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Describing her ancestry, Markle said: "My dad is Caucasian and my mom is African American. I'm half black and half white. ... I have come to embrace this and say who I am, to share where I'm from, to voice my pride in being a strong, confident, mixed-race woman."[11] Her mother is descended from African Americans enslaved in Georgia,[12] and her father from Dutch, English, and Irish settlers
I’m usually don’t care about stuff like this but apparently her wedding had elements of traditional African American culture
What is the take on this from the black Europe crowd like mena7 ??
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Jari I congratulate Great Britain Prince Harry and African American actress for their marriage. I their they are good human being who fell in love and had a beautiful wedding.
I am not only an Afrocentric person I am also a conspiracy theorist. Rich people 95% of the time marry other rich people. Members of royal families and nobility 98% of the time marry members of other royal families and nobility. I am speculating that Meghan Markle is probably a secret member of British or European royalty and nobility. Meghan Markle Black mother and White father is maybe of royal blood. there is the possibility the White father now living in Mexico is maybe the adoptive father and the real secret father of Meghan is maybe a British royal or noble. I remember conspiracy theorist David Icke telling a story about the movie Rose Mary baby that the movie is symbolically telling the story of the rich elite secretly having children with regular people of the middle classes and those children were raise to become president of countries, CEO of corporations, journalists, activists, movie stars, music stars, scholars etc.
As an Afrocentrist I know that the original European were Black people therefore the founders of European Royal Houses and Kingdoms were Black people. The majority of White European royalty and nobility today had Black ancestors. I think Black and Brown members of European families migrated to Latin America, the Caribbean and North America as free people during the colonial era. There is the story of a Dutch Prince marrying the daughter of a rich Peruvian and Bolivian this year.
The designer, 47, said Harry spoke to her after the ceremony at St George's Chapel: 'He came straight up to me and he said "oh my God, thank you, she looks absolutely stunning"
Meghan wore a £200K creation by Givenchy to marry Prince Harry. The bride-to-be reportedly commissioned Givenchy's Clare Waight Keller after viewing sketches with her best friend Jessica Mulroney
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The downside of endorsing "Afrocentrism" is that it allows those who are Eurocentric to keep peddling their one-sided and "Euro-supremacist" view of the world.
A better approach would be to view things as OBJECTIVELY as possible. Thus one would be free to critique Eurocentric ideas such as sub-Saharan Africa, negroid, Middle East, Far East, caucasoid, homo sapiens, Afro-Asiatic, Semitic[note that Hamitic has been removed from the linguistic literature], etc.,
The world humans live in is a world of ideas but for ideas to be cognitively accepted they must be confirmed over and over again. The thesis that the British Royalty was once African if hardly confirmed by the facts. You need much, much more evidence than you provide.
The fact that there was a marriage between a British prince and an American lady who--based on photographs--could easily pass for Mediterranean white is of very minor interest. Much more important matters and tasks for the African American need maximum attention rather than some marriage.
The impression one gets from this event is that people of European descent are automatically placed in a higher caste position than Africans and that any entrance into their society by someone deemed to be of partial African descent--based on that very racist "one drop" rule--is something to heartily applauded.
The British Royal Family represents a hangover from the European feudal system which--as the name suggests--derives from feuding(violent fighting), murder, invasions[the battle of Hastings, for example, and the beginning of Norman rule in Britain], theft of lands, rapes, reckless spawning, and the resulting stupid idea of "blue blood". There is no proof that the members of that family and its relatives in mainland Europe are noteworthy in any way special.
All those huge castles, palaces and very large estates are monuments to age of feuding, jousting, and serfs(slaves in situ), land theft, beheadings, and cruelty. The French answered all this with their Revolution in 1789, but Napoleon soon after pronounced himself "Emperor".
So what to make of all this? Not much except to note that trotting horses, open carriages, etc. are the kinds of things that appeal to many people who just like a big show.
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quote: The fact that there was a marriage between a British prince and an American lady who--based on photographs--could easily pass for Mediterranean white is of very minor interest.
This lady is NOT passing for white or even Mediterranean white. She could pass maybe more for a brown race person (who looks closer to black)before she passes for a white person.She may have a look that could pass for black or brown or a look that could go either way maybe. Anyway she looks kinda black or she looks like a black bi-racial person. That's all.
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People have the right of self-determination even if their biology disagrees with it.
One drop was created by USA white males to disown responsibility and inclusion of their own children.
Even real one parent Inner African one parent NW or Central European mulattos aren't seen as black everywhere in the world.
A famous example is Tippu Tib. No continental African blacks of my generation accept him as African despite his looks. In his milleau he is Arab due to his Arab father and Arab mores that inclusion goes by father. Black Americans however consider that monster one of theirs, ie a black.
In the case of Markle or Tib biology and ethnicity are at odds.
I hate keep-a-clicking pieces that could be on one page but here's something very much related and good reading though I have no idea who comes after p2.
quote:A famous example is Tippu Tib. No continental African blacks of my generation accept him as African despite his looks. In his milleau he is Arab due to his Arab father and Arab mores that inclusion goes by father. Black Americans however consider that monster one of theirs, ie a black.
The same principle was at work in the East African island of Zanzibar which was home to agricultural slaves of Arab Islam. They were brainwashed enough to see themselves as Arabs rather than Africans.
Note that in Africa, "Arab" does not denote "non-African". Unfortunately, because of the stupid prestige granted to "Arab" in Africa, someone could look strictly African but because he bears an Arab name and speaks Arabic, he is considered an Arab. This is the mindset of the thoroughly colonized blacks of the Muslim part of Sudan.
Something similar happened with French colonization in Africa. France set itself the task of transforming Africans into "Black Frenchmen" with its mission civilisatrice--i.e, "civilizing mission". Those Africans who succumbed to this mission were seen as "evolue"(evolved} and saw themselves as "Frenchmen".
In the Portuguese colonies, the term used for the product of colonization was "asimilado"(assimilated) meaning that the individual was fluent in Portuguese and carried a Portuguese name.
The British preferred the path of "indirect rule" and were less ambitious than the French in that regard. But still, were the so-called "Afro-Saxons" of Freetown, Sierra Leone who actually believed that their group was culturally and biologically superior to the less colonized.
Interesting point in this regard: More than 99% of the descendants of the Africans deported from Africa from the the 16th to 19th centuries have been sufficiently colonized by the French, Spanish, Portuguese, and British that they have been almost totally Christianized regard themselves as having little connection to Africa.
Their aspirations are for full integration and acceptance into the societies of their colonizers and oppressors.
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Ive been familiar with al~Jahiz for decades and posted his reports on Zanj opinions of who are the blacks outside Africa. I used him to show continuity of who is black from Aeschylus to Manilius to al~Jahiz.
Al~Jahiz' Zanj informants were clear that peninsular Arabs (there were no other kind then) have native black skinned minorities but question if Arabians as a whole are blacks or not. These Zanj didn't consider Arabians Zanj nor obviously did the Arabians think of themselves as any kind of African.
Consider pre-Islamic Antar, the epitome of the Arab culture male. He experienced bias due to his colour and hair inherited from his Abyssinian mother.
My point is Tippu Tib is an Arab by patrilineal descent from those peninsular Arabs who definitely do not see themselves as neither black nor African.
Biology vs society.
DNA and bones can say one thing while societal norms say another.
Markle isn't considered black due to colour or features but because of a parent whose percentage of African black ancestry is unknown.
Maybe in your country Tippu Tib is an African black but every continental I ever talked to (from Senegal, Mali, Guinea, Cote d'Ivoire, Ghana, Nigeria, Cameroon, Gabon, Congo, Kenya, Burundi, Tanzania, Zimbabwe, or South Africa) about him says he was a dark Arab monster.
Black Americans though were quick to identify Tippu Tib as they are now also quick to ID via their oppressors' one drop law mostly anyone with any assumed 'black' characteristic; Madonna, Bill Clinton, ad nausea.
East and south Africans basically exclude Arabians and Indians even if black as tar.
Chc Williams advised against the 'me black' ploy of invading Arabs and merchant Indians.
Interesting what you state. But 99.5% of Africans will have never heard of Tippu Tib. Those who did would have learned about him in history books or by their own research. None of those who learned about Tippu Tib would have had any idea of what he looked like or what his real ancestry was beyond what the British history books told them.
It's revealing to know the historical context that led to the characterization of Tippu Tib by British historians.
The British abolished the Slave Trade in 1806 and slavery in their Western Hemisphere colonies in 1834. In Africa it was abolished in South Africa also in 1834 and Indians from India were then trucked in as indentured laborers to fill the gap.
Even though the Slave Trade was abolished in 1806, there was still a thriving clandestine trade which prompted the British to patrol the West African coast to commandeer any Slaving ship from crossing the Atlantic with slave captives. Such vessels when seized were escorted to Freetown, Sierra Leone and the captives released. One such captive whose experience became well known was Ajayi Crowder.
So why did the British stop the slave trade? Answer: To deprive their competitors--the French, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, etc.--of their lucrative markets. The British were well on the way to "industrial capitalism" having accumulated enough capital during their "commercial capitalism" phase.
By 1884-85, The Berlin Conference had allotted specific boundary-marked territories to the France, Britain, Portugal, Belgium, Germany, Spain, etc, in Africa. The British were colonially in charge of huge areas in East Africa from Egypt all the way down to South Africa. These were the days of Stanley, Livingstone, Rhodes, etc. [b] The British wanted as much free labor as possible to extract minerals and agricultural products from those colonized territories. It was in their interest, therefor, to put a stop to the Arab slave trade in East Africa and to drive out those in charge of such a trade. The goal then was to describe traders like Tippu Tib as wicked and evil.
After such propaganda along with military power were successful, the immediate goal was to force African labor to produce cash crops. This was the case in Kenya, Tanganyika, Zanzibar, Uganda, South Africa, Zimbabwe(arrogantly named along with Zambia, Rhodesia), etc.
The fact is that Tippu Tib was no more a "monster" than the retinue of kings and chiefs who sold off their prisoners of war to the waiting European ships on the coast. Take the case of King Adandozan of Dahomey. Is he ever referred to as a "monster"? http://www.historianviews.com/?p=172
In contemporary times there tyrants and killers such as Mobutu(killed Lumumba), Hissene Habre(Chad) described as a wicked and evil being, Charles Taylor(Liberia) cruel and wicked Sekou Toure(who killed and tortured many), innocents), and the latest known for his ineffable wickedness and cruelty, Yaya Jammeh(the Gambia). "Monster" is not the word people normally use to describe such violent and devlish individuals.
The most plausible explanation is that African ancestry was seen as so genetically toxic by WHITE society that to avoid the embarrassment of seemingly white persons producing off-spring with "throw-back" African traits the cut off point was 1/32 African to ancestry to be on the safe side. All this,f course, is very racist, yet U.S. blacks embrace such willingly. The Markle case proves the point.
For Native Americans, the official "blood quantum" was 1/16. Thus it's not unusual to see persons with blue eyes and pale skin on the Reservations.
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Yes. The Wolfman is no more a monster than the Frankenstein monster. Which, by the way, means he's still very much a monster.
Ever read any account an African enslaved by the Arab Tippu Tib may have written?
But it's ok because Africans indulged the trade? No it's not OK and a couple of W Afr dignitaries apologized to western blacks for rounding up and selling their ancestors without any pretense of a war but to make 'money' not much different to selling out a nation for money, shoes, or what have you, going on right now today. Upside Down.
What prisoners of war? What war? Why was it fought?
And do you really know 99.5% of Africa's population?
The One Drop law (Act 320 of 1911 or House Bill 79 of 1911) leaves no ambiguity and is the opposite of the Arabian custom.
It's American and denies white males responsibility and inclusion of their own flesh and blood and forcing their burden onto black communities and thence the now abandoned Coloured identity in the USA.
Elsewhere it was very different.
Personally, and they don't need my nor anybody's approval, I accept the Black identity of anyone who claims it was raised in it has its culture has its consciousness without regard to complexion, hair texture, or facial features.
I also accept anyone 50% or more European their claim to be white. Plenty of them are indistinguishable from their fellow whites. I know some whites with a Black American grandparent. Couldn't tell until they told me. Why? I don't why they chose to tell me. Can't tell them apart from dark Brits like Welsh nor French bordering Italy.
While many with one Black grandparent in fact have a feature or two showing Black ancestry, there are those who, besides being Homo sapiens sapiens, show no Black ancestry.
Why say they're Black or, even worse, 'passing for white' agree in obedience to the racist one drop law, "scientific racism gave rise to the notion that a person could look and self-identify as white but still somehow be black"?
A very modern marriage: Harry and Meghan wed at St George's Chapel in Windsor in an extraordinary star-studded, multi-cultural ceremony, the likes of which the Royals have never seen More than 120,000 people descended on Windsor and saw Prince Harry marry bride Meghan Markle today The 2,000-plus excited guests included all senior royals including the Queen and Hollywood royalty too Clooneys, Beckhams, Idris Elba, Elton John, Oprah Winfrey, Tom Hardy and James Corden were all invited Passionate US bishop, gospel choir and music by Ben E. King and Etta James gave service American influence But the beautiful British weather and the grand backdrop of Windsor meant event was full of royal pageantry Divorcee walked half way through chapel alone where Charles then tool her to the altar and his youngest son Harry was tearful as he greeted his bride he grabbed her hand and said: 'You look amazing' and thanked father On Windsor carriage journey Meghan said 'wow' to her new husband and he replied: 'I'm ready for a drink'
A sea of smiling faces greets Harry and Meghan as they leave the church after the American-influenced service conducted by the Archbishop of Canterbury
Meghan and Harry process out of the chapel after exchanging vows in a quite extraordinary wedding today
A delighted Harry and Meghan wave to some of the fans who lined the route of the procession in Windsor
The newlyweds stare deeply into each other's eyes after the biggest and happiest day of their lives
Harry looked very emotional at points in the service and several others in the congregation were in tears on their happy day
Meghan's mother Doria Ragland, who teh star calls her rock, was in tears ahead of her daughter's big entrance
Meghan walked halfway through the church before being met Prince Charles at the Quire who took her to Harry
The couple were all smiles as they left the chapel - a stark contrast to how nervous Harry had appeared when he arrived an hour earlier
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Meghan and Harry's kiss sparked huge cheers from people outside the chapel and the 100,000 watching on the streets of Windsor
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle kiss as they exit St George's Chapel in Windsor Castle
Crowds were ten or more deep today in 70f [21C] temperatures and bright sprng sunshine.
A vision in white: Meghan Markle smiles to the camera as she rides alongside her husband Prince Harry
Royal wave: Meghan waves gracefully as her husband smiles as the procession weaves its way through the streets of Windsor
Oprah Winfrey has made the guest list and is seen arriving at St George's Chapel at Windsor Castle for the wedding
Meghan's mother Doria Ragland (far left) stands next to Prince Charles, Camilla, George, William, Charlotte and Kate on the steps of St George's Chapel today after the wedding
Harry and Meghan are celebrating inside the castle with 600 guests, many of whom are famous names from stage or screen
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Mena: I was speculating that Meghan Reed has a secret royal or nobility bloodline that is why Prince Harry was allow to marry her. I was listening to the British conspiracy theorist David Icke and he supported my point of view by saying that Meghan Reed was the direct descendant of the English king Edward III and distantly related to Prince Harry, Queen Elizabeth, Princess Diana, the USA Bush family, USA president Gerald Ford and pres Richard Nixon according to genealogist Gary Boyd Roberts of the New England Historic Genealogy Society.
According to conspiracy Grace Powers the mix race marriage of Prince Harry and Megan Markle was arrange by the Royal family to get the support of the Black and Brown people of the world.
King Edward III and the Black Prince. Meghan Markle is the direct descendant of English king Edward III.
English king Edward III
Meghan Markle is the direct descendant of King Edward III
Mike III think this is the potrait of Prince James III Stuart, I think this is the portrait of one of the king Louis of France. I think Meghan Markle looks like this king
Meghan Markle looks like James III or King Louis.
Black or Mulato Queen Charlotte of England Portrait of Queen Charlotte, wife of George III, painted by Allan Ramsay in 1762.
English king Edward II was the grandson of king Edward II and the son of the Black prince.
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Nice pictures, but your conspiracy theories are just that. There is no serious evidence to support your speculations. Plus, the marriage between a cognitively challenged prince and an American lady is of no significance at all.
Oliver Cromwell should have ended the feudal monarchy--just as the French did to its own monarchical system with the Revolution of 1789.The guillotine was the weapon of choice for the dissolute royals.
The British monarchy is just welfare for a bunch of cognitively challenged feudals who just laze around and do nothing of note really. In the past, the crimes of the British Empire were all signed off by the reigning British monarchs.
And besides, the name "House of Windsor" is just coverup for the transplanted German Saxe-Coburg lineage.
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Tippu Tib was born in the island of Zanzibar(now incorporated into the country called Tanzania) and most likely his first language was Swahili--not Arabic. His portraits show him to be of strictly African phenotype.
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First, Mena, I have heard Obama was allowed the presidency because of a certain Brit Isles descent all presidents must have as secretly set by the York Free and Accepted Mason founders.
Any tie ins with Meghan's qualifications? Is Meghan esoteric for Meaghan a Welsh name?
Diana had a royal beau but his ancestry was wrong. Big perception difference between D and this prince.
quote:Originally posted by lamin: There are blacks who are Arab as Al-Jazir pointed out centuries ago.
Tippu Tib was born in the island of Zanzibar(now incorporated into the country called Tanzania) and most likely his first language was Swahili--not Arabic. His portraits show him to be of strictly African phenotype.
There's a kazillion black Arab threads in the archive. This is no news and was acknowledged in an earlier post. No more on this from me in Mena's thread. Here're some refresher ES Rχiv links
Radiant in her wedding dress, the bride who will be Britain's first black marchioness (and she still managed a smile despite father-in-law snubbing ceremony because of erotic paintings row) Emma McQuiston married future Marquess of Bath Ceawlin Thynn at family seat of Longleat House yesterday Daughter of Nigerian oil tycoon suggests she is being made to 'feel different or separate because of her race' Marquess of Bath and his wife instead went to the wedding of two professional polo players in Hampshire Lord Bath angry at son's renovation of Longleat which involved removal of a number of his prized erotic paintings
Mena: Meghan Markle wasnt the first Black woman to marry into the British Royalty or Nobility. Emma McQuiston the daughter of a Nigerian oil tycoon married the Marqhis of Bath Ceawlin Thin
Viscount Weymouth, Ceawlin Thynn, with his bride Emma McQuiston at Longleat (left). The groom's father the Marquess of Bath (right) decided to attend another society wedding with his wife Anna Gael. They watched Heloise Lorentzen marry polo player Sean Wilson-Smith at the village of Wonston, Hampshire, instead
Picturesque setting: The couple outside the family seat at Longleat, but his parents, Lord and Lady bath, refused to attend the ceremony
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Again, why fall for the very racist "one drop" rule? Meghan Markle is not black. To accept the "one drop" rule is like saying that African genes are very toxic and must be cleansed out at all costs.
The racist one drop rule also suggests the idea of "racial purity" for whites.
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I agree, also she clearly identifies as a Black (African American) woman, so anything else said is moot.
Also there is more important things but Like I said this is an historical event for African Americans...
quote:Originally posted by Firewall:
quote: The fact that there was a marriage between a British prince and an American lady who--based on photographs--could easily pass for Mediterranean white is of very minor interest.
This lady is NOT passing for white or even Mediterranean white. She could pass maybe more for a brown race person (who looks closer to black)before she passes for a white person.She may have a look that could pass for black or brown or a look that could go either way maybe. Anyway she looks kinda black or she looks like a black bi-racial person. That's all.
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This is news to me, Like who considers that trash a part of us....
Hell go ask Hard Core Egyptocentrists like Sara Suten Seti et al about a f-ing Arab Minded, Self Described Slave Trading Mulatto Arab...please I don't agree with those guys but I doubt any of them would embrace someone like that...
Only the apologist Muslim, arab bootlicking African Americans with a serious inferiority complex consider a self described Arabian Slave-Trading King whos throne was on Arabian soil one of us,
Most of us look down on the Jan-ja-weed Arab bootlickers in Sudan who have ruined the Jewel and backbone of not only Africa but of Afrocentrism.
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: Ive been familiar with al~Jahiz for decades and posted his reports on Zanj opinions of who are the blacks outside Africa. I used him to show continuity of who is black from Aeschylus to Manilius to al~Jahiz.
Al~Jahiz' Zanj informants were clear that peninsular Arabs (there were no other kind then) have native black skinned minorities but question if Arabians as a whole are blacks or not. These Zanj didn't consider Arabians Zanj nor obviously did the Arabians think of themselves as any kind of African.
Consider pre-Islamic Antar, the epitome of the Arab culture male. He experienced bias due to his colour and hair inherited from his Abyssinian mother.
My point is Tippu Tib is an Arab by patrilineal descent from those peninsular Arabs who definitely do not see themselves as neither black nor African.
Biology vs society.
DNA and bones can say one thing while societal norms say another.
Markle isn't considered black due to colour or features but because of a parent whose percentage of African black ancestry is unknown.
Maybe in your country Tippu Tib is an African black but every continental I ever talked to (from Senegal, Mali, Guinea, Cote d'Ivoire, Ghana, Nigeria, Cameroon, Gabon, Congo, Kenya, Burundi, Tanzania, Zimbabwe, or South Africa) about him says he was a dark Arab monster.
Black Americans though were quick to identify Tippu Tib as they are now also quick to ID via their oppressors' one drop law mostly anyone with any assumed 'black' characteristic; Madonna, Bill Clinton, ad nausea.
East and south Africans basically exclude Arabians and Indians even if black as tar.
Chc Williams advised against the 'me black' ploy of invading Arabs and merchant Indians.
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Lets not forget the reason why Al-Jahiz had to make his book on the Boasts of the Sudan in the first place...it was a REACTION to the Hundreds of years of racist slandering by Arab and Persian writers who beat and often times put to shame the 19th and 20th century Ethnocentric White Supremist European writers and explorers on African inferiority.
His book was unique in all the literature of the so called Islamic golden age, which is very similar to modern Afrocentric scholarship which is a reaction against white academic and scientific racism.....
Yet you have African and African Diaspora peoples trying to include these invader racist barbarian savages as some kind of lesser evil.
The fact is the Arab has never been and never will be, a an ally of African people. Hell Arabs put Europeans to shame in the colonialist subterfuge they implemented on Africa, esp North Africa and the Nile Valley.
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: Ive been familiar with al~Jahiz for decades and posted his reports on Zanj opinions of who are the blacks outside Africa. I used him to show continuity of who is black from Aeschylus to Manilius to al~Jahiz.
Al~Jahiz' Zanj informants were clear that peninsular Arabs (there were no other kind then) have native black skinned minorities but question if Arabians as a whole are blacks or not. These Zanj didn't consider Arabians Zanj nor obviously did the Arabians think of themselves as any kind of African.
Consider pre-Islamic Antar, the epitome of the Arab culture male. He experienced bias due to his colour and hair inherited from his Abyssinian mother.
My point is Tippu Tib is an Arab by patrilineal descent from those peninsular Arabs who definitely do not see themselves as neither black nor African.
Biology vs society.
DNA and bones can say one thing while societal norms say another.
Markle isn't considered black due to colour or features but because of a parent whose percentage of African black ancestry is unknown.
Maybe in your country Tippu Tib is an African black but every continental I ever talked to (from Senegal, Mali, Guinea, Cote d'Ivoire, Ghana, Nigeria, Cameroon, Gabon, Congo, Kenya, Burundi, Tanzania, Zimbabwe, or South Africa) about him says he was a dark Arab monster.
Black Americans though were quick to identify Tippu Tib as they are now also quick to ID via their oppressors' one drop law mostly anyone with any assumed 'black' characteristic; Madonna, Bill Clinton, ad nausea.
East and south Africans basically exclude Arabians and Indians even if black as tar.
Chc Williams advised against the 'me black' ploy of invading Arabs and merchant Indians.
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You obviously have no clue about African American Culture is you consider Megan no black, Hell my sister was originally classified as white on her birth certificate even now despite her African features shes extremely light. You have African Americans with Green eyes, light brown, all shades of skin and hair texture and color
Also she Identifies as African American...that's usually all that counts in our community at times...
quote:Originally posted by lamin: Again, why fall for the very racist "one drop" rule? Meghan Markle is not black. To accept the "one drop" rule is like saying that African genes are very toxic and must be cleansed out at all costs.
The racist one drop rule also suggests the idea of "racial purity" for whites.
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quote:Also she Identifies as African American...that's usually all that counts in our community at times...
OK, but there seems to be some cultural inconsistencies here. The whole thing is puzzling.
Shaun King of the BLM movement identifies as "black" but he has been much ridiculed and mocked with the name "Talcum X". The same for Rachel Dolezal, formerly with the NAACP. She has been criticized for "pretending to be black".
Yet, the same does not hold for Transgender people. The principle here is that "you are what you feel like--not what you look like. Case in point Caitlyn Jenner, who once identified as male[ 6 children with 3 different wives] but is now regarded as female--in the sense that Jenner is now routinely referred to as "she".
The issue with Markle's racial identity is that it is all determined by what some people today call "White Supremacy". It is White Supremacy that sets the criteria for racial identity and most people just buy into it.
In South Africa, Markle could officially claim to be "Coloured" but visually she could easily be seen as white.
In Brazil, "racial classifications" are based on pigmentation and hair type mainly. Thus a large percentage of white Brazilians, based on Y-STR analysis do carry alleles from West Africa and Native American South America.
But the Brazilian race classification criteria is just another instance of White Supremacy at work. The racial criteria based purely on phenotype is also much at work during the Carnaval. There are 3 types of BANDAS(bands)--for whites, morenos, and blacks. One must pass the visual test to dance in a white band/moreno/or black band.
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They just gave her a coat of arms
Duchess Meghan worked with the College of Arms on the coat of arms, which features visual references to not only California, but also to her home with Prince Harry in Nottingham Cottage at Kensington Palace.
"The blue background of the shield represents the Pacific Ocean off the California coast, while the two golden rays across the shield are symbolic of the sunshine of The Duchess's home state. The three quills represent communication and the power of words," reads a statement from Kensington Palace.
"Beneath the shield on the grass sits a collection of golden poppies, California's state flower, and wintersweet, which grows at Kensington Palace."
Clearly, the poppy and wintersweet are two symbols that the Duchess finds meaningful. They were also among the images embroidered on her wedding veil.
The design also includes a coronet, which features two crosses patée (a type of Christian cross), four fleurs-de-lys, and two strawberry leaves. Also seen on the coat of arms is a songbird "with wings elevated as if flying and an open beak, which with the quill represents the power of communication," according to Kensington Palace.
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: They just gave her a coat of arms
Duchess Meghan worked with the College of Arms on the coat of arms,e.
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The author of the piece, Elaine Musiwa, is from Zimbabwe--but based in the U.S.
Here is another article from her on the same Markle issue--more or less. Is it that white supremacy has infected blacks so much strange personality disorders set in?
In the strange situations that develop, White Supremacy steps in and waves the moral flag.
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When given a choice, rich black men prefer to drop all their wealth in the purses of non-black women. Brazilian soccer great Ronaldhino and others, like Pele carry on that tradition.
One the things that stands out from this paper is “hesitation” of the researchers to disclose the MTDNA lineage of Richard III. You need to dig beep in the Supplemental and it is buried away in a parenthesis in a simple sentence. Surprisingly Richards III
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false-paternity between Edward III (1312–1377) and John would mean that John’s son, Henry IV (1367–1413), and Henry’s direct descendants (Henry V and Henry VI) would have had no legitimate claim to the crown. This would also hold true, indirectly, for the entire Tudor dynasty (Henry VII, Henry VIII, Edward VI, Mary I and Elizabeth I) since their claim to the crown also rested, in part, on their descent from John of Gaunt. The claim of the Tudor dynasty would also be brought into question if the false paternity occurred between John of Gaunt and his son, John Beaufort, Earl of Somerset. If the false paternity occurred in either of the three generations between Edward III and Richard, Duke of York, the father of Edward IV and Richard III, then neither of their claims to the crown would have been legitimate.
mother is NOT hg-H the typical modern European lineage but J1 found….where?
So what really happened in Europe during the Middle Ages. What happened to the Black Kings of Europe.
Maybe Bass, Someone in the know can take a bite out of this. What am I on about?
Several pieces of information were disclosed and others strangely NOT included. Are they being deceptive?
1. SLC24A5 and the related SNP was NOT disclosed. They listed SLC24A4. Why? 2. SLC45A2 was disclosed but the related SNP seems different to what is typically used as an indicator. 3. Ditto for TYR/2 4. He was documented as having round face and large teeth and very thin 5. Looks like he did have light eyes, may be blue 6. STR pop affinity was disclosed 7. No LCT was disclosed
What am I blabbering about?.....Richards was NOT your typical modern European. He seems reminiscent of the Otzi Alps Iceman
So…anyone?. See what you get. I don’t have the time now
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Seems like Richard III was North African or at least similar to Cheddar Man
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@lamin interesting links but the second one I really didn't get.it seems whites Monopoly on media has has shaped the understanding of race and ethnicity,though biologically race doesn't exist people aren't really aware on what other folks are in relation to themselves,you would think history if properly taught would reduce peoples ignorance but it hasn't so the idea of "others" in places people didn't know has always exist but the extent to which it occurred may not have been as today so these "racial" problems shouldn't be a big issue sense accurate telling of history help could in showing how groups coped with it?
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I remember seeing a movie called "King Charles III". After the old lady passes on, Harry marries a Black girl. William becomes king and Harry gives up his title.
James Hewitt who knew Princess Diana has red hair. Will they ever do a DNA test?
Lamin, Blackness in the USA is not defined simply by skin color. It is also cultural.
Many African heads of state marred WW in the days. You had the first leaders of Botswana (Khama), Senegal (Senghor). The third president of Senegal (Wade) and the leader of Angola (Dos Santos). The first president of Ghana (Nkrumah) had that Egyptian woman. There maybe more.
Lamin, The UK is breaking with the European Union and needs its former colonies most of whom are not European. The married couple will try to find trade deals to offset Brexit.
The UK is changing and not as European as it used to be. Racism is still present. Perhaps, the men experience a deeper level of Racism than the women.
I see this Royal marriage as a political marriage uniting the UK with the USA.
Lamin, in the USA and UK BM marry out twice and as much as BW. There are things here that must be experienced first hand that the Internet does not convey. Black Americans are tied to Africa and Europe through blood and culture. it is a contradiction but it is what it is.
The English and other Europeans had there way with BW on slave plantations for a long time. Maybe this wedding is Karma.
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You guys are ignoring what Mike has been saying for ages. Technically speaking there are no white people, only people who are albino or mulatto to various degrees.
On account of this, Meghan Markle must be described as white. Given that her mother is obviously mulatto and her father white, she is more white than black and should be described as white. This nonsense one-drop rule has carried on for too long.
An African like Idris Elba can have grandchildren who look whiter than Meghan Markle, and I am referring to pure blooded Africans, not African American blacks many of whom have some white ancestry as a result of slave owners availing themselves of their chattels.
It is clear that the people we see in the Mediterranean today are the mixed-race descendants of so called Hamites and Negroes or whatever term catches your fancy. Mixed race meaning the product of unions between adequately melanated people, blacks people with normal/healthy complexions, and less melanated people, white, or albinos.
Consider Terentius Neo and his wife.
There is the usual suspect speculation on Wikipedia that they may be Samnites, an Italian tribe who were not portrayed as white skinned.
In the case of Europe's royal familes consider this couple:
Albert of Prussia
Princess Dorothea of Denmark ,1504-1547
They are ancestors of yalls favourite black Queen of Sophia Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz. via the daughter Anna Sophia of Prussia's union to John Albert I, Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin
The fact that most of Europe's royal families are descendants of these two among others should tell you that, technically speaking there are no "white" European royals. They clearly aren't white according to the one-drop-rule, something guaranteed by their endogamy.
So we should come to our senses and accept that by any sane standard Meghan Markle is a "white" woman. We have to start judging whiteness according to the standards of South Americans, not the insane one-drop-rule used in North America.
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quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: Describing her ancestry, Markle said: "My dad is Caucasian and my mom is African American. I'm half black and half white. ... I have come to embrace this and say who I am, to share where I'm from, to voice my pride in being a strong, confident, mixed-race woman."[11] Her mother is descended from African Americans enslaved in Georgia,[12] and her father from Dutch, English, and Irish settlers
I’m usually don’t care about stuff like this but apparently her wedding had elements of traditional African American culture
What is the take on this from the black Europe crowd like mena7 ??
I haven't seen the "wedding", but what are these African American cultural elements? From what I understand, she has never ever in her life associated with African Americans, or the culture. This is from multiple sources who have investigated her history.
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I am not only an Afrocentric person I am also a conspiracy theorist. Rich people 95% of the time marry other rich people. Members of royal families and nobility 98% of the time marry members of other royal families and nobility. I am speculating that Meghan Markle is probably a secret member of British or European royalty and nobility. Meghan Markle Black mother and White father is maybe of royal blood. there is the possibility the White father now living in Mexico is maybe the adoptive father and the real secret father of Meghan is maybe a British royal or noble. I remember conspiracy theorist David Icke telling a story about the movie Rose Mary baby that the movie is symbolically telling the story of the rich elite secretly having children with regular people of the middle classes and those children were raise to become president of countries, CEO of corporations, journalists, activists, movie stars, music stars, scholars etc.
As mentioned before, by others.
"Harry and Meghan are cousins! Remarkable family tree dating back to 1480 reveals royal is related to his girlfriend".
This family is directly responsible for involvement in the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade and all atrocities, including imperialism in Africa (Scramble For Africa). All this vacillated in what this family own in the billions of wealth and what resulted in the trillions of wealth for their empire.
This is (was) what Meghan was attracted to, and many in the black community consider these things highly problematic.
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Blacks returning to the throne?
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: They just gave her a coat of arms
Duchess Meghan worked with the College of Arms on the coat of arms,e.
She's a Duchess not a princess or queen, there is no thrown for her. She married in prenuptial agreement.
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quote:Originally posted by Red, White, and Blue + Christian: This Bazaar Magazine Article explain's that Princess Meghan is of royal ancestry through her father's line. I could not copy it completely:
I remember seeing a movie called "King Charles III". After the old lady passes on, Harry marries a Black girl. William becomes king and Harry gives up his title.
James Hewitt who knew Princess Diana has red hair. Will they ever do a DNA test?
Lamin, Blackness in the USA is not defined simply by skin color. It is also cultural.
Many African heads of state marred WW in the days. You had the first leaders of Botswana (Khama), Senegal (Senghor). The third president of Senegal (Wade) and the leader of Angola (Dos Santos). The first president of Ghana (Nkrumah) had that Egyptian woman. There maybe more.
Lamin, The UK is breaking with the European Union and needs its former colonies most of whom are not European. The married couple will try to find trade deals to offset Brexit.
The UK is changing and not as European as it used to be. Racism is still present. Perhaps, the men experience a deeper level of Racism than the women.
I see this Royal marriage as a political marriage uniting the UK with the USA.
Lamin, in the USA and UK BM marry out twice and as much as BW. There are things here that must be experienced first hand that the Internet does not convey. Black Americans are tied to Africa and Europe through blood and culture. it is a contradiction but it is what it is.
The English and other Europeans had there way with BW on slave plantations for a long time. Maybe this wedding is Karma.
Interesting post and it is kind of ironic that they married these women during the time of imperialism. This needs further investigation.
However, Angola (Dos Santos) (Nkrumah) can't be included in that list.
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Don't see how the marriage of Prince Harry and Markle could be of any significance. And Karma? How so?
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Whoops! Mistake re Occidenatal dissent. The point Fogel and Engleman make--and contra R,W, B +C-- is that it would have been bad for business morale for plantation owners to be randomly raping their field hands. A slave was an investment and optimal returns were what was expected.
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