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Tell us more Tukuler, about the fula tribe that is Jewish. Where can such be found in Africa...
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quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: Torodbe brains over blood
I know the Torodbes. Dangerous group:
quote: The Torodbe (singular Torodo[a]; also called Turudiyya, Banu Toro) were Muslim clerics who were active in the Western Sudan region of Africa during the eighteenth century. Their teachings in part inspired the series of jihads that the Fulbe launched at that time.
I know them as the most radical of African Muslims... can you show us the Jews/Hebrews amongst the Torodbes?
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Omar ibn Said (1770–1864) was a writer and Islamic scholar, born and educated in what is now Senegal, who was enslaved and transported to the United States. There, while enslaved for the remainder of his life, he wrote a series of works of history and theology, including a subsequently famous autobiography.
Omar ibn Said was born in present-day Senegal in Futa Tooro,[1] a region along the Middle Senegal River in West Africa, to a wealthy family.[2] He was an Islamic scholar and a Fula who spent 25 years of his life studying with prominent Muslim scholars, learning subjects ranging from arithmetic to theology in Africa. In 1807, he was captured during a military conflict, enslaved and taken across the Atlantic Ocean to the United States. He escaped from a cruel master in Charleston, South Carolina, and journeyed to Fayetteville, North Carolina. There he was recaptured and later sold to James Owen. Said lived into his mid-nineties and was still a slave at the time of his death in 1864. He was buried in Bladen County, North Carolina. Omar ibn Said was also known as Uncle Moreau and Prince Omeroh.
Omar ibn Said is widely known for fourteen manuscripts that he wrote in Arabic. Out of all of his Arabic manuscripts, he is best known for his autobiographical essay written in 1831
Although Omar converted to Christianity on December 3, 1820, many modern scholars believe he continued to be a practicing Muslim ___________________________________
The Autobiography of Umar ibn Sa`id ‘t-Turuudi:As Anthropological Evidence of the Rights for Self-Determination for Enslaved African Muslims translated byAbu Alfa Muhammad Shareef
It is said that the origin of the Turudbe are from the Jews. It is said that they are from the Christians. It is said that they are from the Bambara from among the Sudanese who came and settled between the Nile and Euphrates rivers. It is said that they are from a band of the Banu Israel who relocated from the region of Sinai to the lands of Tuur. It is for this reason they are called Turudbe. Tuur is a land in the western part of Yemen. The most sound opinion is that they are the descendents of Ruum ibn `Esau ibn Ishaq ibn Ibrahim, (upon them be peace). They settled near the meeting of the two seas. Though some contemporary scholars dispute the above account, yet John Willis points out this need not be taken as a fatal objection to their claims of Arabic ancestry, or even for that matter Hebrew ancestry, as well. Here in this context, the Turudbe trace their lineage and origins back through the two sacred communities the Jews and the Christians and then on to the sacred covenant of Abraham, the father of the People of the Book. This is significant because the narrative of the covenant, the promise and the return becomes a motivating factor in the self-image of the Turudbe. This identity construct becomes what Ibn Khaldun would call the point of solidarity (asabiyya) that binds the Turudbe and provides them with a philosophy in their historical consciousness. It gives them their reason for being and what Nietzche would call the will to power. Abdullahi Dan Fuduye places Turudbe genesis deep within the ethos of the Bani Israel when he said: The origin of the entire Fullaatiyeen (Fulbe) ethnicity comes from the geographical area of Mount Sinai (Tuur Sina). They thereafter persisted in migrating from place to place until they reached the lands of the far west (aqsal-maghrib) and to the lands that Allah ta`ala had willed for them to reach. This positing of the Turudbe in the sacred mount where the Torah was originally revealed to Prophet Musa (Moses) provides them with the mechanism for organizing their collective experience around the Creator and infuses them with divine purpose and destiny. This self-image will be played out repeatedly throughout the long history of the Turudbe in every region of Africa where they settled. This concept will reemerge again among the enslaved descendents of the Turudbe in the Americas as well. Building on the Abrahamic line signification, Abdullahi Dan Fuduye traces the Turudbe to ar-Ruum who was a descendent of both Ishaq and Isma`il, the two sons of Abraham. Thus, assuring for his ethnicity a complete fulfillment of the covenant given by the Creator to Abraham. Abdullahi says: You also know that this ar-Ruum is the son of `Esau ibn Ishaq ibn Ibrahim, upon them be peace. His mother was Nasmat the daughter of Ismail ibn Ibrahim, upon him be peace. Dhun-Nasibeen said in his Kitabt-Tanweer: Isma`il fathered twelve boys and one girl and it was from his descendents that all the Arabs descended. When he approached death he bequeathed to his brother, Ishaq, that his son, `Esau should be married to his daughter, and from their marriage ar-Ruum was born. Ar-Ruum was yellowish in color for which reason his children were called the Banu al-Asfar. It is interesting to note that the Turudbe trace their lineage to two sons whose birthright has been in question. One being Ishmail, the first born son of Abraham and the African/Nubian woman, Hajar; and the other was Esau, the grandson of Abraham through his second born son, Ishaq. According to the Bible, `Esau, the first born of Is`haq, first had his birthright taken by his younger brother, Jacob. Then through the deception their mother, Jacob was able to attain the blessings that was destined for `Esau. Ishmail was the first born of Ibrahim, yet Ishaq is said by the Jews to have received the covenant of blessing from his father. Ishmail, on the other hand was overlooked and treated like an unwanted and rejected son. This is significant, because it lays the foundation for two other identity-constructs: that of the lost tribe and the rejected stone. The Lost Tribe referent is a key element in the identity construct for the Bani Israel because it opens the hope of future redemption and affirmation after rejection and spiritual fall of the scattered tribes. The referent of the Rejected Stone takes its origin from a people who were despised and discarded due to some outward or inward imperfection, yet the Creator chose them, redeemed them and made them the Corner Stone of a New Spiritual World. This signification will be seen throughout history of the Turudbe, especially in the Diaspora of the Americas. This self-image laid the foundation for the individual and collective quest for authenticity among the Turudbe, giving them a common historical experience that provided them with a frame of reference that was stable and continuous. One of my Turudbe teachers in the Republic of the Sudan, Bashir ibn Ahmad ibn Modi Abdu in his an-Nasab wa s-Sahr attempted to clarify this discrepancy in the following story when he related the story of the Turudbe
The identity construct of the Turudbe Fulbe, thus arrives at its origin, where they descend from the sacred line of Abraham, from his two sons, Isma`il and Ishaq. The Turudbe further amalgamated their line back into the line of the source house of Isma`il, to whom the last Messenger and Prophet, would be sent, the House of Quraysh. This assured them the right to self-rule and independence and the right of autonomous leadership among the Muslims. The identity construct of the Turudbe being as it is connected to the Abrahamic line includes the blessings of the covenant, but also comprises the promise of affliction. This is a reflection again on the concept of the tried stone and the concept of sacrifice that is so essential in the identity construct of the Abrahamic tradition. The idea of rejection and being made a stumbling block for the nations comprise the core belief system of the Bani Israel and it is reflected in the supreme sacrifice that Abraham was called upon by Allah to perform. This self-sacrifice becomes the means by which nations will be judged and rewarded. The same stone that was a stumbling block for many and was rejected by oppressive nations would become the corner stone of a New World. This identity construct becomes the most powerful element of defense in the face of social and cultural aggression. The oppression itself becomes a form of purification, edification, atonement and preparation for a new just and equitable social order. The Bible narrates this affliction in the Book of Genesis: And He said to Abram: Know of a surety that your seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years. And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance. The sojourn of the Bani Isra`il in bondage in Egypt was only one aspect of the fulfillment of Divine prophecy. In order for the prophecy to be truly fulfilled all of the seed of Abraham would of necessity have to go through the same purifying fire of exile, bondage and oppression. They would remain in this condition until the return of the Messiah of the house of Abraham who said: I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Isra`il. We come now to the illustrious and benevolent Turudbe Muslim, Alfa Umar ibn Sayyid. Perhaps more than anyone else among the enslaved Turudbe Fulbe descendents of the Abrahamic line, Umar constitutes the best example of the persistence of an identity construct because of the extensive Arabic writing he has bequeathed to us. There is much controversy connected with him, because the Anglo-American writers have claimed that he had accepted Christianity. However, when careful examination is made of his writings, the evidence proves the contrary. Umar ibn Sayyid was born in 1770 in Futa Toro, the original home of the Fulbe speaking ethnic groups known as Tukulur or Turudbe. He was born as he said in his Autobiography: The place of my birth was Futa Toro (which lay) between the two rivers This region was for many centuries under the sovereignty of the Takrur, Malian and Songhai empires, respectively. With the Moroccan/Portuguese invasion and sacking of the Songhay empire in 1592, many Turudbe speaking scholars took up the banner of jihad and attempted to establish Islamic government throughout the regions of the bilads-sudan in general and in Futa in particular. From 1599 until 1670 the Denianke Fulbe ethnicty ruled the area. The spiritual leader at that time was a Qaadiri Imam named Malik Sy. The decline of the Denianke was the result of the European slave trade.
Another momentous proof of Umars persistence in Islamic belief and practice was his evoking of the first chapter of the Quran in his Autobiography. Again, due to the fact that the transmission of learning in the regions in which Umar lived is well known, we can say with certainty that during his twenty five years of intensified study, he had to have read the Tafseer l-Jallalayn. This fundamental text of Quranic exegesis was the first and the most renowned tafseer that was transmitted in that region of the bilads-sudan. It is significant to know that the tafseer (commentary) upon the last verse of the al-Faathiha rendered by the al-Jalalayn and all seminal tafaaseer is the following: Not among those who have earned anger, these are the Jews. Nor who have gone astray, these are the Christians. Because Umar had to have known the classical commentary upon this important chapter, which is an obligation for every Muslim to know and recite in his prayers - it goes without saying that his reason for citing it was to demonstrate his continued adherence to the faith of Islam. Another tafseer that was famous and in widespread use in the lands of the Turudbe was the work of Abdullahi Dan Fuduye called Diya t-Taweel Fi Ma`ana t-Tanzeel. In this text he adds, It is as though Allah is saying There is no anger upon them nor are they astray. Astray here means to deviate from the even path intentionally or by mistake. The word astray is intensified with the negative particle لا (nor) in order to separate between the two ways in order that everyone can avoid both of them. This is because the path of the people of true faith encompasses both knowledge of the truth and acting in accordance with it. The Jews have lost acting in accordance with the truth and the Christians have lost the knowledge of the truth. It for this reason that the divine anger is against the Jews and being astray is against the Christians. This is due to the fact that whoever knows the truth and neglects acting in accordance with it, deserves anger, in contrast to the one who does not know the truth. The bottom line is that both the Jews and the Christians are astray and have earned divine anger. However the Jews have been distinguished with the attributes of divine anger and the Christians have been distinguished with being astray. It has been related on the authority of the prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, Those who have earned divine anger are the Jews. Those who are astray are the Christians.
Please allow the expert to speak and save me your gibberish.
Most African Muslims trace descent to Abraham via Mohammed Quraysh. We have beaten this issue to death here.
But the fact that they claim descent from Ibrahim does not mean they claim to be Hebrews. It simply means that most of them lay emphasis on their Quraysh family lineage.
Nothing to do with Judaism.
Where are their Jewish customs?
Where is their Torah, Talmud and Mishna?
Where are their synagogues?
Where are their Rabbis?
Where is the Jewish community located today?
I can show you their Muslim culture and tradition and holy books.
Can you show me their Jewism?
quote: It is said that they are from a band of the Banu Israel who relocated from the region of Sinai to the lands of Tuur. It is for this reason they are called Turudbe. Tuur is a land in the western part of Yemen. The most sound opinion is that they are the descendents of Ruum ibn `Esau ibn Ishaq ibn Ibrahim, (upon them be peace).
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The identity construct of the Turudbe Fulbe, thus arrives at its origin, where they descend from the sacred line of Abraham, from his two sons, Isma`il and Ishaq. The Turudbe further amalgamated their line back into the line of the source house of Isma`il, to whom the last Messenger and Prophet, would be sent, the House of Quraysh. This assured them the right to self-rule and independence and the right of autonomous leadership among the Muslims.
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"It is said that they are from a band of the Banu Israel who relocated from the region of Sinai to the lands of Tuur. It is for this reason they are called Turudbe. Tuur is a land in the western part of Yemen."
Perhaps of little interest here, but historically the oldest tribe in Crimea were the Tauri, whom I link to the Horites (priestly caste, solar/water temples) and Horus mythology.
Possible links: torah(Hebrew:truth door) torii(Japanese:temple door) torus/tori(Greek?) donut form gyrus/gyre/gir(Amazight:river) Rim form chorus/chant/chime/time related to sundial Taurus Mtns., Taurus Cult, Tower of Babel Yemen - possibly from Semitic Yam (sea/pool) Zion(Hebrew) = Sion(Spanish)=Tien(Chinese)=(o)Cean(English) = cyan (blue sky/sea) = celestial/heaven
Note: The Black Sea's circulation patterns are primarily controlled by basin topography and fluvial inputs, which result in a strongly stratified vertical structure. Because of the extreme stratification, it is classified as a salt wedge estuary. Mean surface circulation is cyclonic and waters around the perimeter of the Black Sea circulate in a basin-wide shelfbreak gyre known as the Rim Current . The Rim Current has a maximum velocity of about 50–100 cm/s. Within this feature, two smaller cyclonic gyres operate, occupying the eastern and western sectors of the basin.[22] The Eastern and Western Gyres are well-organized systems in the winter but dissipate into a series of interconnected eddies in the summer and autumn. Mesoscale activity in the peripheral flow becomes more pronounced during these warmer seasons and is subject to interannual variability .
Outside of the Rim Current, numerous quasi-permanent coastal eddies are formed as a result of upwelling around the coastal apron and "wind curl" mechanisms. The intra-annual strength of these features is controlled by seasonal atmospheric and fluvial variations. During the spring, the Batumi eddy forms in the southeastern corner of the sea.[25]
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Graeco-Roman tradition refers to the Black Sea as the "Hospitable sea", Εὔξεινος Πόντος Eúxeinos Póntos. This is a euphemism replacing an earlier "Inhospitable Sea", Πόντος Ἄξεινος Póntos Áxeinos, first attested in Pindar (c. 475 BC). [Note: probably the older name axeinos meant ocean rather than inhospitable. DD]
Ancient trade routes in the region are currently[when?] being extensively studied by scientists, as the Black Sea was sailed by Hittites, Carians, Thracians, Greeks, Persians, Cimmerians, Scythians, Romans, Byzantines, Goths, Huns, Avars, Bulgars, Slavs, Varangians, Crusaders, Venetians, Genoese, Lithuanians, Georgians, Poles, Tatars, Ottomans, and Russians.
The steppes to the north of the Black Sea have been suggested as the original homeland (Urheimat) of the speakers of the Proto-Indo-European language, (PIE) the progenitor of the Indo-European language family, by some scholars such as Marija Gimbutas; others move the heartland further east towards the Caspian Sea, yet others to Anatolia. Numerous ancient ports, some older than the Egyptian pyramids,[citation needed] line the Black Sea's coasts. (Wikipedia)
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Professor John Coleman DeGraft-Johnson, the celebrated African historian from Ghana averred that Fulanis were already in Futa and Senegal when the Jews that fled from Cyrenaica as result of Romans persecution came to meet them. He asserted that "There is perhaps no group of people in Western Sudan with more Jewish blood in them than the pastoral Fulani in Futa. who, by mixing with the people of the shores of Lake Chad, passed on their Jewish blood to the areas around Kanem and Bornu several centuries later."
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Firstly, there is nothing like Jewish blood. Judaism is a religion practised by people of different nations from Russia to Ethiopia. So shut up!
Secondly, the Fulas claim they come from Yemen, not Israel. They claim their ancestor is Ibrahim and Ishmael. Ishmael never bore any Jew. He was the father of all the Muslims through Mohammed. So shut up already!
Thirdly, a Jew is known by his practise not blood. His circumcision, his torah, his talmud, his mishna, his rabbi and his synagogue.
Tukuler, you should show us the Jewish religion and custom of the Torodbays.
Where is their synagogue?
Where is their Talmud, Torah and Mishna?
Where is their Rabbi?
Where is the Jewish community living today?
And in any event, read and comprehend what the Prof. J.C. de graft said:
quote: Professor John Coleman DeGraft-Johnson, the celebrated African historian from Ghana averred that Fulanis were already in Futa and Senegal when the Jews that fled from Cyrenaica as result of Romans persecution came to meet them.
Fulanis are/were not Jews. They are the traditional Africans living in Africa for millenia. The Jews as usual are/were refugees... Posts: 7419 | From: North America | Registered: Mar 2009
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quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: Torodbe brains over blood
Torodbe Tukuler, let's talk about Jews...
.. and Muslims
quote: By the mid-nineteenth century, the Torodbe almamis in Senegambia had become hereditary oligarchies that imposed a harsh and oppressive rule on the people. The French provided political and economic support to the Torodbe leaders, who in return let the French build fortified posts along the Senegal valley.[26] Jihad leaders in the region who followed the Torodbe revolutionary tradition in the late nineteenth century included Maba Diakhou Bâ in the Gambia, Mahmadu Lamine in Senegal and Samori Ture who founded the short-lived Wassoulou Empire in what is now Guinea. These men attempted to overthrow the Europeans and their allies in the cause of Islam , but were eventually defeated by superior forces. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torodbe[27]
Tukuler where are those Jews you come from?
Still waiting..
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Jihad, Terrorists, Koranic School and the Torodbe
quote: The religious shaykhs would live on payments ... for their religious services. A shaykh would take care of children while they learned the Quran, but the children were expected to work or beg for the shaykh during this period. Other Torodbe lived through farming or herding, although the work was left to inferiors. Wealth was accumulated in the form of slaves, firearms, cloth and hardware. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torodbe
quote: Boko Haram's campaign of attacking places of learning is consistent with its credo that western education is a sin - the group only recognizes the ancient form of Koranic education.
they are from a band of the Banu Israel who relocated from the region of Sinai to the lands of Tuur. It is for this reason they are called Turudbe. Tuur is a land in the western part of Yemen. The most sound opinion is that they are the descendents of Ruum ibn `Esau ibn Ishaq ibn Ibrahim, (upon them be peace).
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Abdullahi Dan Fuduye places Turudbe genesis deep within the ethos of the Bani Israel when he said: The origin of the entire Fullaatiyeen (Fulbe) ethnicity comes from the geographical area of Mount Sinai (Tuur Sina). They thereafter persisted in migrating from place to place until they reached the lands of the far west (aqsal-maghrib) and to the lands that Allah ta`ala had willed for them to reach. This positing of the Turudbe in the sacred mount where the Torah was originally revealed to Prophet Musa (Moses) provides them with the mechanism for organizing their collective experience around the Creator and infuses them with divine purpose and destiny. This self-image will be played out repeatedly throughout the long history of the Turudbe in every region of Africa where they settled. This concept will reemerge again among the enslaved descendents of the Turudbe in the Americas as well.
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Liar, there are no Torodbe Jews. Only Muslims. Read:
quote: The Torodbe Homeland - The Imamate of Futa Toro
The Imamate of Futa Toro (1776-1861) was a pre-colonial West African theocratic state of the Fula-speaking people (Fulɓe and Toucouleurs) centered on the middle valley of the Senegal River. The region is known as Futa Toro...
Torodbe and the Emergence of a Semi-ethnic Islamic Identity
Torodbe is considered an excellent model for the illustration of Islamic influence on the formation of identities in Africa, since this section has developed through a purely Islamic formation out of the remnants of freed and runaway slaves, who used to live under the yoke of injustice and exploitation by the class of warriors in Sudan lands.
In light of this oppression, Islam alone would be the element uniting the Torodbe, in which they found an outlet and a safe refuge through which to get rid of such condition.
Nothing is more indicative of what is stated above than the appellation itself, as the verb “torade” in the Fulbe language means “to ask”, while “Torodo” – singular of Torodbe – indicates supplication, asking or begging.
This refers to a group of the Torodbe that formed as a result of Islamic scholarly and missionary activity that emerged in the region of the Western Sudan.
Then, students would gather in scholarly sessions and Sufi centers around Sheikhs to receive knowledge and to carry out missionary tasks and handicrafts, in which they engaged, knowing that they were marked for their ascetic life.
Among their educational methods was that students would roam the villages begging. They are called “Torodo” in the Fulfulde language, of the Fulani, or “Toronkawa“ in the Hausa language, meaning beggars.
So, this description has become a designation for them, and they are known in Islamic literatures, in West Africa, as “Turudiyya” or “Torodbe”.
Craft of Islam is the one that ensured solidarity and cohesion for the Torodbe, and in turn their state to social power and distinction Such description is in fact no more than a name for a specific tribe, though it mostly designates the Fulani and specific scholarly and missionary clans, including the Bari clans affiliating with Shaykh Ahmadu, the Tall clans affiliating with Umar Tall, and the Sī clans affiliating with Shaykh Mālik Sī. Distinctive Characteristics of the Torodbe
There is no tribal source that unites them: Rather, they are a mixture of diasporic tribes that suffered slavery, including Kunta, Fulbe, Jakhanki, Manding Hausa, Sarakhuliyya, Wolof, Seres Ibo, in the region surrounding the Senegal River or what is now known as Senegambia.
- Speaking in the Fulfulde (Fulani language) and Arabic literacy for the proficient among them. So, Fulfulde was the common language among them, while Arabic was the language of correspondences or the like.
- Dedication to knowledge seeking and preaching, and to trade in itinerant groups: They abandoned handicrafts and professions that are considered lowly in Futa Turo community, like “somono (sea fishing)”, “sulbalbe (folk medicine)”, “bailo (smithery), and the like of handicrafts.
In John Ralph’s terms, the “craft of Islam”, that is knowledge and Da`wah, is the one that ensured solidarity and cohesion for the Torodbe, and in turn their turn from the state of inferiority into a state of social power and distinction.
For, the quality of knowledgablility was then, in the seventeenth century, the shortest means to advancement on the social ladder in the Sudanese land.
Rather, the Torodbe came to power by establishing an Islamic caliphate that was known as “Almamy (of the Imams’ State)”, as their leaders used to work as Sheikhs, scholars and Imams.
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Since I have clearly posited Fulani origins in the Green Sahara fully 8000 years before the Hebrew literature character Y*hudah was invented anyone saying otherwise about me has other issues at work and is not at all interested in either Fulani origins or exodes of Bani Israil in the west of northern Africa all of which I've dealt with quite extensively over the past decade.
I have no time to waste on pastiche polemics of one who will brush aside what ever I write since that one's aim is not knowledge but put down.
We are left to wonder indeed what Nigerian ethny this fool claims as his own and why he himself panders to a so-called 'Abrahamic' way of life as is Rastafari in favor of something Jamaican that is non-'Abrahamic' like Pocomania or whatever.
You can't be what you can't be and so in crisis is your identity * Rasta * Muur (a complete fantasy designation unknown to any scholarship) * Nigerian * non-African Black European * whatever pops into his excuse for a mind next week
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quote:Originally posted by IronLion: What is wrong with you lying pink-white kids???
What is it about assuming African identities in Jooish kids like Ausar, Lionese, and Tukuler???
What is it that makes you so ashamed of who you are?
Is it the pink ass?
What is your fantasy with Africa and Africans, and African-Americans, the original MUURS?
Where are your ethnic Jooish Fulani family in West Africa you silly FBI agent?
Here are the true Muslim ethnic Fulanis of Africa:
Where is your Jooish ethnic Fulani tribe? Show me your tribe in Africa?
Onye asi, oloshi buruku!
It probably has to do with feelings of inferiority.Afro-Americans, even when they had nothing still wrote their own histories and supported it with superior research, e.g., DuBois , J.A. Rogers, John Jackson and etc.These scholars illustrated that Blacks played the major role in civilizing other populations. Jews are jealous because while Blacks founded civilization, their role has been one of contributionism e.g., they played a role in Moorish Spain, or Christian Europe.
This is why white liberals like Tukuler and lioness, unite with racialist like Doxie to attack Afrocentrism. Doxie, because she feels history makes her feel inferior to African and Black people, while Tukuler is jealous his people are great business people--but play no role in the rise of world civilization. Sadly,they have contributed nothing significant to world history. Please correct me if I am wrong. They know that the most dangerous site to white self-esteem is Mike's RealHistory. Realhistory is terrifying to whites because he gives a fine summary of Black history with the pictorial evidence to support his claims.
Tukuler is jealous of me because I can publish peer reviewed articles proving the great role Blacks played in history. He is especially jealous that I am now publishing articles on genetics bringing out the true relationship between Black Nationalities in Africa, Eurasia and the Americas.
He knows that a Comment or letter to the Editor can play an important role in stimulating science and a historical paradigm. For example the most frequently cited paper on the M1 haplogroup is Quintana-Murci, L., O. Semino, H.J. Bandelt, G.Passarino, K. McElreavey and A.S. SantachiaraBenerecetti(1999) Genetic evidence of an early exit of Homo sapiens sapiens from Africa through eastern Africa. Nat. Genet., 23(4): 437-441, this paper was a letter to the Editor http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10581031 .
The Quintana-Murci, letter is cited in 446 related publications. As you can see a letter to the Editor can play an important role in furthering science. Tukuler wants to downplay my letters in BioMed, BioEassay, PLoS and etc., to make weakbacked negroes here at ES feel afraid to cite my work.
Harvard University began inside a house. The only difference between my Uthman dan Fodio Institute, and when Harvard was founded is that rich Afro-Americans do not support historical research and institutions of Higher Learning. Even the so-called Negro Colleges would not exist if not for the Government monies used to support them.
The major institution for the study of ancient history is the Oriental Institute. The Oriental Institute is primarially funded by rich whites. That's why the promote the idea the Egyptians were white. They do this because it allows rich whites to identify with an ancient population.
Afro-Americans play a dual role for people belonging to Tukuler's tribe.
Firstly, Afro-Americans are used by this population as symbols of poverty that they uplift via their liberalism. For example, they use the social service agencies they found--for their children to use as research centers, to collect data for their children to write PhD thesis, to establish themselves as "experts" in the social science and historical field. For example, while Afro-Americans founded the study of Afro-American history,by the 1960'the major writers and professors were all Jews. LOL, although the modern major Afrocentric writer of the 20th Century was Anta Diop, today Bernal and his Black Athena, is recognized in the Academe as the major proponent of Afrocentrism. I believe that Bernal is a British Jew.
The second role of Afro-Americans is their use by the media as examples of Barbarians always involved in crime and murder. They do this, to try and transfer European hate of the "Other", which usually they place on Jews ( and led to the Nazis trying to exterminate Jews) on to Afro-Americans. The media does successfully increase racism directed at Afros, but non-Jewism whites continue to see Jews as the larger threat.
I bet the students Tukuler teaches in his Black Literature classes would be surprised at how he attacks Afrocentrism at ES. At his University, he is one of the "major" white liberals.
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Where is your African Jooish family you liar!
For 10 years on this board, you claimed you come from a tribe in Africa that still practiced Judaism..
You talked about your grandfather who was a practising Jew in Africa..
You boasted about the Jewish traditions of the your tribal Torodbe Fulani. Haal'pulareen..lol!
Now put up or shut up!!!
Where are they, you frigging liar?
I am a true West African Muur! I know of no Torodbe Fulani Jooish tribe.
Show them to us or admit you are a liar!
Just like fake Ausar the fake Egyptian you are a fake Fulani Jooish... lol
Show us the "Pulareeen Jews" you frigging pink ass New York Jew liard!
PUT UP OR SHUT UP!
Ironlion the fake Tukuler never thought you would uncover he was a liar about the Fulani. Just think about it. He would still be able to manifest this lie if you had not uncovered the truth. Teach
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: As you can see Dr Clyde Winters, the man and his side kick Lionese are avoiding this thread like a plague.
But the truth is out.
If Tukuler says otherwise then he should put up or shut up.
No Muur lies!
How can he. His controllers have told him to shut down Mike at ES now that he is Mod.
The truth hurts but when you know something is true its hard to fight it.
Tukuler was a deep agent of "white liberals". His cover was an "Old G".
Tukuler gained the trust of people at ES and attempted to lead people to other sites he set up, but very few people followed him. As a result, when he became Mod, His ilk saw this as an opportunity to get the biggest threat to "white self-esteem" off the most popular Black oriented website on the internet: ES.
Tukuler and other white liberals noticed that in the past year at least four books were published using material from ES especially material found by Mike. This does not even take into account the numerous articles written by ES posters , and re-published on other sites.
This Caveman character is really Tukuler. He has many alias on ES and Egyptsearch Reloaded which he has accumulated over the years just in case of what is happening now. Tukuler is an outed agent of white supremacy so he will have to rebuild his character through a new Moniker.
There is an old saying, what is done in the dark, will one day come into the light of day. Thanks for showing us the true character of the white supremist Tukuler.
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: ..... Tukuler was a deep agent of "white liberals". His cover was an "Old G".
...
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A true under-cover.
But he forgot, the Muurish counter-espionage network;
They had him on file, under watch' for long...
The dossier is now free for all to read.
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Tukuler
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Since I have clearly posited Fulani origins in the Green Sahara fully 8000 years before the Hebrew literature character Y*hudah was invented anyone saying otherwise about me has other issues at work and is not at all interested in either Fulani origins or exodes of Bani Israil in the west of northern Africa all of which I've dealt with quite extensively over the past decade.
I have no time to waste on pastiche polemics of one who will brush aside what ever I write since that one's aim is not knowledge but put down.
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Man why waste energy on historical fiction when you could be writing TV scrpts like the crapola below. At last you've found your true calling.
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: As you can see Dr Clyde Winters, the man and his side kick Lionese are avoiding this thread like a plague.
But the truth is out.
If Tukuler says otherwise then he should put up or shut up.
No Muur lies!
How can he. His controllers have told him to shut down Mike at ES now that he is Mod.
The truth hurts but when you know something is true its hard to fight it.
Tukuler was a deep agent of "white liberals". His cover was an "Old G".
Tukuler gained the trust of people at ES and attempted to lead people to other sites he set up, but very few people followed him. As a result, when he became Mod, His ilk saw this as an opportunity to get the biggest threat to "white self-esteem" off the most popular Black oriented website on the internet: ES.
Tukuler and other white liberals noticed that in the past year at least four books were published using material from ES especially material found by Mike. This does not even take into account the numerous articles written by ES posters , and re-published on other sites.
This Caveman character is really Tukuler. He has many alias on ES and Egyptsearch Reloaded which he has accumulated over the years just in case of what is happening now. Tukuler is an outed agent of white supremacy so he will have to rebuild his character through a new Moniker.
There is an old saying, what is done in the dark, will one day come into the light of day. Thanks for showing us the true character of the white supremist Tukuler.
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Not a single cut and pasted quote not of a single thing I ever posted. Hmmm, why's that I wonder? Could it be someones making stuff up?
Somebody teach this fraudulent fool of a phony parody Naija boy the difference between the * bani Israil (people) and * Jews ('religious community')
Writing is for tyros. Adepts have oral traditions
Esau was red and HAIRY. Fulani are red and smooth.
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One can speculate on claims Fula have Hebrew ancestry or are Hebrews. However you can't establish a history of Jewish tradition being practiced by them, correct me if I'm wrong
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Fula are not Hebrews. Fula are Atlantic Niger-Congos.
After the 2nd C CE revolt in Cyrenaica, some Libyan Israelites and Y*hudiym, who could, escaped Roman reprisal by moving west and southwest. The Bafour who eluded induction into al~Murabitun conquering armies after their two cities/states in Mauritania succumbed, some of them did join neighboring Tekrur where some were already residing.
Non-Hebrew Muslims to this day still call Muslims of any known Hebrew antecedents bani Israil.
Doesn't matter where on earth the old dictum apllies The Jews problem to his disgrace is not his religion it is his race.
Everywhere on the planet it matters not, even after generations since converting to Xianity or Islam, even Buddhism, the coreligionist never forget that person is a Jew.
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I have no time to waste on pastiche polemics of one who will brush aside what ever I write since that one's aim is not knowledge but put down.
We are left to wonder indeed what Nigerian ethny this fool claims as his own and why he himself panders to a so-called 'Abrahamic' way of life as is Rastafari in favor of something Jamaican that is non-'Abrahamic' like Pocomania or whatever.
You can't be what you can't be and so in crisis is your identity * Rasta * Muur (a complete fantasy designation unknown to any scholarship) * Nigerian * non-African Black European * whatever pops into his excuse for a mind next week
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I have no time to waste on pastiche polemics of one who will brush aside what ever I write since that one's aim is not knowledge but put down.
We are left to wonder indeed what Nigerian ethny this fool claims as his own and why he himself panders to a so-called 'Abrahamic' way of life as is Rastafari in favor of something Jamaican that is non-'Abrahamic' like Pocomania or whatever.
You can't be what you can't be and so in crisis is your identity * Rasta * Muur (a complete fantasy designation unknown to any scholarship) * Nigerian * non-African Black European * whatever pops into his excuse for a mind next week
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I have no time to waste on pastiche polemics of one who will brush aside what ever I write since that one's aim is not knowledge but put down.
We are left to wonder indeed what Nigerian ethny this fool claims as his own and why he himself panders to a so-called 'Abrahamic' way of life as is Rastafari in favor of something Jamaican that is non-'Abrahamic' like Pocomania or whatever.
You can't be what you can't be and so in crisis is your identity * Rasta * Muur (a complete fantasy designation unknown to any scholarship) * Nigerian * non-African Black European * whatever pops into his excuse for a mind next week
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