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The following was posted to an online community message board similar to Egyptsearch. What is your opinion? Does the author present legitimate argument?
"The daily output and exports from Japan a very small island are just amazing.Africa on the other hand has vast gold,diamond,emeralds etc.One African country could not account for 15 billion dollars worth of diamonds and went begging for money from China.Africa has the manpower and natural resources but no proper output or production.Corruption,lack of real unity,the blame game and of course,the inability to manage resources is a problem in Africa."
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It's simple but complex as to why it occurs, the relationship whites have towards east Asians isn't the same as with Africans also their lands aren't as rich so no predatory behavior or ethnic manipulation to futher whites domination of resources and when Africans decide to positively affect their living conditions some BS occur to thwart that like assassinations or coups.
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quote:Originally posted by Black Crystal: The following was posted to an online community message board similar to Egyptsearch. What is your opinion? Does the author present legitimate argument?
"The daily output and exports from Japan a very small island are just amazing.Africa on the other hand has vast gold,diamond,emeralds etc.One African country could not account for 15 billion dollars worth of diamonds and went begging for money from China.Africa has the manpower and natural resources but no proper output or production.Corruption,lack of real unity,the blame game and of course,the inability to manage resources is a problem in Africa."
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People seem to forget since the 18th century How Europe underdeveloped Africa Walter Rodney London: Bogle-L'Ouverture Publications; Dar es Salaam: Tanzania Publishing House; London (141 Coldershaw Rd, W.13), 1972
quote:Originally posted by Thereal: It's simple but complex as to why it occurs, the relationship whites have towards east Asians isn't the same as with Africans also their lands aren't as rich so no predatory behavior or ethnic manipulation to futher whites domination of resources and when Africans decide to positively affect their living conditions some BS occur to thawrt that like assassinations or a coups.
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Some facts about Africa that might help in this discussion.
In 1917, The Anglo-American Corporation bought out all on the DeBeers-Rhodes Mining holdings including gold, diamond, iron, manganese, cobalt, oil, silver and platinum production. They placed Oppenheimer, a diamond cutter, familiar with the South African diamond operations, in charge. The Anglo- American Corporation was initially financed by Chase Morgan Bank. At that time Rockefeller was the leading share holder that controlled Chase Morgan Bank. It was the Anglo-American Corporation that codified and legalized the South African Apartheid system; a system that used slave labor to extract mineral resources that created billions of dollars of profit for white multinationals and their investors. It was also the Anglo-American Corporation that marketed and popularized Diamonds as being, "the only way that people of western culture could properly secure engagement". People of the United States especially embraced this marketing voodoo, thus became active supporters of the South African diamond and gold slavery system. Eventually, the Anglo-American company was placed on the stock market where it received heavy investments from retirement funds from cities, school districts, unions, banks, churches, and such. No body asked or even cared where the money was being invested. As long as their investment profited! Slavery was profitable. About 1983 the truth came out. UC Berkeley was one of the first to take their money out of Apartheid South Africa. ( Only after UC police arresting 30 or more protesting students!)
Mandela was finally released from prison and was became the President of South Africa soon afterwards. Did the indigenous people of South Africa get their land and resources back. Hell No! The Anglo-American Corporation owns a major portion of South Africa's land. Furthermore, they own the mineral rights on most of South Africa, Namibia and Zimbabwe. The bulk of the farm land is owned by Corporations. The indigenous (African) controlled government cannot nationalize (take) the land without thinking about the "international banking consequences". The International Money Fund, The World Bank, Chase Morgan-Stanley Bank, and Rockefeller Standard-Gulf-Texaco syndicates would have to be considered.(The Banks could crush them!)
Most likely, most of the African countries have similar histories. Most were colonized by self righteous Europeans who cruel and unjust deeds were rationalized as the "Will of God" The invaders raped, pillaged and plundered while at the same time they devastated the populations of people and native animals. Then they taught the African children their doctrines of "Ethics and Morals", while they continue to control that countries resources and wealth!
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Japan did not *receive* war reparations after World War II. Are you fucking kidding? They *paid* reparations. They did receive some *aid*.
Japanese-Americans who were interned during the war did eventually receive reparations.
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The problem of Africa is created 1. Permanent foreign obstruction, misinformation of the entire world about Africa.
2.Brain drain: The best of Africans live abroad. African lives are rendered difficult so that they move to Europe and America to spend their knowledge and wisdom building those places. Then they are never allowed to build Africa based on African ways... see the complete post in this form..
quote:Originally posted by capra: Japan did not *receive* war reparations after World War II. Are you fucking kidding? They *paid* reparations. They did receive some *aid*.
Japanese-Americans who were interned during the war did eventually receive reparations.
Money to rebuild is money to rebuild. Japan received more money in today's dollars to rebuild than all of Africa receives in a decade. This is after the many African leaders that the US assassinated and the engineered bureaucracy that buffers betwixt. With all the colonial genocides and theft Africa is owed far more than its ever received and what is has received came with a price.
Treat Africa like Israel and Japan and the continent could enter another golden age. They are going to have to fix their religion though. When people say Africa civilized the planet I get it yet the machinations that brought civilization to all these places that are right next to Africa like Greece, Rome and Sumer were destroyed by the conversion to Abrahamic religions.
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quote:Originally posted by Black Crystal: The following was posted to an online community message board similar to Egyptsearch. What is your opinion? Does the author present legitimate argument?
"The daily output and exports from Japan a very small island are just amazing.Africa on the other hand has vast gold,diamond,emeralds etc.One African country could not account for 15 billion dollars worth of diamonds and went begging for money from China.Africa has the manpower and natural resources but no proper output or production.Corruption,lack of real unity,the blame game and of course,the inability to manage resources is a problem in Africa."
Because African countries are tied to the French Francophone coin and British Common Wealth. Each year over 500 billion dollars leaves African countries as taxation for France and Britain. So that we send 30 billion dollars is a garbage argument.
H.E. Dr Arikana Chihombori Quao Addressing the African Diaspora in the Americas
Japan received more money in today's dollars to rebuild than all of Africa receives in a decade.
western countries send about $30 billion in development aid to Africa each year
How much money did Japan receive?
How much is Japan forced to pay as taxes to former colonial powers? And what are the Bilateral economic relations between the West and an Africa? Or rather what have they been?
The Alliance is based on shared vital interests and values, including: the maintenance of stability in the Indo-Pacific region: the preservation and promotion of political and economic freedoms; support for human rights and democratic institutions; and, the expansion of prosperity for the people of both countries and the international community as a whole.
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Bilateral Economic Relations
The U.S.-Japan bilateral relationship features substantial trade and investment flows. However, the United States goods trade deficit with Japan is its third-largest one in the world. U.S. economic policy toward Japan seeks to address this trade deficit through free, fair, and reciprocal trade. In particular, the United States aims to expand access to Japans markets, increase two-way investment, stimulate domestic demand-led economic growth, promote economic restructuring, improve the climate for U.S. investors, and raise the standard of living in both countries. https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-japan/Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010
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Japan received more money in today's dollars to rebuild than all of Africa receives in a decade.
western countries send about $30 billion in development aid to Africa each year
How much money did Japan receive?
How much is Japan forced to pay as taxes to former colonial powers?
What do you mean? Japan was never a colony of Western powers. Japan was a colonizer
Japan colonized Taiwan from 1895 and 1945 Japan colonized Korea for 35 years from 1910 to 1945 And during World War II Japan colonized much of Asia
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True but they were influenced by Europeans and the relationship didn't seem as harsh when compared to other groups like Chinese or Africans.
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quote:Originally posted by Black Crystal: The following was posted to an online community message board similar to Egyptsearch. What is your opinion? Does the author present legitimate argument?
"The daily output and exports from Japan a very small island are just amazing.Africa on the other hand has vast gold,diamond,emeralds etc.One African country could not account for 15 billion dollars worth of diamonds and went begging for money from China.Africa has the manpower and natural resources but no proper output or production.Corruption,lack of real unity,the blame game and of course,the inability to manage resources is a problem in Africa."
The reason is simple as daylight, but some choose to accept lies and wishful thinking.
Japanese are willing to learn from their mistakes, reflect on their past, and move forward in a constructive way, while some Africans are waiting for miracles and refusing to work together to get their shit in order.
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That isn't the case,when Africans tried to better their circumstances coups and other "coincidental" events occurred to halt progress. Also they were underdeveloped by the European contact that's why you don't find made in Africa products.
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LOL don't be ignorant. Japan a country is not more successful than Africa a continent.
However Japan is probably more successful than any African country. There are many reasons for that. One could be that there is a higher concentration of intelligent folks within Japan than there is within any single African nation state.
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quote:Originally posted by Thereal: It's simple but complex as to why it occurs, the relationship whites have towards east Asians isn't the same as with Africans also their lands aren't as rich so no predatory behavior or ethnic manipulation to futher whites domination of resources and when Africans decide to positively affect their living conditions some BS occur to thwart that like assassinations or coups.
Who gives a fuck what relationship whites have with anybody.
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I think the basic outline for the answer to this question is still to be found in Kwame Nkrumah's "Neocolonialism".
And since its publication, look at WTO, World Bank, USAID, etc., policies toward Africa (and this argument applies to ALL former colonies, whether in Latin America, Africa, SE Asia, etc.).
It's a rigged game! Japan industrialized as an independent nation! Japan was not colonized!
China and now India have risen rapidly, but they are very large countries. Africa was carved up into a lot of (often dysfunctional) nation-states which lacked the prerequisites for development as China and India have done. Also, China was not under control of the West after the Maoist revolution. India kept the West at bay by aligning with the Soviets.
Someone suggested that perhaps there are more intelligent people in Japan than in Africa? Seriously? I have no data regarding this, but i've noticed no lack of talent or intelligence among Africans.
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Asian own their lands, Africans doesn't own Africa; Africa is still being colonized by the west
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The U.S or Britain for Nigeria,France for Algeria and I'm not sure about Ethiopia as they still seem independent enough. I know China has some businesses and probably influence there and I know India has brought a large tract of land in Ethiopia.
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quote:Originally posted by Black Crystal: The following was posted to an online community message board similar to Egyptsearch. What is your opinion? Does the author present legitimate argument?
"The daily output and exports from Japan a very small island are just amazing.Africa on the other hand has vast gold,diamond,emeralds etc.One African country could not account for 15 billion dollars worth of diamonds and went begging for money from China.Africa has the manpower and natural resources but no proper output or production.Corruption,lack of real unity,the blame game and of course,the inability to manage resources is a problem in Africa."
The answer is the same as the answer when the question is flipped back on assorted "HBD" board denizens, and one they seldom ask, and usually avoid:
How is it that little Japan is so much more successful, and so much richer, and produces so much more output, than almost every white country on earth?
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quote:Originally posted by kanda: Asian own their lands, Africans doesn't own Africa; Africa is still being colonized by the west
who owns Nigeria, Ethiopia and Kenya and Algeria?
In recent times African countries have been the target of huge land grabs or takeovers by various Asian countries like India. China too is acquiring rights to resource rich tracts.
The takeover of peoples' land and water by corporations even if they are from the global south is a new form of colonisation Agriculture in Ethiopia : Technologies and soil conservation
Anuradha Mittal Mon 25 Feb 2013 06.14 EST
The idea of south-south co-operation evokes a positive image of solidarity between developing countries through the exchange of resources, technology, and knowledge. It's an attractive proposition, intended to shift the international balance of power and help developing nations break away from aid dependence and achieve true emancipation from former colonial powers. However, the discourse of south-south co-operation has become a cover for human rights violations involving southern governments and companies.
A case in point is the land grab by Indian corporations in Ethiopia, facilitated by the governments of both countries, which use development rhetoric while further marginalising the indigenous communities that bear the pain of the resulting social, economic and environmental devastation. It is against this scenario that international solidarity between communities affected by the insanity of a development model that prefers profits over people is reclaiming the principles of south-south co-operation.
Ethiopia's late prime minister, Meles Zenawi, welcomed India's expanding footprint in Africa as essential for his country's wellbeing, a vision shared by his successor, Hailemariam Desalegn. The Export-Import Bank, India's premier export finance institution, gave the Ethiopian government a $640m (£412m) line of credit to develop the controversial sugar sector in lower Omo. Indian companies are the largest investors in the country, having acquired more than 600,000 hectares (1.5m acres) of land for agro-industrial projects.
With 80% of its population engaged in agriculture, Ethiopia is home to more than 34 million chronically hungry people. Every year, millions depend on aid (pdf) for their survival. Amid such hunger, large-scale land deals with Indian investors are portrayed as a win-win situation, modernising agriculture, bringing new technologies and creating employment.
Research by the Oakland Institute, however, contradicts such claims. Most of what is produced is non-food export crops while tax incentives offered to foreign investors deprive Ethiopia of valuable earnings. The promises of job creation remain unfulfilled as plantation work at best offers menial low-paid jobs.
Worse still, the Ethiopian government is using its villagisation programme to forcibly relocate (pdf) about 1.5 million indigenous people from their homes, farms and grazing lands to make way for agricultural plantations. Those who refuse face intimidation, beatings, rapes, arbitrary detention and imprisonment, and even death. The repression of social resistance to land investments is even stipulated in some land lease contracts: "[it is the] state's obligation to 'deliver and hand over the vacant possession of leased land free of impediments' and to provide free security 'against any riot, disturbance or any turbulent time.'"
It was to challenge this form of south-south co-operation that the Oakland Institute, in partnership with Indian civil society groups the Indian Social Action Forum (Insaf), Kalpavriksh and Peace, organised an Indian-Ethiopian summit on land investments in New Delhi in February. Obang Metho of the Solidarity Movement for a New Ethiopia and Nyikaw Ochalla from the Anywaa Survival Organisation, members of the Anuak community of Gambela, Ethiopia, travelled to India with shocking testimonies of how their community has been dispossessed of livelihoods, ill-treated and subjected to misery while the Ethiopian government leases land to Indian corporations at giveaway prices.
This coming together of Indian and Ethiopian civil society groups marks a turning point in the struggle for land rights and livelihoods in the two countries and beyond. For the first time, the agony of communities who face human rights abuses as their lands are taken over has reached the investors' doorstep, sending a powerful message to the investors and governments of Ethiopia and India. At the same time, it initiated a rewriting of south-south co-operation where the takeover of communal lands that have been homes, grazing grounds and water sources for generations, by corporations even if they are from the global south is being recognised as a new form of colonisation. It was a starting point, and plans for further collaboration are under way.
Unlike the Ethiopian leaders who met the Indian business delegations in person, Metho and Ochalla did not get a hearing with Indian government officials, despite several requests. Instead, it was activists who are challenging land grabs across India who travelled to New Delhi to meet them. They told how control over land and natural resources is spurring violent clashes in nearly 130 districts of India. Meanwhile, reports came in that 12 platoons of police had moved in on villagers in Govindpur and Nuagaon in Odisha, to forcibly clear lands for the Korean Steel Posco project. Women and children were beaten indiscriminately and people were arrested as they tried to prevent the demolition of their betel vineyards one of the most viable local livelihoods.
We need to challenge the paradigm of development that trivialises and ignores the human consequences of these land acquisitions by corporate investors and governments. The idea that "some have to be sacrificed" for the "larger national good", which is nothing more than the double-digit economic growth that benefits a few, must be rejected even if the deals are between developing countries and framed by the rhetoric of south-south co-operation. <<snip>>
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quote:Originally posted by Thereal: The U.S or Britain for Nigeria,France for Algeria and I'm not sure about Ethiopia as they still seem independent enough. I know China has some businesses and probably influence there and I know India has brought a large tract of land in Ethiopia.
The U.S. or Britain does not own Nigeria
and France does not own Algeria
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If a different nation can influence your country in such way that leads high levels of corruption and the best and brightest abilities aren't used for positive change or you have brain drian,than what's the difference.
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what self respecting African is going to say the whole continent is owned by foreigners?
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Owned Exploited Highest of officials in the pocket What's the difference? Outcome's the same.
It seems more and more of the continent gets owned by outsiders (Arabians technically included) since the Ptolemaic/Roman era. It just ebbs (rarely) and flows (mostly), at times flooding Africa (the cake slicing Scramble).
Costly and involved territorial occupation method has been exchanged for retaining simple privilege to rights of resource possession in lieu of rights over nation holding/owning the coveted resource(s).
Colonization neo-colonialism Coca-Colanization What's the difference?
I guess with China now we have civil engineering or 'infrastructure colonialization' and what not? What exactly are Indians doing in a 'colonial' vein?
China is newer but India via (expats) have had a certain economic hegemony in east and south Africa for I don't know how long.
A place like Senegal need not deny French ownership since many still operate under the overseas department of France mentality. Some will even tell you the Gaulish connection goes back to Muslim/Jewish expulsions from Iberia.
quote:Originally posted by Thereal: That isn't the case,when Africans tried to better their circumstances coups and other "coincidental" events occurred to halt progress. Also they were underdeveloped by the European contact that's why you don't find made in Africa products.
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If a different nation can influence your country in such way that leads high levels of corruption and the best and brightest abilities aren't used for positive change or you have brain drian,than what's the difference.
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Surely forgotten, here's how a little Euro village pwns Zambia with the collusion of fellow yte brothers. Sfunny how others have more racial solidarity, w/o calling each other brother, than the race that do?
Back in the 70's we thought we could demand true worth for continental strategic mineral resources once university trained continentals returned home. However 'the chiefs' continue making big personal bank selling out the populace.
quote:Originally posted 2014 by kikuyu22: Recently I was researching the Gbagbo thing. For those unaware, Paris basically destroyed CdI to shoehorn their man Ouattara in and get rid of Gbagbo. Burkinabe, Chadian and Burkinabe mercs along with French specops were used in what the media called a 'civil war' but was anything but.
However,this standard French operating procedure in Africa. Even now they're active in Mali stealing gold under the anti AQ war and the CAR putting resources under lock in the guise of peacekeeping.
Anyway,I discovered Gbagbo was pulling his country out of the most egregious agreement bilateral economic agreement written I've seen since ..... IDK when I saw the French treaty with their ex colonies. This is what got him overthrown.
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Just before France conceded to African demands for independence in the 1960s, it carefully organised its former colonies (CFA countries) in a system of "compulsory solidarity" which consisted of obliging the 14 African states to put 65% of their foreign currency reserves into the French Treasury, plus another 20% for financial liabilities. This means these 14 African countries only ever have access to 15% of their own money! If they need more they have to borrow their own money from the French at commercial rates! And this has been the case since the 1960s.
Perhaps others dealing beyond dead civs that once flourished and grew but include current concerns as an Africana field can bring me up to date with Asian data and info (Through Afrikan Eyes)? Some thing similar to the below analysis but current and on Asians.
Because we have no armies capable w/o 'allies', other than Islamicist ones, other peoples can essentially treat us as they will knowing full well they will never find themselves at the mercy of African arms whether land sea or airborne.
Because we have no militant might Afrikan ppls get stepped on worldwide.
Everybody respects the one carrying a Big Sick whether such Walk Softly or not.
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Wow! That video is crazy. It seems the attitude of the president is key to having a stable with the supporting people as well.
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