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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ruc02B3tdc
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Nice video.The Youtube videos Olmec in North America by realhistoryww.com are great.Mike111 you need to create a page in the website with those new pictures.

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The history of the Maya needs to be re-written

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Check out the noses of these Blacks

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Last Aztec

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^^^^^^

Dr. Winters,

I wanted your opinion on a recent clip that I came across. I was going to start a topic with this particular video, but that may not be necessary.

Look at this particular 30 second video showing the "Painting of St. Mary of the Good Winds".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjCPPk-aTY8

This painting is said to be the first European depictions of Native Americans.

The Native Americans look JUST LIKE the Aztec Couple (with the afro like hair and everything).

What have they hidden from the world?!

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quote:
Originally posted by mena7:
Nice video.The Youtube videos Olmec in North America by realhistoryww.com are great.Mike111 you need to create a page in the website with those new pictures.

The pictures in the video are not authentic, they are copies.

http://www.realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Meso_America.htm


Maya Guerrero

http://www.realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Meso_additional/Guerrero.htm

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quote:
Originally posted by geeskee55:

Dr. Winters,

I wanted your opinion on a recent clip that I came across. I was going to start a topic with this particular video, but that may not be necessary.

Look at this particular 30 second video showing the "Painting of St. Mary of the Good Winds".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjCPPk-aTY8

This painting is said to be the first European depictions of Native Americans.

The Native Americans look JUST LIKE the Aztec Couple (with the afro like hair and everything).

What have they hidden from the world?!

Glad to see that you are analyzing artifacts instead of just believing what the Albinos say.

I noted in the comments section that many people noticed that Paleo-Americans looked just like us. Good work!

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^Just wondering;

Does my claim that the Albinos committed genocide against the native Blacks of America have greater traction now?

90 million of them are missing, blaming it on disease is B.S.

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^^^^

You won't have any arguments from me.

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Scholar should investigate the genocided of the black Native American male and the mass raped of Native American black women to create the mulato and mestiso race of today Latin America.

Nice picture of black Habsburg Holy Roman Emperor Charle V aka Carlos Quinto (V) in realhistory ww.com South America link.

The native American look black in the painting of st Mary of the Good winds but I want to see a good picture of that painting.

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quote:
Originally posted by geeskee55:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ruc02B3tdc

Good video it appears to show a variety of Black Native Americans. The interesting feature is the hair texture which corresponds to the African type, rather than hair associated with groups like the Maya.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
^Just wondering;

Does my claim that the Albinos committed genocide against the native Blacks of America have greater traction now?

90 million of them are missing, blaming it on disease is B.S.

As I noted earlier I believe your claim is correct. The picture of the last Aztec couple, and actual aztec artifacts and iconography make it clear we have been taught a lie about the conquest of Mexico. It was a race war pure and simple.

Our problem is that many Blacks, including posters here do not believe anything not first written by a European. As a result, they fight the truth and would rather have a "white" history of the world instead of a true history.

The ignorance and bias directed by most Blacks at Afros who write ancient history means that one conducting this type of research lacks support from the fake Afrocentric hustlers who have made a career "lecturing" about ancient Black history providing information accepted by any white person ( or Black legitimized by whites) who writes a book, article etc., while disparaging Afrocentric researchers who do original research that shows that most of what Europeans write about history is a lie.

I just wish I was younger so I could write part of this new history of the Mexican Conquest but I am only one person and I can only fight so many battles.

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He,he,he:

Got ya!

As should be expected, Albinos don't like to show pictures like that Altar painting because it shows "TOO" much. So they find ways to hide and obfuscate, but I tracked it down.

The name of the Alter painting is NOT "St. Mary of the good winds".

It IS known as....

The Virgin of the Navigators, by Alejo Fernández, 1531–36, oil on panel.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Virgin_of_the_Navigators


Rick Steves page on the painting

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Two points here:

This picture is mirrored (the left and right have been swapped).

Interestingly "NO" Mongol type people (American Indians), are shown in the painting. But more than one type of Black are shown. We do not know "Who is Who", so we can only speculate by looking at the places that Columbus visited.

Between 1492 and 1504, Columbus made four voyages to the “New World.” The first voyage saw him in Cuba, Hispaniola (The Island of Haiti and the Dominican Republic), and San Salvador.

His second voyage he explored the same areas as the first trip but also touched on Purto Rico and Jamaica.

On the last two voyages he sailed along the northern coast of South America and explored the coast of Central America.


Here is a map showing the voyages.


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^Lioness, knowing how you love to post blow-ups of artifacts, why not blow-up and post pictures of those Black Americans so that we might examine them.
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^^^^^^^

EXCELLENT work

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The degenerate Albino at work. They conquered and moved onto lands that their pale skin did not allow them to work. Therefore they needed "Dark Skinned" people to do the work for them.

From Wiki:

San Salvador Island also known as Watlings Island, is an island and district of the Bahamas.

Columbus' records indicate that the native Lucayan inhabitants of the territory, who called their island Guanahani, were "sweet and gentle".

The Lucayans were part of a larger Taino community in the Greater Antilles. The Lucayans, along with the Tainos in Jamaica, most of Cuba and parts of western Hispaniola have been classified as part of a Sub-Taino.

Columbus thought the Lucayans resembled the Guanche of the Canary Islands (in part because they were intermediate in skin color between Europeans and Africans).

The Guanches:

An account of the Guanche population may have been made around 1150 CE by the Arab geographer Muhammad al-Idrisi in the Nuzhatul Mushtaq, a book he wrote for King Roger II of Sicily, in which al-Idrisi reports a journey in the Atlantic Ocean made by the Mugharrarin ("the adventurers"), a family of Andalusian seafarers from Lisbon, Portugal.

Quote: They reached another island where they were soon surrounded by barks and brought to "a village whose inhabitants were often fair haired with long and flaxen hair and the women of a rare beauty". Among the villagers, one did speak Arabic and asked them where they came from. Then the king of the village ordered them to bring them back to the continent where they were surprised to be welcomed by Berbers.

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The Lucayans were described as handsome, graceful, well-proportioned, gentle, generous and peaceful, and customarily going almost completely naked. Peter Martyr d'Anghiera said that the Lucayan women were so beautiful that men from "other countries" moved to the islands to be near them. Women past puberty wore a small skirt of cotton, and the men might wear a loincloth made of plaited leaves or cotton. Some people wore head bands, waist bands, feathers, bones and ear and nose jewelry on occasion. They were often tattooed and usually applied paint to their bodies and/or faces. They also practiced head flattening. Their hair was black and straight, (Albino Lie - for most their hair appears curly) and they kept it cut short except for a few hairs in back which were never cut. Columbus reported seeing scars on the bodies of some of the men, which were explained to him as resulting from attempts by men from other islands to capture them


Extinction

The Bahamas held little interest to the Spanish other than the Lucayans. Columbus seized several Lucayans on San Salvador and Santa María de la Concepción. Two managed to escape, but Columbus took some back to Spain at the end of his first voyage. Vespucci took 232 Lucayans to Spain as slaves in 1500. Spanish exploitation of the labor of the natives of Hispaniola rapidly reduced that population, leading the Governor of Hispaniola to complain to the Spanish crown. In 1509 Ferdinand II of Aragon ordered that Indians be imported from nearby islands to make up the population losses in Hispaniola, and the Spanish began capturing Lucayans in the Bahamas for use as laborers in Hispaniola. At first the Lucayans sold for no more than four gold pesos in Hispaniola, but when it was realized that the Lucayans were practiced at diving for conchs, the price rose to 100 to 150 gold pesos and the Lucayans were sent to the Isle of Cubagua as pearl divers. Within two years the southern Bahamas were largely depopulated. The Spanish may have carried away as many as 40,000 Lucayans by 1513. Carl O. Sauer described Ponce de León's 1513 expedition in which he "discovered" Florida as simply "an extension of slave hunting beyond the empty islands." When the Spanish decided to evacuate the remaining Lucayans to Hispaniola in 1520, they could find only eleven in all of the Bahamas. Thereafter the Bahamas remained uninhabited for 130 years.

Note how the Albinos and their Mulattoes depict the Lucayans.

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Ferdinand II of Aragon
and the Holy Roman emperor Charles V (cloaked in red),
are portrayed together
with Christopher Columbus

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quote:
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The degenerate Albino at work. They conquered and moved onto lands that their pale skin did not allow them to work. Therefore they needed "Dark Skinned" people to do the work for them.


Around the Virgin gather figures of indigenous peoples of the Americas, converted from their original faiths by the navigators who have set sail in her name: the painting "may be the fullest statement of the approved Spanish ideology, which might be called "the White Legend of Spain's Imperial Election".

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In 1519, the German states were added when Charles was elected Holy Roman Emperor, and in 1535 he acquired the Duchy of Milan. Across the Atlantic, Hernán Cortés conquered Mexico (1519-21) and Francisco Pizarro overcame the Incas of Peru (1532-33). Between 1519 and 1522 five Spanish ships, under the Portuguese captain Fernando Magellan, became the first to circumnavigate the globe.

Magellan was killed in the Philippines, and of the five ships only one --appropriately called the Victoria-- made it back to Spain.
It was a heady period as the Spanish empire –or more correctly the monarquía española--expanded, but it was a widely scattered conglomeration and the only link that held it together was Charles.

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Mike great job tracking the picture of the painting name The Virgin and the Navigators.White people show the picture at a bad angle in their video for a short period of time.They intentionaly misnamed the Picture St Mary of The Good Winds to make it difficult for people to find the painting.

The Native American in the Painting are black with wooly hair.The black Indian in the painting were pobably Taino that colombus met in the Carribean.The Taino indian migrated from Yucatan Mexico or Venezuela to the Carribean.Thats mean the Mexican and Venezuelian Indian were black.

The Indian from India are black and mulato.The European called the Native American Indian because they look like black and mulato people from India.Black Native American dissapeared because of the European genocided them and mass raped the black Indian women to create a mixed race.

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
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Ferdinand II of Aragon
and the Holy Roman emperor Charles V (cloaked in red),
are portrayed together
with Christopher Columbus

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He,he,he:

Lioness, I'm afraid that I can't find confirmation of your quote, or your identification of the Man in red as Emperor Charles V.


BUT EVEN WORST, YOUR QUERY CAUSED ME TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THE PAINTING AND CHECK THE IDENTITY OF OF THE PEOPLE PICTURED.....

APPARENTLY IT'S JUST ANOTHER FUCHING ALBINO FAKE!

YOU PEOPLE ARE SUCH LYING DEGENERATES!


The book here:

web page

Identifies the man in the Gold Cape as Columbus and the guy in the red cape as King Ferdinand you IDIOT!


But as we all know...

King Ferdinand of Spain was a mulatto.


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quote:
Originally posted by mena7:
Mike great job tracking the picture of the painting name The Virgin and the Navigators.White people show the picture at a bad angle in their video for a short period of time.They intentionaly misnamed the Picture St Mary of The Good Winds to make it difficult for people to find the painting.

The Native American in the Painting are black with wooly hair.The black Indian in the painting were pobably Taino that colombus met in the Carribean.The Taino indian migrated from Yucatan Mexico or Venezuela to the Carribean.Thats mean the Mexican and Venezuelian Indian were black.

The Indian from India are black and mulato.The European called the Native American Indian because they look like black and mulato people from India.Black Native American dissapeared because of the European genocided them and mass raped the black Indian women to create a mixed race.

I am very disappointed that the picture is just another fuching Albino fraud mena7.

Obviously the picture was NOT done shortly after Columbus death as the fuching Albinos claim. But rather, was probably done like the rest, only one or two hundred years ago.

That means that we CANNOT place any trust in the depiction of the Americans.

Fuching Albinos, what disgusting degenerate liars they are!

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^^^ stop trying to pass off white boys as mulatto
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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:
Originally posted by mena7:
Mike great job tracking the picture of the painting name The Virgin and the Navigators.White people show the picture at a bad angle in their video for a short period of time.They intentionaly misnamed the Picture St Mary of The Good Winds to make it difficult for people to find the painting.

The Native American in the Painting are black with wooly hair.The black Indian in the painting were pobably Taino that colombus met in the Carribean.The Taino indian migrated from Yucatan Mexico or Venezuela to the Carribean.Thats mean the Mexican and Venezuelian Indian were black.

The Indian from India are black and mulato.The European called the Native American Indian because they look like black and mulato people from India.Black Native American dissapeared because of the European genocided them and mass raped the black Indian women to create a mixed race.

I am very disappointed that the picture is just another fuching Albino fraud mena7.

Obviously the picture was NOT done shortly after Columbus death as the fuching Albinos claim. But rather, was probably done like the rest, only one or two hundred years ago.

That means that we CANNOT place any trust in the depiction of the Americans.

Fuching Albinos, what disgusting degenerate liars they are!

why are you having an emotional tantrum now, mena just gave the wooly hair break down,
are you disagreeing with mena's analysis?

mena, ignore Mike, he's having one of his fits

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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
[QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,:
[qb] .




Lioness, I'm afraid that I can't find confirmation of your quote, or your identification of the Man in red as Emperor Charles V.



It came from your source clown>

quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Virgin_of_the_Navigators



Alejo Fernandez' painting of the Virgen de los Mariantes shows the Virgin of the Navigators watching over Columbus and his first crewmen. Charles V stands behind the virgin and the first conquered American Indians ...

Costa Del Sol
By Sue Bryant

http://books.google.com/books?id=1rcD_UA_NcMC&pg=PA111&dq=%22Charles+V

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you got me on this Mike Charles V is the guy in the middle of Ferdinand II and Columbus (not the left) one point, Mike


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Alejo Fernández's La Virgen de los Navigantes (The Virgin of the Navigators) ... the alterpiece depicts the Virgin flanked by Emperor Charles V, King Ferdinand .


http://www.flahum.org/Localization/FHC_EN/Assets/GrantForms2013/PoncesGhost2013.pdf

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lol, Mike found out Charles V was in this painting and it ruined his plans, Now he's got to pretend it's fake

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^No point continuing on with this nonsense.

New World Encyclopedia puts it correctly:

Christopher Columbus is depicted here in his only state-sponsored, albeit non-authenticated, portrait, painted by Alejo Fernández between 1505 and 1536.

It's non-authenticated because it "CAN'T" be authenticated, it's just another fraud of you degenerate lying Albinos - fuch you for your pathological dishonesty.

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Christopher_Columbus

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^As to Charles V:

According to the wiki:

In 1550, Charles convened a conference at Valladolid in order to consider the morality of the force used against the indigenous populations of the New World, which included figures such as Bartolomé de las Casas.

Charles V is credited with the first idea of constructing an American Isthmus canal in Panama as early as 1520.

But more importantly, note this description of Charles V.

Charles suffered from an enlarged lower jaw, a deformity that became considerably worse in later Habsburg generations, giving rise to the term Habsburg jaw. This deformity was caused by the family's long history of inbreeding, which was commonly practiced in royal families of that era to maintain dynastic control of territory. He struggled to chew his food properly and consequently experienced bad indigestion for much of his life. As a result, he usually ate alone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Charles_V

By description, I pick the Black man.

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I turned out to be difficult to identify who is who


(painting detail in it's proper inversion)

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^ Columbus??_________________________________________________________Ferdinand II and Charles V (with hats)

It's an genuine state sponsored painting by Alejo Fernández "The Virgin of the Seafarers"
The figure at left has not been authenticated as being Christoper Columbus

Christopher Columbus: Oxford Bibliographies Online Research Guide
By Oxford University Pres

http://books.google.com/books?id=YDQ6OV9-82oC&pg=PA25&dq=Christopher+Columbus+Alejo+Fern

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CHARLES V

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quote:
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^As to Charles V:

According to the wiki:

In 1550, Charles convened a conference at Valladolid in order to consider the morality of the force used against the indigenous populations of the New World, which included figures such as Bartolomé de las Casas.

Charles V is credited with the first idea of constructing an American Isthmus canal in Panama as early as 1520.

But more importantly, note this description of Charles V.

Charles suffered from an enlarged lower jaw, a deformity that became considerably worse in later Habsburg generations, giving rise to the term Habsburg jaw. This deformity was caused by the family's long history of inbreeding, which was commonly practiced in royal families of that era to maintain dynastic control of territory. He struggled to chew his food properly and consequently experienced bad indigestion for much of his life. As a result, he usually ate alone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Charles_V

By description, I pick the Black man.

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Why would you pick a painting called Portrait of an African Man and based on
a description that has no indication that the man was black assume this is a painting of him, Charles V ??
Is it just a wish of yours?

In addition the fact that there are many other portaits and they do show his jaw deformity

-and this is the guy who first authorized the trans-Atlantic slave trade and colonization of the Americas?

This is who you want him to be? It seem traitorous to being black to suggest that.


There are experts who think that figure might be Christopher Columbus. You question it.
Yet you would suggest that a painting is Charles V with less evidence, none in fact

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