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^You may be wasting your time, Little tiny minds can only absorb but so much. Note the mindless, evidence-less conversations on other threads. Even when informed that there is no basis for their thinking - except Albino conditioning - they still persist with it. Kinda like Zombies really.
Don't know what to say about Doxie, reality be damned I guess.
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quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: I agree, was it a ship wreck or exploration? So little is known on the East African involvement in the Indian Sea trade despite going back to Roman/Greek times.
TBH this subject matter is facinating, first we learn about the Siddis and folks like Malik Ambar who controlled parts of India, and now Africans going as far as Australia for Trade and Exploration.
I recall on Topix a racist who kept going on about Africans not being able to colonize Madagascar first when Indonesians were,(come to think of it It might have been Rahotep) as if Africans were idly sitting around looking at the sea like bumbling fools. This is good hard evidence of how far African Trade networks went.
quote:Originally posted by Swenet: This ranks right up there with finds of tobacco and cocaine in Ancient Egyptian mummies--both are probably accurate, but don't know what to make of it.
You are wrong about the absence of evidence. There is plenty of evidence out there on this issue and others you just have to go out their and get it.
For example, to conduct my research in ancient Black history I had to learn numerous languages. To research ancient history you need knowledge of foriegn languages. The first Afro-American researchers to write about the Egyptians being Black because they could read and write Latin and Greek.
Luckily, when I went I went to University of Illinois already had learned French in High School, and I picked up Arabic from the Moorish Scientists that had a temple on 47th street in Chicago when I was growing up.
I had to learn many different languages to research Black history. At U-Ill I refined my knowledge of Arabic and I studied Swahilli.
At first it was easy to conduct the research because the French published much truth about ancient Black history. Once I got a lead on an historical issue all I had to do was get the original text written in that particular language where it existed and translate it myself into Ehglish. This is why no real scholars ever attack my work, only none academics, which don't fear being show to be living in a dream-world manufactured by their acceptance of a white supremist, Eurocentric history.
Other languages like, Malinke-Bambara, Mayan, Chinese, Elamite, Sumerian and Tamil, to name a few, I bought records, dictionaries and tapes so I could obtain a reading knowledge of the languages. This allowed me to read original text and find out the truth about ancient Black History. This is why I have been able to write about the African Empires in America and Blacks in ancient Asia.
You , like most people are waiting for a European to teach you your history. Due to white supremist ideas you really believe white is right and black get back. They know you have been conditioned to wait for their ok of an historical event before you accept it as "true".
quote:REMEMBER when you were taught that Australia was discovered by James Cook in 1770 who promptly declared it "terra nullius" and claimed it for the British throne? Turns out that could be completely and utterly wrong.
Five copper coins and a nearly 70-year-old map with an "X" might lead to a discovery that could rewrite Australia's history. Australian scientist Ian McIntosh, currently Professor of Anthropology at Indiana University in the US, is planning an expedition in July that has stirred up the archaeological community. The scientist wants to revisit the location where five coins were found in the Northern Territory in 1944 that have proven to be 1000 years old, opening up the possibility that seafarers from distant countries might have landed in Australia much earlier than what is currently believed. Back in 1944 during World War II, after Japanese bombers had attacked Darwin two years earlier, the Wessel Islands - an uninhabited group of islands off Australia's north coast - had become a strategic position to help protect the mainland. Australian soldier Maurie Isenberg was stationed on one of the islands to man a radar station and spent his spare time fishing on the idyllic beaches. While sitting in the sand with his fishing-rod, he discovered a handful of coins in the sand. He didn't have a clue where they could come from but pocketed them anyway and later placed them in a tin. In 1979 he rediscovered his "treasure" and decided to send the coins to a museum to get them identified. The coins proved to be 1000 years old. Still not fully realising what treasure he held in his hands, he marked an old colleague's map with an "X" to remember where he had found them. The discovery was apparently forgotten again until anthropologist McIntosh got the ball rolling a few months ago. The coins raise many important questions: For a start, if James Cook wasn't the first person to discover Australia, who was?
How did 1000-year-old coins end up on a remote beach on an island off the northern coast of Australia? Did explorers from distant lands arrive on Australian shores way before the James Cook declared it "terra nullius" and claimed it for the British throne in 1770? We do know already that Captain Cook wasn't the first white seafarer to step on Australia's shores. In 1606 a Dutch explorer named Willem Janszoon reached the Cape York peninsula in Queensland, closely followed a few years late by another Dutch seafarer Dirk Hartog. And the Spaniard Luiz Vaez de Torres discovered the strait between Papua New Guinea and Australia, which was later named Torres Strait in his honour. However, none of these explorers recognised that they had discovered the famed southern continent, the "terra australis incognita", which was depicted as a counterweight to the known land masses of the northern hemisphere on many world maps of the day. McIntosh and his team of Australian and American historians, archaeologists, geomorphologists and Aboriginal rangers say that the five coins date back to the 900s to 1300s. They are African coins from the former Kilwa sultanate, now a World Heritage ruin on an island off Tanzania. Kilwa once was a flourishing trade port with links to India in the 13th to 16th century. The trade with gold, silver, pearls, perfumes, Arabian stone ware, Persian ceramics and Chinese porcelain made the city one of the most influential towns in East Africa at the time. The copper coins were the first coins ever produced in sub-Saharan Africa and according to McIntosh have only twice been found outside Africa: once in Oman and Isenberg's find in 1944. The old coins might not be of monetary value, but for archaeologists they are priceless, says McIntosh. Archaeologists have long suspected that there may have been early maritime trading routes that linked East Africa, Arabia, India and the Spice Islands even 1,000 years ago. Or the coins could've washed ashore after a shipwreck. When Isenberg discovered the copper coins he also found four coins that originated from the Dutch East India Company - with one dating back to 1690 raising memories of those early Dutch seafarers that stepped on Australian shores well before Cook. McIntosh wants to answer some of these mysteries during his planned expedition to the Wessel Islands in July. And it's not only about revisiting the beach that was marked with an "X" on Isenberg's map. He will also be looking for a secret cave Aboriginal legends talk about. This cave is supposed to be close to the beach where Isenberg once found the coins and is said to be filled with doubloons and weaponry of an ancient era. Should McIntosh and his team find what they are looking for, the find might not only be priceless treasure, but relics that could rewrite Australian history.
Sup everybody (M.I.A. but never really left)!
Now THIS is news!!
I'm surprised by the discovery but not surprised by its implications (that East Africans controlled and navigated much of the seas in the middle ages). Good find. Just don't expect any wide coverage of this as I'm sure it will disappoint a lot of people.
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Clyde Winters is right the knowledge of many foreign languages are the keys to learn ancient history.African historian rediscovered their lost history by comparing names and words in their languages with ancient Egyptian, European, Asian and American names and words.African lost their history because invaders burned their libraries, killed their priests-historian and force them to migrate inside Africa.
African languages that are very important for historian to learn are Mande, Ibo, Kongo and Ngala.The Mande people created civilisation in four continents.The Ibo were elite Egyptian and the Kongo and Ngala lived in West Asia.
quote:Originally posted by mena7: Clyde Winters is right the knowledge of many foreign languages are the keys to learn ancient history.African historian rediscovered their lost history by comparing names and words in their languages with ancient Egyptian, European, Asian and American names and words.African lost their history because invaders burned their libraries, killed their priests-historian and force them to migrate inside Africa.
African languages that are very important for historian to learn are Mande, Ibo, Kongo and Ngala.The Mande people created civilisation in four continents.The Ibo were elite Egyptian and the Kongo and Ngala lived in West Asia.
Akan and Swahili, in addition to Bantu generally are good languages to know. The study of Swahili could help people understand the role of the Swahili, and their coins in Indian Ocean trade; and the impact of these people in ancient Egypt.
Just knowing about genetics is not enough. Genetics research is based mainly on statistics to hypothesize population movements, unless scientists are looking at ancient DNA. And as you have probably read on this forum the study of ancient DNA usually proves that the people presently living in an area, were not its original inhabitants.
Moreover, population genetics has to be supported by archaeological and linguistic evidence since the statistics can not be totally accepted without collaborative evidence from other sciences.
quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: I agree, was it a ship wreck or exploration? So little is known on the East African involvement in the Indian Sea trade despite going back to Roman/Greek times.
TBH this subject matter is facinating, first we learn about the Siddis and folks like Malik Ambar who controlled parts of India, and now Africans going as far as Australia for Trade and Exploration.
I recall on Topix a racist who kept going on about Africans not being able to colonize Madagascar first when Indonesians were,(come to think of it It might have been Rahotep) as if Africans were idly sitting around looking at the sea like bumbling fools. This is good hard evidence of how far African Trade networks went.
quote:Originally posted by Swenet: This ranks right up there with finds of tobacco and cocaine in Ancient Egyptian mummies--both are probably accurate, but don't know what to make of it.
You are wrong about the absence of evidence. There is plenty of evidence out there on this issue and others you just have to go out their and get it.
For example, to conduct my research in ancient Black history I had to learn numerous languages. To research ancient history you need knowledge of foriegn languages. The first Afro-American researchers to write about the Egyptians being Black because they could read and write Latin and Greek.
Luckily, when I went I went to University of Illinois already had learned French in High School, and I picked up Arabic from the Moorish Scientists that had a temple on 47th street in Chicago when I was growing up.
I had to learn many different languages to research Black history. At U-Ill I refined my knowledge of Arabic and I studied Swahilli.
At first it was easy to conduct the research because the French published much truth about ancient Black history. Once I got a lead on an historical issue all I had to do was get the original text written in that particular language where it existed and translate it myself into Ehglish. This is why no real scholars ever attack my work, only none academics, which don't fear being show to be living in a dream-world manufactured by their acceptance of a white supremist, Eurocentric history.
Other languages like, Malinke-Bambara, Mayan, Chinese, Elamite, Sumerian and Tamil, to name a few, I bought records, dictionaries and tapes so I could obtain a reading knowledge of the languages. This allowed me to read original text and find out the truth about ancient Black History. This is why I have been able to write about the African Empires in America and Blacks in ancient Asia.
You , like most people are waiting for a European to teach you your history. Due to white supremist ideas you really believe white is right and black get back. They know you have been conditioned to wait for their ok of an historical event before you accept it as "true".
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Ashe, mon professeur, ashe!
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