quote:Originally posted by Archeopteryx: Here is a reaction from a Greek YouTuber
That lady showing how the ancient egyptians show themselves was misleading.She show pictures of folks living in roman egypt who live in a certain area and were the upperclass. The average egyptian did not look like those pictures plus those mummies found were 900 out of a population of more then 4 to 5 million or more.
They were found in middle egypt and that was way after the pharaonic period of egypt.
Roman egypt had more numbers of browns and whites and more mixing of the races then ever before then egypt of the past to keep that in mind.
People of Fayum
quote: Under Hellenic rule, Egypt hosted several Greek settlements, mostly concentrated in Alexandria, but also in a few other cities, where Greek settlers lived alongside some seven to ten million native Egyptians,[10] or possibly a total of three to five million for all ethnicities, according to lower estimates.[11]
Faiyum's earliest Greek inhabitants were soldier-veterans and cleruchs (elite military officials) who were settled by the Ptolemaic kings on reclaimed lands.[10][12] Native Egyptians also came to settle in Faiyum from all over the country, notably the Nile Delta, Upper Egypt, Oxyrhynchus and Memphis, to undertake the labor involved in the land reclamation process, as attested by personal names, local cults and recovered papyri.[13]
It is estimated that as much as 30 percent of the population of Faiyum was Greek during the Ptolemaic period, with the rest being native Egyptians.[13] By the Roman period, much of the "Greek" population of Faiyum was made-up of either Hellenized Egyptians or people of mixed Egyptian-Greek origins.[14] Later, in the Roman Period, many veterans of the Roman army, who, initially at least, were not Egyptian but people from disparate cultural and ethnic backgrounds, settled in the area after the completion of their service, and formed social relations and intermarried with local populations.[15]
While commonly believed to represent Greek settlers in Egypt,[16][17] the Faiyum portraits instead reflect the complex synthesis of the predominant Egyptian culture and that of the elite Greek minority in the city.[13]
According to Walker, the early Ptolemaic Greek colonists married local women and adopted Egyptian religious beliefs, and by Roman times, their descendants were viewed as Egyptians by the Roman rulers, despite their own self-perception of being Greek. The portraits represent both descendants of ancient Greek mercenaries, who had fought for Alexander the Great, settled in Egypt and married local women,[13] as well as native Egyptians who were the majority, many of whom had adopted Greek or Latin names, then seen as 'status symbols'.[18][19][20][21] A DNA study shows genetic continuity between the Pre-Ptolemaic, Ptolemaic and Roman populations of Egypt, indicating that foreign rule impacted Egypt's population only to a very limited degree at the genetic level.[22]
posted
Another Egyptian video about Netflix Cleopatra. The video puts forward the thesis that Jada Pinkett Smith promotes the idea that African Americans, and not Egyptians, are the true descendants of the ancient Egyptians.
posted
Another thing many youtubers are misleading with is the word greek and what that meant doing greek egypt.
When someone say greek at time of hellenistic egypt,they were not only white and greek greek. Heck even in greece there were non white greeks even before alexander,but of course there were not the majority.
Egyptian Greeks
quote:
The Egyptian Greeks, also known as Egyptiotes (Greek: Αιγυπτιώτες), or simply Greeks in Egypt, are the ethnic Greek community from Egypt that has existed from the Hellenistic period until the aftermath of the Egyptian coup d'état of 1952, when most were forced to leave.
Coptic Greeks
quote: It is estimated that as much as 30 percent of the population of Faiyum was Greek during the Ptolemaic period, with the rest being native Egyptians;[14] the Faiyum mummy portraits reflect the complex synthesis of the predominant Egyptian culture and that of the elite Greek minority in Faiyum.[14]
By the Roman period, much of the "Greek" population of Faiyum was made up of either Hellenized Egyptians or people of mixed Egyptian-Greek origins,[15] and by the time of Roman emperor Caracalla in the 2nd century AD, ethnic Egyptians could be distinguished from Egyptian Greeks by their speech.[16]
Egyptian Greek is the variety of Greek spoken in Egypt from antiquity until the Islamic conquest of Egypt in the 7th century. Egyptian Greek adopted many loanwords from Coptic Egyptian; there was a great deal of intracommunity bilingualism in Egypt.[17][18]
According to Walker, early Ptolemaic Greek colonists married local women and adopted Egyptian religious beliefs, and by Roman times, their descendants were viewed as Egyptians by the Roman rulers, despite their own self-perception of being Greek.[19] The dental morphology[20] of the Roman-period Faiyum mummies was also compared with that of earlier Egyptian populations, and was found to be "much more closely akin" to that of ancient Egyptians than to Greeks or other European populations.[21] Victor J. Katz notes that "research in papyri dating from the early centuries of the common era demonstrates that a significant amount of intermarriage took place between the Greek and Egyptian communities".[22]
wikipedia
Posts: 2560 | From: Somewhere | Registered: May 2012
| IP: Logged |
posted
There were greeks living in egypt by the way before the greek invasion.
Egyptian Greeks
Antiquity Greeks have been present in Egypt since at least the 7th century BC. Herodotus visited ancient Egypt in the 5th century BC and claimed that the Greeks were one of the first groups of foreigners that ever lived there.[7] Diodorus Siculus claimed that Rhodian Actis, one of the Heliadae, built the city of Heliopolis before the cataclysm; likewise the Athenians built Sais. Siculus reports that all the Greek cities were destroyed during the cataclysm, but the Egyptian cities including Heliopolis and Sais survived.[8]
First historical colonies According to Herodotus (ii. 154), King Psammetichus I (664–610 BC) established a garrison of foreign mercenaries at Daphnae, mostly Carians and Ionian Greeks.
In 7th century BC, after the Greek Dark Ages from 1100 to 750 BC, the city of Naucratis was founded in Ancient Egypt. It was located on the Canopic branch of the Nile river, 45 mi (72 km) from the open sea. It was the first and, for much of its early history, the only permanent Greek colony in Egypt; acting as a symbiotic nexus for the interchange of Greek and Egyptian art and culture.
At about the same time, the city of Heracleion, the closest to the sea, became an important port for Greek trade. It had a famous temple of Heracles. The city later sank into the sea, only to be rediscovered recently.
From the time of Psammetichus I onwards, Greek mercenary armies played an important role in some of the Egyptian wars. One such army was led by Mentor of Rhodes. Another such personage was Phanes of Halicarnassus.
Today
Today the Greek community numbers officially about 5,000 people,[27] with independent estimates ranging to 60,000.[6] Many of Greek origin are now counted as Egyptian, having changed their nationality. In Alexandria, apart from the Patriarchate, there is a Patriarchal theology school that opened recently after 480 years being closed. Saint Nicholas church in Cairo and several other buildings in Alexandria have been recently renovated by the Greek Government and the Alexander S. Onassis Foundation. Saint George's church in Old Cairo is undergoing restoration to end in 2014. During the last decade, there has been a new interest from the Egyptian government for a diplomatic rapprochement with Greece and this has positively affected the Greek Diaspora. The Diaspora has received official visits of many Greek politicians. Economic relationships between Greece and Egypt have expanded. As of 2010, Egypt has received major Greek investments in banking, tourism, paper, the oil industry, & many others. In 2009, a five-year cooperation-memorandum was signed among the NCSR Demokritos Institute in Agia Paraskevi, Athens and the University of Alexandria, regarding Archeometry research and contextual sectors.[28]
Posts: 2560 | From: Somewhere | Registered: May 2012
| IP: Logged |
posted
Not only are most movies featuring the ancient Nile made by Westerners, but so are most of the documentaries about the ancient Nile. And almost all of those documentaries promote white washed historical Nile Valley figures. So to act so outraged about this one documentary when there are literally dozens of documentaries produced in the West that are no less historic fabrications, is beyond hypocritical. It is like saying, that them doing historical fiction in a documentary with actors from Europe and elsewhere is fine, but let someone black do it and outrage......
Also what happened to the movie Will Packer was doing on Queen Amanarenas? It also seems odd that for all this talk about black history, black Americans and Africans seem to be dragging their feet on actually producing anything of their own on it. Its not like there are no film makers in Africa.
Posts: 8889 | Registered: May 2005
| IP: Logged |
posted
Danny Glover once planned a film about Haitian freedom fighter Toussaint Louverture, but it seems the movie has not materialized yet.
quote: Glover sought to make a film biography of Toussaint Louverture for his directorial debut. In May 2006, the film had included cast members Wesley Snipes, Angela Bassett, Don Cheadle, Jonathan Rhys Meyers, Chiwetel Ejiofor, Roger Guenveur Smith, Mos Def, Isaach de Bankolé, and Richard Bohringer. Production, estimated to cost $30 million, was planned to begin in Poland, filming from late 2006 into early 2007.
In May 2007, President of Venezuela Hugo Chávez contributed $18 million to fund the production of Toussaint for Glover, who was a prominent U.S. supporter of Chávez. The contribution annoyed some Venezuelan filmmakers, who said the money could have funded other homegrown films and that Glover's film was not even about Venezuela.
In April 2008, the Venezuelan National Assembly authorized an additional $9,840,505 for Glover's film, which is still in planning.
In 2015, Glover gave an update on the Toussaint project, stating, "The film that we always missed is a movie on the Haitian revolution and Toussaint Louverture. The company is fortuitously named after him and that was the movie that I wanted to do. We’ve developed a script. We thought we were going to get it done four years ago. We thought we were going to be making it right now. But also there are other kinds of things that intrigue me.
quote: Toussaint Louverture [tusɛ̃ luvɛʁtyʁ] is a 2012 French film written and directed by Philippe Niang. It stars Jimmy Jean-Louis, Aïssa Maïga and Sonia Rolland and is based on the life of Toussaint Louverture.
The film premiered at the 2012 Festival de Luchon. It won the Best Diaspora Feature award at the 8th Africa Movie Academy Awards.
posted
By the way the african queen series is a Docudrama,not a documentary.Folks need to read more carefully on what it is.
Documentary vs Docudrama While documentaries primarily involve the formation of perceptual beliefs, docudramas invite us to form nonperceptual beliefs by primarily involving the formation of perceptual imaginings. That is why docudramas are not documentaries.
African Queens Expert interviews and other documentary content with premium scripted docudrama about different queens. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15305648/
African Queens (TV series) African Queens is a 2023 docudrama focusing on female monarchs, airing on the streaming service Netflix. The series is produced and narrated by Jada Pinkett Smith and features dramatized fictional re-enactments as well as interviews with experts. The first season covers Njinga, Queen of Ndongo and Matamba, and is directed by Ethosheia Hylton. The second season focuses on Queen of the Ptolemaic Kingdom of Egypt, Pharaoh Cleopatra VII Philopator, and is directed by Tina Gharavi. Wikipedia
Posts: 2560 | From: Somewhere | Registered: May 2012
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by Firewall: By the way the african queen series is a Docudrama,not a documentary.Folks need to read more carefully on what it is.
Documentary vs Docudrama While documentaries primarily involve the formation of perceptual beliefs, docudramas invite us to form nonperceptual beliefs by primarily involving the formation of perceptual imaginings. That is why docudramas are not documentaries.
African Queens Expert interviews and other documentary content with premium scripted docudrama about different queens. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15305648/
African Queens (TV series) African Queens is a 2023 docudrama focusing on female monarchs, airing on the streaming service Netflix. The series is produced and narrated by Jada Pinkett Smith and features dramatized fictional re-enactments as well as interviews with experts. The first season covers Njinga, Queen of Ndongo and Matamba, and is directed by Ethosheia Hylton. The second season focuses on Queen of the Ptolemaic Kingdom of Egypt, Pharaoh Cleopatra VII Philopator, and is directed by Tina Gharavi. Wikipedia
But the situation with IMDb and Netflix is the same They both classify and list Cleopatra and Njinga as documentaries that also have docudrama content
All the Netflix Cleopatra posters, say on them
"A NETFLIX DOCUMENTARY"
not even mentioning "docudrama"
in the video trailer, 15 seconds in, for Queen Njinga it says
"A NETFLIX DOCUMENTARY SERIES"
It says the same on the Cleopatra trailer, 6 seconds in
"A NETFLIX DOCUMENTARY SERIES"
________________________________
A documentary film or documentary is a non-fictional motion-picture intended to "document reality, primarily for the purposes of instruction, education or maintaining a historical record"
Docudrama (or documentary drama) is a genre of television and film, which features dramatized re-enactments of actual events.
A docuseriesis a documentary in parts
_____________________________
Netflix is presenting and classifying AFRICAN QUEENS as docuseries documentaries
-Including both narration and experts commenting in non-dramatized documentary format in combination with docudrama acting
Posts: 42919 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010
| IP: Logged |
Tazarah
Why are you stalking my social media?
Member # 23365
posted
Lioness why are you no longer a mod
Posts: 2492 | From: North America | Registered: Mar 2021
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by Tazarah: Lioness why are you no longer a mod
Because the old "Lioness" quit, this is a different person behind this "lioness" persona
-------------------- It's not my burden to disabuse the ignorant of their wrong opinions Posts: 2699 | From: New York | Registered: Jun 2015
| IP: Logged |
Tazarah
Why are you stalking my social media?
Member # 23365
posted
Lmao!
Posts: 2492 | From: North America | Registered: Mar 2021
| IP: Logged |
This YouTuber (@ShezmuOperative) calls himself a Hamite. He seems to have some negative obsession with Nora (Kemet Queen). So far he has made seven videos where he, among other things, calls her a liar. He also thinks that she and most other modern Egyptians should be expelled from Egypt and Africa. On top of that he also see todays Berbers in North Africa as imposters.
-------------------- Once an archaeologist, always an archaeologist Posts: 2684 | From: Sweden | Registered: Mar 2020
| IP: Logged |
UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!
Printer-friendly view of this topic