The Iraqi prisoners were sometimes confined naked for three consecutive days without toilets in damp, unventilated cells with floors 3 feet by 3 feet, Frederick wrote in materials obtained Thursday by The Associated Press.

“When I brought this up with the acting BN (battalion) commander, he stated, ’I don’t care if he has to sleep standing up.’ That’s when he told my company commander that he was the BN commander and for me to do as he says,” Frederick wrote.

The writings were supplied by Frederick’s uncle, William Lawson, who said Frederick wanted to document what was happening to him. Lawson and Martha Frederick, the sergeant’s wife, said Frederick was being made a scapegoat for commanders who gave him no guidance on managing hundreds of POWs with just a handful of ill-trained, poorly equipped troops.

Lt. Cmdr. Nicholas Balice, spokesman for the Central Command, which is in charge of U.S. forces in the Persian Gulf, said he couldn’t comment on Frederick’s writings, but that the allegations against him were appropriately investigated.

6 facing charges
Frederick is one of six members of the 800th Military Police Brigade facing courts-martial for allegedly humiliating prisoners at Abu Ghraib. Charges include dereliction of duty, cruelty and maltreatment, assault and indecent acts with another person.

CBS’s “60 Minutes II” broadcast pictures of the alleged abuse and an interview with Frederick on Wednesday. Some of the soldiers were smiling in the photographs obtained by CBS, which showed naked prisoners stacked in a human pyramid and being forced to simulate sex acts.

Lawson, of Newburg, W.Va., said his nephew was being portrayed “as a monster.”

“He’s just the guy they put in charge of the prison,” he said.

Martha Frederick, of Buckingham, Va., said her husband, in Iraq since April 2003, told her his unit wasn’t given proper training and equipment.

“I feel like things are being covered up. What has come to light has fallen on the burden of my husband,” she said.

Seventeen members of the 372nd Military Police Company were temporarily suspended from their posts after the investigation at the prison, Col. Jill Morgenthaler, a military spokesman in Baghdad, told The (Baltimore) Sun.

Military officials said Frederick, 37, is among the 14 of 17 people under investigation from the unit of the 800th based in Cresaptown, in western Maryland.

The Sun’s Friday editions identified two other soldiers facing court-martial. The newspaper cited unidentified Army officials in naming Sgt. Javal S. Davis, 26. His wife, who also spoke to the newspaper, defended her husband.

“We really don’t know how those prisoners are behaving,” said Zeenithia Davis, who is in the Navy in Mississippi. “There’s a line between heinous war crimes and maintaining discipline.”

Mother recognizes daughter
A Sun reporter on Thursday showed a photo of one of the nude prisoner scenes to Terrie England, who recognized her daughter, reservist Lynndie R. England, 21, standing in the foreground with her boyfriend.

“Oh, my God,” she told the newspaper from the stoop in front of her Fort Ashby, W.Va., trailer home. “I can’t get over this.”

The alleged abuses of prisoners were “stupid, kid things — pranks,” Terrie England said. “And what the (Iraqis) do to our men and women are just? The rules of the Geneva Convention, does that apply to everybody or just us?”

Her family said Lynndie England is detained on a U.S. base, but declined to say where.

Army officials said the investigation began in January when an American soldier reported the abuse and turned over evidence that included photographs. In addition to the criminal charges, the military has recommended disciplinary action against seven U.S. officers who helped run the prison, including Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, commander of the 800th Brigade.

Frederick’s civilian lawyer, Washington-based Gary Myers, said he has urged the commanding general in Iraq to treat the case as an administrative matter, like those of the seven officers.

“I can assure you Chip Frederick had no idea how to humiliate an Arab until he met up” with higher-ranking people who told him how, Myers said.

Myers said Frederick has had his Article 32 hearing, the military equivalent of a grand jury proceeding. Myers said he will next request a change of venue because “you can’t try a case of this magnitude in a hostile war zone environment.”

In civilian life, Frederick has been a correctional officer for six years at the Buckingham Correctional Center in Dillwyn, Va., his wife and a state agency spokesman said.

He wrote that he questioned the inmates’ treatment and asked for standard operating procedures when his unit relieved the 72nd Military Police Company at the prison last fall. His requests were ignored until Jan. 19, five days after his first visit from investigators, when he found the Geneva Convention rules for handling prisoners of war on the Internet, Frederick wrote."

As a matter of fact, yes I am proud to be a Muslim. And there is no one in this world that will change how I feel about who I am.

As if, instructions were needed to wether be disgustantly humiliating to the POWS or not!

There are sick people all over the world.

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As if, instructions were needed to wether be disgustantly humiliating to the POWS or not!

There are sick people all over the world.

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Yes I am proud to be Muslim. Religion has nothing to do with who is occupying who. It has more to do with personal satisfaction and I am satisfied.

As I read your posts, especially your last one, I am sometimes reminded of my husband who is a little older than yourself.

I feel and see in him the same sadness I read in your posts. The silent tears.

what sort of person are you really? a rude message and a post somedays ago and now the same and barbarian messages here and there, did you not here of behaviour a

Since you say to us over and over that you write and send your stuff to the Editor to publish your stuff, here is a friendly letter to you from the "editor". Short and sweet. One very famous and world known writer, Anton Chekov, said : " Brevity is the sister of talent." Why do not you follow the classic's advice in your future posts?

To the Patriotic Yankees:
I understand your rejection to any criticism towards the Empire, especially when it comes from a native of a 3 rd World country.

A: The University
There was a conference organized by Zionist students. Posters of greater Israel on the wall, leaflets on the tables. I and with other few Arab students were stepping-in derived by curiosity. I tried to have a verbal discussion with one of the leading/active organizing members but no way to have something in common between the way we think. I left the place sorry for the Emperialistic atmosphere that these people work in.

B:The Roommate
He was a young jewish attorney from NewYork city in a graduate course at BU, age close to 30, blonde and hard to tell if any facial jewish characteristics are obvious in his face. married to a christian woman (a problem for jewish girls of America) sleep at his bed in our room only Tuesday nights. The rest of the week the room was completely mine!
(He used to stretch on the floor with the book he studies-in opened and lying on his belly facing the TV, he aplogized that he can not study except with TV opened and lying on the floor like this until he fells asleep. I used to wake him up to get into his bed!)
We had discussions over the MidEast every Tuesday nights as mature civilized adults.

In either A or B above; Israel has the Brains, Suadia Arabia has the PetroDollars, and Egypt has the "cheap" Labor.

Within all generations of Egyptians and Middle Easterners in general...the real problem is the LACK of UNITY.

When REAL GENUINE ACTIVE HONEST TO GOODNESS UNITY is accomplished in the Middle East region, between Egyptians and the rest o the arab world to stand as ONE NATION in action and not only in words, then let's talk who is stronger!

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Ms BoBBos
As you see (in my reply on Kimo)I did agree with you that - partially - the badshape the Moslem World is facing right now is because of us the Moslems. The otherside of the image is the attitude/long range planning of the Zionist top leading organizations to swallow the entire MiddleEast (from the Euphrates to the Nile, ie. from Bagdad to Cairo). If hesitant to accept the latter reason, please check the Map on the Knesset walls! Yes, the top leading Persons in America/Israel apparently are replaced every 4 years by elections but in either there are visible governing establishments and also invisible ones that remotelycontrol the direction of the formal government. Thinking Tanks/Banks of America providing/theorizing Strategies and their current one is How America could be the Sole controlling Empire over the planet Earth! This theory/road map has been formulated in the 1980s when the former Soviet Union was going into disintegration. Regarding Israel, I think there is a kind of Top Zionist council that watches the execution of the current policies and theorize the coming ones!
Wish to know the meaning of: ""3.etha2 el sayl" ? if you do not mind. Thanks.

To the Patriotic Yankees:
I understand your rejection to any criticism towards the Empire, especially when it comes from a native of a 3 rd World country.

Salam
Yours: ScienceSailor

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SS, HAHAHAA! Where did you see defending of the US in my post? It was simply a suggestion to you to get to the point of the subject matter! It is extrememly boring when a person takes an hour to get to the point. That was the issue, not that I did not enjoy your critisizm of the US. Yankee? Wow, you are good at labeling, sir! ahahah I would be the first one to critisize USA if you ever read, I do just that! Strange enough, SS, but back here, many would not call me "a yankee" or "a patriot of the Empire" for my critisizm of it. HEHEHEHE. I am actually the one who talks about politics and FYI, many people do it at Universities. HAHA. Do you really think that "the Empire" is full of greedy and blind people who do not see any of the reality of the US foreign policy?

Greenbay Packers!! I dooooo miss watching my favorite team

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Great / Pleased to know you are Ahlawia Awy. I interpreted this in one of your previous comments on Lori I think.
Ahly is my favorite soccer team though I do not watch most of its games in the last 2 seasons. I avoid getting disappointed. the team is shaky still in need of a key player "Mawhoob" like Zamalik's Hazem Imam.
Salam
Yours: ScienceSailor

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I think our biggest problems is that we have a very superficial view of Islam. We don't see why the Muslims of the middle ages were extremely successful. We tend to think it's because they all prayed and all the women wore scarves, WRONG. It was rather that they were tolerant, open, they had minorities living peacefully more than any other culture, they studied and interpreted Greek philosophy, they found nothing wrong with adopting Hindu mathematics or Zoroastrian desert reclamation techniques, etc.. If you read history you'll find out that Andalusia was lost when its rulers changed from a truly Islamic (tolerant) dynasty to a more fundamentalist one.

We should not blame others for being cruel and mighty … we should blame ourselves for letting this happen to us, and for our ignorance all these centuries.

By the way, 10 European nations have joined the EU … how would Middle Eastern countries do about it?

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Within all generations of Egyptians and Middle Easterners in general...the real problem is the LACK of UNITY.

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Unity is the product of mutual interest and i'm not sure that the middle east countries share the same interests..
The use of Islam to unite the Muslim community have so far failed, as we can see now Saudi Arabia had some knoweledge of the attack on Iraq and probably thought it was to their benefit that Saddam is toppled with total disregard to what it would mean to Iran,Syria,Jordan,Egypt or others, not to mention total disregard for Muslim and Arab lives.
I believe that what we need is good Leadership, Leaders who understand that Democracy and Liberty could only bolster our will to become self sufficient and compete Economicaly as well as Militarly.

I just noticed you are living in Alex from your profile, same here. I will "push" a little harder for a this digital receiver and maybe I will be watching the Packers this fall...yeahh!! Thanks for the information.

You said you lived in Texas. There is a woman looking for arabic keyboard in Texas. Do you know if they are available there in stores, and if so could you recommend where she could find one?

Isn't today a BEAUTIFUL day!

"I believe that what we need is good Leadership, Leaders who understand that Democracy and Liberty could only bolster our will to become self sufficient and compete Economicaly as well as Militarly."

"We should not blame others for being cruel and mighty … we should blame ourselves for letting this happen to us, and for our ignorance all these centuries."

yes , I agree with your analysis that we let "this" happen to us.
Our ignorance all these centuries could have been overcome. Look at the present day China, up till 1949 they were Tea planters and Opium addicts, a drugged nation. In half a century, exactly in the same timing of Nasser's taking power, and since then, they managed to rebuild their country and I bet they are making the Americans worry and wonder how to get them slow down their annual national growth rate (9 %), Top of the World I think!
Thank you Raymon for the thoughtful input to the post I initiated.
Salam.
Yours: ScienceSaiolor

"arx: and indians build multi-million dollar casinos on those reservations."

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In "Brevity"; I recall there is a BaseBall team named "Yankees" , based in NewYork city as far as I remember. I forgot the story of the origin of this word / where it came from but my memory tells me it was not a bad name.
In my experimental years at the States I watched several games at the stadium but found BaseBall as a very boring game. My American colleauges took this attitude with laughs and " you are right Ah---" I do not know what would be the reaction of an American in this miserable time of the Emperial America towards my attitude towards BaseBall. He/She might consider it deserving a declaration of War against Terror!
I rather loved the American football and became a fan of UT Longhorns and later on Dallas Cowboys. I use a video cassette tape to record each Superball, thanks to the Sattelites.
Salam
Yours: ScienceSailor

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Science Sailor,

On origin of the word "yankee", please refer to http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_260.html

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Forgive me when I confess that in these humiliating times, at times when the rational thinking vaporises, I "feel" missing "Nasser"! He was a dictator by all means, but I had been living his entire regime from 1956 to 1970 and not in a moment we felt that our enemies considered us as insects got to be eradicated or Indians deserving to live in Reservations not States like the way the current US/Israeli governments deal with us! We were their enemies that can fight and die for our dignity! The American government hated Nasser but their people the American people respected his strong will and clean hands. He lived strong because he was not bribed by US Dollars or Esterling pounds. He had a cause that faught for it and died fighting for it. May Allah forgive his mistakes and reward him with El Ganna Amen.
Believe me Mr Wiseman, in 1995, in a shoping mall in Atlanta, GA, I was walking with my Egyptian colleauge (he is now VicePresident for a large Petrochemical Co) and an American Lady in her fifties said in an excited state to my colleauge: Nasser you look like Nasser, I bet you are Egyptian!) and yes He has his charming eyes and well built body & brownish skin color, we were surprised! See, the Americans respect whoever fight for their dignity.
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Surely, Americans were afraid of the perceived Soviet supremacy too during the same time you reference. Nasser rubbed shoulders with his Moscow buddies. Stalin was respected by his counterpart in Germany, Adolf Hitler back in the in the 1930s. How did exactly both bring any dignity to either nation?

Seems like in your Atlanta mall example, American women admire Nasser's looks rather than his untarnished by American bribary reputation and bravery to fight for the nation's dignity. The conclusion does not follow from the evidence you provide. Or is it a smooth line about yourself, SS ?

How is it better to be under the Soviet regime for a nation's pride and dignity rather than under the American rule? Same concept, but perhaps much harsher reality under the Soviet regime. Both rivaled each other for the world domination in Europe, Asia, Middle East before the collapse of the Soviet Union, as you pointed out yourself in your above posts.

A: Thanks for the link. I will get to it after having my dinner, In Shaa Allah (with God's will). My American Heritage Dictionary says the word is used for Americans from New England, could be Extended to the Northern US citizens and could be used by the foreigners like myself refering to Any given American. Was related to something happened during the Independence war? My memory is confused and your link will clear it out. (I intend to prolong just to tease you, pass this one with a good spirit, please).

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A: Thanks for the link. I will get to it after having my dinner, In Shaa Allah (with God's will). My American Heritage Dictionary says the word is used for Americans from New England, could be Extended to the Northern US citizens and could be used by the foreigners like myself refering to Any given American. Was related to something happened during the Independence war? My memory is confused and your link will clear it out. (I intend to prolong just to tease you, pass this one with a good spirit, please).

B; Egypt Under the Soviet Union influence
Yes, the Russians were selling us their old fashioned technology, but we were building factories to manufacture whatever we manage to have its raw materials. We were producing more and more of necessary commodoties made in our plants, Since the Russians left we have been consuming more and more of imported necessities and unneccities. Engineers/chemists like myself were receiving training by Russian experts in our newly built industries / gaining experience, Since ---- the new generations of chemists/engineers have been smart sales representative to the MultiNational corporations! The Russian time was not all positives and the American time is not all negatives, but do not underestimate the benefits Egypt gained from the Russians.
Anyway youmanaged to disintegrate the Soviet Empire, and in the beginning of the 3 rd mellinium America emerges as not only an Empire but an Evil Empire. No personal offend please. I know the difference between Government and People. I you find me angry from America it's toward the Government of America. I think most of the Americans are unaware of what their government does to the people of the Mideat.
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Science Sailor, quick hello! I will have to get back to you with comments later. But to assure you for now, I do not get easily offended at all in debates! Cheers for now

the terrible acts of torture against iraqi pow's in that prison was just awful. even the most hawkish people around here are shocked and disgusted with what they saw on those pictures. none of them tried to justify it, nor did any of them point to others and say "well they are doing it too". with as many american troops over there surely a handful will turn out to be bad seeds. to suggest americas are over there raping iraqi women en masse or have the desire to rape egyptian women en masse is ludacris in the extreme. it's funny though that american women come on this board complaining about the non-stop harassment by egyptian men. could it be that we as egyptian men are super-imposing what we would do to their women if our roles were reversed. i really, really hope not! american men raping egyptian women? has their ever even been a case of that happening?

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"greedy" america has lost more money in the middle east than they will EVER recover, no matter how many oil contracts they win. my word, the amount they give to egypt alone is something like $10 out of every americans pocket every year... let alone all the other countries in the middle east and elsewhere in the world. yes, america needs oil and has to secure it's ability to get it. this sometimes causes them to act in forceful (for lack of a better word) ways. remember though, if america doesn't get it's oil, people in places like africa and n. korea (a group of people that want to kill all americans) would starve to death. whether egypt or the middle east wants to admit it, america has been by far their best friend, even (or especially) when compared to other middle east countries!

the terrible acts of torture against iraqi pow's in that prison was just awful. even the most hawkish people around here are shocked and disgusted with what they saw on those pictures. none of them tried to justify it, nor did any of them point to others and say "well they are doing it too". with as many american troops over there surely a handful will turn out to be bad seeds. to suggest americas are over there raping iraqi women en masse or have the desire to rape egyptian women en masse is ludacris in the extreme. it's funny though that american women come on this board complaining about the non-stop harassment by egyptian men. could it be that we as egyptian men are super-imposing what we would do to their women if our roles were reversed. i really, really hope not! american men raping egyptian women? has their ever even been a case of that happening?

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egypt does not have the ability to defend itself from any of the countries you named, much less the combined three. in order to do so, egypt must have the ability to destroy the world. all people's from all countries want this power, there is nothing wrong with egypt wanting it too.

i know middle east politics is very, very complex. i didn't mean to make it sound simplistic.

my real gripe was the comment about american soldiers, as a whole, raping women in iraq and the suggestion that they would want to do the same to egyptian women. it's just so untrue and so unfair.

i don't recall saying i'm a fan of bush or the war. i didn't vote for gore, but i didn't vote for bush during the republican primary.

one last thing, i never let propaganda, gossip, or glamour, blind my logic. i'm more than willing to criticize america, but i'm not willing to slander, exaggerate, or lie in my criticisms.