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Who Were The Spartans and Etruscans and Where Did They Come From?
I will attempt to answer this question using the earliest information and historical writings by the Hebrew historian Josephus THE ANTIQUITIES OF THE JEWS, Apocryphal book I Maccabees, Plutarch and the Greek historians Dionysius of Halicarnassus,Diodorus Siculus and Herodotus, there is good evidence to the effect that the Lacedaemonian Greeks and the so called Etruscans were descendants of the Hebrew Israelites from the tribe of Dan.
The Hebrew historian Josephus has recorded an exchange of letters between the Greek Lacedaemonians and the Jews of Palestine in 167 BC in which 'the Israelite descent of the Lacedaemonians is definitely established,their seal, that of the tribe of Dan, was affixed to the epistle -- an eagle with a dragon in its claws in his Antiquities, XIII, V, 8.
"Areus, King Of The Lacedemonians, To Onias, Sendeth Greeting. We have met with a certain writing, whereby we have discovered that both the Jews and the Lacedemonians are of one stock, and are derived from the kindred of Abraham. It is but just therefore that you, who are our brethren, should send to us about any of your concerns as you please. We will also do the same thing, and esteem your concerns as our own, and will look upon our concerns as in common with yours. Demoteles, who brings you this letter, will bring your answer back to us. This letter is four-square ;and the seal is an eagle, with a dragon in his claws."---------THE ANTIQUITIES OF THE JEWS Book 12 Chp 4 Sec 10
In the history of the 12 tribes of Israel Banners or emblems were used to represent each tribe. The tribe of Dan used the Eagle with a Serpent.
Tribe of Dan = Dan means judge in Palo Hebrew Genesis 49:16 "Dan shall judge his people, As one of the tribes of Israel"
The symbolism of the eagle is often connected with judgment.
Genesis 49:17 -Dan will be a snake by the roadside, a viper along the path, that bites the horse's heels so that its rider tumbles backward.
Danite Lacedaemonian Culture Described By Greek Historian Herodotus
The Greek historian Herodotus described some of the culture and history of the Lacedaemonian Hebrews, Herodotus explains that they were not native to Greece, they were Hellenes, He explained their observance of the Hebrew New moon and holly Sabbath on the 7th day of the month. He mistakenly mistook the Lacedaemonians as descendants of Egyptians, that was a common mistake among the nations not familiar with the Hebrew migrations out of Egypt.
Herodotus Account: Lacedemonians are Hellenes
"This is the report given by the Lacedemonians alone of all the Hellenes; (Herodotus Book 6: Erato 53)
Herodotus Account: New Moon Celebrations and Holly 7th day Ceremonials Of The Lacedemonian Hebrews
"that on every new moon and seventh day of the month there shall be delivered at the public charge to each one of these a full-grown victim(Bullock) in the temple of Apollo, and a measure of barley-groats and a Laconian "quarter" of wine; and that at all the games they shall have seats of honour specially set apart for them: (Herodotus Book 6: Erato 57)
Hebrew Scripture that proves the Hebrew Sabbath ceremony New Moon and 7th day Holly Sabbath Celebration Account
New Moon Celebration = "and at every presentation of a burnt offering to the Lord on the Sabbaths and on the New Moons and on the set feasts, by number according to the ordinance governing them, regularly before the Lord; -1 Chronicles 23:31
Holly 7th Day Sabbath Celebration = "Remember the Sabbath day, and keep it holy. For six days you shall labour and do all your work. But the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God; you shall not do any work" - Ex 20-17
Tribe of Dan "Lacedaemonian " Migration Into Greece and Italy
According to the history of the native Italian Sabines by Greek historian Dionysius of Halicarnassus a group of Lacedaemonians fled Sparta and migrated into Pomentine plains near Foronia Italy.
Dionysius of Halicarnassus account: Migration of the Lacedaemonian Hebrews to Italy
"There is also another account given of the Sabines in the native histories, to the effect that a colony of Lacedaemonians settled among them at the time when Lycurgus, being guardian to his nephew Eunomus, gave his laws to Sparta. For the story goes that some of the Spartans, disliking the severity of his laws and separating from the rest, quitted the city entirely, and after being borne through a vast stretch of sea, made a vow to the gods to settle in the first land they should reach; for a longing came upon them for any land whatsoever. At last they made that part of Italy which lies near the Pomentine plains and they called the place where they first landed Foronia, in memory of their being borne through the sea, and built a temple owing to the goddess Foronia, to whom they had addressed their vows; this goddess, by the alteration of one letter, they now call Feronia. And some of them, setting out from thence, settled among the Sabines. It is for this reason, they say, that many of the habits of the Sabines are Spartan, particularly their fondness for war and their frugality and a severity in all the actions of their lives. But this is enough about the Sabine race".-------DIONYSIUS OF HALICARNASSUS ROMAN ANTIQUITIES Book I XLIX 49 p 451-453
The Hebrews Danaus and Cadmus Migration out Of Egypt During The Hebrew Exodus History of the Hebrews by Diodorus Siculus
For since the multitudes of strangers of different nationalities, who lived there, made use of their foreign rites in religious ceremonies and sacrifices, the ancient manner of worshipping the gods, practised by the ancestors of the Egyptians, had been quite lost and forgotten. Therefore the native inhabitants concluded that, unless all the foreigners were driven out, they would never be free from their miseries. All the foreigners were forthwith expelled, and the most valiant and noble among them, under some notable leaders, were brought to Greece and other places, as some relate; the most famous of their leaders were Danaus and Cadmus. But the majority of the people descended into a country not far from Egypt, which is now called Judaea and at that time was altogether uninhabited.
The leader of this colony was one Moses, a very wise and valiant man, who, after he had possessed himself of the country, amongst other cities, built that now most famous city, Jerusalem, and the temple there, which is so greatly revered among them.----(History of the Hebrews by Diodorus Siculus Book 40)
There you go the History of the Spartans and Etruscans both people originate from the same stock of people HEBREWS not phoenicians but HEBREWS
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I know some of the brothas are big into what was “written”. And I applaud the time and dedication it takes to decipher these writings. But! Newflash! Remains of the Etruscans have alerady been genetically tested. That goes for the Nuragic also. Sergi did his analysis through skull measurements. So….in short. Scientific Analysis has already been performed to determine the origin the the Etruscans. And please! Read updated studies. They are NOT Turks. Barbujani et al has the most updated study of the Etruscans. As for the Greeks/Spartans. Suprisingly very little genetic work has been done. But again for scientific work such as skulls you got Larry Angel and G. Sergi.
Is there is no better way to determine the origin of a people than test their ACTUAL remains (insert sarcasm)?
Now..back to what was ……..written.
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As we are seeing. ACTUAL testing of ancient Europeans have changed our views on what they looked like and who/what they were.
Even the racialist Dienekes find it odd they haven’t done much testing on the ancient Greeks. The few tests they have been performed on the Greeks are kept under lock and key, the results are NOT made public . Could it be they don’t like what they are seeing ? hmmmmmm!
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Even the racialist Dienekes find it odd they haven’t done much testing on the ancient Greeks. The few tests they have been performed on the Greeks are kept under lock and key, the results are NOT made public . Could it be they don’t like what they are seeing ? hmmmmmm!
Not only could it be:
That is in fact the reason!
The racist lies of the Albinos are crumbling.
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: I know some of the brothas are big into what was “written”. And I applaud the time and dedication it takes to decipher these writings. But! Newflash! Remains of the Etruscans have alerady been genetically tested. That goes for the Nuragic also. Sergi did his analysis through skull measurements. So….in short. Scientific Analysis has already been performed to determine the origin the the Etruscans. And please! Read updated studies. They are NOT Turks. Barbujani et al has the most updated study of the Etruscans. As for the Greeks/Spartans. Suprisingly very little genetic work has been done. But again for scientific work such as skulls you got Larry Angel and G. Sergi.
Is there is no better way to determine the origin of a people than test their ACTUAL remains (insert sarcasm)?
Now..back to what was ……..written.
Well you are sadly mistaken Genetics is like alchemy its FALSE info sorry! No way in HELL can anyone take old CONTAMINATED Bones and try to find out where this person came from you Dumb if you follow that crap thats NOT science its Pseudo Science.
So lets get down to bussiness here there were at least two different races that lived in Italy and they were ALL Negro.
first people in Italy were called The Sabines original territory, straddling the modern regions of Lazio, Umbria, and Abruzzo, Sabinium. Then around the 6th century the Spartans(Hebrew) migrated into Italy and them having a more sophisticated culture became the dominate culture
Thats known history you need to read more
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: As we are seeing. ACTUAL testing of ancient Europeans have changed our views on what they looked like and who/what they were.
Even the racialist Dienekes find it odd they haven’t done much testing on the ancient Greeks. The few tests they have been performed on the Greeks are kept under lock and key, the results are NOT made public . Could it be they don’t like what they are seeing ? hmmmmmm!
I will also respond to this uneducated comment Is there is no better way to determine the origin of a people than test their ACTUAL remains (insert sarcasm)?
Now..back to what was ……..written.
No we can use any other source why? this is why?
It may be stated categorically that no archaeological discovery has ever controverted a Biblical reference. Scores of archaeological findings have been made which confirm in clear outline or exact detail historical statements in the Bible. And, by the same token, proper evaluation of Biblical descriptions has often led to amazing discoveries
On the whole, however, archaeological work has unquestionably strengthened confidence in the reliability of the Scriptural record. More than one archaeologist has found his respect for the Bible increased by the experience of excavation in Palestine....Archaeology has in many cases refuted the views of modern critics. It has shown, in a number of instances, that these views rest on false assumptions and unreal, artificial schemes of historical development. This is a real contribution and not to be minimized.
Thats why! here is more info for you about the authenticity of the bible
Question for mike and xyyman
Can scripture be trusted as Historical facts?
If the critics want to disregard the New Testament, then they must also disregard other ancient writings by Plato, Aristotle, and Homer. This is because the New Testament documents are better preserved and more numerous than any other ancient writings. Because they are so numerous, they can be cross checked for accuracy . . . and they are very consistent.
There are presently 5,686 Greek manuscripts in existence today for the New Testament. If we were to compare the number of New Testament manuscripts to other ancient writings, we find that the New Testament manuscripts far outweigh the others in quantity.
In addition, there are over 19,000 copies in the Syriac, Latin, Coptic, and Aramaic languages. The total supporting New Testament manuscript base is over 24,000.
Reliability of the Old Testament And The Septuagint:
There are currently over 2000 classified manuscripts of the Septuagint
The Dead Sea Scrolls discovered in 1947 are dated from the third century B.C. to the first century A.D. These manuscripts predate by 1000 years the previous oldest manuscripts. They represent every Old Testament book except Esther (as well as non-biblical writings). There is word for word identity in more than 95% of the cases, and the 5% variation consists mostly of slips of the pen and spelling.
1. Plato - 427-347 B.C. Earliest Copy - A.D. 900. Approximate Time Span between original & copy - 1,200 yrs Number of Copies - 7
2. Herodotus 480-425 B.C. Earliest Copy- A.D. 900. Approximate Time Span between original & copy - 1,300 yrs Number of Copies- 8
3. Homer (Iliad) 900 B.C Earliest Copy- 400 B.C Approximate Time Span between original & copy - 500 yrs Number of Copies-643
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I am with you. Dinosaurs never walked the earth.....
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Xyyman: "Even the racialist Dienekes find it odd they haven’t done much testing on the ancient Greeks. The few tests they have been performed on the Greeks are kept under lock and key, the results are NOT made public . Could it be they don’t like what they are seeing ? hmmmmmm! "
I've noticed that statues of ancient young Greeks have a straight, high-bridged nose, like a northern Hindu; then with age the nose lengthens and curves, like an Arab. I saw the same thing in Nat'l Geographic photo of a young Afghan girl with green eyes and straight nose, and a photo of her as a grandma, her nose became beak-like. They reminded me of old Somalis and Ethiopians.
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From what I know, the only ancient civilization they have focused on so deep is ancient Egypt.
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