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Former Imam of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, Adel Kalbani: Daesh ISIS have the same beliefs as we do In a TV appearance, Sheikh Adel AlKilbani, former Imam of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, is asked to comment about some of his statements about Daesh.
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Scholars divided over imam's fatwa on music
A majority of the Saudi scholars, whether in the official religious establishment or outside it, are unanimous in their stand against singing and music despite the fact that a huge singing opera is presented every year during the National Cultural and Heritage Festival (Janadriya).
Shaikh Adel Al Kalbani, former imam of the Grand Mosque in Makkah
Riyadh: A fatwa (religious ruling) issued by Shaikh Adel Al Kalbani, a former imam of the Grand Mosque in Makkah, in which he claimed that Islam does not forbid singing and music has split Saudi scholars, Islamic thinkers and secularists. "There is no clear-cut religious ruling that says singing and music are not permissible in Islam," Al Kalbani has said.
His fatwa shocked many of his supporters and students because he was one of the most fanatical scholars during the 1980s who strongly opposed singing and music. People are astonished by this 180 degrees shift in attitude.
A number of Saudi scholars, preachers, men of letters and writers who spoke to Gulf News were divided on the fatwa. Al Kalbani was strongly criticised specially on the internet which many of them said Al Kalbani has exited the Islamic Jamaa (group).
Al Kalbani is a son of an emigrant from the UAE who came to Saudi Arabia from Ras Al Khaimah in the 1950s looking for work.
He said in his new fatwa that singing was not against Islam if it was made for entertainment and did not include foul language. Moderate approach
Al Kalbani, who is nicknamed "Obama of Saudi Arabia" said it is not right to say singing is totally not permissible under Islam and also not right to say it is absolutely forbidden by the religion. "We should always be moderate," he said. He also approved the Saudi folklore dances such as Al Ardah Al Najdiyah, Al Khibaiti, Al Samri and Al Mizmar Al Hijazi. He cited the rulings issued by imam Al Nawawi and Ibn Katheer permitting folklore dances in social occasions such as wedding and circumcision.
Shaikh Saleh Allihaidan, former chairman of the Supreme Judicial Council and member of the Supreme Council of Senior Saudi Scholars, said Al Kalbani was an imam of a mosque and not a qualified scholar to issue fatwas.
"Al Kalbani should not meddle in fatwas. He should stay in his mosque to lead prayers and recite [the] Quran. He should not put his nose in the issues concerning fatwas," he said.
Shaikh Abdul Aziz Al Fouzan, a renowned Saudi scholar joined Shaikh Allihaidan in his attack against Al Kalbani. "Al Kalbani has made himself a mufti without any Islamic knowledge or piety," he said.
Dr Mohammad Al Hamoud Al Najdi, an Islamic researcher, asked people not to heed Al Kalbani's fatwa permitting singing and music. "How can Al Kalbani go that far while he knows very well that the Muslim leaders and scholars of Saudi Arabia believe that Islam does not permit singing and music?" he questioned.
Al Kalbani himself was against singing and music but he has changed his mind. "I have read the fatwas of those saying singing and music were against Islam.
"I strongly supported them and had a famous sermon on this but I changed my mind when I found out that prohibition of singing and music in Islam was based on weak evidences," he said. People who love singing and music were quick to support Al Kalbani. Saudi publisher and media personality Osman Al Omair welcomed Al Kalbani's fatwa and said those who say singing and music were haram are as good as animals.
He said in an interview with MBC that the people who do not give much attention to music live like animals. "Music is the sign of civilisation and progress of any society," he said.
Muneef Al Shammari, a writer, said those who permit music do not necessarily approve of the corruption and immorality of the singers. "The scholars who permit music do not approve dancing, nudity and corrupt clips preaching vulgarity and corruption," he said.
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^I have no particular point of view here, I just find it interesting how Islamist's think and talk to each other.
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Looks like a vile disgusting piece of ****...
He is probably one of those types of Blacks that hates Black Africans/other Blacks and wants to re-instate legalized slavery of Blacks, and licks the asses of Turk albino's and Turk mulatto's for approval, and hates himself for looking like a Black African; and he has turned to radical Islam to compensate for his racial inferiority complex towards Turks and Turk mulatto's.
In short, he is basically the Islamic Saudi version of Justice clarence Thomas, and the Uncle Tom guy from Django unchained put together...
God I want to seriously to shoot his face w/ a large gun; or pummel it w/ a large object. Looks like a vile disgusting scumbag...
But maybe I am being too judgmental....
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'He is probably one of those types of Blacks that hates Black Africans/other Blacks'
Do you know who produces just about all of the world's notable music and singing and just about every music form developed in that last 100 to 150 years ??
This is as pro Black a stance as one can have. Hence the controversy. (The Turk mulattoes dont like it). Learn to understand the codes. Here is a breakdown of ethnic reputation of Blacks from over 1000 years ago.
Al-Jahiz (776-869): Al-Fakhar al-Sudan min al-Abyadh (Superiority Of The Blacks To The Whites)
"Everybody knows that the Zanj are among the most generous of mortals ; a quality that is found only among noble characters. These people have a natural talent for dancing to the rhythm of the tambourine, without needing to learn it. There are no better singers anywhere in the world, no people more polished and eloquent, and no people less given to insulting language. All other peoples in the world have their stammerers, those who have difficulty in pronouncing certain sounds, and those who cannot express themselves fluently or are downright tongue-tied, except the Zanj. Sometimes some of them recite before their ruler continuously from sunrise to sunset, without needing to turn round or pause in their flow."
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mindovermatter: Looks like a vile disgusting piece of ****...
He is probably one of those types of Blacks that hates Black Africans/other Blacks and wants to re-instate legalized slavery of Blacks, and licks the asses of Turk albino's and Turk mulatto's for approval, and hates himself for looking like a Black African; and he has turned to radical Islam to compensate for his racial inferiority complex towards Turks and Turk mulatto's.
In short, he is basically the Islamic Saudi version of Justice clarence Thomas, and the Uncle Tom guy from Django unchained put together...
God I want to seriously to shoot his face w/ a large gun; or pummel it w/ a large object. Looks like a vile disgusting scumbag...
But maybe I am being too judgmental.... [/QUOTE if he dislike/hate other Africans how you know he don't like them cause of tribal reason?.. everybody in Africa are not pro black like African American are, that's not how Africans are their tribal
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Scholars divided over imam's fatwa on music
A majority of the Saudi scholars, whether in the official religious establishment or outside it, are unanimous in their stand against singing and music despite the fact that a huge singing opera is presented every year during the National Cultural and Heritage Festival (Janadriya).
Shaikh Adel Al Kalbani, former imam of the Grand Mosque in Makkah
Riyadh: A fatwa (religious ruling) issued by Shaikh Adel Al Kalbani, a former imam of the Grand Mosque in Makkah, in which he claimed that Islam does not forbid singing and music has split Saudi scholars, Islamic thinkers and secularists. "There is no clear-cut religious ruling that says singing and music are not permissible in Islam," Al Kalbani has said.
His fatwa shocked many of his supporters and students because he was one of the most fanatical scholars during the 1980s who strongly opposed singing and music. People are astonished by this 180 degrees shift in attitude.
A number of Saudi scholars, preachers, men of letters and writers who spoke to Gulf News were divided on the fatwa. Al Kalbani was strongly criticised specially on the internet which many of them said Al Kalbani has exited the Islamic Jamaa (group).
Al Kalbani is a son of an emigrant from the UAE who came to Saudi Arabia from Ras Al Khaimah in the 1950s looking for work.
He said in his new fatwa that singing was not against Islam if it was made for entertainment and did not include foul language. Moderate approach
Al Kalbani, who is nicknamed "Obama of Saudi Arabia" said it is not right to say singing is totally not permissible under Islam and also not right to say it is absolutely forbidden by the religion. "We should always be moderate," he said. He also approved the Saudi folklore dances such as Al Ardah Al Najdiyah, Al Khibaiti, Al Samri and Al Mizmar Al Hijazi. He cited the rulings issued by imam Al Nawawi and Ibn Katheer permitting folklore dances in social occasions such as wedding and circumcision.
Shaikh Saleh Allihaidan, former chairman of the Supreme Judicial Council and member of the Supreme Council of Senior Saudi Scholars, said Al Kalbani was an imam of a mosque and not a qualified scholar to issue fatwas.
"Al Kalbani should not meddle in fatwas. He should stay in his mosque to lead prayers and recite [the] Quran. He should not put his nose in the issues concerning fatwas," he said.
Shaikh Abdul Aziz Al Fouzan, a renowned Saudi scholar joined Shaikh Allihaidan in his attack against Al Kalbani. "Al Kalbani has made himself a mufti without any Islamic knowledge or piety," he said.
Dr Mohammad Al Hamoud Al Najdi, an Islamic researcher, asked people not to heed Al Kalbani's fatwa permitting singing and music. "How can Al Kalbani go that far while he knows very well that the Muslim leaders and scholars of Saudi Arabia believe that Islam does not permit singing and music?" he questioned.
Al Kalbani himself was against singing and music but he has changed his mind. "I have read the fatwas of those saying singing and music were against Islam.
"I strongly supported them and had a famous sermon on this but I changed my mind when I found out that prohibition of singing and music in Islam was based on weak evidences," he said. People who love singing and music were quick to support Al Kalbani. Saudi publisher and media personality Osman Al Omair welcomed Al Kalbani's fatwa and said those who say singing and music were haram are as good as animals.
He said in an interview with MBC that the people who do not give much attention to music live like animals. "Music is the sign of civilisation and progress of any society," he said.
Muneef Al Shammari, a writer, said those who permit music do not necessarily approve of the corruption and immorality of the singers. "The scholars who permit music do not approve dancing, nudity and corrupt clips preaching vulgarity and corruption," he said.
Hanafi and Wahabbism are both based on "white" or Indo-European ideas and cultural traditions about keeping women in check and hating music and poetry. THat is why both Wahhabis and Christian fndamentalist are anti-Afro-American and African Muslim acceptance of Sufism.
Sadly, Blacks today are ignorant of the Islamic history of African people and they have adopted the cultural traditions of the Hanafis and Wahabbis as authentic "Islam" because this brand of Muslim thinking is held by the people of Arabia.
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The next time there is an Islamist horror committed, and hundreds/thousands of innocent men,women,children slaughtered, here is the man to blame - he started it all!
Sayyid Qutb
WHY?
Seems he stopped in at a Colorado Church dance in 1949, and saw teenagers dancing with BREASTS touching boys chests (Oh the horror), also some of them were kissing too!
Well he went right home and wrote a book about these horrors.
And when his fellow Islamist's heard about it, they were outraged too, and all committed themselves to destroying the U.S.A.
But first the decided to bring down Islamist governments friendly with the U.S.
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^I know some of you are pounding your heads against the wall and moaning - NO, all those innocent people could not have been killed because of THAT!
Hey, it's a crazy world, with lots of crazy people!
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Between 6% and 9% of the Oase individual's genome is from Neanderthals - an unprecedented amount.
By comparison, present-day Europeans have between 2% and 4%.
Oase was probably not responsible for passing on Neanderthal ancestry to present-day Europeans. The analysis shows the man was more closely related to modern East Asians and Native Americans than to today's Europeans.
Is this guy's homeland Africa or Asia?
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"he suffered from respiratory and other health problems throughout his life and was known for "his introvertedness, isolation, depression and concern." In appearance, he was "pale with sleepy eyes."[19] Qutb never married, in part because of his steadfast religious convictions. While the urban Egyptian society he lived in was becoming more Westernized, Qutb believed the Quran taught women that 'Men are the managers of women's affairs ...'[20] Qutb lamented to his readers that he was never able to find a woman of sufficient "moral purity and discretion" and had to reconcile himself to bachelorhood"
Clearly neurotic or closeted gay.
its seems that like the Nazis, these types resort to extremeist ideologies as manifestations of there ninner neuroses and psychological conflicts.
The problem is when normal properly adjusted folk cant figure that out and follow them .
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Between 6% and 9% of the Oase individual's genome is from Neanderthals - an unprecedented amount.
By comparison, present-day Europeans have between 2% and 4%.
Oase was probably not responsible for passing on Neanderthal ancestry to present-day Europeans. The analysis shows the man was more closely related to modern East Asians and Native Americans than to today's Europeans.
Is this guy's homeland Africa or Asia?
quote:In modern humans, this elongation is a pattern characteristic of warm-adapted populations, and this physique may be an early Cro-Magnon retention from African ancestors. Similar retentions may be observed in certain indices of facial shape ...
--Encyclopedia of Human Evolution and Prehistory: Second Edition by Eric Delson
--B. Lewis et al. 2008. Understanding Humans: Introduction to Physical Anthropology and Archaeology. p 297
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Ish Gebor, I know you have reading comprehension issues, but you really couldn't tell that this thread was about a more serious matter?
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Ish Gebor, I know you have reading comprehension issues, but you really couldn't tell that this thread was about a more serious matter?
You're right, I should not have posted in this thread. Nor respond to the Oase.
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quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: Hanafi and Wahabbism are both based on "white" or Indo-European ideas and cultural traditions about keeping women in check and hating music and poetry. THat is why both Wahhabis and Christian fndamentalist are anti-Afro-American and African Muslim acceptance of Sufism.
Sadly, Blacks today are ignorant of the Islamic history of African people and they have adopted the cultural traditions of the Hanafis and Wahabbis as authentic "Islam" because this brand of Muslim thinking is held by the people of Arabia. [/QB]
where did Sufism originate?
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"he suffered from respiratory and other health problems throughout his life and was known for "his introvertedness, isolation, depression and concern." In appearance, he was "pale with sleepy eyes."[19] Qutb never married, in part because of his steadfast religious convictions. While the urban Egyptian society he lived in was becoming more Westernized, Qutb believed the Quran taught women that 'Men are the managers of women's affairs ...'[20] Qutb lamented to his readers that he was never able to find a woman of sufficient "moral purity and discretion" and had to reconcile himself to bachelorhood"
Clearly neurotic or closeted gay.
its seems that like the Nazis, these types resort to extremeist ideologies as manifestations of there ninner neuroses and psychological conflicts.
The problem is when normal properly adjusted folk cant figure that out and follow them .
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