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Hi ES Audience As far as I remember, in my adolescent years (teens) of the late 1960s, Egypt received news from Europe about a strange band of singers called the "Beatles", and as usual, the Egyptian media copied/influenced by the what turned to be the sexual revolution in Europe through movies and magazines. Their calculations in Europe were entirely different/not applied within our society. The "Beatles"+ the sexual revolution were finishing the last influence/control of the church on the social life of the European/western societies. We were witnessing/immitating something we were not shared in its roots/calculations. In Islam, we talk about sex/sexual needs in a very positive/straightforward way. At that time, in the beginning of 1970s, Egypt received illegally-introduced "Porno" magazines from Europe through which the younger generation knew about "oral sex", an act the Egyptian male at that time had considered as disgraceful/offending his pride (I think so). In Islam, there are definitions of the accepted/not accepted sexual acts between the man and his wife. Oral sex was not accepted (I think so). In the late 1970s, the video-cassettes players were sold in Egypt and with them came illegally-introduced "Porno" films from Europe/USA. Now, some of the Egyptions were seeing how to practice "Oral sex" through these tapes. Some were disgusted, afew accepted to practice immitating what the Westerners do in their "Porno" films/magazines! I believe that with newer Egyptian generations, oral sex is common. I do not have statistics/surveys but with all the above introduction my interpretation could be correct! Below, you will find what I copy/pasted from electronic newsletter I am one of its members and called "New Scientist". You may read the details. I wish to hear from two professions: physicians and sociologists about what they think of the extent of practicing oral sex in Egypt. Also, may I hear please from ES members who have better Islamic knowledge than mine about what the religion precisely stated concerning oral sex. I believe that if the male, especially the male, gurgles any antiseptic fluid/salt solution right after practicing oral sex with his wife, no virus (including HPV) could stay in his mouth. "Oral sex can lead to oral tumours. That is the conclusion of researchers who have proved what has long been suspected, that the human papilloma virus (HPV) can cause oral cancers. The risk, thankfully, is tiny. Only around 1 in 10,000 people develop oral tumours each year, and most cases are probably caused by two other popular recreational pursuits: smoking and drinking. The researchers are not recommending any changes in behaviour. The human papilloma virus (HPV), an extremely common sexually transmitted infection, has long been known to cause cervical cancers. Several small studies have suggested it also plays a role in other cancers, including oral and anal cancers. Genital HPV infections are common. At any one time, around a third of 25-year-old women in the US are infected. It is thought that only 10 per cent of infections involve cancer-causing strains, and that 95 per cent of women will get rid of the infection within a year. Many scientists think that HPV infection must persist for tumours to grow, so giving antiviral drugs to people with oral cancers caused by the virus could improve their chances of recovery. Several research groups are developing vaccines against HPV, intended to reduce the 250,000 deaths worldwide each year due to cervical cancer. It is thought the vaccines would prevent oral infections as well as genital infections. Journal reference: Journal of the National Cancer Institute (vol 95, p 1772)
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Smoking, drinking, eating certain foods and chewing tobacco all cause mouth cancer more often than oral sex does, according to studies. Also, those habits cause a lot of other health problems which oral sex usually does not... yet smoking is not something that is shameful? I don't really see how this "development" is relevant at all. Sure, if someone has a disease and you kiss them you can get the disease, so if you use your mouth on their sex organs it is likely that infections and what not can be transmitted. So what? Typical vaginal sex can cause cervical cancer so should that be against our moral values also? I don't recall anything from the Qur'an saying oral sex is forbidden, but maybe so. I remember that anal sex is forbidden. Is God really all that interested in what we do with our spouses to please eachother... I would think that the one that controls the universe would be more concerned with important matters. Posts: 238 | Registered: Jan 2004
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Mr Undead: Thanks for the info. You seem to be a physican. I think the strenght of Islam is in its integrity, ie. not leaving a thing to the arogance/temptations of the humanbeings. I bet that my father's generation never occured to them to practice oral sex. I believe that we the Egyptians, are/may be better say used to be, hot enough not to waste our time to practice oral sex, we jump over our mates to fulfil our desire, males are hot and also the females. On the other hand, I think girls, on getting married, would likely feel embarrased to ask their hubbies to do cunnilingus to them, especially there is no rewarding pleasure for the man himself in tasting his wife's secretions as they are usually sour/at times smelly. I believe that Islam has routes for us to go through ourlives with least harm if not without any harm due to the trial and error methodology as in the western societies. See what the acceptance and widespread of homosexuality in the west has resulted in the evolving of AIDS virous. Scientific dicovery of linking oral sex to mouth cancers strenghten our cultural heritage of not practicing this kind of sex. Many years ago, one of my colleauges let me read parts of a book by Ibn Taimia as far as I remember and it was telling what our prophit - Mohammed - Sala Allah Alihe Wa Salam - used in practicing sex. I remeber it mentioned kissing the lips (mouth lips of course) then fondling with hands the genitals then the natural act (prohibiting anal intercourse as you siad). Unfortunately I lost those few pages which my colleauge copied to me. Thanks again for your polite and stylish reply in a such a sensitive subject. Salam.
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STDs also cause over 99% of all Cervical Cancer. I guess sex in general causes cancer? If you have sex, of any kind, with only one person, who only has sex, of any kind, with you (ie, two married people who waited for marriage and maintain fidelity), you are not at risk for any of that stuff! So in that situation, oral sex wouldn't cause mouth tumors or anything else (well, that you didn't want, lol).
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Cervical cancer is also cause if the woman is not deep enough to fit her man, or the man is too vigorous when thrusting against the cervix. This partially removes the protective mucous around the cervix and also mildly injures the cervix, which if sustained over the course of years due to regular sex in a marriage, can greatly increase the chance of cancer. I am not a physician actually but have done independent study. Personally, and I know this is not the typical way of though, I do not use Mohammed as a model of doing everything, because I don't know him. I only know what his friends said about him. How can we know what he really did with his wives? As if he would give all the details... and if so does that mean we must follow his exact habits? I don't want 9 wives like he had, and anyway it is forbidden in Islam. So we CANNOT really take him totally as a role model. Some people think you can only sing and dance on the days which he is said to have sung and danced. To me the Qur'an is more reliable and satisfactory to God than hadith but of course there are many who would not agree with me and say it must be suplemented. Of course they follow that with "God's work doesn't need additions." Sounds rather contradictory :s One of my favorite debates when I would visit Al Azhar was regarding this... Posts: 238 | Registered: Jan 2004
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quote:Originally posted by Undead: Cervical cancer is also cause if the woman is not deep enough to fit her man, or the man is too vigorous when thrusting against the cervix.
I'd sure like to see the documentation on that one...
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Haha. Well it is actually pretty simple. In clinical studies of women who had cervical cancer (one of which was my friend's mother in highschool, unfortunately she didn't survive) doctors asked about uncomfortable pressure on the cervix during intercourse and checked that against the women that had mild bruising along with cervical cancer. The evidence was conclusive and doctors in the States advise caution about this, including the Human Sexuality and Health professor at the university I attended. I don't think they took actual measurements of length and depth though I think I will leave this topic alone as I am starting to get the idea it is not headed in the direction I wish to go in Posts: 238 | Registered: Jan 2004
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Ms Jennifer Thanks for the info. Your feedback is logic and rational. If I understood it correctly: Given a married couple (faithful to each other - no outside sex) and for years have been practicing oral sex, they would not likely cause mouth cancer to each others, I hope you are right in this. But whatabout the probability of transmitting vaginal viruses from the wife to the hubby's mouth? Can these viruses live in/infect the mouth/throat of the man instead of the woman's vagina given they wouldnot cause mouth tumors? Hope physicians answer this one. Still wondering if someone confirms to me that in ElSonna, (the way our prophit Mohammed - Sala Allah Aliah Wassalam - used to act/say in every detail during his rich and resourceful life) there is nothing mentioned about oral sex. I am sure of what I read before in Ibn Taimia or El Kiem, do not exactly remember the name, about the importance of foreplay and forbiding the anal intercourse. Westerners do not know that El Bokhary and other collectors of ElHadith spent all their lives travelling to wherever the Sahaba (members of the council of the Prophit) were residing in the entire Islamic world right after reaching India's borders in the East and the Atlantic ocean in the West and checking with several sources before they confirmed any Hadith (Profit saying). The Profit was all the time asked by ElSahabba about the right/correct way a moslem should conduct his/her every detail of daily life. His answers were collected in ElHadith. We as moslems trust/respect ElSonna and I hope that our present day fast-paced life can benifit from it. We do not want the others to believe in our ElSonna and we demand they do not impose their disrespect to it on us! I am posting what I received in my email to check both the medical and the religous sides of this topic. As to the social part, I hope we could be able to have statistical surveys measuring the trends/change of attitudes in our sexual activities and also measuring the influence of watching the Western pornography coming through the Sattelites after 10:00PM. In my social circle, most families delete the European Satellites from their receivers to avoid exposing their children to pornography. My nephew, several years ago, told me in children's innocense that we (his) family were watching a foreign movie in a Sattelite channel (newly purchased dish/receiver)and suddenly everybody in the movie got undressed and jumped on eachothers. My sister told me that it was a shock and ordered her husband to delete that European Satallite at once. I am keep using "we" as Moslems but I should add that our brothers/sisters the Egyptian copts (christians) share the same cultural heritage/attitudes to a very close extent. Give you an example: In the 1980s I was studying in an Upper Midwestern state university and was invited to Thanksgiving dinner along with a newly arrived Egyptian graduate student at one of the faculty members house. She was Egyptian copt graduated from faculty of medicine and joined my chemistry department as it was chemistry and biochemistry as well. After finishing our dinner, I used the paper towels/napkins anything made of papers that our American host provided at the table, but she the Egyptian copt insisted to find her way to the bathroom to wash her hands in a typical Egyptian tradition, hands should be washed by water after meals even with using spoon, knive and a fork which she used elegantly! Egyptian Moslems and Copts have one culture (except the westernized on either side) we have difference in one time/place when we go to the mosque/church. So, I guess this topic (oral sex and sexually transmitted diseases) is of concern to the Egyptian Moslems and to the Egyptian Copts as well. I hope the Dinasoures at the caves of Maspero wake up and discuss important issues / social trends (effects of pornography through sattelites as an example)that our country need to go through fast and swiftly without draining our energy/time in trivial discussions about the actors/actresses personal preferences. Amen.
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quote:Originally posted by sciencesailor: But whatabout the probability of transmitting vaginal viruses from the wife to the hubby's mouth? Can these viruses live in/infect the mouth/throat of the man instead of the woman's vagina given they wouldnot cause mouth tumors?
If the wife has only had sex with her husband, then she will not have any vaginal viruses unless her husband has passed them to her.
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i am not a muslim but I know that the prophet said a man should make his wife happy in the bedroom.
Also from reading Islamic authorities I also know there is nothing in the Koran about oral sex although there is about anal and homo sexuality. Do you really think the prophet would have allowed there to be so much doubt about something so important if it was forbidden.
I love my husband dearly, he is muslim i would no more suggest something outside his religion than die. Before we do anything i research the Muslim sites to make sure i do things properly.
You must not come on to site like this suggesting that your ideas are the only ones and totally correct than a Christain. You have to say there is different thoughts on this but the Koran does not actually say anything specific about oral sex.
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quote:Originally posted by akshar: i am not a muslim but I know that the prophet said a man should make his wife happy in the bedroom.
Also from reading Islamic authorities I also know there is nothing in the Koran about oral sex although there is about anal and homo sexuality. Do you really think the prophet would have allowed there to be so much doubt about something so important if it was forbidden.
I love my husband dearly, he is muslim i would no more suggest something outside his religion than die. Before we do anything i research the Muslim sites to make sure i do things properly.
You must not come on to site like this suggesting that your ideas are the only ones and totally correct than a Christain. You have to say there is different thoughts on this but the Koran does not actually say anything specific about oral sex.
Sciencesailor, for a happily married man you talk an awful lot about sex. Especially with strangers...
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To Mr Newcomer/the Angry Ladies: Thanks for letting me know about "Islamonline.net". I did find precise and conclusive statement as a Fatwa (Suggestions by religous scholars): In conclusion, it has become clear now that oral sex is not prohibited, but it is not the normal choice for committed Muslims and Muslimahs. That's, despite that oral sex is not Haram, it is completely disgusting and does not conform to the pure taste and decency of a Muslim personality. As you see angry ladies I found out what supports my analysis of spotting a change in our (Egyptian) sexual attitudes due to our exposure to the Western Pornography (magazines, video tapes, CDs). What was a "disgusting" act up to a few decades ago (oral sex as an example) has been common or at least less rejected. I wish our sociological institutions study with surveys and statistics what is going on regarding the effects of pornography through sattelites on our married couples sexual behaviors. It's better to study this than to ignore it's happening without measurement and controling its harmful effects, if any. I wonder how the westerners get "blushed"/"offended" from just a man like myself got worried from a scientific report and asking for the medical and religous input about the subject! While we in the East, do not kiss or even hug our wives out of our apartments (I like to walk hand in hand with my wife, she got used to it and of course like it, and even this I see as very rare with married Egyptian couples) never attended a wedding party and saw Married men have a slow dance with their wives, we in the same time watch the westerners have long hot kisses outdoors without any respect to the surrounding culture. In our culture there is much respect/privacy to the "acts" but our religion encourages us to ask openly and receive also answers openly "No shyness in religion" exactly like studying medicine, if a medical student gets shy on studying males/females he/she would better not to continue. I do not have anything to aplogize for. I write my thoughts in this Forum hoping the young Westernized Egyptian generations take lessons from my former experiences especially those when I was experimenting copying the Western culture in the States and was in a kind of Identity confusion. I repeat: I hope I might be of help to those in a state of confusion (what is more confusing to the younger generations like sex) and my writing may lead them to a safe haven. Amen.
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Let's bring a conclusion to this. I was following this topic with great interest but tried to stay out of unknowledge how the Islam is thinking about it. Well now we are all know that oral sex is not prohibited and its not more unhealthy than kissing a person mouth to mouth - if you are in a stable and honest relationship. As far as oral sex is enjoyable or disguisting should be every individual's own decision. About trying to copy Western things and respecting the surrounding culture I fully understand and support sciencesailor's statement though it doesn't belong to this topic. I just want to say that anyone should just do what he/she feels comfortable with and can agree on with his/her own beliefs.
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this is the first time I am reading that a woman is married to a Moslem and not practising the same religion. How can this be? Please educate me. Thank you.
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That's the first time you heard of that? Go to marriedtoanarab.com and you'll see plenty of stories. Islam requires that a muslim woman marry a muslim man, but muslim men can marry outside Islam.
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quote:Originally posted by sciencesailor: To Mr Newcomer/the Angry Ladies: Thanks for letting me know about "Islamonline.net". I did find precise and conclusive statement as a Fatwa (Suggestions by religous scholars): In conclusion, it has become clear now that oral sex is not prohibited, but it is not the normal choice for committed Muslims and Muslimahs. That's, despite that oral sex is not Haram, it is completely disgusting and does not conform to the pure taste and decency of a Muslim personality. As you see angry ladies I found out what supports my analysis of spotting a change in our (Egyptian) sexual attitudes due to our exposure to the Western Pornography (magazines, video tapes, CDs). What was a "disgusting" act up to a few decades ago (oral sex as an example) has been common or at least less rejected. I wish our sociological institutions study with surveys and statistics what is going on regarding the effects of pornography through sattelites on our married couples sexual behaviors. It's better to study this than to ignore it's happening without measurement and controling its harmful effects, if any. I wonder how the westerners get "blushed"/"offended" from just a man like myself got worried from a scientific report and asking for the medical and religous input about the subject! While we in the East, do not kiss or even hug our wives out of our apartments (I like to walk hand in hand with my wife, she got used to it and of course like it, and even this I see as very rare with married Egyptian couples) never attended a wedding party and saw Married men have a slow dance with their wives, we in the same time watch the westerners have long hot kisses outdoors without any respect to the surrounding culture. In our culture there is much respect/privacy to the "acts" but our religion encourages us to ask openly and receive also answers openly "No shyness in religion" exactly like studying medicine, if a medical student gets shy on studying males/females he/she would better not to continue. I do not have anything to aplogize for. I write my thoughts in this Forum hoping the young Westernized Egyptian generations take lessons from my former experiences especially those when I was experimenting copying the Western culture in the States and was in a kind of Identity confusion. I repeat: I hope I might be of help to those in a state of confusion (what is more confusing to the younger generations like sex) and my writing may lead them to a safe haven. Amen.
SS if someone is old enough to be on this forum, he/she is old enough and must've heard/read about this topic. And in case a young person didn't have that chance, well, you just introduced him to the topic. I'm only writing my thoughts here, like you just said you did, one thing though, i don't think I'd let my young son/daughter wander here anymore, not if I can help it Salam
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Quote: sience sailor especially there is no rewarding pleasure for the man himself in tasting his wife's secretions as they are usually sour/at times smelly.
So you have had a try then
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Hi Monica Nice to hear from you again. i still remember how your reply was very delicate/funny "Am I the Egyptian Nancy Friday? Kidda Bardo?" a mix of English & Arabic with "Khifit Dam" and spontanous reactions that made me smile while reading it. I did print and I do print all my posts in ES or wherever to read it later with reasoning and extracting lessons, if any. Replying to your comment "basic needs or passion/romance?": I did read for Anis Mansour in his daily column in AlAhram "Man dies with his eyes on the woman, while the woman dies with her eyes on the mirror!". This could explain what I believe in that with men the basic needs are there every second 24 hr/day and romance/passion help us to restrict their outlet to sink into our wives!
To Ms Rola Ismael Yassin in "Banat Howa" has a scene with Madiha Yousri asking him where Shadia went to? His reply is also my reply to your comment.
To all of the still angry ladies Have a good and relaxing day. still wont apologize. Search of knowledge/wisdom/others experiences make my day different even if it were discussing sexual matters. Salam.
Thanks ya doctor, you are very kind. You made me smile many times too. Your topics are controversial and interesting.
BUT... I have a remark 'enta zawedtaha habetein ya doctor fil tafasseel, essmahly....karamet el mar' ah el masreya mohema awy hina, dahna odam el 3alam kolo, kont afadal enak tewssef be taree'ah waqoora! karametna odam el kol, aham men ay haga. Hatta law 3aisheen barra massr, mahna masreyeen we damena massry, hatta law mesh mohagabate, karametna karametna, karametna. El ehteram fil wassf el hassass dah mohem awy.
Just felt that the details were a bit too much, to say the least!
Salam, Monica
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quote:Originally posted by sciencesailor: I believe that we the Egyptians, are/may be better say used to be, hot enough not to waste our time to practice oral sex, we jump over our mates to fulfil our desire, males are hot and also the females. ... On the other hand, I think girls, on getting married, would likely feel embarrased to ask their hubbies to do cunnilingus to them, especially there is no rewarding pleasure for the man himself in tasting his wife's secretions as they are usually sour/at times smelly.
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To Ms Dalia A sick man? you may mean Psychologically sick? I do confess that I was too frank in expressing what I belived in without using the indirect instead of the direct. I thought being hidden under a nickname "sciencesailor" would allow me to reveal - openly/freely- whatever I want to check/test with the audience of this forum, ie. to get feedback from them to correct what may seem as wrong judgement/under or over estimation of something/value. Yours, is a feedback that I look sick in someone's judgement. Ms Dalia, with all my respect to whoever you are in the real life, A Sick man usually hide himself and do not like to reveal his sickness unless caught in attempting to harm someone or taken to a hospital by force. I was tending to write something controversial/interesting (as Monica described my writings), comparing myself with three selected a kind of celebrity men, Prince Charles of Wales, Ex President Bill Clinton, Ex King Farouk, discussing the common traits and common upbringing conditions that made me consider them comparable to me ( I came from a brocken family) although they are/were men at the top of their societies not comparable to my humble background. What I could write in this respect preoccupy my mind so I know it wont take much time/energy to put it down in writing. But after I found out that this particular Forum wont accept this kind of diagnostic self-analysis and I may get kicked out and forbidden to contribute any longer, I would better write it to another Forum if I keep searching. Ms dalia, as I got more religous and aware of the religous culture around me, I am aware of not hand shaking any woman as a way of greeting her, at my office I, once, told a colleauge if you want to sign a paper from me, this is the last point in my desk (I pointed to the extreme right corner of my desk)that I allow my secretary come close to me to sign her paper work. I am known to the ladies in the house (26 apartments of 6 floor bulding)that I turn back and invent a talk to the security man to avoid getting in the elevator alone with a lady refusing all the swaring to get in. In all these examples, I keep myself away from being in a suspected case, and also I know about myself what you described as "sick" that I love/enjoy sex and look at women as an artist appreciating whatever they might have as natural beauty with a civilized look and here I mean stranger women at the street/shopping mall/social club. At work & in the building I live in, I am the most serious and also caring person to keep distance from any woman especiaaly the attractive ones. What do you think Dalia? Still sick? May be. hope you elaborate if you could forgive me. Salam.
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sciencesailor, I can only speak for myself but your explicit manner makes it very difficult for me to respond to your statements. I am not accustomed to such detail with respect to sexual behaviour and no amount of anonymity will allow me to comfortably engage in such discussions. I only mention this so that you realize it is not only Dalia who is troubled by some of your statements.
However, you have the right to say whatever you wish and I have to right to avoid your posts.
quote:Originally posted by sciencesailor: To Ms Dalia I thought being hidden under a nickname "sciencesailor" would allow me to reveal - openly/freely- whatever I want to check/test with the audience of this forum, ie. to get feedback from them to correct what may seem as wrong judgement/under or over estimation of something/value.
Ms Dalia, with all my respect to whoever you are in the real life, A Sick man usually hide himself and do not like to reveal his sickness unless caught in attempting to harm someone or taken to a hospital by force.
I was tending to write something controversial/interesting (as Monica described my writings), comparing myself with three selected a kind of celebrity men, Prince Charles of Wales, Ex President Bill Clinton, Ex King Farouk,
Hmmmm so a sick person hides his sickness and you hide behind an anonymous name? And I really dont think you would find Prince Charles of Wales talking about oral sex and discussing the smell of secretions on a public forum.
Sorry SS, but I think your post is irrelevant to Egypt, and at times extremely pathetic.
Your posts progressed from a man describing the peaceful sounds of Cairo, when the prayers are called, to a man describing women's private parts in a rather offensive way.
This is also the same man who claims he avoids being alone in the same elevator with a woman, although that same man did in fact have phone sex - or something of this genre - at one point. Not a very consistent behaviour indeed!
Personally, I found your details offensive.
I do think that your description could have been expressed in a more subtle/elegant way - out of respect to all women.
I understand you are married to an Egyptian woman, so I wonder, how would she feel about your posts on this thread?
Monica
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quote:Originally posted by Monica: jaguar, what do you think?
Ms. Monica, I thought your Arabic post was very touching (SS might take that seriously) However, he picked up the easy reply out (you're sick)even though he has been praising you earlier. I just wanted SS to reply to your post. Got a feeling he might hide for a while, but why hide for having an opinion?if you post a message be prepared for comments,if your MAKSOOF by comments then don't post. Posts: 477 | From: Egypt | Registered: Jan 2004
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Let me clear up the comment from Dalia, I know her and she is a whoring bitch, she is filth , you should see the stuff she is capable of doing......SS , you're wasting your breath on that bitch .. just ignore her.
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"I am known to the ladies in the house (26 apartments of 6 floor bulding)that I turn back and invent a talk to the security man to avoid getting in the elevator alone with a lady refusing all the sAt work" . "in the building I live in, I am the most serious and also caring person to keep distance from any woman especiaaly the attractive ones."
SS,I don't want to sound judgemental or aggressive, but this kind off attitude sounds rather bizzare to me,hope you don't come up next with a suggestion of locking ourselves up indoors so as not to take a glimpse of any females..take it easy,buddy!
Your posts progressed from a man describing the peaceful sounds of Cairo, when the prayers are called, to a man describing women's private parts in a rather offensive way.
This is also the same man who claims he avoids being alone in the same elevator with a woman, although that same man did in fact have phone sex - or something of this genre - at one point. Not a very consistent behaviour indeed!
That's what I was referring to, and I thought it became clear from the part of your post that I quoted.
The expression we jump over our mates to fulfil our desire, males are hot and also the females is not how I would describe an act of love between two consenting adults and it's not what God had in mind when he created sexuality.
You reveal an obsession with sex on one hand and a deep rooted contempt for (and fear of) women on the other, that's what I find sick.
quote:Originally posted by homesick1: Let me clear up the comment from Dalia, I know her and she is a whoring bitch, she is filth , you should see the stuff she is capable of doing......SS , you're wasting your breath on that bitch .. just ignore her.
homesick, I don't remember ever making your acquaintance.
I was also under the impression that SS would take my arabic comments seriously.
By the way thank you for the positive comments you make, following some of my posts. You are very kind.
This board gives a cross-cultural opportunity, that's true, but it is not always easy to come across the right way for some of us, Egyptian natives!
We may be seen as hypochritical, if we are based in the West, or as condescending if we have a decisive attitude, when in reality wether we live in Egypt or outside of it, the fact remains that we are Egyptians trying to help foreigners understand the 'core' of the Egyptian culture, through some of our posts.
On the other hand, by displaying that train of thoughts, SS gives me the impression he confuses 'progressive' and 'indecent'. Very sad!
Salam, Monica
quote:Originally posted by jaguar: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Monica: [b]jaguar, what do you think?
Ms. Monica, I thought your Arabic post was very touching (SS might take that seriously) However, he picked up the easy reply out (you're sick)even though he has been praising you earlier. I just wanted SS to reply to your post. Got a feeling he might hide for a while, but why hide for having an opinion?if you post a message be prepared for comments,if your MAKSOOF by comments then don't post. [/B][/QUOTE]
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Ladies & Gentlemen This is the time to end this debate. I regretfuly used this post and its topic to clear out whatever go through my mind / test my attitudes towards a sensitive topic to most of the audience. I am sorry for my unintentional mistake. I apologize. Hoping all the best in their personal/public life. Salam.
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quote:Originally posted by sciencesailor: Ladies & Gentlemen This is the time to end this debate. I regretfuly used this post and its topic to clear out whatever go through my mind / test my attitudes towards a sensitive topic to most of the audience. I am sorry for my unintentional mistake. I apologize. Hoping all the best in their personal/public life. Salam.
quote:Originally posted by Rimo: Dalia said she never met the guy so??????? can HomeSick and whoever be the same person? .......... I once read about "cyberangels" who track down this kind of people, I don't think we're gonna need that when we have a moderator here right Shumza? i think this whole post should've been censored. .
You idiot , if you and the rest haven’t posted in this topic it would have died like many others, obviously as contradictory as it may have been , it still intrigued some....you are so incompetent that all you can hope for is Censorship....how pathetic.
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Thanks Science sailor, this thread has been very entertaining. I have read carefully all the replies and comments and allow me all to share my opinion on the issue:
1) I believe in freedom of speech and opinion, so if Sciencesailor wants to discuss the issue of sex and specifically oral sex then this is his right. On the other hand if any of us found this thread disgusting, sick or inappropriate, then she/he has the right not to reply and to ignore it. However, this did not happen, on the contrary this threat attracted many members unlike other subjects! So I wonder
2) Regarding the issue of oral sex being disgusting or not, I think Sciencesailor this is a very personal thing , you can declare your person views on it, but not to generalize it by saying that men find it disgusting …..etc.
3) Regarding the medical facts I would be happy to provide some insights.
First let us talk about the research that you are referring to which has been recently conducted by a virologist in my former school. Let me till you that this research raises some questions regarding the association of HPV and oral cancer. Yet, you have to take into consideration two things 1) that this studies was not conducted on a wide population, 2) that many other confounding factors were not properly controlled for. In addition, this study suggested the association of HPV16, which is not the most common type of HPV, and oral cancer.
Now facts regarding HPV-- human papilloma virus ( war virus).
HPV is the most common sexually transmitted disease (STD). Studies estimate that the majority of sexually active population is exposed to at least one or more type of HPV.
Because HPV is very common and prevalent, thus a person does not need to have a lot of sexual partners to come into contact with the virus. So you can catch it even if you have only one sexual partner, but this does not rule the fact that having one sexual partner will decrease the chances of getting the virus.
There are different types of HPV, but only certain types can lead to cervical cancer, there are many people who have the virus but do not have any kind of cancer.
If one is infected by HPV once , it is less likely that she/he will get the same type again, since your immunity will set up against it.
As for creams, foams, and jellies, they are not proven to act against HPV. Yet there are many trails that are set to develop vaccine against it and there are some promising results.
HPV is nearly transmitted sexually, so sciencesailor it is intercourse that mainly transmit HPV. However, some studies suggested that certain types can be passed on with our hands, wet towers, swimming suits and underwear.
Now back to cancer of the cervix. I am afraid that the reasons given for cervical cancers are not based on scientific evidence , rather mythological. The risk factors associated to cancer of the cervix are 1) infection with some types of HPV, smoking, poor diet and week immune system. Some researcher has suggested that contraceptive pill can be another risk factors. Cervical cancer can occur due to the presence/development of abnormal cell that occur in the crevice years before the cervical cancer develops. The changes in the cells could be causes by the above risk factors, but strongly associated with the presence of certain types of HPV.
I guess, you are all now bored with this information, you asked for it sciencesailor, so it is you to blame!
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A part from the medical bit in your message, I found that you are suggesting two main points:
1) changing of sexual practise, attitudes and behaviour in Egypt over the years, and 2) western influences/roles in influencing such changes
I do not agree with you. It is very difficult to change sexual practices, attitudes and behaviour. We have no proven evidence that sexual practises have changed in Egypt, on the contrary we have the proof that it is very difficult to change them. For example Female circumcision, it is has been practised since the old Egyptian civilisation, since then we have been occupied by the Roman, Arabs, Ottomani, French, and English, whom do not practice this sexual related behaviour and yet it did not decline. In Egypt, the prevalence rate of ever married women between the age of 20 and 45 is 97% ( DHS, 1995&2000).
Oral sex did existed and was illustrated in many civilizations long time ago before the Western porno movies. So I am sure Egyptians knew about and practised oral sex before the Western Porno movies.
Again I found blaming the west for every thing is a exhausted excuse, so please let us not blame others for things we do not like, yet I see no harm in oral sex if this is what the couple want!
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but have done independent study. Personally, and I know this is not the typical way of though, I do not use Mohammed as a model of doing everything, because I don't know him. I only know what his friends said about him. How can we know what he really did with his wives? As if he would give all the details... and if so does that mean we must follow his exact habits? I don't want 9 wives like he had, and anyway it is forbidden in Islam. So we CANNOT really take him totally as a role model. Some people think you can only sing and dance on the days which he is said to have sung and danced. To me the Qur'an is more reliable and satisfactory to God than hadith but of course there are many who would not agree with me and say it must be suplemented. Of course they follow that with "God's work doesn't need additions." Sounds rather contradictory :s One of my favorite debates when I would visit Al Azhar was regarding this... 
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