I don't know why you are wasting your time with Xyman. Again this guy is assioaciting a haplogropup like "e1b1ba" with a phenotype like "Negroids" to say Negroids are a recent people. This guy doesn't even have a basick grasp of anthrpology. Which is why I stopped respinding to him.
Saying "negroids" are a recent group is in the same schooling thinking of Eurocentrics and racist "hamitics" who say the SAME THING!
But anyways good job. I already point out to him that "Negroid" populations like the Hadza already carry VERY ancient haplogroups much older than those "Asian negros."
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quote:Originally posted by BlessedbyHorus: [QB] ^^^Proof?
The humid area that the early humans lived in would have not supported straight hair like those found in Australod/Dravidian.
Human DNA is 94% similar to chimpanzees and share a common ancestor with humans. Chimpanzees live in the hot humid climate of tropical Rain forests in Africa. Nighttime Temperatures can fall to 50 degrees Fahrenheit and can feel cooler due to the frequent rainfall
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These two go good in tandem.
quote:Originally posted by xyyman:
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quote:Originally posted by BlessedbyHorus: [QB] ^^^Proof?
The humid area that the early humans lived in would have not supported straight hair like those found in Australod/Dravidian.
Human DNA is 94% similar to chimpanzees and share a common ancestor with humans. Chimpanzees live in the hot humid climate of tropical Rain forests in Africa. Nighttime Temperatures can fall to 50 degrees Fahrenheit and can feel cooler due to the frequent rainfall
What is it you're implying?
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: What is it you're implying?
I'm not implying anything. I'm comparing BlessedbyHorus statement and seeing if it is consistent with related facts. xyyman deals with the implications
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Some of us are caught in Afro-Centric and Eurocentric dogma. Understand I am partial to the Africanist point view. But at the same time I would not ignore the FACTS. Eg.
We now know the Amarnas are closest related to South Africans and other shorties(words used by the Sage). Then Great Lakes Africans then West Africans compared to other world populations. Genetically. But Phenotypically many of us don't see the close connection. Why don't the Amarnas "look like" San and Twa etc? These are the questions you need to ask yourself and work towards understanding. Plasticity...at a rapid rate? Convergent evolution?
Negroids are found all of the planet. Prognatism and black skin is found all over the planet. Wolly hair is found over the Eurasia. Are the AEians indigenous Africans? Undoubtedly they are. Do they have Negroid and Caucasoid features? Undoubtedly. Are they mixed with European? Definitely not. Are they close to modern day "Arabs"? according to DNATribes database , no! they are not!
My point. And the FACTS are we know that AMH that left Africa was black skinned. Ancient Europeans were black skinned until recently ~6000ya. La Brana etc. AMH left Africa as black negroids if you consider Australians as Negros. Are Andaman Islander African Negros? Lol!
SMH
The Natufians are expected to be Negros same as early Europeans. Why? All humans came from Africa. Lol! All Caucasoid came from Africa also. Lol!
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He is implying that straight hair can be found in Tropical Areas.
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The Amarnas are most closely related to U Egyptians, Sudanese, and Somalis.
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No. The Amarnas are most closely reakated to South Africans, Great Lakes Africans and West Africans. DNATribes database
we went over this already. do you have NEW information you would like to share with us?
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I already posted examples like all 16 of Thuya's reported alleles show up in living Upper Egyptians and Sudanese. Somalis have 14 of them.
SAFRb, KENb, SENm, YOR only have 12 out of 16 of Thuya's reported alleles.
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quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: I already posted examples like all 16 of Thuya's reported alleles show up in living Upper Egyptians and Sudanese. Somalis have 14 of them.
SAFRb, KENb, SENm, YOR only have 12 out of 16 of Thuya's reported alleles.
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You're just an ideolog Afrocentric blindsiding facts which blow your little toy boat out your bathtub.Too bad, science goes on without you. Your asz was schooled wsy back on page 22.
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OH! This is not the only study that put E1b1a at only about 6000 years old. The same study also put R1b-L11 even younger at about 4000years old. IIRC it was Hammer et al. ESR has the quoted studies. In other words. Modern West Africans are new migrants to West Africa coming from the East displacing the indigenous San and TWA like people. That is why West Africans are the 3rd closest African to the Amarnas. They are even closer to the Amarnas than even the Berbers who themselves are indigenous Africans.
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: siiiigh! keep up people. All RECENT DATING PUTS E1b1a between 5-12000yo,
notice hg-O also
could you give me the reference for this, please.
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quote:Originally posted by BlessedbyHorus: [QB] ^^^Proof?
The humid area that the early humans lived in would have not supported straight hair like those found in Australod/Dravidian.
Human DNA is 94% similar to chimpanzees and share a common ancestor with humans. Chimpanzees live in the hot humid climate of tropical Rain forests in Africa. Nighttime Temperatures can fall to 50 degrees Fahrenheit and can feel cooler due to the frequent rainfall
Wow... Comparing human hair to animal fur? You can do better Lioness. If I remember correctly scientist have said that hair on the head is different from fur because due to the fact that fur stops growing when it reaches a certain length, but our head hair continues to grow.
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Hg E SRY4064 is what, ~40k? E-P2 goes back around 30k. E-M33, strictly W AFR, ~15k. The E-M2 parent is ~19k.
NO is some 34k. O-M175 is ~28k. N-M231 = ~20k.
Please correct/update these figures.
Please use the defining mutation not the ever changing string of letter and number combinations that are here today and gone tomorrow.
Thanks
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: What is it you're implying?
I'm not implying anything. I'm comparing BlessedbyHorus statement and seeing if it is consistent with related facts. xyyman deals with the implications
Then why chimpanzee?
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I already explained tightly coiled hair in humans: small dome dwellings and radiating outwardly touch receptors (peppercorn/afro hair).
Tukuler: "How do we know the 1st Austalians did or did not have E Afr wooly hair?"
They did, they were Queensland pygmies dwelling in banana dome dwellings, probably arrived via Java-Bali, since their tribe names are (Austl) Barrine/Mbabaram and (Papua) Yali, and are related to (Malayan) Semai and (Thai) Mani. As they expanded inland they walked under open sky, their brow ridges enlarged to protect vision as their hair became less tightly coiled due to leaving the rainforest and dome dwellings sleeping in the open dry plains.
Chimpanzees have the typical mammal "straight" body hair, they never sleep in small dome dwellings, but in open bowl nests, their hair protects them from flying biting insects while asleep.
quote:Originally posted by BlessedbyHorus: [QB] ^^^Proof?
The humid area that the early humans lived in would have not supported straight hair like those found in Australod/Dravidian.
Human DNA is 94% similar to chimpanzees and share a common ancestor with humans. Chimpanzees live in the hot humid climate of tropical Rain forests in Africa. Nighttime Temperatures can fall to 50 degrees Fahrenheit and can feel cooler due to the frequent rainfall
Wow... Comparing human hair to animal fur? You can do better Lioness. If I remember correctly scientist have said that hair on the head is different from fur because due to the fact that fur stops growing when it reaches a certain length, but our head hair continues to grow.
Body, facial and hair on the head are different. So indeed the chimpanzee made no sense.
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^Prove it wrong then instead of using psuedoscience to compare freaking human hair to fur.
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