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Originally posted by mohsen1000:
homesick2:
I am sure you need to call yourself sick ( only)
I am not going to go down for your standard ... if you are really that low stanndard person then please stay away from here ,, the pople were talking here so far are polite and decent people even if they disagree with each other ,, no need for some one like you take part.. by the way does the mincab driver is related to you ? or is it you? as it seems that I hurt you personally.

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1-Calling me sick is NOT Original.
2-All thanks to you and people like you (Kimo)I am NO longer homesick, I should change my user name to "HomesickForAnImaginaryEgypt".
3- You ARE Egyptian, everything your wrote(i'll get back to your writing later) is typical Egyptian.
I have repeatedly stated that Men on this forum do not represent the average Egyptian Man's views,with of course a few exceptions like MotherEgypt(whom I like)and a few others.

On the other hand, you certainly do.

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Originally posted by mohsen1000:

any way another scoiety been founded on 1997 and with all respect for every one but I could not join it ,, the chairman of the society is a former minicab driver and now he runs a minicab office.. with all respect .. but me myslef as a university member of staff in London would not like to be ruled or directed by some one who might be very good person and much reacher than me but still there is a big social and culural differncess between me and him .. well you can imagine the rest of the membres of the bord.. well I hope I am clear about that .. any way I will come later may be tomorrow for your other points.. good luck

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-Tell me dummy, what makes you better?
-How are you better?
-"ruled or directed", what the ***** does that mean?Your srewed up mind is doing a number on you, dipshit.

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Originally posted by mohsen1000:
How long have you actually lived in London? How many mini-cab drivers do you actually know? ...
well Farhana I do not know why you insist to prove to me that you are very low class person.. you do not have any rights to describe me as you would not like what I can describe you with .. so please do not try to comment on my post at any thread
and by the way I have spent in London more than you think and may be more than your entire life ,, and last point I do not like to know any mincab drivers... and I do not care how much they get or earn.. that does change the fact that it is low calss job .. and if this is the job your dad or your husband doing then it is your own problem not mine.. I hope that clear for you to stop being sick

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5- You call that polite Mother****er, you did not have legs to stand on so started calling everyone sick...I see that is polite.

"if you are really that low stanndard person then please stay away from here"

So calling her sick is what? High Standard.

I do not know why you insist to prove to me that you are very low class person..

Oh....and what class would that be? You mean the class where people have the right to think and object to a Dillusional Backwards Mentality, I like that class, I should get a membership.

but me myself as a university member of staff in London

Which London are we talking about, London-Aswan, London-Imbaba or London-Mars?

Which University would let someone like you in it's staff?

by the way this is not observation but this is one of the reseraches I cam across in Ukby the way this is not observation but this is one of the reseraches I cam across in Uk . as researching is my field..

Now that takes the Prize.
Ok here are some questions for you:

A- What Language do Londoners use?
B- What Language do you use to do your research?
C- Do people who read your "Research" actually understand your crappy writing.
D- Have you ever heard of a Sentence?
E- Have you ever heard of a Paragraph? What about a Comma or a Stop.
F- Do you know of something called "Word Processor"? What about "Spell Check"

DO YOU EVER READ YOUR OWN POSTS ???????????????????

just how long have you been away from Egypt?

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Originally posted by ExptinCAI:
Homesick, I have to say I'm really surprised at something. If I, a foreigner who's lived in Egypt, can grasp what Mohsen is posting about and can grasp the difference between classes as he sees as an Egyptian, and as westerners/europeans...and you DON'T but you are an egyptian yourself....

just how long have you been away from Egypt?

because you sound more like a foreigner than me!

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I agree with you 100 percent, I have ceased to be an Egyptian long time ago.

Mohsen on the other hand is and will always be very Egyptian.

His mentality is typical of most Egyptian, it's inbred, it is Backwards Mentality.
I did not deny the existence of different Social Classes, I detest Judging people based on the Social Class they belong to.

I define Social Class as a way to describe in general the Habits and the Life Style of a group of people, it is also used to describe someone’s Financial Position.

Never in my adult life, have I ever Judged a person based on his/her so called Class, and yes that was a result of great effort on my part to remove all these Delusional Ideas I once had......they were Inbred in Me.

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I wanted to add that the shocking part is that he claims to have lived in the UK for many years, which hole was he hiding in?
What a waste.

But I don't go around telling Egyptians that they're "backward" simply because they have a different point of view on things.

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Originally posted by homesick2:

1-Calling me sick is NOT Original.
2-All thanks to you and people like you (Kimo)I am NO longer homesick, I should change my user name to "HomesickForAnImaginaryEgypt".
3- You ARE Egyptian, everything your wrote(i'll get back to your writing later) is typical Egyptian.
I have repeatedly stated that Men on this forum do not represent the average Egyptian Man's views,with of course a few exceptions like MotherEgypt(whom I like)and a few others.

On the other hand, you certainly do.

[This message has been edited by homesick2 (edited 26 May 2004).]

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Well your problem is that you can't differentiate between two things: People who admit that there are social classes in Egypt and that these classes have differences, and people who LIKE and approve of these differences. I am a socialist so I can't really believe a society with social classes is healthy, but the fact of the matter is that this is Egypt and this is the way it has always been. Maybe one day ISA we can be more like Europe and I hope it's in my lifetime, but to delude yourself and say there are NO SOCIAL CLASSES in Egypt is psychotic.

Besides as I said before what's the aim of you stating over and over again that your highness doesn't approve of social classes? Khalas 3erefna bravoo heiih gada3! I mean khalas every few days you post your utopian views of how Egypt is (views I am 100% sure you don't apply in real life given ya3ni that you don't live in Egypt) and then a 110% khawaga comes to tell you what an angel you are. Big news: We all don't approve of social classes, we just admit they exist and some of us try to fight them.

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Originally posted by ExptinCAI:
katrina, you don't get it. it's not about learning the value of work, and it's not just about having money. the class system is much more complex than that and it definitely is NOT that flexible.

there are no egyptian college students working as towel boys and maids in hotels.

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well, I did not say what exists or does not exist in Egypt. I raised a question: Does it make it right to judge people based on their social status, treat lower class people who wait on you as some kind of dirt who may contribute to the society more than someone who got everything from his father? Did you get it?

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Originally posted by ExptinCAI:
there are no egyptian college students working as towel boys and maids in hotels.[/B]

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Sorry absolutely wrong. You will find some of the most highly educated Egyptians working as beach boys, towel boys, pool attendents etc. They have good university degrees but there are just NO jobs for them.

My Egyptian family I worked for at first they had a 13 year old girl from the village which had to clean, washing and ironing the laundry, she helped the employed cook to preprare lunch. This girl was often shouted and beaten by my "guestmother" if she didn't finished up the chores to her expectation.
This girl slept on a mattress. I felt very sorry for her. I didn't speak any Arabic at that time so we had a hard time to understand each other. But I saw it in her eyes. I often bought her sweets, draw with her because she was really a great little girl and she helped me also with the children. Boy, she was really good bringing that little baby to sleep. She showed me a lot. This girl and others go off to bigger cities to help in rich families, put money aside until they get married at a young age.

I also gave lessons to children from a very rich family in Cairo. They paid me very good. Each child had her own Nanny and also these young women (15, 16 at that time) slept on mattresses they put away in their room during the day to do the laundry there.

My foreign family I worked for they also had a Egyptian woman employed who cleaned and cooked but she didn't live with them. She lived with her husband in a poorer area. This woman was totally different treated by this family. Beside she was paid a good salary, she received from time to time presents and when the family left back to Europe they gave her the fridge and other items.

Oh, the bawab I had was fantastic. A wonderful down-to-earth and friendly man from Aswan. He was always helpful, fast and tried to please me. I often brought him food and said I bought too much so please take it. I left with him many things when I moved out. He was a poor man, had a wife in Upper Egypt and 6 children there too. He had a mentally retarded son most of the time living with him on the lower floor where they both shared a little dirt hut. I went over a year later back to Egypt and also to my "old" house to visit him but there was a new bawab and the shop owner downstairs told me he left back to his home town.

I was always nice to these people. If it were cleaning ladies, bawabs or taxi drivers. I met the most friendly people in Egypt. And these people, just because it wasn't the luck to be born into a better situated family, they have to make out the best of it with what they have.

What always amazed me was that these people - who lived in poverty - never acted angry about their situation. They were very content. You don't experience this in other countries, crimes rule.

There are definitely different social classes in Egypt and it took me some time to understand that.

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Originally posted by kimo_the_maniac:

but to delude yourself and say there are NO SOCIAL CLASSES in Egypt is psychotic.

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As usual Kimo, you replied without reading and comprehending, I will assist you.

Here is what I wrote:

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Originally posted by homesick2:
His mentality is typical of most Egyptian, it's inbred, it is Backwards Mentality.
I did not deny the existence of different Social Classes, I detest Judging people based on the Social Class they belong to.

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Originally posted by kimo_the_maniac:

we just admit they exist and some of us try to fight them.

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How are you trying to fight them, I'm interested and would like to participate.

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Originally posted by kimo_the_maniac:

Anyway, have fun you are so angelic I could puke.

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You need new Material.

any way another scoiety been founded on 1997 and with all respect for every one but I could not join it ,, the chairman of the society is a former minicab driver and now he runs a minicab office.. with all respect .. but me myslef as a university member of staff in London would not like to be ruled or directed by some one who might be very good person and much reacher than me but still there is a big social and culural differncess between me and him .. well you can imagine the rest of the membres of the bord.. well I hope I am clear about that .. any way I will come later may be tomorrow for your other points.. good luck

He refused to participate in an Organization because the chairman of the society is a former minicab driver and of course we can't forget that he is university member of staff in London and that he would not like to be ruled or directed by some one who might be very good person and much reacher than me but still there is a big social and culural differncess between me and him

I agree its not a nice thing to say this about a person. And I wonder if this Egyptian guy, who runs this cab business in super-expensive London, makes maybe more money than Mohsen. Mohsen, you don't have to show us now your paycheck!

And I wonder how big the social and cultural differences between Egyptians living abroad are. I lived in London and through my former Egyptian boyfriend we used to hang out with some other Egyptians next to people from all over the world.

I try to fight it in small ways. I treat my cleaning lady and bawwab as equals. And I admit at first they took it the wrong way and thought I was just weak, but with time they got my point and we became friends. I share food with the cleaning lady, and I take her to the doctor when she gets back pains, etc.. I also don't consider how people look or how their English is or which school they went to in my work. I just judge people according to their work and their personality. I admit I found out insights about Egyptian society that really surprised me. I have friends that span all income levels and backgrounds. Initially I consciously fought some prejudices I had, but with time (and help from my idealistic parents) it became second nature to me to just make friends with people I like ... simply. And these friends have success stories that can shock a lot of people, I won't tell them because they will make me look like a drama queen/king.