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All Europeans and Middle Easterns came out of Africa through Egypt.
So, you could say that they're all Ancient Ancient Egyptians. Some of them returned to Africa and Egypt, because they missed their homelands, while other decided to stick it our in the harsh Eurasian climate.
That is why most of these people are related to Ancient and Modern Egyptians, and are very distant from SSA genetically.
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I can show you hundreds and hundreds of Genetic Population clusters that prove that North Africans, and especially Egyptian and Libyan people Do Not Cluster with SSA.
If you have something else, you know very well that is probably Fake Afrocentric manipulated diagrams.
quote:Originally posted by kdolo: 'That is why most of these people are related to Ancient and Modern Egyptians, and are very distant from SSA genetically.'
quote:Originally posted by viceroy: All Europeans and Middle Easterns came out of Africa through Egypt.
So, you could say that they're all Ancient Ancient Egyptians. Some of them returned to Africa and Egypt, because they missed their homelands, while other decided to stick it our in the harsh Eurasian climate.
That is why most of these people are related to Ancient and Modern Egyptians, and are very distant from SSA genetically.
Hmmm.... showing is different from analyzing. But you do have an incredible ability of fantasizing, i'll give you that.
During the Italian war and occupation of Libya, about 50% (YES 50%!) of the Libyan population, mostly Blacks, died in the struggle for independence, mainly in prison camps. --Mike111 (courtesy)
quote:however, the time and the extent of genetic divergence between populations north and south of the Sahara remain poorly understood
--Brenna Henn Published: January 12, 2012 DOI: 10.1371/journal.pgen.1002397:
"Genomic Ancestry of North Africans Supports Back-to-Africa Migrations"
quote: However, the remaining 35% of L mtDNAs form European-specific subclades, revealing that there was gene flow from sub-Saharan Africa toward Europe as early as 11,000 yr ago.
--María Cerezo
Reconstructing ancient mitochondrial DNA links between Africa and Europe
Published in Advance March 27, 2012, doi: 10.1101/gr.134452.111 Genome Res. 2012.
quote: The presence of sub-Saharan L-type mtDNA sequences in North Africa has traditionally been explained by the recent slave trade. However, gene flow between sub-Saharan and northern African populations would also have been made possible earlier through the greening of the Sahara resulting from Early Holocene climatic improvement. In this article, we examine human dispersals across the Sahara through the analysis of the sub-Saharan mtDNA haplogroup L3e5, which is not only commonly found in the Lake Chad Basin (∼17%), but which also attains nonnegligible frequencies (∼10%) in some Northwestern African populations. Age estimates point to its origin ∼10 ka, probably directly in the Lake Chad Basin, where the clade occurs across linguistic boundaries. The virtual absence of this specific haplogroup in Daza from Northern Chad and all West African populations suggests that its migration took place elsewhere, perhaps through Northern Niger. Interestingly, independent confirmation of Early Holocene contacts between North Africa and the Lake Chad Basin have been provided by craniofacial data from Central Niger, supporting our suggestion that the Early Holocene offered a suitable climatic window for genetic exchanges between North and sub-Saharan Africa. In view of its younger founder age in North Africa, the discontinuous distribution of L3e5 was probably caused by the Middle Holocene re-expansion of the Sahara desert, disrupting the clade's original continuous spread.
--Eliška Podgorná et al.
Annals of Human Genetics Volume 77, Issue 6, pages 513–523, November 2013
The Genetic Impact of the Lake Chad Basin Population in North Africa as Documented by Mitochondrial Diversity and Internal Variation of the L3e5 Haplogroup
quote: The new topology of the tree has important implications concerning the origin of haplogroup E1b1. Secondly, within E1b1b1 (E-M35), two haplogroups (E-V68 and E-V257) show similar phylogenetic and geographic structure, pointing to a genetic bridge between southern European and northern African Y chromosomes. Thirdly, most of the E1b1b1*(E-M35*) paragroup chromosomes are now marked by defining mutations, thus increasing the discriminative power of the haplogroup for use in human evolution and forensics.
Within E-M35, there are striking parallels between two haplogroups, E-V68 and E-V257 [...]
However, the absence of E-V68* and E-V257* in the Middle East (Table S2) makes a maritime spread between northern Africa and southern Europe a more plausible hypothesis.
--B Trombetta et al. (2011)
A New Topology of the Human Y Chromosome Haplogroup E1b1 (E-P2) Revealed through the Use of Newly Characterized Binary Polymorphisms
quote: Whereas inferred IBD sharing does not indicate directionality, the North African samples that have highest IBD sharing with Iberian populations also tend to have the lowest proportion of the European cluster in ADMIXTURE (Fig. 1), e.g., Saharawi, Tunisian Berbers, and South Moroccans. For example, the Andalucians share many IBD segments with the Tunisians (Fig. 3), who present extremely minimal levels of European ancestry. This suggests that gene flow occurred from Africa to Europe rather than the other way around.
--Laura R. Botiguéa,1, Brenna M. Henn et al
Gene flow from North Africa contributes to differential human genetic diversity in southern Europe (July 16, 2013)
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The Mesolithic–Neolithic transition in southern Iberia
Resumen:
New data and a review of historiographic information from Neolithic sites of the Malaga and Algarve coasts (southern Iberian Peninsula) and from the Maghreb (North Africa) reveal the existence of a Neolithic settlement at least from 7.5 cal ka BP. The agricultural and pastoralist food producing economy of that population rapidly replaced the coastal economies of the Mesolithic populations. The timing of this population and economic turnover coincided withmajor changes in the continental and marine ecosystems, including upwelling intensity, sea-level changes and increased aridity in the Sahara and along the Iberian coast. These changes likely impacted the subsistence strategies of the Mesolithic populations along the Iberian seascapes and resulted in abandonments manifested as sedimentary hiatuses in some areas during the Mesolithic–Neolithic transition. The rapid expansion and area of dispersal of the early Neolithic traits suggest the use of marine technology. Different evidences for a Maghrebian origin for the first colonists have been summarized.
The recognition of an early North-African Neolithic influence in Southern Iberia and the Maghreb is vital for understanding the appearance and development of the Neolithic in Western Europe. Our review suggests links between climate change, resource allocation, and population turnover.
quote:Originally posted by viceroy: I can show you hundreds and hundreds of Genetic Population clusters that prove that North Africans, and especially Egyptian and Libyan people Do Not Cluster with SSA.
If you have something else, you know very well that is probably Fake Afrocentric manipulated diagrams.
quote:Originally posted by kdolo: 'That is why most of these people are related to Ancient and Modern Egyptians, and are very distant from SSA genetically.'
Hehehe
quote:however, the time and the extent of genetic divergence between populations north and south of the Sahara remain poorly understood
--Brenna Henn Published: January 12, 2012 DOI: 10.1371/journal.pgen.1002397:
"Genomic Ancestry of North Africans Supports Back-to-Africa Migrations"
quote: E-M78 subclades
The distribution of E-M78 subclades among Sudanese is shown in Table 2. Only two chromosomes fell under the paragroup E-M78*. E-V65 and E-V13 were com- pletely absent in the samples analyzed, whereas the other subclades were relatively common. E-V12* accounts for 19.3% and is widely distributed among Su- danese. E-V32 (51.8%) is by far the most common sub- clades among Sudanese. It has the highest frequency among populations of western Sudan and Beja. E-V22 accounts for 27.2% and its highest frequency appears to be among Fulani, but it is also common in Nilo-Saharan speaking groups.
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The Fulani, who possess the lowest population size in this study, have an interesting genetic structure, effectively consisting of two haplogroups or founding lineages. One of the lineages is R-M173 (53.8%), and its sheer frequency suggests either a recent migration of this group to Africa and/or a restricted gene flow due to linguistic or cultural barriers. The high frequency of sub-clade E-V22, which is believed to be northeast African (Cruciani et al., 2007) and haplogroup R-M173, suggests an amalgamation of two populations/cultures that took place sometime in the past in eastern or central Africa. This is also evident from the frequency of the ‘‘T’’ allele of the lactase persistence gene that is uniquely present in considerable frequencies among the Fulani (Mulcare et al., 2004). Interestingly, Fulani language is classified in the Niger-Congo family of languages, which is more prevalent in West Africa and among Bantu speakers, yet their Y-chromosomes show very little evidence of West African genetic affiliation.
It seems, however, that the effective size of the pastorlists and nomadic pastoralists is generally much smaller than groups of sedentary agriculturalists life style. This is intriguing in the sense that one would expect nomadic tribes to be more able to admix, spread, and receive genes than their sedentary counterparts.
--Hisham Y. Hassan, Peter A. Underhill, Luca L. Cavalli-Sforza, and Muntaser E. Ibrahim
Y-Chromosome Variation Among Sudanese: Restricted Gene Flow, Concordance With Language, Geography, and History
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quote:Originally posted by viceroy: I can show you hundreds and hundreds of Genetic Population clusters that prove that North Africans, and especially Egyptian and Libyan people Do Not Cluster with SSA.
If you have something else, you know very well that is probably Fake Afrocentric manipulated diagrams,
quote:Originally posted by kdolo: 'That is why most of these people are related to Ancient and Modern Egyptians, and are very distant from SSA genetically.'
Hehehe
Genes are based on mutations, on a molecular level. Influenced by diet and environmental factors, predominately.
quote: Y-chromosome haplogroup tree
The Y-chromosome haplogroup tree has been constructed manually following YCC 2008 nomenclature20 with some modifications.35 The tree (Supplementary Figure S1) contains the E haplogroups of Eritrean populations from this study and those reported in the literature.22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34 Genotyping results for E-V13, E-V12, E-V22 and E-V32 reported for Eritrean samples and elsewhere23, 27 were retracted to E-M78 haplogroup level. All the analyses in this study were done at the same resolution using the following 17 bi-allelic markers: E-M96, E-M33, E-P2, E-M2, E-M58, E-M191, E-M154, E-M329, E-M215, E-M35, E-M78, E-M81, E-M123, E-M34, E-V6, E-V16/E-M281 and E-M75.
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Median-joining (MJ) network. Network manipulated to fit the geography of the extant populations. MJ network was constructed using E haplogroup frequencies. Group represented by ITAL contains all the Italian samples pooled. Populations’ descriptions are given in Supplementary Table S1.
NJ tree based on FST values generated from Arlequin 3.11. Population names are as given in Supplementary Table S1. Population life style: circle – agriculturalists; square – pastoralists; triangle – nomads; inverted triangle – nomadic pastoralists; diamond – agro-pastoralists. The populations are colored according to their language family: red – Afro-asiatic; blue – Nilo-Saharan; green – Niger-Kordofanian; yellow – Khoisan; black – Italic and Basque.
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Interestingly, this ancestral cluster includes populations like Fulani who has previously shown to display Eastern African ancestry, common history with the Hausa who are the furthest Afro-Asiatic speakers to the west in the Sahel, with a large effective size and complex genetic background.23 The Fulani who currently speak a language classified as Niger-Kordofanian may have lost their original tongue to as sociated sedentary group similar to other cattle herders in Africa a common tendency among pastoralists. Clearly cultural trends exemplified by populations, like Hausa or Massalit, the latter who have neither strong tradition in agriculture nor animal husbandry, were established subsequent to the initial differentiation of haplogroup E. For example, the early clusters within the network also include Nilo-Saharan speakers like Kunama of Eritrea and Nilotic of Sudan who are ardent nomadic pastoralists but speak a language of non-Afro-Asiatic background the predominant linguistic family within the macrohaplogroup.
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The Sahel, which extends between the Atlantic coast of Africa and the Red Sea plateau, represents one of the least sampled areas and populations in the domain of human genetics. The position of Eritrea adjacent to the Red Sea coast provides opportunities for insights regarding human migrations within and beyond the African landscape.
--Eyoab I Gebremeskel1,2 and Muntaser E Ibrahim1
European Journal of Human Genetics (2014) 22, 1387–1392; doi:10.1038/ejhg.2014.41; published online 26 March 2014
Y-chromosome E haplogroups: their distribution and implication to the origin of Afro-Asiatic languages and pastoralism EJHGOpen
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quote:Originally posted by viceroy: I can show you hundreds and hundreds of Genetic Population clusters that prove that North Africans, and especially Egyptian and Libyan people Do Not Cluster with SSA.
If you have something else, you know very well that is probably Fake Afrocentric manipulated diagrams.
quote:Originally posted by kdolo: 'That is why most of these people are related to Ancient and Modern Egyptians, and are very distant from SSA genetically.'
Hehehe
quote: Our objective is to highlight the age of sub-Saharan gene flows in North Africa and particularly in Tunisia. Therefore we analyzed in a broad phylogeographic context sub-Saharan mtDNA haplogroups of Tunisian Berber populations considered representative of ancient settlement. More than 2,000 sequences were collected from the literature, and networks were constructed. [/b]The results show that the most ancient haplogroup is L3*, which would have been introduced to North Africa from eastern sub-Saharan populations around 20,000 years ago.[/b] Our results also point to a less ancient western sub-Saharan gene flow to Tunisia, including haplogroups L2a and L3b. This conclusion points to an ancient African gene flow to Tunisia before 20,000 years BP. These findings parallel the more recent findings of both archaeology and linguistics on the prehistory of Africa. The present work suggests that sub-Saharan contributions to North Africa have experienced several complex population processes after the occupation of the region by anatomically modern humans. Our results reveal that Berber speakers have a foundational biogeographic root in Africa and that deep African lineages have continued to evolve in supra-Saharan Africa.
--Frigi et al.
Ancient Local Evolution of African mtDNA Haplogroups in Tunisian Berber Populations
quote:Description: SUMMARY OF DOCTORAL THESIS The origins of European populations have been addressed from different disciplines, highlighting the contribution of population genetics studies. Shuffle two moments in prehistory in which it has been possible to model the gene pool of populations in Europe: the spread of Neolithic and Palaeolithic period expansions. The ability to recover from bygone population genetics provides a unique opportunity to test the assumptions made in situ from other disciplines. We studied 197 samples from 115 dental and bone individuals 17 archaeological sites Sumerian Neolithic and Middle East, when Meroitic Nubia and Paleolithic era, post-Neolithic and Neolithic of the Iberian Peninsula. We obtained complete sequences of mitochondrial DNA of 244 bp of 35 different individuals, were compared with sequences from the same region of present individuals from 38 populations in Europe, Africa and Middle East. In phylogenetic reconstructions based on Reynolds distance groups of ancient samples are grouped together, separated from the rest of current populations. However, phylogenetic reconstructions made from the haplotypes of ancient and modern samples denote that although the majority of ancient mitochondrial variants are not present in current populations sampled, may relate more or less closely with them. The composition of haplotypes and haplogroups of ancient samples from the Near East and the Iberian Peninsula differs markedly from that found in the current populations of these geographical regions. In the ancient Middle East show highlights in particular the absence of mitochondrial haplogroup J, U3, W and X, associated with the Neolithic expansion into Europe. This may be due either to the sample obtained is not old chronologically or geographically-representative populations of the Middle East that spread during the Neolithic well that these variants were not introduced in Europe during the Neolithic. In the ancient sample of the Iberian Peninsula highlights the presence of 50% of sub-Saharan lines.
--Fernández Domínguez, Eva
Polimorfismos de DNA mitocondrial en poblaciones antiguas de la cuenca mediterránea
quote:"It is at best an intriguing hypothesis but that is likely to remain an unproven one." page 3.
-- Professor Emeritus Glanville Price in Languages in Britain and Ireland.
quote:These original Britons were subjugated by the Romans then displaced by an influx of Anglo Saxons from Germany and Holland in the sixth and seventh centuries AD. Later invasions by the Vikings and the Normans further altered the local population.
The Roman occupation of Britain had a profound impact on trade, culture and technology, but saw little in the way of actual immigration.
After the Roman withdrawal in around 400AD, Britain entered the Dark Ages – and found itself increasingly vulnerable to attack by outside forces.
Wave after wave of Europeans came to displace the native Britons. The three main tribes were the Angles from Angeln in northern Germany, the Saxons from Lower Saxony, and the Jutes from the Jutland Peninsular.
The study found remarkable genetic similarities between the two populations and concluded that a ‘mass migration event’ must have occurred in the Dark Ages. In other words, a flood of Anglo Saxons came to dominate the English gene pool, stopping short at the Welsh border
The Romans founded London, built roads, baths and aqueducts, overhauled trade and introduced coinage.
The Vikings brought with them words from Old Norse that remain in our language today – some of them tellingly aggressive (knife, ransack, die), some rather more elemental (husband, sky, bairn, get, call).
The Normans had arguably the greatest impact, establishing one of the oldest monarchical lines in the word, overhauling the political and legal systems, and fusing French and English words together, as well as kick-starting a thousand-year rivalry with the Old Enemy.
--Mark G Thomas, Michael P.H Stumpf, Heinrich Härke Published 22 October 2006.DOI: 10.1098/rspb.2006.3627
Evidence for an apartheid-like social structure in early Anglo-Saxon England
Genetic Britain: How Roman, Viking and Anglo-Saxon Genes Make up the UK's DNA
Evidence for an apartheid-like social structure in early Anglo-Saxon England
quote:Fifteen generations marks the upper limit for the duration of an Anglo-Saxon/British apartheid-like social structure since, by assuming an intergenerational time of between 25 and 30 years, this is the approximate time span between the initial immigration in the middle of the fifth century and the laws of Alfred the Great (issued around AD 890), which do not contain any indications of legal status differences between Britons and Anglo-Saxons (Whitelock 1979).
Such a distinction is unlikely to have arisen in the seventh century, two centuries after the initial contact. It is much more likely to have originated in the immigration situation of the fifth and early sixth centuries. On the other hand, this ethnic distinction of two intermingling populations and its formalization in law cannot have survived for such a long period without some mechanism that perpetuated the distinction.
--Mark G Thomas,1* Michael P.H Stumpf,2 and Heinrich Härke3
1Department of Biology, University College London, Wolfson House, 4 Stephenson Way
2Centre for Bioinformatics, Imperial College London, Wolfson Building,
3Department of Archaeology, School of Human and Environmental Sciences,
quote:Following depopulation during the last glacial maximum and subsequent resettlement by hunter-gatherers ca. 7000 b.c., the history of Britain has been marked by a series of cultural transitions. These include the appearance of sedentary agricultural communities (the Neolithic transition) (ca. 4000 b.c.), the arrival and spread of Late Bronze-Iron Age and Celtic material culture (ca. 1000–100 b.c.), Roman occupation and influence (a.d. 43–410), the rise of Anglo-Saxon language and culture (ca. a.d. 400–800), Viking invasions and influence (ca. . 800–1000), and the Norman Conquest (a.d. 1066)
--Michael E. Weale*,1, Deborah A. Weiss†,1, Rolf F. Jager*‡, Neil Bradman* and Mark G. Thomas*
Y Chromosome Evidence for Anglo-Saxon Mass Migration
quote:Originally posted by viceroy: All Europeans and Middle Easterns came out of Africa through Egypt.
So, you could say that they're all Ancient Ancient Egyptians. Some of them returned to Africa and Egypt, because they missed their homelands, while other decided to stick it our in the harsh Eurasian climate.
That is why most of these people are related to Ancient and Modern Egyptians, and are very distant from SSA genetically.
quote:Originally posted by viceroy: I can show you hundreds and hundreds of Genetic Population clusters that prove that North Africans, and especially Egyptian and Libyan people Do Not Cluster with SSA.
If you have something else, you know very well that is probably Fake Afrocentric manipulated diagrams.
Your response to this trifling fool is impressive and quite through Ish Gebor. However, might I suggest that you remember that if people don't read your work, they cannot learn from your work.
Therefore it must be presented in a form that is easy to read and understand, and the references are explained or obvious. Oh ya, and that it's broken up into "Bite Sized Pieces".
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"Off with their heads and onto THEIR women" Hammer et al. Sources cited.
Anyone wonder WHY he made the statement?
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To those who read the study. Several things stand out. Ballynahatty the Neolithic is most likely lighter in complexion than Bronze Age Rat1/Rat2/Rat3. Consistently with the Neolithic bringing light skin into Europe.
Also interesting is KITLG the melanin pathway gene is Derived and homogenous for the Neolithic but Ancestral for the Bronze Age Rat123. Again suggesting The Bronze age individuals were darker than the Neolithics
At EDAR760 all groups are Ancestral like modern Africans and Europeans. Meaning they had coarser or thinner hair. Possibly coily hair.
Interestingly the researchers used SNP235 and 549 for the LCT gene but both are ancestral. Unlike modern Europeans.
At A111T both The Neolithic and Rat1 was derived again suggesting the Neolithic was lighter in pigmentation when combined with the other genes.
The Neolithic and Rat1 both had brown/dark eyes based upon genotype.
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Also interesting, looking at fig1-C. The early Bronze age Irish carries 60% Hunter-gatherer, ~30% Neolithic and 10% “Steppe”. Lazaridis et al numbers were about the same 60%WHG and 40%Neolithic. So, to answer your question. No! The Irish are mostly Hunter Gatherers and 30% North African/Neolithics. Yet they carry one of the highest frequency of R1b at about 70%. Which of course does not make sense if R1b came from the Steppes. Plus we already know R1b from the Yamanyas were of a different branch than R1b in western Europe. But that is the game being played. Keep feeding BS to the Euronuts.
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To those who has more experience in this stuff. I looked at the Supp Table S8.1 . Apparently Rat1 carries R1b-M269 markers P311, P310 and P312. These are NOT found in the Yamanya R1b-M269. Meaning Rat1 was NOT a Yamanya descendant. It is not clear for Rat2 and Rat3., More BS by researchers to feed the rabid Euronuts?? I don’t have a complete chart to compare all markers of R1b to definitely place which branch Rat2 and Rat3 belong?
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So the picture emerge is gradually becoming clear. Undoubtedly R1b-M269 was NOT dominant in Ireland prior to the Bronze Age. It is reflected in BOTH the lineage and AIM. Since Irish Neolithics carried no R1b M-269 and no Steppe AIM/SNP. During the Bronze age and after, the R1b M269 seem to have “appeared” along with the supposed Steppe AIM. However this Bronze Age new “arrivals” were DARKER than the population already living there(Neolithics). Where do darker people come from? The South. Also keep in mind the Basque and the Sardinians are the “Europeans” closest to Neolithics yet the Basques carry the one of the highest frequency of R1b-M269(Torronni and Achilli Refugia Theory). Do you know what branch of R1b-M269 the Basque carry? Tic! Toc!
In one study the Basque R1b-M269 was determined YOUNGER than the surrounding European populations? Why?
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All macro haplogroup are of African origin. ALL!!Even Q. Sources cited . The Paragroup to R.
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@TP. Nice “shock and awe”! These fools who quote these studies first off don’t read it and 2nd don’t understand the premise. Euronuts quote the Henn “Back to Africa” Hypothesis but don’t understand HOW she arrived at the Title of the study. Of course she was deliberate in choosing the title. Playing to the hands of the rabid delusional Euronuts. But she was covering her bases when she stated that to confirm her hypothesis more work in the “lineage’ is required. Which is what you posted above. Get it Mike?! There is no lineage linking a back-to Africa from the Middle East. More importantly she stated that “IF” the back-migration occurred it happened 35-40 thousand years ago. We Know E1b1b is less than 20K years old. Added to that , do these Euronuts understand her premise? She based her premise on one thing. Through mathematical manipulation she “observed” bottle-neck in her North African samples and since she “read” there was also a bottle-neck in the first OOA population she supposed these are one and the same people that came back-to-Africa 35-40 thousand years ago. She did not observe genetic relatedness!!!!! She made the absurd conclusion that TWO or more bottles could NOT have occurred. And the bottle neck(s) could not be distinct. She then covered her (azz) by stating that she needs to confirm this by more work with more meaningfull work with other genetic material like….yDNA haplogroups. But we know where that leads to already as you posted. Man, these people, they think we are really fools.
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According to the Nigerian Professor Catherine Acholonu the Irish people and Druid people originated in Africa ore more precisely West Africa. Ireland is Ire land name after the Ibo Sun God Ire also know as Heru. The name Druid of the Irish and British Priests come from the Ibo words Duru Idu. The English magician Merlin name in Ibo is Mel Erin or Black God Erin/Eri.
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She(Henn) probably got paid handsomely for that piece of BS work she published. A career promotion was in order. I see a pattern developing with these young geneticist. Publish a piece of work in support in Euronutism and they will make a name for themselves. Forget facts and science but play the political angle and they will be rewarded. A good example is with the new paper on the Greek origin of the Neolithics in Greece. Really??!! Greece?! Of course the authors were Greeks.
Yet THEIR publish work show that North Africans carry ALL( I repeat ALL) Neolithic packages. LBK, Turk, Greek etc. How can they come to that conclusion yet post data showing North Africans and some South Saharans carry Neolithic AIM? Man, the absurdity of these people.
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To those who still don’t get it. Your sperm carry certain makers that will pass unto your son. And he will pass it unto his son. This will go on for thousands of years through your descendants. A mutation MAY occur but if it does the marks will still fit within the lineage tree. In other words you will know the boy is your descendants. Unless some clandestine infidelity went down. Lol! So if the Irish do NOT carry markers unqiue to the Steppe Yamanya then the Yamanyas are NOT the daddies to the Irish. Give Jerry Springer a call. Your brother fathered your son. He! He! He! BTW these geneticist know this that is why they use words such as possibly, probably, infer etc. They are BSing. They know the truth. They catering to the ignorant.
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@ Mena. I can’t verify your linguist connection since that is not my thing. But there is growing evidence that there were land masses that existed that is now under the Sea. All of this is based upon genetic connection between DISTANT populations. Seychelles, Comorros, Soqotra and Madagascar with populations surround the Indian Ocean. Canary Islanders and Mainland Africans and Europeans. Even the Cape Verde off the coast of West Africa has unique marker NOT found on the mainland Africa. Keep in mind Canary Berbers carry a high frequency of Hunter-Gatherers - more than mainlanders. Implying that hunter gatherers occupied the Canary Islands BEFORE the age of Europeans colonization. And this is borne out in studies that show R1b present in Canary Island populations during early historical period. It will be nice to see what branch of R1b these ancient Canary Islanders belong.
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@xyyman you see comment in the youtube the irish people are like black irish is myth,that the name black irish is talking about somebody hair
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quote:Originally posted by Lawaya: @xyyman you see comment in the youtube the irish people are like black irish is myth, that the name black irish is talking about somebody hair
Are you really THAT gullible?
Or are you trolling?
Bullsh1t from Wiki - but at least hinting at the truth.
Black Irish "Black Irish" redirects here. For Irish people of black African descent, see Black people in Ireland.
Black Irish is an ambiguous term sometimes used (mainly outside Ireland) as a reference to a dark-haired phenotype appearing in people of Irish origin. However, dark hair in people of Irish descent is common, although darker skin complexions appear less frequently. One popular speculation suggests the Black Irish are descendents of survivors of the Spanish Armada, despite research discrediting such claims.
In his documentary series Atlantean, Bob Quinn explores an alternative 'Iberian' hypothesis, proposing the existence of an ancient sea-trading route skirting the Atlantic coast from North Africa and the Iberian Peninsula to regions such as Connemara. While preferring the term "The Atlantean Irish", Quinn's reference to certain phenotypical characteristics (within elements of the Irish populace and diaspora) as possible evidence of a previous Hibernian-Iberian (and possibly Berber) admixture mirrors common descriptions of the Black Irish.
The term has also come to be used to refer to the African-Irish descendants of those who live on Montserrat.[36] A number of whom have Irish surnames, still retain part of their Irish accents and sing bilingual songs.[
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"While preferring the term "The Atlantean Irish", Quinn's reference to certain phenotypical characteristics (within elements of the Irish populace and diaspora) as possible evidence of a previous Hibernian-Iberian (and possibly Berber) admixture mirrors common descriptions of the Black Irish.
The term has also come to be used to refer to the African-Irish descendants of those who live on Montserrat.[36] A number of whom have Irish surnames, still retain part of their Irish accents and sing bilingual songs."
"possibly Berber ?? "
Montserrat ?? descendants of expelled Blacks from Ireland during the Cromwell purges ??
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quote:Originally posted by kdolo: Montserrat ?? descendants of expelled Blacks from Ireland during the Cromwell purges ??
^Of course:
If you remember that Black Europeans were originally Indentures, only later becoming slaves, it all makes perfect sense.
Wiki - (to be taken with a grain of salt):
Montserrat came under English control in 1632 when anti-Catholic violence in Nevis forced a group of Irish people, transported from Ireland as indentured servants, to settle in Montserrat. A neo-feudal colony developed amongst the "redlegs".
The colonists began to transport Sub-Saharan African slaves for labour, as was common to most Caribbean islands. The colonists built an economy based on the production of sugar, rum, arrowroot and sea island cotton, cultivated on large plantations manned by slave labour. By the late 1700s, numerous plantations had been developed on the island. Many Irish continued to be transported to the island, to work as indentured servants; some were exiled during the English Cromwellian conquest of Ireland.
18th century
On 17 March 1768, slaves rebelled but failed to achieve freedom. The people of Montserrat celebrate St Patrick's Day as a public holiday due to the slave revolt. Festivities held that week commemorate the culture of Montserrat in song, dance, food and traditional costumes.
In 1782, during the American Revolutionary War, France briefly captured Montserrat after supporting the American rebels. The French returned the island to Great Britain under the 1783 Treaty of Paris, which ended that conflict.
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Huh! try using some punctuation. I don't get what you are saying. Don't tell me. Another illiterate?
I thought we were discussing that the study. My bad.......
BTW. I don't get my information from Youtubers. I discuss the ACTUAL study with other competent people.
quote:Originally posted by Lawaya: @xyyman you see comment in the youtube the irish people are like black irish is myth,that the name black irish is talking about somebody hair
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Neolithic and Bronze Age migration to Ireland and establishment of the insular Atlantic genome Lara M. Cassidya,1, Rui Martinianoa,1, Eileen M. Murphyb, Matthew D. Teasdalea, James Malloryb, Barrie Hartwellb, and Daniel G. Bradleya,2 Author Affiliations
Edited by Montgomery Slatkin, University of California, Berkeley, CA, and approved November 18, 2015 (received for review September 18, 2015)
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@ Mike. "In his documentary series Atlantean, Bob Quinn explores an alternative 'Iberian' hypothesis, proposing the existence of an ancient sea-trading route skirting the Atlantic coast from North Africa and the Iberian Peninsula to regions such as Connemara. While preferring the term "The Atlantean Irish", Quinn's reference to certain phenotypical characteristics (within elements of the Irish populace and diaspora) as possible evidence of a previous Hibernian-Iberian (and possibly Berber) admixture mirrors common descriptions of the Black Irish. "
Never heard about Hibernian-Iberian-Berber. Amazingly this is the evidence emerging.
Wow! never would of thought. Black Irish. I was only looking at the data published in the study...now there is credibility to the Berber-Irish connection.
Notice in the study, the researchers admitted that the Irish Neolithics have closer affinity the Iberians compared to Middle East. But as usual these researchers place a boundary across to Africa. And did not include Africans in their study. Like if the ancient peoples for some strange reason will NOT migrate to and from Africa. Again placating to the ignorant who do NOT know that Africa and Iberia is only seven miles apart and land masses can be seen from either "continent". Posts: 12143 | From: When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable | Registered: Jun 2007
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quote:Originally posted by kdolo: Don't you know that ....
there is an invisible force field around Africa that prevents anyone from leaving......and it has been there for millions of years...
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Ha,ha,ha,ha: Ya, what nonsense resides in the heads of Albinos.
Imagine what it must be like to be an Albino these days. All the lies and bullsh1t of your people coming down on your head at the same time.
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The Vikings traded all over Europe, and as far east as Central Asia. They bought goods and materials such as silver, silk, spices, wine, jewellery, glass and pottery. In return, they sold items such as honey, tin, wheat, wool, wood, iron, fur, leather, fish and walrus ivory. Everywhere they went the Vikings bought and sold slaves.
. Just making the point that if unsophisticated Albinos could come down, then certainly advanced Blacks could go up.
Remember when asinine Albinos objected to Blacks in a Viking movie? What ignorant asses those people are: made so by their own racism and stupidity. .
"Viking activities at times also extended into the Mediterranean littoral, North Africa, the Middle East and Central Asia."
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quote:Originally posted by Lawaya: @xyyman you see comment in the youtube the irish people are like black irish is myth,that the name black irish is talking about somebody hair
Are you a Zulu?
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: BTW - the study is
Neolithic and Bronze Age migration to Ireland and establishment of the insular Atlantic genome Lara M. Cassidya,1, Rui Martinianoa,1, Eileen M. Murphyb, Matthew D. Teasdalea, James Malloryb, Barrie Hartwellb, and Daniel G. Bradleya,2 Author Affiliations
Edited by Montgomery Slatkin, University of California, Berkeley, CA, and approved November 18, 2015 (received for review September 18, 2015)
Thanks, I will look it up.
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It is really hilarious and mind buggling how these Euronutz think. Sometimes I am tempted to call the disease Albinism(melanin deficiency). It fukgs with their minds.
They assume that these prehistoric Africans will see a land mass a few miles away(Iberia). Land they can probably swim to but instead will say to themselve, fugk it, we will take the long way around. 4000 miles East to the Sinai and then back 4000miles to Iberia. Lol! Along the way they will see Sardinia and Malta and Sicily and the Greek Islands. These Africans will ignore all these land mass but cross the Sania and/or build a boat to cross the Straits of Bal Barb or the Red Sea. Stupid Africans will not build a boat to cross the Straits of Gibraltar. Lol!
What is even more fascinating is some of these idiot blacks repeat the same nonsense.
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: It is really hilarious and mind buggling how these Euronutz think. Sometimes I am tempted to call the disease Albinism(melanin deficiency). It fukgs with their minds.
They assume that these prehistoric Africans will see a land mass a few miles away(Iberia). Land they can probably swim to but instead will say to themselve, fugk it, we will take the long way around. 4000 miles East to the Sinai and then back 4000miles to Iberia. Lol! Along the way they will see Sardinia and Malta and Sicily and the Greek Islands. These Africans will ignore all these land mass but cross the Sania and/or build a boat to cross the Straits of Bal Barb or the Red Sea. Stupid Africans will not build a boat to cross the Straits of Gibraltar. Lol!
What is even more fascinating is some of these idiot blacks repeat the same nonsense.
The explanation they will give it: they got there are slaves. It's actually a classic.
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: What is even more fascinating is some of these idiot blacks repeat the same nonsense.
Yes, the pity of beaten-down Negroes.
It reminds me of a T.V. reality type show I happened across, just as one of the resident Negroes was opining that he knew a particular man involved in a swimming feat, wasn't Black, because Blacks don't swim!
Talk about Dumb Niggers!
These fools don't know their race, or their Planets features.
Note to Dumb Niggers:
Blacks are the group who are residents of most of the worlds coastlines - by a very large margin.Posts: 22721 | Registered: Oct 2005
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The way Ph.D. Wesley Muhammad puts it: "Niggerfied". They need a "deniggerfication" process (lessening the nigger behavior, until it is gone). This logically and directly means, that there aren't and can't be smart niggers. Such thing doesn't exist. Their nigga' attempt and mass self-infliction is evidenced of this.
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@mike111 I was just asking an question about black irish cause white people say black irish means black hair
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@xyyman what's up with the name calling, I was just asking an question what white people say that black irish means black hair
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Xy-YT-hater, this coming from a White people hating, pro-White genocide,Black racist,Black supremacist Afro-nut.One who claims that Whites are diseased,inferior,stupid,talentless, wicked/evil at birth,non-humans with no history,no heritage,no identity,no place on earth we belong,incapable of building/accomplishing/achieving anything,no right to exist,no right to racial pride,no right to self determination who should all just die out already.
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quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Xy-YT-hater, this coming from a White people hating, pro-White genocide,Black racist,Black supremacist Afro-nut.One who claims that Whites are diseased,inferior,stupid,talentless, wicked/evil at birth,non-humans with no history,no heritage,no identity,no place on earth we belong,incapable of building/accomplishing/achieving anything,no right to exist,no right to racial pride,no right to self determination who should all just die out already.
quote: Armed only with a strict code of conduct that forbade them to strike back or curse their opponents, demonstrators endured jeers, spitting, and blows by angry whites
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