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hi i 'm male 27 living at cairo, i want to know many hings about you , your name ' age and i want to see your face. if you want to have boyfriend i will be glade to be. there is no thing risky in egypt, you are free and can do what do you want but don't hurt the others like your nieghbours my e-mail is zakrum_znasr@hotmail.com
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quote:Originally posted by akrum: hi i 'm male 27 living at cairo, i want to know many hings about you , your name ' age and i want to see your face. if you want to have boyfriend i will be glade to be. there is no thing risky in egypt, you are free and can do what do you want but don't hurt the others like your nieghbours my e-mail is zakrum_znasr@hotmail.com
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Thank you, Monica for your care and concern.
I am traveling there alone. No, I will not be in hiding. I will shop, go sight-seeing, sleep, and explore the city while my bf is at work.
Yes, in his eyes I am married, of course. Fact is though, my husband has been gone a very, very long time and this he understands and takes into consideration. He is not small-minded or judgmental.
When he gets off of work in the evening, we will go out together, have dinner, walk, and enjoy our time.
If he can come up to my apt. that will be great, if not, it's ok too. Sex is not our #1 priority.
Just really am curious what are our chances that he will be able to spend time alone with me in the apartment. Sorry if I was unclear.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Oh and .. I am expecting my Egyptian visa to come next week. Will my marital status be on it?
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Monica said most of it. One thing you have to be clear about in your question.. Are you asking about the Islamic law or the Egyptian law?
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No one will knock on your door to check who is visiting you.
About the Egyptian Visa here is a sample for you; Embassy of the Republic of Egypt the name of the city where you reside Visa No Type of Visa Duration of stay is three months from date of arrival Validity; six months from date of issue provided passport remains valid Fees received Date Et voilà! Monica
quote:Originally posted by Lisochka: Thank you, Monica for your care and concern.
I am traveling there alone. No, I will not be in hiding. I will shop, go sight-seeing, sleep, and explore the city while my bf is at work.
Yes, in his eyes I am married, of course. Fact is though, my husband has been gone a very, very long time and this he understands and takes into consideration. He is not small-minded or judgmental.
When he gets off of work in the evening, we will go out together, have dinner, walk, and enjoy our time.
If he can come up to my apt. that will be great, if not, it's ok too. Sex is not our #1 priority.
Just really am curious what are our chances that he will be able to spend time alone with me in the apartment. Sorry if I was unclear.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Oh and .. I am expecting my Egyptian visa to come next week. Will my marital status be on it?
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My opinion (as a western woman living in Egypt alone) is whether or not your 'boyfriend' will be able to come up to your flat or not is 100% totally dependant on what the bowab (doorman) is like. If he is nosey and wants to make your 'boyfriend' feel guilty about going upstairs, he will. If he has been paid by the landlady to make sure your 'boyfriend' doesn't go upstairs, he won't. The doorman really runs the joint and your 'boyfriend' will already know that.
If I were you, I'd let your 'boyfriend' find the flat for you. He will look around and deem if he is going to be able to visit or not when he finds the place. It will also be interesting to see what sort of a place he chooses for you to stay in. It will probably either be a dump because that is the place he could find that he felt comfortable coming into, or it will be a very expensive palace because he assumes you can afford the best. Ought to be a learning experience for both of you anyway.
I have to add that if you do allow him upstairs into your flat, be careful. I have to tell you a story that DID happen to a good friend of mine a few years back. This is a true story, and emphasises why you MUST exercise caution if you are going to bend the rules and see Egyptian men in your flat.
My friend had some relatives and friends visiting from the states. One of the friends had an Egyptian boyfriend that she would go out on dates with. One day the boyfriend came over to pick up the woman. He came up into the flat and eventually they left. Before he came over, the 3 women had been out on a balcony. There had been several Egyptian men on the street below them, and the women got noticed. This is common. If you are foreign, you will be noticed. Well, apparantly some of these men were still there when the boyfriend went up to the flat. They noticed when the foreign woman came downstairs and left with the Egyptian man, and made assumptions about the other 2 women up in that flat. There was a knock on the door shortly after that, and it was a strange Egyptian man standing there. He didn't speak much English, but must have been expecting to be invited in, because when they asked what he wanted all he could get out was that he needed water. (He didn't climb up 5 floors to ask for a glass of water... I'll bet), and when they told him NO, he put his foot in the door to stop them from closing it. Fortunately, my friends husband was home and he came down to the door right then. Nothing bad happened, but it could have. This is NOT common in Egypt, but then having western women 'dating' Egyptian men and letting them up in their flats is not common either. It's always possible to get a bonehead or two around you with the wrong idea. You really need to exercise caution. Be careful even coming back to your flat with your 'boyfriend' in a taxi and going upstairs together in front of the taxi driver. He might be the next bonehead that assumes you'll sleep with any Egyptian man, and the next one knocking on your door. I've never heard of that exact scenerio happening, but certainly have had other creepy things happen around taxi drivers. So, if you choose to do this, BE CAREFUL.
I'd say the response from Akrum pretty much proves my point here. Supposedly an educated Egyptian (speaks English/has a computer) reads on this website that there is a foreign woman coming asking questions about Egyptian men coming up to her flat, and assumes she will be willing to meet him and probably is hoping she wants to bed him. This is the mentality we are fighting against here. ------------------ www.casualcairodetours.pyramids.net for customized excursions in Cairo and beyond Dds71@aol.com
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hi all many of egyptian men whene he read your message will responseas i did. any way that is not our mistake Al things about american social life came from the american movies. and ther are manydifferents between our social life and yours . if one want to change he looks like that who rowing in air I think there are many of you don't know or understand how egyptians thinks and thier habits if you want to live in egypt you must forget thats you came from america and live like egyptians GUST TRAY THIS IDEA good by
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Yeah Monica, That story happened in Rhoushdy, the Maadi (but not quite) of Alexandria.
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Thanks again Monica, and thank you Debbie for your information. Yes the story you describe is creepy but certainly no more dangerous than what goes on in the States. If an egyptian man accosted me like that at my doorway I don't think he would be prepared for a good old fashioned American ass-whoopin heh .. Regardless I am simply not answering my door there if I hear a knock and will be very, very discreet.
I am totally surprised Monica that marital status is not in the visa entries you listed. Cool!
I am leaving things up to my boyfriend and trust him to find a nice place for me to stay. I am sure it won't be a dump as I can afford the best. Do the doormen take bribes?
Debbie, I would love to have your email address to talk with you further offline. Please send me a note to lgalkin@comcast.net if you wouldn't mind talking together.
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is marriage in the future and are you going there to meet to discuss marriage or is this just a vacation for fun?....i dont think i would let any guy in my apt if i lived there because there's so many people living in one apt its almost impossible to be unnoticed of what goes on there and i don't think i would risk anything...i've even heard of people getting arrested if they find unmarried couples in apts but i don't know how true that is or what locations this happened in...i think some of the vacation places like hurghada or places like this allow this...you will love it there
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The bowab really runs the show, I have to admit!
I'm a foreign woman in my twenties living in Zamalek, I have a male room mate and I have many male (well, mostly gay) Egyptian and foreign friends here. The bowab usually insists to escort the men to the flat when he hasn't seen them before but otherwise everything's fine.
I have no one idea what he really thinks of me but he treats me friendly and respectfully although we don't even speak the same language.
He's a Copt (christian) and that was one of the reasons I chose to live in this building. I don't think that a muslim would be as open-minded unless very bribed...
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kittykat... out of curiosity, have you or your roommate made it VERY clear to the bowab that the roommate is NOT your husband? If not, then he probably assumes you two are married and he doesn't think any less of you because of that. Even if he sees you coming and going with the other men, he probably accepts that a married foreign woman would be free to travel with her husbands friends.
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BTW, I used to live with a woman and my male flat mate moved in just a month ago.
First the bowab assumed that we are a couple (and married although no rings) but he doesn't think that way anymore since I asked a friend to explain to him because he started to look confused when he saw me with different men and my flat mate with different women
But I am living in a very liberal building; we have Egyptian filmstars, lots of foreigners and even a gay couple!
Your bowab must be in bowab heaven. He's got the best building on the block for gossip in his circle. All of his friends probably pay him for the stories he can tell.
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that post reminded me what happened when i was in cairo last year. I rent a flat in mohhendessin,instead of staying a hotel. Cause i thought that way could be more comfortable. But i was wrong. When My egyptian girlfriend and me come back to the flat which i paid for; the doorman did not let us to get it in.I was really schoocked. Cause I m from a muslim country too actually 99% percent of my counry's population is muslim. this persenatage is higher than egypt but noone minds other's business here.So i dont think any connection beteen Islam and this kind of actions which egyptians make.maybe its about traditions or maybe its peculiar to egyptians ...anyway so what i did?, i went to the hotel Marriot. and i spent rest of my time there with my girlfriend during my stay in cairo. but even in marriot. i put ' dont disturb ' sign on the door of my room, they always bothered )but It was nice anyway Posts: 26 | From: İstanbul,Turkey | Registered: Feb 2003
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And the Marriott let it happen? That is surprising. I would have guessed the Morality Security Police would have stopped it there too.
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quote:Originally posted by treston: When My egyptian girlfriend and me come back to the flat which i paid for; the doorman did not let us to get it in.I was really schoocked.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Aaliyah: [B] Couldn't you say that she is your sister? well i really did not think that way but he would not believe it anyway...cause my gf 's look is classical egyptian look, and everybody in egypt can clearly see from 100 m of me that i am a foreigner and only arabic word i know is 'behabek moot': )) anyway, i like the egyptians and i respect the way they chose...if they r happy like this...for me no problem...i ll visit cairo in december again...and i ll stay directly in marriot by the way , i did not know that there is any security force responsible of moral values in egypt...thats very interesting point and little bit ridiculus Posts: 26 | From: İstanbul,Turkey | Registered: Feb 2003
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Well folks! I did it! I just returned from the best week of my life in Cairo. I feel empty now as if I left my soul there
My boyfriend and I had an Orfi marriage contract drawn up, however, we never had to use it, not even once. Everyone was so kind... I think I look a little egyptian .. maybe that helped. No idea.
Ohhhhhhh I must go back ... I must move there ...
America is hell disguised as paradise. Egypt is paradise disguised as hell.
quote:Originally posted by Lisochka: Ohhhhhhh I must go back ... I must move there ... America is hell disguised as paradise. Egypt is paradise disguised as hell.
Pray for me.
Thanks to you all.
Well, I don't think ALL of America is hell just the big cities--like the one I'm in! The country and the mountains,to me, are pure heaven. It's when you get back into the filthy, smoggy cities crammed with people and cars that make you cry. I know Egypt doesn't like Americans but not all of us are bad.
They LOVE Americans over there. And made no hesitation to exclaim that they love Americans much more than Europeans
I stated that America is hell due to the social repression and loneliness sucking the life out of the hearts of the citizens of the U.S. We are all so lonely here comparatively speaking.
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they were just being nice and charming, as egyptians typically are. american tourists generally blow more money here so they're liked more than europeans who often travel on charters/packaged tours, but make no mistake about it, american politics are NOT liked here.
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Really interesting are their any appartments for rent in this building?Im looking for a flat in zamalek with an understanding bawab
quote:Originally posted by kittykat: The bowab really runs the show, I have to admit!
I'm a foreign woman in my twenties living in Zamalek, I have a male room mate and I have many male (well, mostly gay) Egyptian and foreign friends here. The bowab usually insists to escort the men to the flat when he hasn't seen them before but otherwise everything's fine.
I have no one idea what he really thinks of me but he treats me friendly and respectfully although we don't even speak the same language.
He's a Copt (christian) and that was one of the reasons I chose to live in this building. I don't think that a muslim would be as open-minded unless very bribed...
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quote:Originally posted by Lisochka: What are you talking about? :P
They LOVE Americans over there. And made no hesitation to exclaim that they love Americans much more than Europeans
I stated that America is hell due to the social repression and loneliness sucking the life out of the hearts of the citizens of the U.S. We are all so lonely here comparatively speaking.
Egypt is so warm and humane life-to-life ...
Some how I must go back asap.
Thanks for your comments!
Exactly! That's exactly how I felt when I was there in Cairo. When I got back to JFK airport and had to take a cab over to LaGuardia to catch a connecting flight, it was the coldest, most sterile, quiet ride of my life. Like I was in a hearse. The cabby didn't say one word to us other than ask what airline we wanted to be dropped off in front of. Not hello, nothing. No social interaction at all.
Yeah, the cab was clean and I wasn't afraid to sit on the seat wearing white pants, but I *ached* to be back in a hot dusty cab in Cairo with funny neon lights in the back and a driver blaring religious chants from his tape deck, Qur'an open to a certain page on the front seat, telling me how much he loved Americans and welcome to his country!
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quote:Originally posted by Alabanda: Monica said most of it. One thing you have to be clear about in your question.. Are you asking about the Islamic law or the Egyptian law?
After reading many posts around this forum and elsewhere, I confess I am still unclear. Is sex between two single people who are not married ACTUALLY ILLEGAL in Egypt. I understand that it is contrary to cultural and religious practices, but if it takes place very discreetly in private, can you actually be arrested and charged and locked up for it?
quote:Originally posted by catlover: After reading many posts around this forum and elsewhere, I confess I am still unclear. Is sex between two single people who are not married ACTUALLY ILLEGAL in Egypt. I understand that it is contrary to cultural and religious practices, but if it takes place very discreetly in private, can you actually be arrested and charged and locked up for it?
In your apartment, no illegal charge is addressed, and no one has the right to say any thing ..But forget about hotels, they will not let a single Egyptian be with the opposite sex. But if 2 unmarried couples are in the same apartment, that is not recommended; Illegal charge might be addressed here.
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heh .. Regardless I am simply not answering my door there if I hear a knock and will be very, very discreet.
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