!
In nowhere is there hard evidence that the archaeological findings were the result of Europeans. Another case of white supremies leaping before they look.
This reminds me of the whole Kennewick Man incident. The Euronuts were dismissed there. When will they ever learn?
Kennewick Man is Ainu, quasi-Caucasoid. Not European, but still closest to Caucasoid nonetheless.
Either you are new or just an idiot.
Closest common ancestor for the Ainu are the people of the Andaman Islands:
It is called convergent evolution. You cannot use oids to determine common ancestry in a global sense. There is absolutly no genetic connection between the Ainu and any groups of people considered Caucasian.
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Genetic testing has shown that the Ainu belong mainly to Y-haplogroup D2. Y-DNA haplogroup D2 is found frequently throughout the Japanese Archipelago including Okinawa. The only places outside of Japan in which Y-haplogroup D is common are Tibet and the Andaman Islands in the Indian Ocean. Tibet happens to also be the only place to have haplogroup DE* show up. Effectively this means that the Ainu and the people of Okinawa are directly derived from Negrito people.
Climate and diet - that is what makes us different.
Cosign!
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quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidiot: Do you agree the Ainu are quasi-Caucasoid?
No, because there is no such thing as "Caca-soid". Such racial terms are debunked and have no scientific value, but of course you deny otherwise.
Do you consider this Eurasian boy below quasi-Negroid?
quote:That debate started, as Ironlion and the other afronuts above are saying the early Ainu looked ''black''. The reality is though the exact opposite. The early Ainu were closest in phenotype to Caucasoids. There is nothing black about them.
Yes, well Ironlion is no less nutty than YOU are! He, Mike, and Marc Washington are no more than the black version of YOU-- a pathetic low self-esteem loser who wants to white-wash the world the same way the aforementioned losers want to black-paint it. Posts: 26307 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidiot: Do you agree the Ainu are quasi-Caucasoid?
No, because there is no such thing as "Caca-soid". Such racial terms are debunked and have no scientific value, but of course you deny otherwise.
Do you consider this Eurasian boy below quasi-Negroid?
quote:That debate started, as Ironlion and the other afronuts above are saying the early Ainu looked ''black''. The reality is though the exact opposite. The early Ainu were closest in phenotype to Caucasoids. There is nothing black about them.
Yes, well Ironlion is no less nutty than YOU are! He, Mike, and Marc Washington are no more than the black version of YOU-- a pathetic low self-esteem loser who wants to white-wash the world the same way the aforementioned losers want to black-paint it.
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ I hate to agree with the Pyramidiot, but in this instance he is right-- there are no more "pure" Ainu in Japan to speak of. Major efforts to assimilate the Ainu were in place since the Meiji Era (1868–1912) and even before then, much of the Ainu community which wasn't assimilated was already pushed further north in the most rural and peripheral parts of Japan.
By the way, what the hell doe the Ainu have to do with the topic which is about the Solutreans?? If you guys want to debunk the castrated one, then you need to focus on the Solutrean hypothesis.
Do you agree the Ainu are quasi-Caucasoid?
That debate started, as Ironlion and the other afronuts above are saying the early Ainu looked ''black''. The reality is though the exact opposite. The early Ainu were closest in phenotype to Caucasoids. There is nothing black about them.
You already know that they have a common ancestry with the Black people of the Andaman Islands. It really doesn't matter what they look like there is no genetic connectiong between them and you.
Ainu have zero connection to Negrito. You are clueless. They cluster with Mongoloids (see Cavalli-Sforza, 1994). However the ancient Ainu were quasi-Caucasoid, not Mongoloid. As has been pointed out modern Ainu are heavily admixed with Mongoloid peoples, so of course they are going to cluster specifically with them.
The Ainu are related to a wave of Out of Africa population that became the people of Papua New Guinea. They are haplogroup D. The only places outside of Japan in which Y-haplogroup D is common are Tibet and the Andaman Islands in the Indian Ocean.
Looks are deceiving. They may look Caucasian but they are a mixture of Mongoloid and a Afro-Asian people. Its called adaptation.
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