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there is possibly an error in that Websters edition, that bleek and bleach are not one word.
Online Etymology doesn't say that:
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black (adj.) Old English blæc "dark," from Proto-Germanic *blakaz "burned" (cf. Old Norse blakkr "dark," Old High German blah "black," Swedish bläck "ink," Dutch blaken "to burn"), from PIE *bhleg- "to burn, gleam, shine, flash" (cf. Greek phlegein "to burn, scorch," Latin flagrare "to blaze, glow, burn"), from root *bhel- (1) "to shine, flash, burn;" see bleach (v.).
The same root produced Old English blac "bright, shining, glittering, pale;" the connecting notions being, perhaps, "fire" (bright) and "burned" (dark). The usual Old English word for "black" was sweart (see swart). According to OED: "In ME. it is often doubtful whether blac, blak, blake, means 'black, dark,' or 'pale, colourless, wan, livid.' " Used of dark-skinned people in Old English.
Of coffee, first attested 1796. Meaning "fierce, terrible, wicked" is late 14c. The color of sin and sorrow since at least c.1300; sense of "with dark purposes, malignant" emerged 1580s (e.g. black magic). Black face in reference to a performance style originated in U.S., is from 1868. Black flag, flown (especially by pirates) as a signal of "no mercy," from 1590s. Black dog "melancholy" attested from 1826. Black belt is from 1875 in reference to districts of the U.S. South with heaviest African population; 1870 with reference to fertility of soil; 1913 in judo sense. Black power is from 1966, associated with Stokely Carmichael. black (v.) c.1200, "to become black;" early 14c., "to make black, darken;" from black (adj.). Related: Blacked; blacking. black (n.) Old English blæc "the color black," also "ink," from noun use of black (adj.). From late 14c. as "dark spot in the pupil of the eye." The meaning "black person, African" is from 1620s (perhaps late 13c., and blackamoor is from 1540s). To be in the black (1922) is from the accounting practice of recording credits and balances in black ink. For years it has been a common practice to use red ink instead of black in showing a loss or deficit on corporate books, but not until the heavy losses of 1921 did the contrast in colors come to have a widely understood meaning. ["Saturday Evening Post," July 22, 1922]
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Ironlion I read your great article on the etymology of the word black in the past at Rasta Live Wire.There is so much deception in world history that I think it was organised.Probably some European religious organisation worshiping some trickster secret society God created those deception.Black civilisation, black monarch and black people all over the world are turned white by European historian.Nation who use to be black for millenia mixed and become mulato.
In your article on black you showed that the word black mean pale.The variation of the world black like blanco in spanish, blanc in french and bleach in English mean white or pale.How can dark skin people be call black aka pale in the English language.In French the word black is noire.In Spanish the word black is negro or moreno.In Italian the word black is nero.
Maybe the English language is trying to tell us that white people are bleach black.It doesnt make sense.
Claudio Ptolemy s map of Mauritania includes all of West Africa.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: there is possibly an error in that Websters edition, that bleek and bleach are not one word.
Online Etymology doesn't say that:
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black (adj.)
According to OED: "In ME. it is often doubtful whether blac, blak, blake, means 'black, dark,' or 'pale, colourless, wan, livid.' " Used of dark-skinned people in Old English.
Haney
Did you read your post? If so, is your ass pale or brown? Would you call it blac from now?
Muurz to come...
Lion!
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: there is possibly an error in that Websters edition, that bleek and bleach are not one word.
Online Etymology doesn't say that:
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black (adj.)
According to OED: "In ME. it is often doubtful whether blac, blak, blake, means 'black, dark,' or 'pale, colourless, wan, livid.' " Used of dark-skinned people in Old English.
Haney
Did you read your post? If so, is your ass pale or brown? Would you call it blac from now?
Muurz to come...
Lion!
OED
Oxford English Dictionary:
Black, designating Americans of African heritage, became the most widely used and accepted term in the 1960s and 1970s, replacing Negro. It is not usually capitalized: black Americans. Through the 1980s, the more formal African American replaced black in much usage, but both are now generally acceptable. Afro-American, first recorded in the 19th century and popular in the 1960s and 1970s, is now heard mostly in anthropological and cultural contexts. Colored people, common in the early part of the 20th century, is now usually regarded as offensive, although the phrase survives in the full name of the NAACP, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. An inversion, people of color, has gained some favor, but is also used in reference to other nonwhite ethnic groups: a gathering spot for African Americans and other people of color interested in reading about their cultures. See also colored (usage) and person of color.
Author of The Etymologicon Mark Forsyth explains why black could be white - and up could be down
Etymologists have a terrible time distinguishing black from white. You’d think that the two concepts could be kept apart, but that wasn’t how the medieval English thought about things. They were a confusing bunch of people and must have had a terrible time ordering coffee. The Oxford English Dictionary itself feebly admits that: ‘In Middle English it is often doubtful whether blac, blak, blacke, means “black, dark,” or “pale, colourless, wan, livid”.’
Chess would have been a confusing game; but on the plus side, racism must have been impractical.
Utterly illogical though all this may sound, there are two good explanations. Unfortunately, nobody is quite sure which one is true. So I shall give you both.
Once upon a time, there was an old Germanic word for burnt, which was black, or as close to black as makes no difference. The confusion arose because the old Germanics couldn’t decide which colour burning was. Some old Germans said that when things were burning they were bright and shiny, and other old Germans said that when things were burnt they turned black.
The result was a hopeless monochrome confusion, until everybody got bored and rode off to sack Rome. The English were left holding black, which could mean either pale or dark, but slowly settled on one usage. The French also imported this useless black word. They then put an N in it and later sold it on to the English as blank. Leaving us with black and blank as opposites.
The other theory (which is rather less likely, but still good fun) is that there was an old German word black which meant bare, void and empty. What do you have if you don’t have any colours?
Well, it’s hard to say really. If you close your eyes you see nothing, which is black, but a blank piece of paper is, usually, white. Under this theory, blankness is the original sense and the two colours – black and white – are simply different interpretations of what blank means.
And, just prove to the point even more irritatingly, bleach comes from the same root and can mean to make pale, or any substance used for making things black. Moreover, bleak is probably just a variant of bleach and used to mean white.
Such linguistic nonsenses are a lot more common than you might reasonably have hoped. Down means up. Well, okay, it means hill, but hills are upward sorts of things, aren’t they? In England there’s a range of hills called the Sussex Downs. This means that you can climb up a down.
Down, as in fall down, was originally off-down, meaning off-the-hill. So if an Old Englishman fell off the top of a hill he would fall off-down. Then lazy Old Englishmen started to drop the word off. Rather than saying that they were going off-down, they just started going down. So we ended up with the perplexing result that the downs are up above you, and that going downhill is really going downdown.
But we must get back to blanks and lotteries.
Once upon a time, a lottery worked like this. You bought a ticket and wrote your name on it. Then you put it into the name jar. Once all the tickets had been sold, another jar was filled up with an equal number of tickets, on some of which were written the name of a prize.
The chap running the lottery would pull out two tickets, on from the name jar and one from the prize jar. Thus, way back in 1653, the court of King James I was described as:
A kind of Lotterie, where men that venture much may draw a Blank, and such as have little may get the Prize.
Blank lottery tickets were thus the financial opposite of blank cheques (if you’re British) and blank checks (if you’re American), although as we shall see, the American spelling is older.
The Etymologicon by Mark Forsyth is published by Icon.
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The Oxford English Dictionary (OED), published by the Oxford University Press, is the premier British dictionary of the English language.[2] Work began on the dictionary in 1857[3]:103–4,112 but it was not until 1884 that it started to be published in unbound fascicles as work continued on the project under the name A New English Dictionary on Historical Principles; Founded Mainly on the Materials Collected by The Philological Society.[4]:169 In 1895, the title The Oxford English Dictionary (OED) was first used
A New English Dictionary on Historical Principles: Founded ..., Volume 1, Part 2 By Philological Society (Great Britain) 1887
blackness n. Usage Note: The Oxford English Dictionary contains evidence of the use of black with reference to African peoples as early as 1400, and certainly the word has been in wide use in racial and ethnic contexts ever since. However, it was not until the late 1960s that black (or Black) gained its present status as a self-chosen ethnonym with strong connotations of racial pride, replacing the then-current Negro among Blacks and non-Blacks alike with remarkable speed. Equally significant is the degree to which Negro became discredited in the process, reflecting the profound changes taking place in the Black community during the tumultuous years of the civil rights and Black Power movements. The recent success of African American offers an interesting contrast in this regard. Though by no means a modern coinage, African American achieved sudden prominence at the end of the 1980s when several Black leaders, including Jesse Jackson, championed it as an alternative ethnonym for Americans of African descent. The appeal of this term is obvious, alluding as it does not to skin color but to an ethnicity constructed of geography, history, and culture, and it won rapid acceptance in the media alongside similar forms such as Asian American, Hispanic American, and Italian American. But unlike what happened a generation earlier, African American has shown little sign of displacing or discrediting black, which remains both popular and positive. The difference may well lie in the fact that the campaign for African American came at a time of relative social and political stability, when Americans in general and Black Americans in particular were less caught up in issues involving radical change than they were in the 1960s. · Black is sometimes capitalized in its racial sense, especially in the African-American press, though the lowercase form is still widely used by authors of all races. The capitalization of Black does raise ancillary problems for the treatment of the term white. Orthographic evenhandedness would seem to require the use of uppercase White, but this form might be taken to imply that whites constitute a single ethnic group, an issue that is certainly debatable. Uppercase White is also sometimes associated with the writings of white supremacist groups, a sufficient reason of itself for many to dismiss it. On the other hand, the use of lowercase white in the same context as uppercase Black will obviously raise questions as to how and why the writer has distinguished between the two groups. There is no entirely happy solution to this problem. In all likelihood, uncertainty as to the mode of styling of white has dissuaded many publications from adopting the capitalized form Black.
However being 'Black' is probably a concept after 1400. probably applied by outsiders mainly. 'Negro" meaning the same thing
there can be no white without black
however there can be no black or white
This is what the Chinese did, They were once called "Yellow" Now they are called "Asian" or simply Chinese They don't use a color identity anymore
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Having "black" skin was known before 1400
However being 'Black' is probably a concept after 1400. probably applied by outsiders mainly. 'Negro" meaning the same thing
there can be no white without black
however there can be no black or white
This is what the Chinese did, They were once called "Yellow" Now they are called "Asian" or simply Chinese They don't use a color identity anymore
He,he,he:
Cute, once the Negroes stop running away from Black, and instead, discover the power of racial identity (that's how the Albinos got everything they got), Negroes are now told to abandon the concept of race for the humanistic Kumbaya stuff.
That requires a judgement of are we "Even" now. i.e. From the beginning of time, Blacks have lorded it over our Albinos. Then over the last hundreds of years, Albinos have committed uncountable grievous atrocities against Blacks in revenge - including denying us knowledge of ourselves.
So are we even now? That's a personal judgement.
But I fear that when the Negroes who had swallowed the Albinos lies, realize that they were lies, then they will want to start things anew. The slow witted are always a problem.
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^Lion, I didn't respond to it, because I don't know what to make of it. Language is not my specialty, so I can't say what is what. Certainly it is very interesting that according to the old Albinos, the words for Blacks and Whites has the same roots, just like the people themselves.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^Lion, I didn't respond to it, because I don't know what to make of it. Language is not my specialty, so I can't say what is what. Certainly it is very interesting that according to the old Albinos, the words for Blacks and Whites has the same roots, just like the people themselves.
Thanks again...
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and for White is BLACK that is an evolution for "BLANK.
The blacks revolutioneries chanche the word "black" to people with black skin and moor only to black arabs that invader Iberia
Why?
Because black revolutionaries wish eraser black history to white people fall the opressive european black elite.
Today we know the truth David MacRitchie proof that england was black and Moor means black
Ancient english
Black skin = MOOR
White Skin - Blank = Black
from wikipedia
"According to MacRitchie there were also "two" Pictish races, the former were the aboriginal dark Lappish or Ainu race while a later white-skinned red-headed group invaded them, who he considered the Caledonians"
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] Having "black" skin was known before 1400
However being 'Black' is probably a concept after 1400. probably applied by outsiders mainly. 'Negro" meaning the same thing
there can be no white without black
however there can be no black or white
This is what the Chinese did, They were once called "Yellow" Now they are called "Asian" or simply Chinese They don't use a color identity anymore
He,he,he:
Cute, once the Negroes stop running away from Black, and instead, discover the power of racial identity (that's how the Albinos got everything they got), Negroes are now told to abandon the concept of race for the humanistic Kumbaya stuff.
Mike types prefer "black"
it's a way of running away from African
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] Having "black" skin was known before 1400
However being 'Black' is probably a concept after 1400. probably applied by outsiders mainly. 'Negro" meaning the same thing
there can be no white without black
however there can be no black or white
This is what the Chinese did, They were once called "Yellow" Now they are called "Asian" or simply Chinese They don't use a color identity anymore
He,he,he:
Cute, once the Negroes stop running away from Black, and instead, discover the power of racial identity (that's how the Albinos got everything they got), Negroes are now told to abandon the concept of race for the humanistic Kumbaya stuff.
Mike types prefer "black"
it's a way of running away from African
Haney
What do you prefer? Blac?
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quote:Originally posted by malibudusul: [QB] The word for blacks in ancient english
is MOOR
The English word Moor spelled M-o-o-r goes back to the 14th century
it comes from the Latin Maurus "inhabitant of Mauritania" possibly adapted from the Greek Mauroi meaning dark or black
Mauretania was an independent tribal kingdom from about the 3rd century BC.
After the invasion of Iberia in 711 various forms of the word mouro, moro meant muslims from North Africa After the 14th century they started calling any dark person from Africa a moor. They also mentioned tawny moors who were lighter
quote:Originally posted by malibudusul:
The blacks revolutioneries chanche the word "black" to people with black skin and moor only to black arabs that invader Iberia
Why?
Because black revolutionaries wish eraser black history to white people fall the opressive european black elite.
which black revolutionaries are you talking about?
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