=== Patterns of coding variation in the complete exomes of three Neandertals Sergi Castellanoa,1, …, and Svante Pääbo Significance We use a hybridization approach to enrich the DNA from the protein-coding fraction of the genomes of two Neandertal individuals from Spain and Croatia. By analyzing these two exomes together with the genome sequence of a Neandertal from Siberia we show that the genetic diversity of Neandertals was lower than that of present-day humans and that the pattern of coding variation suggests that Neandertal populations were small and isolated from one another. We also show that genes involved in skeletal morphology have changed more than expected on the Neandertal evolutionary lineage whereas genes involved in PIGMENTATION and behavior have changed more on the modern human lineage. .
This article was published on-line since March 2012. Over two years ago!!!. It is really surprising that it is not talked about more. Really surprising. With all the hoopla about Neanderthal admixture no one seemed to mention that Neanderthal and Denisovan were black skinned. Man, as I said this is really getting hilarious.
What do we have. The infamous white genes are SLC 45A2 and SLC24A5, along with MC1r and ASIP, TYP and Herc2(eyes and skin) at the corresponding SNPs.
In ALL instances Neanderthals carry the ancestral forms at the respective SNP. So if Melanesians and Yoruba are black that makes Neanderthal and Denisovan black.
So based upon the data published in the report. Neanderthals and Denisovans are as black…brown….tawny ..tan as Yorubas…..Ha! Ha! Ha!
Now why isn’t this making big news. These ancient Homo carry the exact skin pigmentation profile as some Yorubas and Melanesia. See below. ..ignorance is truly bliss.
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Neanderthal, Denisovans, Yorubans and Melanese carry the same genetic profile for skin pigmentation.
So...will you stop...I can back up EVERYTHING I post....EVERYTHING!!!!!
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close therad indeed. Now would you shut up and take notes....please. SMH
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Clyde, if the Neanderthal and Denisova were dark skinned who are admixed with them more moedrn Europeans or modern Africans? What does the DNA tell us?
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Clyde, regardless of what the Neanderthal/Denisova skin color was how much mixing did Africans do with them as compared to Eurasians? What does the DNA show?
We have discussed this earlier. First of all, the Neanderthal lived in North Africa so we know they were mixing with continental populations. The present research shows that the Neanderthal are related to the Khoisan and Mande people.
The most archaic AMH remains come from Florished, South Africa; they date between 190-330 kya. Other ancient fossil evidence of AMH in South Africa come from Broken Hill (c.110kya) and the Klasis River caves (c. 65-105kya).
The Khoisan early migrated into North Africa. As a result, we see shared cultural and behavioral traditions between 200-40kya among South Africans and Moroccans.
KHOISAN
The Khoisan carry haplogroups L3(M,N). Before they reached Iberia, they probably stopped in West Africa.
Granted L3 and L2 are not as old as LOd, but Gonder et al (2006)provides very early dates for this mtDNA e.g., L3(M,N) 94.3; the South African Khoisan (SAK) carry L1c, L1,L2,L3(M,N) dates to 142.3kya; the Hadza are L2a, L2, L3(M,N), dates to 96.7kya.
The dates for L1,L2,L3, M,N are old enough for the Khoisan to have taken N to West Africa, where we find L3, L2 and LOd and thence to Iberia as I suggested in my paper (Winters,2011).
It is interesting to note that LO haplogroups are primarily found among Khoisan and West Africans. This shows that at some point in prehistory the Khoisan had migrated into West Africa on their way to Morocco.
The basal L3(M) motiff in West Africa is characterized by the Ddel site np 10394 and Alul site np 10397 associated with AF-24. This supports my contention that Khoisan speakers early settled West Africa on their way to Iberia.
The Khoisan may have introduced the L haplogroup to Iberia. The SAK populations carry haplogroups L2, and L3. Dominguez (2005) ,noted that much of the ancient mtDNA found in Iberia has no relationship to the people presently living in Iberia today and correspond to African mtDNA haplogroups .
The SAK carry haplogroups L1c, L1,L2,L3 M,N and dates to 142.3kya; the Hadza are L2a, L2, L3, M,N, and dates to 96.7kya.
The dates for L1,L2,L3(M,N) are old enough for the Khoisan to have taken N to West Africa and thence Iberia.
Dominguez (2005) found that the lineages recovered from ancient Iberian skeletons are the African lineages L1b,L2 and L3. Almost 50% of the lineages from the Abauntz Chalcolithic deposits and Tres Montes, in Navarre are the Sub-Saharan lineages L1b,L2 and L3. The appearance of phylogenetically related sequences of hg L3 present in many ancient Iberian skeletons suggest that this haplogroup may have a long history in Iberia. This would support the possibility that SAK populations early settled ancient Iberia.
The Neanderthal used Mousterian tools. These tools were also being used in Africa as early 130kya. This places Neanderthalers in North Africa.
The human types associated with the Neanderthal tools found at Jebel Ighoud and Haua Fteah resemble contemporaneous European Neanderthaler tools. The presence of Mousterian tools suggest that Neanderthalers mixed with Africans because we know that anatomically modern humans were living in the area at the time.
The African Neanderthal people used the common Levoiso-Mousterian tool kit originally discovered in Europe. The Nenderthal skeletons have come from Djebel Irhoud and El Guettar in Morocco (Ki-Zerbo,1981). Later Neanderthal people used the Aterian tool kit. It was probably in Morocco that Neanderthal and Khoisan interacted.
South African Khoi and San (SAK) dominated North Africa before other African populations and the Vandals migrated into North Africa. This is supported by Berber oral traditions.
Coon wrote:
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Summary of three chapters dedicated to Africa, taken from the books The Living Races of Man (1965), Anthropology A to Z (1963) and The Races of Europe (1939), by Carleton S. Coon.
Legends persist along the fringes of the Sahara about the presence of an earlier, non-Europid people. According to the paramount chief of the Ait Atta, when their ancestors first came down from the mountains to their present winter quarters in the Dades Valley they found that region occupied by yellow-skinned people whom they conquered and reduced to the status of agricultural serfs. Later these yellow people mixed with Negro slaves, producing the present-day serfs, who are called Haratin. Many of the Haratin resemble Hottentots.
In the Fezzan in southern Libya live a people - the so-called Duwwud or Dawwada (worm-folk) - who speak Arabic, hunt jerboas, raise a few dates, and above all harvest the salt lakes, where they live, for Artemesia, a brine shrimp that multiplies in prodigious numbers. These shrimp are dried and compressed into cakes, which the Duwwud trade to Arab caravans. The Duwwud also look like Hottentots. Other partly Bushman and partly Negroid people are also to be found in the Sahara.
We can clearly see from this excerpt that relic Hottentot, Khoi and San populations persisted in North Africa and the Sahara up until the present.
The existence of the most ancient haplogroups in the Atlas Mountains and among the Khoisan supports the view that their has been an influx of non Khoisan people into the area in the past 20ky, but, relec Khoisan population elements remain constant in the Atlas Mountains up until today, just like East Africa. Coon maintains that the Haritan also include relic SAK population elements.
An exception to this norm are the Khoisan who share a phylogenic relationship with Altai Neanderthals (Prufer, et al, 2013). Many researchers claim that Africans have no relationship to the Neanderthals.But Prufer et al (2013) share more alleles with Altaic Neanderthal than Denisova.
In the Supplemental section of Prufer et al (2013) there is considerable discussion of the relationship between Neanderthal and Khoisan. In relation to the Altaic Neanderthal the non-Africans have a lower divergence rate than Africans between 10-20%. Prufer et al (2013) note little statistical difference between non-African and African divergence.
Researchers have observered a relationship between the Neanderthals, the Khoisan and Yoruba. Prufer et al (2013) detected a relationship between the Neanderthal and Mandekan. It is interesting to note that Yoruba traditions place them in Mande-speaking areas (Prufer et al,2013).
There is interesting information in Figure S7.1. In Figure S7.1 the maximum likelihood tree of bonobo, Denisova and Neanderthal, the closest present-day hmans are Africans, not Europeans. Reading the Tree Chart Graph, the neighbor joining tree of archaic and present day human individuals has the Khoisan following the Denisova.
An interesting finding of Prufer et al (2013) was that Altaic Neanderthal and Denisova are estimated to have similar split times. The divergence estimate for African Khoisan-Mandekan and Altaic is younger than the split between Africans and Denisova archaic individuals and modern African individuals. The split times between the Khoisan and Mandekan may be explained by the presence of AF-24 haplotype in West Africa.
The major problem with the paper is that the Prufer et al (2013)believe that there was a back-to-Africa migration of Eurasian genomes among West Africans people. This back migration probably did not occur. What we do know is that the ancient Kushite people belonged to the C-Group. The C-Group people spoke Niger-Congo and Dravidian languages.
The Kushites founded many civilizations in Eurasia including the Sumerian and Elamite civilizations. The Kushites may have spread L3(M) and y-chromosome R haplogroup in Eurasia. This suggest that so-called Eurasian genomes are the result of admixtures of Europeans and Kushites.
In summary the Khoisan early settled Morocco. From here they interacted with Neanderthal populations. Later the Khoisan migrated into Iberia an deposited many genomes of the L clade and L3(N) macrohaplogroup.
Reference:
de Domínguez E.F. Polimorfismos de DNA mitocondrial en poblaciones antiguas de la cuenca mediterránea. Universitat de Barcelona. Departament Biologia Animal, 2005 (PhD thesis).
Gonder MK, Mortensen HM, Reed FA, de Sousa A, Tishkoff SA. (2006). Whole mtDNA Genome Sequence Analysis of Ancient African Lineages. Mol Biol Evol. 2006 Dec 28.
Ki-Zerbo,J. (1981). Unesco General History of Africa Vol. 1: Methodology and African Prehistory (1981), pg.572.
Pruler,K, Racimo,F.,Patterson,N et al. (2014). The complete genome sequences of Neanderthal from the Altai, Mountains. Nature , 505/7481: 43-9. doi .10.1038/ Nature 12881.Epub.2013.Dec.18.
Scozzari, R, Massaia,A, Trombatta,B. et al.(2014). An unbiased resource of novel SNP markers provides a new chronology for human Y-chromosome and reveals a deep phylogenetic structure in Africa. Genome Research, January 6,2014, doi: 10.1101/gr./60785.113.
. Really surprising. With all the hoopla about Neanderthal admixture no one seemed to mention that Neanderthal and Denisovan were black skinned. Man, as I said this is really getting hilarious.
What do we have. The infamous white genes are SLC 45A2 and SLC24A5, along with MC1r and ASIP, TYP and Herc2(eyes and skin) at the corresponding SNPs.
I am losing my mind
moderator can you delete xyyman's marked up charts so we can raise the bar? proposal> he could repost them without mark ups and would have to cite the author and title of where he ripped it off from > but here not as link to ESR
Troll Patrol always does this and Cltde has his references at the bottom of his post
But xyyman often doesn't do this - because he wants to plagiarize, spin and take away context
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] Clyde, regardless of what the Neanderthal/Denisova skin color was how much mixing did Africans do with them as compared to Eurasians? What does the DNA show?
We have discussed this earlier. First of all, the Neanderthal lived in North Africa so we know they were mixing with continental populations. The present research shows that the Neanderthal are related to the Khoisan and Mande people.
Clyde who has more Neanderthal DNA the average modern European or the average modern West African?
The present research shows that the Neanderthal are related to the Khoisan and Mande people.
Present research shows that the Neanderthal are less related to Khoisan and Mande people than they are to Eurasians Eurasians average 1-4%, Papua New Guineans 5.5% (Siberian Denisova hominid) Yoruba and Khosian under 1% This well as numerous Neanderthal sites in Europe (some in the Middle East) and the similar Denisova hominid in Siberia supports the case that the trace Neanderthal DNA in Khosisn is the result of back migration into Africa circa 3000 years ago
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Come on Lioness. You need to display more intellignece than that.
First off...You need to ask yourself, why, Archaic humans have more "Neanderthal" ancestry than modern humans. Then follow that with , why, Europeans carry more Neanderthal ancestry than West Africans. Then follow that with, why, East Asians and Native Americans carry more Neanderthal ancestry than Europeans.
The answer is simple. It is NOT Neanderthal ancestry.
Do you want to know why? SMH.
do you really want to know the truth?
As I said. I can back up everything I post.
EVVVVERRRYYYTHING!!!!
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Clyde, if the Neanderthal and Denisova were dark skinned who are admixed with them more moedrn Europeans or modern Africans? What does the DNA tell us?
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censorship from the truth??!! Lioness, even that is beneath you.
Desperation?
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman:
. Really surprising. With all the hoopla about Neanderthal admixture no one seemed to mention that Neanderthal and Denisovan were black skinned. Man, as I said this is really getting hilarious.
What do we have. The infamous white genes are SLC 45A2 and SLC24A5, along with MC1r and ASIP, TYP and Herc2(eyes and skin) at the corresponding SNPs.
I am losing my mind
****moderator can you delete xyyman's marked up charts ****
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Got it Lioness. The pigmentation of Neanderthal and Denisovan is known. And it is not what you see on TV ...or National Geographic. Ha! Ha! Ha!
source..
Predicting homo pigmentation phenotype through genomic data: From Neanderthal to James Watson - 12 MAR 2012
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why, Archaic humans have more "Neanderthal" ancestry than modern humans.
The Neanderthal died off 30,000 years ago so archaic humans like the Pestera cu Oase remains in Romania have more Neanderthal ancestry because they lived at the same time 35-40,000 years ago at the time when they were having sex with the Neanderthals
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Then follow that with , why do Europeans carry more Neanderthal ancestry than West Africans? Then follow that with, why, East Asians and Native Americans carry more Neanderthal ancestry than Europeans.
The answer is simple. The Neanderthals lived in Eurasia not Africa. Therefore archaic Africans did not have the opportunity to have sex with them
and this is proven by analyzing Neanderthal DNA in the various modern human populaltions
Neaderthals, newsflash, they didn't live in Africa>
Again, you can theorize and spin about archaic humans all day long. The Neanderthal genome has been mapped. Therefore it doesn't matter what your theory is modern popualtions can be compared to see which has Neanderthal DNA. Homo sapiens didn't come out of Neanderthals, they just have a common ancestor that Neanderthals also had. Some mixed with them, that's what happened. So now that we have the DNA your theories must take that into account first and foremost. However even by geography the situation is plain
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: [ Got it Lioness. The pigmentation of Neanderthal and Denisovan is known. And it is not what you see on TV ...or National Geographic. Ha! Ha! Ha!
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Predicting homo pigmentation phenotype through genomic data: From Neanderthal to James Watson - 12 MAR 2012 [/QB]
you are so confused you said earlier they were "black" and then go on to say right after they had the light skin alleles
The pigmenation of Neanderthal and Denisovan if dark does not indicate that they are genetically more similar to Africans, stop the nonsense, it's an irrelevant detail
Likewise many East Indians have skin as dark as Africans, yet many of them with this drak skin are at a closer gentic distance to Europeans So genetics trumps the old obsession with skin color. Skin color does not predict ancestry, this is 2015 Tishkoff
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you are to blame ..... your heavy handed tactics starting at about 2 months ago or more ruined the vibe and mood.....the flow.
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Wives love you so they can be quite helpful.
Maybe Tukuler's wife reminded him about karma. If you keep spreading negativity it often falls back on you.
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Between 139kya and 125kya the Neanderthals migrated back into africa and spread from Morocco to East Africa (Ki-Zerbo, 1981,p.572).
The African Neanderthal people used the common Levoiso-Mousterian tool kit originally discovered in Europe. The Nenderthal skeletons mainly come from Djebel Irhoud and El Guettar (Ki-Zerbo,1981). Later Neanderthal people used the Aterian tool kit.
Ki-Zerbo,J. (1981). Unesco General History of Africa Vol. 1: Methodology and African Prehistory .
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: The answer is simple. The Neanderthals lived in Eurasia not Africa. Therefore archaic Africans did not have the opportunity to have sex with them
and this is proven by analyzing Neanderthal DNA in the various modern human populaltions
Neaderthals, newsflash, they didn't live in Africa>
DNA can not tell us everything about ancient history or population history. Skin color remains the major characteristic human beings use to classify each other. Archaeology and crianiometrics give us concrete evidence of ancient populations and racial traits. Right now due to contamination of most ancient DNA it is hard to make reliable comparisons between ancient and modern populations.
A good example is admixture between Neanderthals and Africans. Originally researchers claimed there was no admixture between these populations, now the story has changed and we see that Africans do show Neanderthal admixture. This should not be too much of a surprise since they really didn't look that much different and Neanderthal lived in Africa.
Between 139kya and 125kya the Neanderthals migrated back into africa and spread from Morocco to East Africa (Ki-Zerbo, 1981,p.572).
The African Neanderthal people used the common Levoiso-Mousterian tool kit originally discovered in Europe. The Nenderthal skeletons mainly come from Djebel Irhoud and El Guettar (Ki-Zerbo,1981). Later Neanderthal people used the Aterian tool kit.
Ki-Zerbo,J. (1981). Unesco General History of Africa Vol. 1: Methodology and African Prehistory .
I am not going to fight over who was fughking an ape or not. I will let you Europeans have that one. Enjoy.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: So now that we have the DNA your theories must take that into account first and foremost.
Looking at ancient DNA to determine ancient population origins can be misleading. Let’s look at dna of Ust-ishim and Clovis-Anzick man as it compares to modern populations.
Although it is clear that Ust-ishim was T2b3, the popular press claims he belonged to the haplogroup U clade. Look at the cousins of Ust-ishim it is these modern people who belong to the U clade that are his cousins. See: http://www.fi.id.au/2014/11/ust-ishim-ancient-dna-has-matches-with.html
Look at the Clovis-Anzick DNA matches to modern people.
What does this mean? It means that researchers may be reporting results that have been contaminated and that they may only be giving us results that match their expectations of how the data should look.
IN relation to Anzick man Felix Immanuel noted that:
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Just a quick recap, I processed the raw data for Clovis-Anzick-1 and uploaded into GEDMatch and to my surprise, there are matches as near as 3rd to 4th cousins. Now, that's a real problem because, the matches are to a DNA sample older than 12500 years. This is practically impossible and very mysterious.[/img] I will investigate step-by-step and see what are all the possibilities and failure points, which could solve the problem. But before that, we need to be absolutely sure that these matches are indeed valid. From the matches, I requested for phased kit and I indeed got one - Thanks to Mario Diaz and Veronica.
Clearly, an IBD segment of 5 cM above 500 SNPs with total IBD segments around 10+ cM cannot be 12500 years old. This is a fact and can be verified using known relationships in families and DNA companies are using these benchmarks all along for showing genetic matches. This fact is more than enough to conclude that the Clovis-Anzick-1 sample is not actually ancient. My best guess is, the infant boy's sample is just from the last century and it was wrongly labeled as 12500 years old or the sample got contaminated.
Indeed, Neanderthal and the other ancient people were Blacks. . [/QB]
Again here are where the Neanderthal sites are located
The Neanderthal lived In Eurasia for over 200,000 years and dark skin or not are cold adapted as indicated by their robust body proportions."Dark skin" is not a race
Their genome has been mapped
Unsurprisingly Eurasians have more adixture with them than do Africans. It's a no brainer
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Indeed, Neanderthal and the other ancient people were Blacks. .
Again here are where the Neanderthal sites are located
The Neanderthal lived In Eurasia for over 200,000 years and dark skin or not are cold adapted as indicated by their robust body proportions."Dark skin" is not a race
Their genome has been mapped
Unsurprisingly Eurasians have more adixture with them than do Africans. It's a no brainer [/QB]
Between 139kya and 125kya the Neanderthals migrated back into africa and spread from Morocco to East Africa (Ki-Zerbo, 1981,p.572).
The African Neanderthal people used the common Levoiso-Mousterian tool kit originally discovered in Europe. The Nenderthal skeletons mainly come from Djebel Irhoud and El Guettar (Ki-Zerbo,1981). Later Neanderthal people used the Aterian tool kit.
Ki-Zerbo,J. (1981). Unesco General History of Africa Vol. 1: Methodology and African Prehistory .
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What I like to know is, what did the tectonic plates and continental drift looked like at The Strait of Gibraltar, Northwest Africa - Iberian peninsula.
"Between 139kya and 125kya the Neanderthals migrated back into africa and spread from Morocco to East Africa" (Ki-Zerbo, 1981,p.572).
The Strait of Gibraltar, which lies between the southern coast of Spain and the northern coast of Morocco, is the only place where water from the Atlantic Ocean mixes with water from the Mediterranean Sea. Credit: ESA
quote: Western Eurasia yielded a rich Middle (MP) and Late Pleistocene (LP) fossil record documenting the evolution of the Neandertals that can be analyzed in light of recently acquired paleogenetical data, an abundance of archeological evidence, and a well-known environmental context. Their origin likely relates to an episode of recolonization of Western Eurasia by hominins of African origin carrying the Acheulean technology into Europe around 600 ka. An enhancement of both glacial and interglacial phases may have played a crucial role in this event, as well as in the subsequent evolutionary history of the Western Eurasian populations. In addition to climatic adaptations and an increase in encephalization, genetic drift seems to have played a major role in their evolution. To date, a clear speciation event is not documented, and the most likely scenario for the fixation of Neandertal characteristics seems to be an accretion of features along the second half of the MP. Although a separation time for the African and Eurasian populations is difficult to determine, it certainly predates OIS 11 as phenotypic Neandertal features are documented as far back as and possibly before this time. It is proposed to use the term “Homo rhodesiensis” to designate the large-brained hominins ancestral to H. sapiens in Africa and at the root of the Neandertals in Europe, and to use the term “Homo neanderthalensis” to designate all of the specimens carrying derived metrical or non-metrical features used in the definition of the LP Neandertals.
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor: What I like to know is, what did the tectonic plates and continental drift looked like at The Strait of Gibraltar, Northwest Africa - Iberian peninsula.
"Between 139kya and 125kya the Neanderthals migrated back into africa and spread from Morocco to East Africa" (Ki-Zerbo, 1981,p.572).
The Strait of Gibraltar, which lies between the southern coast of Spain and the northern coast of Morocco, is the only place where water from the Atlantic Ocean mixes with water from the Mediterranean Sea. Credit: ESA
The problem with Europeans is that even though they have found early evidence for the migration of Africans onto the Islands in the Meditteranean Sea, they continue to believe that people walked to these Islands. But the fact that Africans made their way to Brazil 100,000 years ago make it clear that these people had boats and knew how to navigate these boats for at least hundred thousand years.
They gained this expertise sailing along the ancient waterways and megaLakes that formerly existed in Africa.
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor:
quote: Western Eurasia yielded a rich Middle (MP) and Late Pleistocene (LP) fossil record documenting the evolution of the Neandertals that can be analyzed in light of recently acquired paleogenetical data, an abundance of archeological evidence, and a well-known environmental context. Their origin likely relates to an episode of recolonization of Western Eurasia by hominins of African origin carrying the Acheulean technology into Europe around 600 ka. An enhancement of both glacial and interglacial phases may have played a crucial role in this event, as well as in the subsequent evolutionary history of the Western Eurasian populations. In addition to climatic adaptations and an increase in encephalization, genetic drift seems to have played a major role in their evolution. To date, a clear speciation event is not documented, and the most likely scenario for the fixation of Neandertal characteristics seems to be an accretion of features along the second half of the MP. Although a separation time for the African and Eurasian populations is difficult to determine, it certainly predates OIS 11 as phenotypic Neandertal features are documented as far back as and possibly before this time. It is proposed to use the term “Homo rhodesiensis” to designate the large-brained hominins ancestral to H. sapiens in Africa and at the root of the Neandertals in Europe, and to use the term “Homo neanderthalensis” to designate all of the specimens carrying derived metrical or non-metrical features used in the definition of the LP Neandertals.
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"Black" is not a phenotype, skin color alone is not a phenotype determination
Neanderthal limb proportions are more cold-adapted than modern Eskimos and Lapps (Stringer and Gamble 1993; Stringer and Mckie, 1996).
That is because they were isolated int the cold regions for over 200,000 years
Their physical morphology is closer to Asians and European than tropically proportioned Africans
Comparitively humans were only in the cold region under 60,000 years yet these non-Africans look phenotypically different than Africans but more importantly have a differnt genotype
Therefore if the ancestor of Neanderthals in Africa looked some particular way, 200,000 years later in Europe their phenotype would be different then their African ancestor just like Europeans have a different phenotype form Africans
That is why Clyde can only puts up an amateur made recontsruction Homo Heidlelbergenis from Africa rather than a Neadnerthal reconstruction
And again it doesn't matter what the neanderthal skin color was their morphology is closer to Eurasian than African but more importantly they are a different species and their genetics trump the phenotype ( or just one trait skin color) Eurasians are more admixed with them by genetic analysis than are Africans. Clyde acts like this is something desireable. I don't know why
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Always on top of the game. Great link and citation. I wish I had your resources. So..While Euronuts are overjoyed about Neanderthals genes. They do not play up the ancestors, the root, of Neanderthal, the African, Homo Rhodesiensis. Lol!
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=== Western Eurasia yielded a rich Middle (MP) ……. To date, a clear speciation event is NOT documented, and the most likely scenario for the FIXATION of Neandertal characteristics seems to be an accretion of features along the second half of the MP. Although a separation time for the African and Eurasian populations is difficult to determine, ……. It is proposed to use the term “Homo rhodesiensis” to designate the large-brained hominins ancestral to H. sapiens in Africa and at the root of the Neandertals in Europe, and to use the term “Homo neanderthalensis” to designate all of the specimens carrying derived metrical or non-metrical features used in the definition of the LP Neandertals. .
But as I said. WWhat is the point of having Neanderthal ancestry or Not? Does it make them less genetically defective or smarter? I don't get it.
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"Black" is not a phenotype, skin color alone is not a phenotype determination
Neanderthal limb proportions are more cold-adapted than modern Eskimos and Lapps (Stringer and Gamble 1993; Stringer and Mckie, 1996).
That is because they were isolated int the cold regions for over 200,000 years
Their physical morphology is closer to Asians and European than tropically proportioned Africans
Comparitively humans were only in the cold region under 60,000 years yet these non-Africans look phenotypically different than Africans but more importantly have a differnt genotype
Therefore if the ancestor of Neanderthals in Africa looked some particular way, 200,000 years later in Europe their phenotype would be different then their African ancestor just like Europeans have a different phenotype form Africans
That is why Clyde can only puts up an amateur made recontsruction Homo Heidlelbergenis from Africa rather than a Neadnerthal reconstruction and Clyde doesn't believe in evolutionary adaptations in general. He thinks ever type has always been that way. It's his religion
And again it doesn't matter what the neanderthal skin color was their morphology is closer to Eurasian than African but more importantly they are a different species and their genetics trump the phenotype ( or just one trait skin color) Eurasians are more admixed with them by genetic analysis than are Africans. Clyde acts like this is something desireable. I don't know why
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: But as I said. WWhat is the point of having Neanderthal ancestry or Not? Does it make them less genetically defective or smarter? I don't get it.
Gonna save this, here is Xy-YT-hater stating Whites are diseased and inferior.
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Always on top of the game. Great link and citation. I wish I had your resources. So..While Euronuts are overjoyed about Neanderthals genes. They do not play up the ancestors, the root, of Neanderthal, the African, Homo Rhodesiensis. Lol!
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=== Western Eurasia yielded a rich Middle (MP) ……. To date, a clear speciation event is NOT documented, and the most likely scenario for the FIXATION of Neandertal characteristics seems to be an accretion of features along the second half of the MP. Although a separation time for the African and Eurasian populations is difficult to determine, ……. It is proposed to use the term “Homo rhodesiensis” to designate the large-brained hominins ancestral to H. sapiens in Africa and at the root of the Neandertals in Europe, and to use the term “Homo neanderthalensis” to designate all of the specimens carrying derived metrical or non-metrical features used in the definition of the LP Neandertals. .
But as I said. WWhat is the point of having Neanderthal ancestry or Not? Does it make them less genetically defective or smarter? I don't get it.
Enhanced immunity via increased Eumelanin inherited from Neanderthal. White skin compromises the immunity system. Through Neanderthal interbreeding, European albinos gained tremendously. It may have very well saved them from extinction.
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@ Princess OWWHHH! You got me. I thought you did not participate in these discussions.
But seriously unfortunately, depigmentation comes with certain afflictions. I am stating a scientific observation.
Nt only that, African Tunisians harbor many "founder" haplotypes of deseases that plague modern Europeans. Kefi et al. Further proof that Europeans are depigmented Africans.
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Futhermore, I never denied black skin is better adapted to live on the planet. We became humans because we were black. Melanin and it's qualities is a key ingredient.
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: But as I said. WWhat is the point of having Neanderthal ancestry or Not? Does it make them less genetically defective or smarter? I don't get it.
Gonna save this, here is Xy-YT-hater stating Whites are diseased and inferior.
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"Certain afflictions" can only be albinism. Compromised immunity is what leaves the body open to certain diseases. As example, Skin cancer. With normal (black/brown) skin, skin cancer rates become vastly attenuated.
This is the one truth Nina Jablonski had to confront in her, "How Europeans evolved white skin" presentation. She also agrees with immunity system enhancement of European albinos thru Neanderthals.
Lionese: Jablonski understands the difference between "blocking" and absorption.
Jablonski explained. Dark skin contains high quantities of “eumelanin”, a dark pigment which has the ability to absorb and scatter UV radiation. People with dark skin, then, can absorb tremendous amounts of UV radiation.Posts: 4693 | From: Saturn | Registered: Apr 2012
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Xy-YT-hater, so do your so called White relatives, friends,employer (if he/she is White),co-workers know that you think they are diseased, inferior non-humans? Have you told them how you really feel about them?
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: But as I said. WWhat is the point of having Neanderthal ancestry or Not? Does it make them less genetically defective or smarter? I don't get it.
Gonna save this, here is Xy-YT-hater stating Whites are diseased and inferior.
There are whites who claim the Neanderthal admixture made them superior to others. I am almost sure ya' boy Dylan Roof also reasoned like that. Anyway, a lot of white folks make a great deal out of it.
Ps, you should embrace your "melanated" brothers.
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I saw a comment online where someone suggested Neanderthal admixture as an example of "hybrid vigour".
The posited absence in Africans was also used to imply reduced intellectual capability.
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No I did not. But it does look/ sound bizarre. I agree.
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Sorry TP but you Blacks are not,nor were you ever, nor will you ever be my brothers or sisters. I'm sure you, Mike,Clyde,KING,Zarahan,Habsburg,Kdolo,Xy-YT-Hater,Fourty2Tribes,Mena7,etc feel the same about Whites. Considering you all think Whites are ugly,useless,talentleess,diseased,inferior non-humans. Who have no history,no heritage,no identity,no place on earth we belong,nothing to be proud of as a people. Have no right to self determination & knowledge of self.
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quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Sorry TP but you Blacks are not,nor were you ever, nor will you ever be my brothers or sisters.
Oops, I missed this post by you.
Well, people this post by this troll says it all.
Dixie, repeat sieg heil sieg heil sieg heil.
Btw, your heritage is at Central Asia. Even hitler said it. And he was the ultimate for white pride.
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Up until recent discovery Neanderthals were considered stupid and violent. Howcome it changed all of a sudden.
I remember this white guy, a YouTube vloger. Back in 2008 or something.
He said, wait and see, they will make the Neanderthal into an intelligent specie. He closet it with, that's the ultimate of white surprimacy and racism.
And the latest garbage pseudo science claims now:
Neanderthal 20% Genes Found in Modern Humans New Studies Confirmed at least 20%
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