The vast territory of North and Central Asia represents a poorly understood region in the prehistoric era, despite intensive excavations that have been conducted during the past century, the earliest human occupation in this region probably began sometime around 40,000 years ago. Small groups of big-game hunters likely migrated into this region from lands to the south and southwest, confronting a harsh climate and long, dry winters, by about 22,000 BP, two principal cultural traditions had developed in Siberia and northeastern Asia: the Mal'ta and the Afontova Gora-Oshurkovo - which is mostly about tools.
Modern human (i.e., Homo sapiens sapiens) remains from the sites of Afontova Gora II and Mal'ta contain the first evidence of Mongoloid features in Siberia, circa 21,000 years BP.
The Mal'ta tradition is known from a vast area spanning west of Lake Baikal and the Yenisey River. The site of Mal'ta is composed of a series of semi-subterranean houses made of large animal bones and huge numbers of reindeer antlers, (no doubt scavenged for hut construction after being shed by the reindeer). The huts had likely been covered with animal skins and sod to protect the inhabitants from the severe, prevailing northerly winds bearing loess dust from the edges of the glaciated regions. Among the artistic accomplishments evident at Mal'ta are remains of expertly carved bone, ivory, and antler objects. Figurines of birds and human females are the most commonly found items.
Evidence seems to indicate that Mal'ta is the most ancient site in eastern Siberia, however relative dating illustrates some irregularities. The use of flint flaking and the absence of pressure flaking used in the manufacture of tools, as well as the continued use of earlier forms of tools seem to confirm the fact that the site belongs to the early Upper Paleolithic. Yet, it lacks typical skreblos (large side scrapers,) that are common in other Siberian Paleolithic sites) Additionally, other common characteristics such as pebble cores, wedge-shaped cores, burins, and composite tools have never been found) The lack of these features, combined with an art style found in only one other nearby site, make Mal'ta culture unique in Siberia.
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Twenty nine ivory female figures were found on the open site of Mal'ta. They differ from contemporary representations in Russia, Central and Western Europe in that they are shown clothed rather than nude, most have faces and the body shapes are straight or tapering below large, round heads. Some are also perforated to be worn as pendants.
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However many are Steatopygic indicating Khoisan/Grimaldi ethnicity.
In late 2009, researchers sampled at the Hermitage Museum, St. Petersburg Russia: the remains of a boy from the Upper Palaeolithic site of Mal’ta in Siberia. The juvenile dated to approximately 24,000 years ago. Mal’ta, located along the Belaya River near Lake Baikal, was excavated between 1928 and 1958 and yielded a plethora of archaeological finds including 30 anthropomorphic Venus figurines, which are rare for Siberia but found at a number of Upper Palaeolithic sites across western Eurasia.
A double burial of two children was identified at Mal'ta, covered by a stone slab. The oldest individual was a single Homo sapiens boy of about 3-4 years old (MA-1), wearing a necklace of beads, several pendants and an ivory diadem. Partial remains include parts of the cranium, mandible and maxilla, and several post-cranial bones. The second child is only represented by teeth. Both have slightly shovel-shaped incisors, a characteristic of North American and modern Siberian people, but according to the Nature paper (Raghavan et al. 2013), bioarchaeologist Christy Turner investigated and concluded that the bones are morphologically most closely related to Upper Paleolithic Europeans. Other grave goods interred with the children include a decorated plaque, a bird-shaped pendant, an ivory bracelet, stone tools and an ivory baton.
“Representing the oldest anatomically modern human genome reported thus far, the MA-1 individual has provided us with a unique window into the genetic landscape of Siberia some 24,000 years ago“, says Dr. Maanasa Raghavan from the Centre for GeoGenetics and one of the lead authors of the study. “Interestingly, the MA-1 individual shows little to no genetic affinity to modern populations from the region from where he originated – south Siberia.” Instead, both the mitochondrial and nuclear genomes of the boy indicate that he was related to modern-day western Eurasians. This result paints a picture of Eurasia 24,000 years ago which is quite different from the present-day context. The genome of the boy indicates that prehistoric populations related to modern western Eurasians occupied a wider geographical range into northeast Eurasia than they do today.
One of the researchers, Dr. Willerslev, an expert in analyzing ancient DNA, was seeking to understand the peopling of the Americas by searching for possible source populations in Siberia. He extracted DNA from bone taken from the child’s upper arm, hoping to find ancestry in the East Asian peoples from whom Native Americans are known to be descended. But the first results were disappointing. The boy’s mitochondrial DNA (mtdna) belonged to the lineage known as "U", which is commonly found among the modern humans who first entered Europe from Africa about 44,000 years ago - i.e. the Khoisan like Grimaldi Man. The boy's Y-dna haplogroup is R, which is found in many areas of Africa.
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Pending further testing, Willerslev assigned the Mal'ta sample to hg U (mtDNA) and hg R (Y-DNA). This is the earliest attestation of these haplogroups in Siberia suggesting that these West Eurasian lineages were much more widely distributed in Eurasia in pre-LGM times and common in Eastern Eurasia, too. The results are consistent with the finding of Mtdna haplogroup "U2" in 34,000-year-old Kostenki remains in Central Russia, and support the pattern whereby the earliest ancient DNA samples (Tianyuan Cave in China with hg "B", Kostenki with hg "U2" and now Mal'ta with hg "U" have so far turned up members of mtDNA macro-haplogroup R. While the dates of all these samples are consistent with 50,000 YBP chronological frame proposed by geneticists for the divergence of mhg R, it's still noteworthy that not only is the most downstream mtDNA macrohaplogroup also the most widely spread among human populations, but also that it seems to be more wide-spread in the past than now.
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Ancient European Blacks of Y-dna haplogroup "R".
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Results of the DNA tests indicate that in the Nuclear family, the Father was Y-dna R1a, the Mother was MTdna - K
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Mike White child hater. Make up your damn mind Whitey hater boy. Either Whites are indigenous to C.Asia or Blacks are, can't have it both ways.
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quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Mike White child hater. Make up your damn mind Whitey hater boy. Either Whites are indigenous to C.Asia or Blacks are, can't have it both ways.
Mankind originated in Africa. Africans spread to the rest of the world including Central Asia.
After 2000 BC there was a series of earthquacks and volcanic eruptions in Eurasia. As a result, the Proto-Europeans were able to leave their subterranean cave habitat in the Caucasus mountains, for the surface world.West of the Caspian Sea lies the Caucasus, a mountainous region that comprises of southeastern Russia (Northern Caucasus), Armenia, Azerbaijan (including disputed Nagorno-Karabakh region) and Georgia (South Caucasus).Europe was primarially settled by Blacks so the Proto-Europeans settled in Central Asia.They did not want to remain the mountains from which they had emerged.
The first mention of whites place them in Central Asia.Central Asia, also sometimes known as Middle Asia or Inner Asia, is a region in Asia east of the Caspian Sea, west of China, north of Afghanistan, and south of Russia. This would make whites indigenous to Central Asia.
The Caves of Europe, were seen as temples by the ancient Blacks of Europe. here they congregated and used them like temples.
. In the caves these Blacks recorded their history and worshiped their gods.
The last Ice Age in Europe came suddenly. The Aurignacians probably sought santuary in their caves/temples.
. Since the last Ice Age came suddenly the Blacks were trapped in the caves. In darkness.
The first Europeans were definitely Black when they entered the Caucasus Caves.
In the caves due to the absence of sunlight the Aurignacians lost the melanin in their skin. The melanin left the skin and congregated in the hair. This is evident when we look at the depigmented creatures who live in the caves.
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As you can see living in caves can cause the lost of melanin in the skin.After the tectonic events of 2000 BC the entrances of the caves opened in the Caucasus.
The original Black Europeans had turned into the people we call Europeans today.
The first Caucasians had lived in the caves for thousands of years.
During this time they probably treated each other badly.
Given the lack of life in the caves these first caucasians probably ate each other and suffered many bad things.
It is clear that the melanin in Europeans goes only into their hair. The only explanation for the appearance of whites, and stability of the lack of melanin among Europeans can only be explained by an extended period of time proto-Europeans living in the cave.
This would explain the varied type of Europeans who fomerly lived in the caves.
These first Caucasians probably left the caves bitter because they had lost their pigmentation--while many of the people they saw when they left the caves were pigmented=Blacks. The original home of the Caucasians was the Caucasus Mountains.
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. They came from the caves after 2000BC
In Central Asia, they mated with Blacks and began a slow infiltration into Anatolia.First mention of these whites were as Gutian tribes , invading the Sumerian territory. The Hattis, allowed them in Anatolia,where they were able to imitate the black Empires.
Over time, the Gutians/whites were able to form an empire called the Hittite Empire. The Hittites like, the Gutians in Sumeria, adopted the language of the Hatti, and their culture. After 1200 BC, a coalition of white tribes began to move out of Anatolia into the Mediterranean attacking all the Blacklands. The Blacks were able to contain the whites, but they were allowed to settle in the Levant, and the Delta region of Egypt, and parts of Arabia. Over millenia mating with Blacks they probably co-created the Arab population.
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This 17ky cave painting appears to record the changes in the Proto-European into more 'human' like forms today. The pictures make it clear that the long chins and noses were a major feature of the Proto-Europeans.
These cave drawings suggest that while the Proto-Europeans lived in the caves they resembled serpents.
This serpent like appearence declined once they left the caves and began mating with African Blacks after tectonic changes opened the cave entrances and europeans began to move into the Black lands.
They may have been more serpent like because they probably crawled since many passageways would have been too small to walk through. This is probably why they had long noses to be able to navigate and smell out their surroundings.
The eyes became light some they could 'see' better in the darkness. Since melanin no longer went into the skin, it accumulated in the hair.
The earliest "whites" appear in Sumerian art. These "whites" were the Gutians.
The Gutians were hill people who fought the Sumerians for many years. Later they conquered Lagash. It is this art from Lagash that Europeans use to pretend the Sumerians were white.
It was probably in these hills that Proto-Europeans first exited the caves and began to expand throughout Eurasia. I am not at my office now but later, if God wills, I will post picture to show the changing form of the first whites from a people typified by serpent like heads until the form we see now.
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quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Mike White child hater. Make up your damn mind Whitey hater boy. Either Whites are indigenous to C.Asia or Blacks are, can't have it both ways.
WHY????
Clearly you are not paying attention!
AFRICANS EXPLORED AND SETTLED THE "ENTIRE" EARTH!
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African Albinos of various phenotypes settled in certain parts of ASIA.
YOU Albinos of the Caucasian phenotype in CENTRAL ASIA (mainly - but not exclusively), and Albinos of the Mongol phenotype in EAST ASIA (mainly - but not exclusively).
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Regular Black and White/Albino Mongol phenotype people together.
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Black and White/Albino Mongol phenotype people together.
In late 2009, researchers sampled at the Hermitage Museum, St. Petersburg Russia: the remains of a boy from the Upper Palaeolithic site of Mal’ta in Siberia. The juvenile dated to approximately 24,000 years ago. Mal’ta, located along the Belaya River near Lake Baikal, was excavated between 1928 and 1958 and yielded a plethora of archaeological finds including 30 anthropomorphic Venus figurines, which are rare for Siberia but found at a number of Upper Palaeolithic sites across western Eurasia.
A double burial of two children was identified at Mal'ta, covered by a stone slab. The oldest individual was a single Homo sapiens boy of about 3-4 years old (MA-1), wearing a necklace of beads, several pendants and an ivory diadem. Partial remains include parts of the cranium, mandible and maxilla, and several post-cranial bones. The second child is only represented by teeth. Both have slightly shovel-shaped incisors, a characteristic of North American and modern Siberian people, but according to the Nature paper (Raghavan et al. 2013), bioarchaeologist Christy Turner investigated and concluded that the bones are morphologically most closely related to Upper Paleolithic Europeans. Other grave goods interred with the children include a decorated plaque, a bird-shaped pendant, an ivory bracelet, stone tools and an ivory baton.
“Representing the oldest anatomically modern human genome reported thus far, the MA-1 individual has provided us with a unique window into the genetic landscape of Siberia some 24,000 years ago“, says Dr. Maanasa Raghavan from the Centre for GeoGenetics and one of the lead authors of the study. “Interestingly, the MA-1 individual shows little to no genetic affinity to modern populations from the region from where he originated – south Siberia.” Instead, both the mitochondrial and nuclear genomes of the boy indicate that he was related to modern-day western Eurasians. This result paints a picture of Eurasia 24,000 years ago which is quite different from the present-day context. The genome of the boy indicates that prehistoric populations related to modern western Eurasians occupied a wider geographical range into northeast Eurasia than they do today.
One of the researchers, Dr. Willerslev, an expert in analyzing ancient DNA, was seeking to understand the peopling of the Americas by searching for possible source populations in Siberia. He extracted DNA from bone taken from the child’s upper arm, hoping to find ancestry in the East Asian peoples from whom Native Americans are known to be descended. But the first results were disappointing. The boy’s mitochondrial DNA (mtdna) belonged to the lineage known as "U", which is commonly found among the modern humans who first entered Europe from Africa about 44,000 years ago - i.e. the Khoisan like Grimaldi Man. The boy's Y-dna haplogroup is R, which is found in many areas of Africa.
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Pending further testing, Willerslev assigned the Mal'ta sample to hg U (mtDNA) and hg R (Y-DNA). This is the earliest attestation of these haplogroups in Siberia suggesting that these West Eurasian lineages were much more widely distributed in Eurasia in pre-LGM times and common in Eastern Eurasia, too.
Therefore this is the ancestor to haplogroup R in Africa. R originates in Siberia until evidence is shown to the contrary
Also the article states
quote: The second child is only represented by teeth. Both have slightly shovel-shaped incisors, a characteristic of North American and modern Siberian people, but according to the Nature paper (Raghavan et al. 2013), bioarchaeologist Christy Turner investigated and concluded that the bones are morphologically most closely related to Upper Paleolithic Europeans.
So there is a dental affinity with modern Siberians but the bones are similiar to Upper Paleolithic Europeans.
If we look at the various periods within Paleolithic Europe separated by tens of thousands of years we find that, due to evolutionary changes the appearance and physical morphology of humans lis different in the different periods, So the most appropriate reconstructions, if you don't have paleolithic Siberians ones, are Europeans specific to around 24,000 years ago, the age of the Mal'ta remains
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quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: Central Asian White Mummies
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quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
This 17ky cave painting appears to record the changes in the Proto-European into more 'human' like forms today. The pictures make it clear that the long chins and noses were a major feature of the Proto-Europeans.
These cave drawings suggest that while the Proto-Europeans lived in the caves they resembled serpents.
This serpent like appearence declined once they left the caves and began mating with African Blacks after tectonic changes opened the cave entrances and europeans began to move into the Black lands.
They may have been more serpent like because they probably crawled since many passageways would have been too small to walk through. This is probably why they had long noses to be able to navigate and smell out their surroundings.
The eyes became light some they could 'see' better in the darkness. Since melanin no longer went into the skin, it accumulated in the hair.
The earliest "whites" appear in Sumerian art. These "whites" were the Gutians.
The Gutians were hill people who fought the Sumerians for many years. Later they conquered Lagash. It is this art from Lagash that Europeans use to pretend the Sumerians were white.
It was probably in these hills that Proto-Europeans first exited the caves and began to expand throughout Eurasia. I am not at my office now but later, if God wills, I will post picture to show the changing form of the first whites from a people typified by serpent like heads until the form we see now.
Clyde you refer to 17,000 years old pictures of Proto-Europeans in a French cave and say that is the origin of White people. You The oldest mummies in Tarim in Western China are 1,800 years old. Did they migrate there from France?
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Therefore this is the ancestor to haplogroup R in Africa. R originates in Siberia until evidence is shown to the contrary
Ha,ha,ha,ha:
Fuch-off you stupid Bitch.
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Clyde there you go saying Whites aren't human again. Sorry but that is not White peoples' history or origins. Tell me Clyde what makes you hate White children so much? BTW those aren't White mummies their DNA says they were mixed White & Asian.
Mike those are not White people, White people do not have a Mongol phenotype you White child hating devil. Those are simply lighter skinned Mongols. Again you can't have it both ways so make up yo damn mind.
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quote:Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl: The Y-haplogroup in Africa is R1b no tR1a. More specifically R1c1c (R-V88).
Actually, neither you nor anyone else knows what is in Africa. But giving you the point - You say that as if you know what the physiological and phenotype differences are - if any. If that is the case, then please tell us what those differences are.
P.S. I know that you don't know, so please feel free to research for an answer.
My bet is that you will find no answer, it is all just more Albino Red Herrings.
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Stone Age Tunnels are man created a massive network of underground tunnels crisecrossing Europe from Scotland to Turkey , a new book on the Ancient superhighways has claimed. German archaeologist, said evidence of the tunnels has been found hundreds of Neolithic settlements all over the continent. Seemingly never ending series of underground tunnels are confirmed to be man-made , and the architecture boggles even the most sophisticated designers.
German archaeologist Dr Heinrich Kusch said evidence of the tunnels has been found under hundreds of Neolithic settlements all over the continent. In his book - Secrets Of The Underground Door To An Ancient World (German title: Tore zur Unterwelt) - he says that the fact so many have survived after 12,000 years shows that the original tunnel network must have been enormous.
In his book, he notes that chapels were often built by the entrances perhaps because the Church were afraid of the heathen legacy the tunnels might have represented, and wanted to negate their influence.
Not for the claustrophobic: Most of the tunnels are just 70cm wide - just wide enough for a person to slowly wriggle through
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Given the lack of life in the caves these first caucasians probably ate each other and suffered many bad things.
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