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Jackass leaves sniffer and smoker you keep fouling up my post with your Low IQ rubbish--proof of a befuddled and weak brain. One of the ongoing tragedies of the African race is that there are too many clowns, jackasses, and really stupid morons that just besmirch a whole people. Just clowns and more clowns--including a really stupid one that prances around with all the frivolity of a born clown with just painfully stupid and asinine talk of "muurs". Is this--as they say--for real? He sounds so stupid.
The stupid fool is ensnared by some dumb cult whose members swear by leaves and pink female. They mask their natural degeneracy and depravity with a hair-style with which they hope to lure and reel in the equally degenerate pink girls. But people with a modicum of alertness see through this hypocritical game. A blight on the African race.
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The history of the Jews in Libya stretches back to the 3rd century BCE, when Cyrenaica was under Greek rule. The Jewish population of Libya, a part of the Maghrebi Jewish community continued to populate the area continuously until the modern times. During World War II, Libya's Jewish population was subjected to antisemitic laws by the Fascist Italian regime and deportations by German troops.
During the Greco-Roman period, Libya corresponded approximately with Cyrene and the territory belonging to it. Jews lived there - including many that moved there from Egypt; Augustus granted Cyrene's Jewish population certain privileges through Flavius, the governor of the province. At the time, they maintained close contact with the Jews in Jerusalem. In 73 CE, during the First Jewish–Roman War in Judea, there was also a revolt by the Jewish community in Cyrene led by Jonathan the Weaver, which was quickly suppressed by the governor Catullus. Jonathan was denounced to the governor of Pentapolis.
In vengeance, the Romans then killed him and many wealthy Jews in Cyrene. In 115 CE, another Jewish revolt, known as Kitos War, broke out not only in Cyrene, but also in Egypt and Cyprus.Several Libyan Jews from this period are known today, such as Jason of Cyrene, whose work is the source of the Second Book of Maccabees, and Simon of Cyrene, who carried the cross of Jesus as Jesus was taken to his crucifixion.
In 1911, Libya was colonized by Italy. By 1931, there were 21,000 Jews living in the country (4% of the total population of 550,000), mostly in Tripoli. The situation for the Jews was generally good. But, in the late 1930s, the Fascist Italian regime began passing anti-Semitic laws. As a result of these laws, Jews were fired from government jobs, some were dismissed from government schools, and their citizenship papers were stamped with the words "Jewish race."[4]
Despite this repression, 25% of the population of Tripoli was still Jewish in 1941 and 44 synagogues were maintained in the city. In 1942, German troops fighting the Allies in North Africa occupied the Jewish quarter of Benghazi, plundering shops and deporting more than 2,000 Jews across the desert. Sent to work in labor camps, more than one-fifth of this group of Jews perished. Jews were concentrated in the cities of Tripoli and Benghazi, with small communities in Bayda and Misrata The Italian conquest of Libya dated back to 1911, as a result of Italian ambitions in North Africa. Libya was annexed to the Italian Kingdom with the Lausanne Treaty of 1923, which concluded the Italo-Turkish War of 1912.
For several years, few Italian nationals lived in the new colony. When the Fascist regime gained power in Italy, the colonization of Libya was increased; thousands of Italian settlers poured into the country with promises of free land and financial aid. By 1939, Italians in Libya numbered 108,419 (12.37 percent of the total population) according to census figures; plans envisioned 500,000 Italian settlers by the 1960s. The Italian population was concentrated in the coast around the cities of Tripoli (37 percent of its population) and Bengasi (31 percent). With the Italian defeat in World War II, Italian influence waned.
After several years under British mandate, on December 24, 1951 Libya declared its independence as the United Kingdom of Libya (a constitutional, hereditary monarchy under King Idris). Although many Italians had already left the former colony, many remained (primarily farmers and craftsmen). King Idris was a tolerant monarch, and generally treated the Italian population well.
Libyan Jews (ethnic Arabs who had lived in Libya since the 3rd century BC) were granted citizenship; their passports labeled them as "Libyan Jews" ("Iahud Liby"). Their civil and political rights were restricted, under the assumption that they had connections with Israel. In 1945 and 1948 the Jews suffered pogroms, and most left Libya for Israel in 1948.
About 6,000 remained in Libya until they were forced to leave after the pogrom in June 1967, during which 15 were killed. Between 1951 (the independence of Libya) and 1970, the Italian population was not granted Libyan citizenship. The remaining Libyan Jews migrated to Israel, and their Libyan holdings were seized. After the war, anti-Jewish violence caused many Jews to leave the country, principally for Israel, though significant numbers remained in Rome and many later emigrated to various communities in North America. Under Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, who ruled the country from 1969 to 2011, the situation deteriorated further, eventually leading to the emigration of the remaining Jewish population. The last Jew of Libya, 80-year-old Rina Debach, left the country in 2003.
On September 1, 1969, while King Idris of Libya was in Turkey for medical treatment he was deposed in a coup by a group of Libyan army officers under the leadership of Lieutenant Colonel Muammar al-Gaddafi. The monarchy was abolished, and a republic proclaimed. The coup pre-empted Idris' abdication and the succession of his heir the following day.
Over the next few months, Libyan policy towards foreigners changed drastically. The revolutionary council approved a new constitution, which described Libya as Arab, free, and democratic. In the name of Arab nationalism the new government nationalized most oil holdings, seized Italian and Jewish possessions, closed U.S. and British military bases (including the American Wheelus Air Base, renamed "Oqba bin Nafi" after the first Arab-Muslim conqueror of North Africa.
On July 21, 1970 the revolutionary council issued a special law to regain wealth stolen from the Libyan people by Italian oppressors (as stated by Gaddafi in a speech a few days later). With this law, Italians who had long lived in Libya were required to leave the county by October 7, 1970. October 7 would be celebrated as the Day of Revenge, a Libyan national holiday. About 20,000 Italians and 37,000 Jews were expelled from the country.
The coup d’état of Muammar al-Gaddafi (influenced by Gamal Abdel Nasser’s Arab nationalism) was driven by the conviction that foreigners were still exploiting Libya, and Gaddafi made their eviction a hallmark of his program. By the end of 1970 all foreign holdings were seized, and nearly all Jews and Italians had left the country.
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quote:Originally posted by lamin: Jackass leaves sniffer and smoker you keep fouling up my post with your Low IQ rubbish--proof of a befuddled and weak brain. One of the ongoing tragedies of the African race is that there are too many clowns, jackasses, and really stupid morons that just besmirch a whole people. Just clowns and more clowns--including a really stupid one that prances around with all the frivolity of a born clown with just painfully stupid and asinine talk of "muurs". Is this--as they say--for real? He sounds so stupid.
The stupid fool is ensnared by some dumb cult whose members swear by leaves and pink female. They mask their natural degeneracy and depravity with a hair-style with which they hope to lure and reel in the equally degenerate pink girls. But people with a modicum of alertness see through this hypocritical game. A blight on the African race.
ad hominem is your rebuttal?
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quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Qaddafi Warns France: If I Go Down, You Will Be Flooded With "Millions Of Blacks"
Qaddafi's latest gambit: Convince the European public that they really want him to stick around, with all the stability that entails.
He spoke today to TV network France 24.
This quote (via Reuters) certainly stands out:
"There are millions of blacks who could come to the Mediterranean to cross to France and Italy, and Libya plays a role in security in the Mediterranean."
Bear in mind that after the fall of Tunisia's Ben Ali, Italy has seen a wave of immigrants that continue today.
quote: As a Libyan I fully support the revolts that are taking place against Gaddafi's "imported" criminals. Our society, culture and economy is being raped. Ask Mr. Gaddafi: Where is the 350 billion dollars of our national budget missing? Abdesalam Zoueh, Tripoli, Libya.
quote:I have no respect for the man. He speaks of African unity but he allows his country's resources to be used for the killing and displacement of Liberian and Sierre Leoneans. The man may have forgotten or he may not know but the idea of African unity is nothing new. He needs to read up on West African history, particularly the Pan African idea suggested by Guinea, Ghana and Liberia. Robert A, Liberia
quote:Is Gaddafi a racist? Is the sky blue? Is it cold in the Antarctic? People often wonder why there are so many wars in Africa. Well, the answer is in Tripoli. Gaddafi has sown, financed, and midwifed conflicts everywhere in Africa. It is obvious that the lives of black Africans mean nothing to him. In my book, that makes him a racist. Jane Bangura, Sierra Leone
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Gaddafi: Black Africans Are Ignorant Barbarians - 2010
"Col Gaddafi has forged close ties with Italy since a friendship treaty was signed two years ago. It sought to draw a line under historic bitterness between Libya and Italy, its former colonial master.
"Tomorrow Europe might no longer be European, and even black, as there are millions who want to come in," said Col Gaddafi, quoted by the AFP news agency.
He was speaking at a ceremony in Rome late on Monday, standing next to Italy's Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi.
"We don't know what will happen, what will be the reaction of the white and Christian Europeans faced with this influx of starving and ignorant Africans," Col Gaddafi said.
"We don't know if Europe will remain an advanced and united continent or if it will be destroyed, as happened with the barbarian invasions.""
"We don’t know what will happen, what will be the reaction of the white and Christian Europeans faced with this influx of starving and ignorant Africans," Col Gaddafi said in Rome, August 30, 2010.
Arab racism towards Africans has for long been a taboo subject, considering that it is politically incorrect to voice out the obvious: That Arabs, who are mostly Muslims, are racists to boot and consider Africans, Muslim or Christian, as inferior.
Reference is made to the book of Genesis and the three sons of Noah – Ham, Japheth and Shem. Arabs claim that “the accursed Ham was the progenitor of the black race; that Japheth begat the full-faced, small eyed Europeans, and that Shem fathered the handsome Arabs with beautiful face and hair.”
Arab philosophers carefully tilled the ground in order to make racism towards Africans and all Blacks by their kin a proud cultural heritage...
The author Hama Tuma, Ethiopian author, poet and journalist, has been active in the political and human rights struggle in Ethiopia and Africa since the sixties. His satirical essays under the general title of African Absurdities have gained support from many quarters. Some of his books (English and Amharic) have been translated to French, Italian and Hebrew.
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The protection of the petrodollar aka oil being sold only in USA dollar is the cause of the invasion of Irak, the destruction of Libya, the civil war in Syria and the sanction on Iran. The West talking about free market economy and democracy are lies. The west act as world dictators and monopolists.
Western reserve currencies are fiat currencies base on trust not back up by any gold and silver reserve. The West will not allow other stable countries in the world to create a fiat reserve currency to compete with the USA dollar and Euro. Libya in cooperation with other African countries had the plan to create an international currency back up by gold call the gold dinar to compete with the US dollar, Euro and franc CFA. France President Nicolas Sarkozy states the gold dinar was a threat to Western economic supremacy. The EU and USA decided to stop Libya by destroying the country. The Chinese Yuan is rising as an international reserve and trade fiat currency, the USA and EU cant stop the Chinese.
The author Hama Tuma, Ethiopian author, poet and journalist, has been active in the political and human rights struggle in Ethiopia and Africa since the sixties. His satirical essays under the general title of African Absurdities have gained support from many quarters. Some of his books (English and Amharic) have been translated to French, Italian and Hebrew.
Tabari II:11 "Shem, the son of Noah was the father of the Arabs, the Persians, and the Greeks; Ham was the father of the Black Africans; and Japheth was the father of the Turks and of Gog and Magog who were cousins of the Turks. Noah prayed that the prophets and apostles would be descended from Shem and kings would be from Japheth. He prayed that the African's color would change so that their descendants would be slaves to the Arabs and Turks."
Tabari II:21 "Ham [Africans] begat all those who are black and curly-haired, while Japheth [Turks] begat all those who are full-faced with small eyes, and Shem [Arabs] begat everyone who is handsome of face with beautiful hair. Noah prayed that the hair of Ham's descendants would not grow beyond their ears, and that whenever his descendants met Shem's, the latter would enslave them."
Ishaq:243 "I heard the Apostle say: 'Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal!' He was a black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks.... Allah sent down concerning him: 'To those who annoy the Prophet there is a painful doom." [9:61] "Gabriel came to Muhammad and said, 'If a black man comes to you his heart is more gross than a donkey's.'"
From Jahiz's Kitab al-Hayawan (book on animals)
Allah has made the Zanj black and misshapen so all will know they are cursed. For it is written: Like the crow among mankind are the Zanj for they are the worst of men and the most vicious of creatures in character and temperament.
My issue is that only the abject stupidity of an African would not understand that very simple preposition.
Likewise the issue of properly identifying Albinos and Mulattoes. If that is not done, then nothing makes sense and we are left with the nonsensical blabberings of those who are tying to fool us.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: The point of my post is very simple:
IF THESE ARE ARABS:
The keyword is IF
you just don't know the background of these boys and there's no getting around that
many people who speak Arabic and are Muslim and live in Arabia are called "Arabs"
But they could be people who a few hundred years ago were from places like Africa, Syria or Turkey or mixtures thereof who had no deep ancestry on the Arabian penninsula.
For instance if a Ethiopian from three hundred years ago migrated to Arabia or was brought there as a slave and had kids and there was a picture taken of their descendants today in Arabia you, Mike, would swear they were "the original Arabs". Does every black person in Arabia have to be descendants of slaves? No but in not being a slave they could also be a migrant to Arabia of other circumstances.
Maybe they are deep rooted Arabs or mixed with deep rooted Arabs But in posting the pictures you simply dont' know what their actual background is and they may or may not be
Any groups of Africans who have been living in any given country of the world for a few hundred years who are part of that culture, and speak the language, you instantly present photos of them trying to pass them off as indigenous
The boys above may be deep rooted Arabs or immigrants within the past several hundred years. A picture is not enough, people dressed in local garb is not enough stop bullshytting like KING. Pictures alone aren't proof. This is why scientific articles about ancestral origns aren't a collection of a few photos
this piece of Yemen art is around 2000 years older than the picture of those boys
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: The keyword is IF
you just don't know the background of these boys and there's no getting around that
many people who speak Arabic and are Muslim and live in Arabia are called "Arabs"
But they could be people who a few hundred years ago were from places like Africa, Syria or Turkey or mixtures thereof who had no deep ancestry on the Arabian penninsula.
For instance if a Ethiopian from three hundred years ago migrated to Arabia or was brought there as a slave and had kids and there was a picture taken of their descendants today in Arabia you, Mike, would swear they were "the original Arabs". Does every black person in Arabia have to be descendants of slaves? No but in not being a slave they could also be a migrant to Arabia of other circumstances.
Maybe they are deep rooted Arabs or mixed with deep rooted Arabs But in posting the pictures you simply dont' know what their actual background is and they may or may not be
Any groups of Africans who have been living in any given country of the world for a few hundred years who are part of that culture, and speak the language, you instantly present photos of them trying to pass them off as indigenous
The boys above may be deep rooted Arabs or immigrants within the past several hundred years. A picture is not enough, people dressed in local garb is not enough stop bullshytting like KING. Pictures alone aren't proof. This is why scientific articles about ancestral origns aren't a collection of a few photos
this piece of Yemen art is around 2000 years older than the picture of those boys
After all of this time, you still don't understand that I wouldn't have made the comments if I didn't have "In-hand" material to prove my point.
Lioness, I answered you because I wanted to explain myself to those who think that I pick on Africans for no reason.
The point that you made with that picture is really totally fuching stupid and really pisses me off. While most here are trying to learn something, you continually try to obfuscate with inane nonsense like that. 2000 years ago Greeks, Romans, and Central Asians were all over that area. So what does that carving which is not in the Arab style prove? Absolutely nothing you degenerate lying bitch, so get lost!
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: The point of my post is very simple:
IF THESE ARE ARABS:
The keyword is IF
you just don't know the background of these boys and there's no getting around that
many people who speak Arabic and are Muslim and live in Arabia are called "Arabs"
But they could be people who a few hundred years ago were from places like Africa, Syria or Turkey or mixtures thereof who had no deep ancestry on the Arabian penninsula.
For instance if a Ethiopian from three hundred years ago migrated to Arabia or was brought there as a slave and had kids and there was a picture taken of their descendants today in Arabia you, Mike, would swear they were "the original Arabs". Does every black person in Arabia have to be descendants of slaves? No but in not being a slave they could also be a migrant to Arabia of other circumstances.
Maybe they are deep rooted Arabs or mixed with deep rooted Arabs But in posting the pictures you simply dont' know what their actual background is and they may or may not be
Any groups of Africans who have been living in any given country of the world for a few hundred years who are part of that culture, and speak the language, you instantly present photos of them trying to pass them off as indigenous
The boys above may be deep rooted Arabs or immigrants within the past several hundred years. A picture is not enough, people dressed in local garb is not enough stop bullshytting like KING. Pictures alone aren't proof. This is why scientific articles about ancestral origns aren't a collection of a few photos
this piece of Yemen art is around 2000 years older than the picture of those boys
Only bullshitter is You lioness.
Got schooled in the other thread and slunk away like a snake to call my name up in another thread. You don't want none.
SHow the forum the tribe of kinky haired Indians.
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Aint you the dummy who stated that Euros could not find a straight haired African tribe so that meant that Africans don't have straight hair?
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Aint you the dummy who stated that Euros could not find a straight haired African tribe so that meant that Africans don't have straight hair?
I said you or the Euros can't find a straight haired African tribe therefore straight hair being inidgenous to Africa has not been proven at this time. (note not some frizzy fly away hair, the real lank limp stuff like Chinese people have)
stuff about Indians would be irrelevant to that topic, capiche?
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Aint you the dummy who stated that Euros could not find a straight haired African tribe so that meant that Africans don't have straight hair?
I said you or the Euros can't find a straight haired African tribe therefore straight hair being inidgenous to Africa has not been proven at this time. (note not some frizzy fly away hair, the real lank limp stuff like Chinese people have)
stuff about Indians would be irrelevant to that topic, capiche?
So Like I asked you Please show a tribe of kinky haired Indians who all have kinky hair..Or are you saying that all Indians have straight lank hair?
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Compare an Arabized East African, the man on the left
compare to Hama Tuma: Mike do you notice a difference?
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
Please note that the home country (Ethiopia) of this idiot Hama Tuma, is directly across from the Arabian peninsula.
How then would an African apologist explain how this Damn fool would not know the difference between an Arab and a Turk.
you make the same assumption again, that because Hama Tuma lives in Ethiopia he's indigenous Ethiopian
Look at the comparision. he might be part Ethiopian and Arab himself
Semitic Bedawin, Hadramawt, Southern Arabia.
^^^ It's a guessing game as to if the original Arabs may have looked like this
If they did, they still look somewhat different from indigenous an Ethiopian
Hama Tuma looks more like a mixture of both.-and not even as dark as the people in those old bedouin photos
KING, I ask you, who knows more aboput how Arabs look, a professional author and resident of Ethiopia,a country close to Arabia or California Mike?
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quote:Originally posted by KING: Like I asked you Please show a tribe of kinky haired Indians who all have kinky hair..Or are you saying that all Indians have straight lank hair?
I showed you a phpt of an Andaman Islander from an Island near to India
But an Island close to India is not India so I have not been able to find a kinky haired Indian tribe
I have not made a statement about Indians but obviously that vast majority or all have straight hair of an Asian type, slightly more wavy than East "oriental" Asians but still straight hair and these Indians were involved in martime trade along the East African coast as well as the Arabs
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quote:Originally posted by KING: Like I asked you Please show a tribe of kinky haired Indians who all have kinky hair..Or are you saying that all Indians have straight lank hair?
I showed you a phpt of an Andaman Islander from an Island near to India
But an Island close to India is not India so I have not been able to find a kinky haired Indian tribe
I have not made a statement about Indians but obviously that vast majority or all have straight hair of an Asian type, slightly more wavy than East "oriental" Asians but still straight hair and these Indians were involved in martime trade along the East African coast as well as the Arabs
WHen I posted in the Other thread I said NO ANDAMANS...Stop with the sly bullshit bullshitter.
You said NO AFRICAN TRIBE WITH STRAIGHT HAIR has been found in Africa...SO you think None is straight haired naturally. Now you claim the MAJORITY OF INDIANS HAVE STRAIGHT HAIR...Snaking that a minority don't. I said the same thing about Africans ..If your to dumb to see the correlation...Then the bullshit sticks to you
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quote:Originally posted by KING: WHen I posted in the Other thread I said NO ANDAMANS...Stop with the sly bullshit bullshitter.
You said NO AFRICAN TRIBE WITH STRAIGHT HAIR has been found in Africa...SO you think None is straight haired naturally. Now you claim the MAJORITY OF INDIANS HAVE STRAIGHT HAIR...Snaking that a minority don't. I said the same thing about Africans ..If your to dumb to see the correlation...Then the bullshit sticks to you
I have looked into straight hair in Africans but not kinky hair in Indians.
If there is some tribe of kinky hair Indians, there is not some fairness doctrine built into nature that would make an analogous straight hair possible in an African tribe
Africans are the most diverse that doesn't mean they have every trait in the entire world and that every type of person in the world came about before people left Africa
For intsance red hair or blue eyes are very rare in Africa but relatively common in Europe even though most Europeans have brown hair and brown eyes. However Africans are more diverse in other ways, genetically and in body types
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quote:Originally posted by KING: WHen I posted in the Other thread I said NO ANDAMANS...Stop with the sly bullshit bullshitter.
You said NO AFRICAN TRIBE WITH STRAIGHT HAIR has been found in Africa...SO you think None is straight haired naturally. Now you claim the MAJORITY OF INDIANS HAVE STRAIGHT HAIR...Snaking that a minority don't. I said the same thing about Africans ..If your to dumb to see the correlation...Then the bullshit sticks to you
I have looked into straight hair in Africans but not kinky hair in Indians.
If there is some tribe of kinky hair Indians, there is not some fairness doctrine built into nature that would make an analogous straight hair possible in an African tribe
Africans are the most diverse that doesn't mean they have every trait in the entire world and that every type of person in the world came about before people left Africa
For intsance red hair or blue eyes are very rare in Africa but relatively common in Europe even though most Europeans have brown hair and brown eyes. However Africans are more diverse in other ways, genetically and in body types
Credit your composure(NO Don't step to lioness bullshit). All I am saying is that Kinky hair is not the majority in Indians, the same way straight hair is NOT the majority in Africans...The thing with the ETERNAL CREATOR though is that sometimes he puts things in people out of nowhere that makes NO SENSE to man, but makes sense to Him.
Hence some Somalis, eritreans, Djiboutians, Nubians, Sudanese(You would say they are mixed with arabs) have straight hair.
Making sense in this world is like a cup of tea, many flavours...different tastes.
Peace
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quote:Under Gaddafi’s Tent: Sex, Ephebes, Concubines and Racism
AFRICANGLOBE – A senior Muammar Gaddafi top aide has for the first time revealed gory details of sex,murders and racism in the Brother Leader’s secret world.
About Imam Moussa Sadr, I received a call from Abdallah Senoussi, who was then an officer in military intelligence.
He gave me three passports and asked me to get Italian visas for guests of the government.
One of these was Sadr’s passport. It took time and Senoussi stamped his feet.
I later realized that the imam had been abducted and they had planned to cover it up with a trip to Rome. [...]
“He [Gaddafi] was temperamental. Sometimes he would wake up and say: “Bring me that negro”, in reference to an African head of state.
And after the interview: “The negro is gone. Give him something. “[...]
“When he was at loggerheads with his wife Safia, he would retreat to his bunker in Bab al-Aziziyah.
“He had his harem, with ephebes and concubines.
“He would stay for a month or two, and there we knew that he was plunged into debauchery and partying. [...]
“He took steroids, brought to him by Senoussi. [...]
“During a hunting party in Romania, he killed one of the Officers, Salah Boufaroua because he had evidence that Gaddafi’s mother was Jewish.
“Two diplomats in Rome were executed for the same reason. [...]
“He was sadistic with women. I witnessed two cases of aggression against a Nigerian academic and the wife of a Swiss businessman.
“The first received a $100,000 “compensation”.
The other case was covered by an investment in a Swiss company. [...]
“Bashir Saleh [former Gaddafi aide] told me that the [late] Gabonese President Omar Bongo had made him listen to a taped telephone call between Gaddafi and his wife.
“It was an amorous call. Bongo was very angry. [...]
“Gaddafi was fond of history books and loved to surprise foreign representatives by evoking little known details. [...]
“When Kofi Annan came to Libya in relation to the Lockerbie bombing, he was made to wait a whole day. He hosted a tent in the desert, I saw a mortified Annan.”
Ironlion this is terrible I weep for us good africans, vultures just wolves all of them.
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Gaddafi may have been a dictator (pro-muslim) but Nato's intervention in Libya is nothing but a disaster. Libya is a country in chaos controlled by armed militia groups and sectarian division (conflict between people of the same religion and elitist interests). What should have been done, and it was a definitive possibility at a certain point, is a peaceful and inclusive transition toward democracy. Emphasis on 'inclusive'. Where both people from the Gaddafi's green party and the insurgents (or other groups) face each other in a democratic elections. But Nato and imperialist powers -mainly USA/France- didn't want that. They prefer to have their puppets in power in the Middle East and countries destabilized. Destabilization is good business for them. They are also doing the same now in Syria, supporting the insurgents, as they did elsewhere before (Iraq, Afghanistan, etc). Nato's illegal military intervention in Libya brought nothing but violence and destruction.
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This is free advice for everyone on this thread: don't follow MSM narratives on issues!. As Afrocentric revisionists this should automatically be a rule of thumb. That's why its disheartening to see you repeating lies about Gaddafi and Lockerbie. Fyi,he had nothing to do with the bombing which was about CIA heroin smuggling from the Bekaa valley. The investigators were on the flight with evidence when it went down. lockerbie Gaddafi was a complex man,not easy to write about. He did want a better continent and many disagreed with his tactics. IMO,his record is admittedly mixed. For his admirers,he's still alive living in Harare-it was his double they got.
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^^ Nobody mentioned Lockerbie except Lamin my girl, as a divertionary tactis.
All I am talking about are the wars in Sierra Leone - 1990s, Liberia - 1990s, Central African Republic 2000, Chad - 1978, Mauritania 1990s, Mali 2000, Sudan 2000, Egypt 1973, Tunisia - 1974, and several attempted coups in Nigeria. All caused by that Islamist pseudo revolutionary called Kadafi.
That is enough war karma for one batard!
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"The Arab Islamic Republic was a proposed unification of Tunisia and Libya in 1974, agreed upon by then Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi and Tunisian President Habib Bourguiba."
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quote:Originally posted by kikuyu22: Gaddafi was a complex man,not easy to write about. He did want a better continent and many disagreed with his tactics.
I think gaddafi was complex very much.
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quote:Originally posted by kikuyu22: Gaddafi was a complex man,not easy to write about. He did want a better continent and many disagreed with his tactics.
I think gaddafi was complex very much.
Peregrine
The Nigerian, Ghanaian, Kenyan, Ethiopian, Sudanese, Egyptian, Moroccan, and South African security establishment simply knew him as a fake revolutionary. A sword of the Rothschild family in Africa. The seed of confusion and destruction...
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quote:Originally posted by Peregrine: I think Gaddafi was complex very much.
Gaddafi was not complicated, he was just another murderous Mulatto megalomaniac with a power fixation.
It is an indication of just how far Black Africa still has to go, that anyone took him seriously.
Then again, the fact that he was paying off the Black tribes in the desert, may have given him credibility with Black Africa. It doesn't take much to impress some people.
Gaddafi was not complicated, but Libya, and North Africa in general, IS very complicated. I speak from a historians and an outsiders perspective, perhaps El T would care to comment.
These with knowledge of recent U.S. racial history knows that initially mulattoes were depended upon to carry the message, in that they were better tolerated.
North Africa, particularly Libya, seems to have fallen into that mode since the early 1900s with the killing of Omar Mukhtar, and the wholesale murder of 50% of Libya's Blacks by the Italians.
Victims of the Italian Genocide in Libya While the Italians regularly massacred civilians and prisoners alike.
The Libyans were generally reluctant to follow suit. When a Berber soldier suggested to Mukhtar that he should authorize the killing of a prisoner:
Mukhtar refused, saying "We are their teachers, they are not ours!"
(Sounds nice but is it really the way - I certainly don't know).
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^Luckily for Libya, Italy had sided with Germany in the war. With the defeat of the Axis powers, and the creation of the U.N. it was decided that rather than returning Libya to Italy, it would be made an independent country.
Under the constitution of October 1951, the federal monarchy of Libya was headed by the Turk Mulatto King Idris as chief of state, with succession to his designated heirs.
The September 1969 Coup
On September 1, 1969, in a daring coup d'état, a group of about seventy young army officers and enlisted men, mostly assigned to the Signal Corps, and led by then 27-year-old army officer Muammar al-Gaddafi seized control of the government and in a stroke abolished the Libyan monarchy. The coup was launched at Benghazi, and within two hours the takeover was completed. Army units quickly rallied in support of the coup, and within a few days firmly established military control in Tripoli and elsewhere throughout the country. Popular reception of the coup, especially by younger people in the urban areas, was enthusiastic. Fears of resistance in Cyrenaica and Fezzan proved unfounded. No deaths or violent incidents related to the coup were reported. The officers abolished the monarchy, and proclaimed the new Libyan "Arab" Republic, with Gaddafi as it's leader. Muammar al Qadhafi thus became president for life.
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^With the Albino Europeans having spent whatever "Moral" capital they might have bamboozled, I was interested to see if Libya's remaining Blacks would see this latest civil war as perhaps an opportunity to take their country back.
Ousted PM left Libya on way to 'another European country' By Jomana Karadsheh and Steve Almasy, CNN updated 9:12 PM EDT, Wed March 12, 2014
Tripoli, Libya (CNN) -- The whereabouts of ousted Libyan Prime Minister Ali Zeidan were a mystery Wednesday after he flew out of the country the night before, despite a prosecutor's order he not leave after his removal from office.
Zeidan was in Malta late Tuesday on a refueling stop for about two hours while en route to "another European country," Maltese Prime Minister Joseph Muscat said in televised remarks.
As of Wednesday, it was unclear which country that was or if he had arrived there.
Libya's acting Prime Minister and Minister of Defense Abdullah al-Thinni told reporters Wednesday that -- despite the prosecutor's order -- there was no ban and Zeidan was free to leave.
"If there is a warrant ... if he is wanted by the judiciary, he can return and be held accountable according to the law and international norms. And this is not considered fleeing," al-Thinni said, contradicting an earlier statement from the Ministry of Justice.
Hours earlier, the North African country's parliament dismissed the prime minister after rebels in eastern Libya said a tanker loaded with oil from a port under their control escaped a naval blockade and moved into international waters.
Libya's prosecutor general said in Tripoli he had banned Zeidan from traveling abroad because of an investigation relating to a payment the government allegedly made last year to an armed group blocking oil ports in the east.
A copy of the travel ban, dated March 11, was posted on his press office's Facebook page marked "urgent and important."
"We order placing the aforementioned in the monitoring database and banning him from travel until he appears for the investigation," said the order, addressed to the head of Libya's immigration department.
Oil chaos
The vote of no-confidence came after Zeidan's failure to stop rebels from exporting oil independently, the latest challenge in the vast desert nation's bumpy transition.
The Libyan government said late Monday it had taken control of the North Korean-flagged tanker, Morning Glory, as it tried to leave the Al-Sidra port in eastern Libya, and after having briefly exchanged fire with rebels. However, in a sign of the chaos and conflicting information typical for Libya, the rebels rejected the assertion.
On Wednesday, al-Thinni said the tanker was at sea where Libyan military forces fired on it until they were called off by the U.S. Navy for fear of an environmental disaster. The oil tanker managed to sail away despite a fire on board, he said.
A spokesman for Egypt's military, Col. Ahmed Ali, said on Wednesday that its navy will monitor Egyptian waters for the oil tanker.
If the Egyptian navy finds the Morning Glory in Egyptian waters, authorities will demand to board and inspect the vessel to verify that the ship's cargo is legal and properly authorized, Ali said.
Egyptian authorities will detain the ship if they find it to be violating of any laws or regulations.
A North Korean state news agency said that while the ship had been temporarily flagged in North Korea, it is operated by the Golden East Logistics Company in Alexandria, Egypt. KCNA also wrote that North Korea notified the International Maritime Organization that the ship owners had violated North Korean law. It said Pyongyang had canceled and deleted the ship's registry
quote:Originally posted by kikuyu22: Gaddafi was a complex man,not easy to write about. He did want a better continent and many disagreed with his tactics.
I think gaddafi was complex very much.
Peregrine
The Nigerian, Ghanaian, Kenyan, Ethiopian, Sudanese, Egyptian, Moroccan, and South African security establishment simply knew him as a fake revolutionary. A sword of the Rothschild family in Africa. The seed of confusion and destruction...
In the aftermath of his misfortune that is certainly a believable proposition.
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quote:Originally posted by Peregrine: I think Gaddafi was complex very much.
It is an indication of just how far Black Africa still has to go, that anyone took him seriously.
Then again, the fact that he was paying off the Black tribes in the desert, may have given him credibility with Black Africa.
Interesting there is some truth to the gullibility of many Africans amongst many things I tend to think the systematic trauma has played a BIG part in their psychological rationale as it would most human beings under those circumstances.
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quote:Originally posted by Peregrine: Interesting there is some truth to the gullibility of many Africans amongst many things I tend to think the systematic trauma has played a BIG part in their psychological rationale as it would most human beings under those circumstances.
What trauma and circumstances might that be?
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Damn - Them (bad-assed) niggers in Libya are amazing me!
Libyan rebel leader calls U.S. Navy "pirates" after tanker seized Reuters By Ulf Laessing and Ayman al-Warfalli March 18, 2014 3:39 PM
TRIPOLI/BENGHAZI, Libya (Reuters) - A Libyan rebel leader accused the United States on Tuesday of behaving like pirates after U.S. naval forces seized an oil-laden tanker that had sailed from a rebel-held port in the east of the chaotic North African state.
Ibrahim Jathran
Ibrahim Jathran's defiant speech dampened hopes of a quick peaceful settlement with Libya's central government to end a blockage of three oil ports his men took over in summer to press for eastern autonomy and a greater share of oil revenues.
The conflict reflects wider chaos in Libya where the government has been struggling to rein in militias that helped overthrow dictator Muammar Gaddafi in 2011 but kept their guns to become powerful political players.
On Sunday, U.S. forces stormed a tanker that had made it as far as the eastern Mediterranean off Cyprus after loading crude at the Es Sider port, one of three Jahtran's men have occupied, and eluding Libyan government forces off-shore. The ship is now on its way back to a government-controlled port.
The Tripoli government has given Jahtran's group two weeks to clear the ports or face a military offensive to end the port blockage, which has crippled the OPEC country's finances.
But in a speech broadcast by a rebel television station, Jathran did not mention a government offer to hold new talks and said his group would continue its struggle.
"We will continue our fight for our right to dream of a better tomorrow for our children and families," said Jathran, calling for the United Nations and Arab League to intervene to help the people of eastern Libya.
"We urge the United States government to refrain from siding with the extremists currently holding power in Tripoli," he said, describing the U.S. navy operation as "piracy".
"We call on the U.S. authorities to guarantee the safety of our sons on board and of the entire crew, and to ensure that the tanker is promptly returned to us," he said, confirming that his men had boarded the ship after loading oil.
Jathran, based in Ajdabiya in eastern Libya, defended his repeated attempts to bypass Tripoli in selling oil. "We declare and confirm that, indeed, the majority of Libyan tribes have agreed to the necessity of taking hold of our resources for the benefit of the people," Jathran said.
While Jathran's oil sale proved unsuccessful this time, the episode led to the dismissal of Libyan Prime Minister Ali Zeidan, who fled to Europe last week.
Western powers, worried that Libya might fracture or slide deeper into anarchy, have been training Libyan armed forces and cajoling conflicting parties in government to work together, to little avail.
But diplomats say the nascent army would struggle in any case to take on Jathran's men, who helped overthrow Gaddafi. He defected last year as head of a state oil protection force, taking with him his armed men.
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Man Mike, This story is just getting bigger and bigger. Now The East AND the West are fighting in Libya against the Muslim Brotherhood:
Partition of Libya looms as fight for oil sparks vicious new divide
Chris Stephen
The Observer, Sunday 16 March 2014
A rebel under Ibrahim Jathran holds the Cyrenaica flag while standing on a boat at Es Sider port. Photograph: Esam Al-Fetori/Reuters
No one paid much attention to the 21,000-tonne oil tanker Morning Glory as it churned back and forth along the north African coast earlier this month. Tankers are a common sight, carrying Libya's oil exports around the world. But on 1 March it switched off its satellite transponder and vanished from world shipping maps.
Eight days later it appeared at Libya's biggest oil port, Es Sider, blockaded since the summer by a rebel militia. Within a week its arrival would see a prime minister sacked and Libya on the brink of civil war.
Four hundred miles away in the capital Tripoli, prime minister Ali Zeidan, 63, a lawyer and former dissident based in Geneva, was alarmed. He had come to the job 15 months before with high expectations. Libya, freed with Nato help from the Muammar Gaddafi dictatorship, had everything going for it, with Africa's largest oil reserves and only 6 million people to share the wealth.
Instead, he had endured a bruising ride. Forty years of brutal, idiosyncratic dictatorship had left the country on its knees. Schools, hospitals, roads, pensions, commerce, the courts and police needed an urgent overhaul and he lacked the trained civil servants to do it. Worse, he was at loggerheads with the Islamist-led Congress that appointed him. When a militia briefly kidnapped him for six hours in October, he emerged to accuse the Muslim Brotherhood, whose Justice and Construction party leads the Islamist coalition, of "undermining" him. Since then, Islamists and a growing body of allies had campaigned to sack him, blaming Zeidan for Libya's woes. Worse still, the militias that had won the revolution were now fighting each other in a bewildering array of shifting alliances, deepening an economic malaise and scaring off foreign investors.
But the arrival of the Morning Glory was more serious still. Oil and gas account for 95% of government revenues, and most Libyans depend on the state for salaries or handouts. Since the summer, militias in the east and west of the country had blockaded oil ports and fields, demanding more oil cash for the regions and slashing energy production. That had been bad enough. The prospect of the eastern rebels actually selling the oil promised disaster. Normally taciturn and professorial, Zeidan threatened to attack the tanker and sink it if it tried to leave.
In Es Sider, Ibrahim Jathran, 33-year-old leader of the rebels, was unflustered, greeting the Morning Glory's arrival with celebrations that included slaughtering a camel on the quayside. Charismatic and tough, he made his name leading a militia in the revolution and was later appointed head of the army's oil protection force. Last year he set up the Cyrenaica Political Bureau, named after the eastern province that contains two-thirds of the country's oil, and seized key oil terminals. Many Cyrenaicans were ambivalent, agreeing the east needed more state help, but unsure this unelected body was the way to get it. Opponents accuse Jathran of planning a breakaway state, something his supporters deny.
"All of this is against the Muslim Brotherhood, not against ordinary Tripolitanians," said Jathran's spokesman, Essam Jimani. "We don't want independence. But if the Muslim Brotherhood are too powerful and it led to civil war, we would be forced to become an independent state."
The arrival of the Morning Glory also rang alarm bells in the west. Libya was already a worry, with the growing presence of Islamist radicals and waves of migrants from sub-Saharan Africa using it as a springboard for Europe. Nato was the midwife for Libya's Arab spring revolution, its bombing devastating Gaddafi's forces, and a descent into anarchy would affect the reputations of Barack Obama and David Cameron, prime movers in that war.
Now a new reason was emerging for keeping Libya stable; its gas, piped to Italy, was a valuable alternative source of energy to a European Union dependent on supplies from an ever more erratic Russia. Western diplomats liked Zeidan: some conceded he lacked charisma, but they saw in him a liberal mediating force between Libya's factions. And London, Paris and Washington agreed that Congress should be supported as the vital underpinning of Libyan democracy.
While Morning Glory was taking on oil, US ambassador Deborah Jones declared that Jathran's actions amounted to "theft from the Libyan people". Last Monday, unperturbed by threats against it, the tanker, loaded with a cargo valued at £20m, slipped her moorings and a new factor entered the equation: the weather.
Howling winds, driving rain and heavy seas met the Morning Glory as she put to sea. Zeidan ordered armed forces to intercept, only to find the cupboard almost bare. Libya's few major warships were upside-down in Tripoli harbour, the result of Nato bombing in the revolution. Its air force was in near mutiny over changes to its command, with three air bases in open revolt, and no bombers took to the air. Instead Zeidan turned to the Libya Shield, a loose alliance of revolutionary militias. A unit in Misrata, 280 miles up the coast, commandeered a tugboat, lashed jeeps mounted with rocket launchers and anti-aircraft guns to the decks, and set sail.
The tug caught up with the Morning Glory, a TV crew on board filming the firing of Grad rockets, to the whoops and cheers of the crew, aimed at the tanker. Several can be seen splashing into the sea, but at least one appears to hit its target. The footage then captured a remarkable conversation, in English, between the two captains:
Morning Glory: "Don't fire, don't fire. We have security on board we cannot do anything."
Gunboat captain: "We are not firing. Could you change the course to Misrata, please. Have you taken your map to see Misrata port, please?"
Morning Glory: "I cannot do anything, the security on the bridge, the security on the bridge, with the guns. Security on the bridge with the guns, they cannot let me do anything, please don't fire, please don't fire."
The exchange seemed to validate government claims that gunmen were holding the Morning Glory crew hostage, but the tanker outpaced the tug, which later encountered a patrolling US warship. Jathran had won.
In Tripoli the rebel triumph was the last straw for Congress, which sacked Zeidan, replacing him with former defence minister Abdullah al-Thani. Hours later, prosecutors charged Zeidan with corruption and issued a travel ban. The stage was set for a dramatic escape. At 9pm a private jet landed at Tripoli international airport, the pilot telling the control tower he was picking up diplomats. The plane parked on the VIP apron, but when a passport official turned up to check the passengers he was restrained by security guards while Zeidan got on the plane. It took off and headed for Germany, where Zeidan insisted he was innocent of corruption and denounced his sacking as a "falsification", claiming only 113 members voted to sack him, fewer than the minimum 120 required. He promised to return one day to Libya, but that may be some way off.
On Saturday night, giving his first full-length interview since his ousting, Zeidan said he fled the country after friends warned him his life was in danger, and accused Islamists of being responsible for his sacking. Speaking from Germany to a private Libyan TV station, he accused the Muslim Brotherhood of wanting to "impose its will" on Libya and repeated his claim, denied by Congress, that his removal was unconstitutional.
Congress, insisting its dismissal was lawful, decided on bold action. Misratan-led Libya Shield units, the most powerful in the country, raced east down the coastal highway to capture the rebel-held ports, running into a unit, not of rebels, but of army special forces at the coastal town of Sirte. In confused fighting five soldiers were killed, four incinerated when their vehicle was hit. Photographs of their badly burned bodies being returning to Cyrenaica spread across social media, inflaming public anger. A mixed force of Jathran's rebels, Cyrenaican militias and army units complete with howitzers was deployed at the Red Wadi, a valley blocking approaches to the ports.
Trouble spread across the country. In the western mountains, next to Tunisia, the Zintan militia, allies of Zeidan, denounced his sacking and mobilised. The Zintan militia is second only to the pro-Congress Misrata militia in strength, and both are more powerful than Libya's tiny regular army. Zintani and Misratan militia units have frequently clashed in Tripoli, vying for control of key bases. Zintan also lies along the gas and oil pipelines carrying oil from western Libya to the coast. In concert with ethnic Berbers to the north and Tobu tribesmen to the south, it has periodically cut pipelines and occupied oilfields. Were it to side with Jathran's forces in the east, it would leave the central government facing an almost total oil blockade, and the prospect of resistance on two fronts.
Adding to the confusion, leaders in the southern province of Fezzan met to consider breaking away from government control, while in Tripoli a militia stormed, looted and burned the HQ of the second infantry brigade. On Thursday, Congress speaker Nuri Abu Sahmain intervened, giving rebels two weeks to vacate the oil terminals in a bid to bring calm. Tribal elders from east and west met, hoping to find a breathing space.
But that space is limited. The Islamists in Congress have strengthened their hand by sacking Zeidan, but at the risk of polarising the opposition. Congress is itself denounced by many for staying in office after its mandate expired last month, despite MPs arguing that Libya must have a parliament until the elections this summer. Many think a breakup is now a possibility.
"Current conditions seem heavily stacked against a political solution," said Oliver Coleman, an analyst with British risk consultant Maplecroft. "There is an absence of any genuinely unifying figure to act as a bridge between Libya's factions. An Islamist-dominated Congress will find it extremely difficult to reach a negotiated settlement with Jathran, given his renowned animosity to the Muslim Brotherhood."
Jathran's rebels have vowed to hold the Red Wadi, in what some see as a de facto partition of Libya. Among those seeking dialogue is Hassan El Amin, a Misratan former dissident who quit Congress and fled back to Britain in 2012, saying he had had death threats. He is now calling for the UN to mediate. "The west should realise the issue in Libya can get really out of hand, they don't want another Syria. When we were fighting Gaddafi they [the west] came in together. We need them again."
As forces gather either side of the Red Wadi and Libyans prepare for more violence, one question remains unanswered – the fate of the Morning Glory. It was last seen late last week going east along the Egyptian coast, destination unknown. By then it hardly mattered, as news broke that a second tanker was heading for rebel-held ports.
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