*He managed to persuade his audience to build a village of utopia-type and named it "Crystal City"; in which the true believers of Jesus Christ can have a spiritual life with all the American comfort of now then the 20 th century's luxorious life style. In this particular project, he was found corrupt in pocketing the donations' money.
*In one episode, he started a campain to collect money, and he did it,to visit the Holy Lands at Jerosalem, and I still remember seeing him trying to ride a donkey at Jerosalem hills wearing a suit and a tie!
* Another episode where he collected money to visit the "heart" of Cairo, as he said it, to let the Moslem Egyptians hear the word of God! It seems that Egypt has been visited regularly by christian evangelists dreaming to convert our Moslem population to christianity, and evidently they leave with despair! They apparently are unaware of the fact that we are very close to our brothers and sisters the Egyptian Copts and we share their social events with them at their churches, ie. we are already familiar with Christianity and our holy book, the Quran, has enlightened us through out the history about the concieving/birth of Jesus Christ and his mission/teachings.

At that time, the early 1980s, I could not be able to imagine that the Leaders of the Born-Again Christians like James Fallowell and that Southern Evangelist, will on the long run influence the top US strategic planning institutes and also some ambitious politicians like the Bush family, and one of their followers GWB come to the top governmental position at the White House!

What you find admirable about corrupt Christian missionaries who travel far and wide to exploit less fortunate humans for their economic well-being, I don't know.

Excuse my skepticism of European/Western "Christians".

More Revelations about that topic:
In USA, there was something like a war between two lobbies of different opposing interests: The Christian Fundamentalists dreaming for Ameica of the "Puritans", they have their own colleges/universities where alcoholics are restricted, reading in Bible is on the daily schedule of staff members, sexual affairs forbidden except for in marriage relationships, that is all I still remember of their faculty brochures. I was trying to have a teaching position through which I managed to explore the very deep of the American higher education.
The other lobby: The Vice Establishment= the pioneering Playboy foundation + the Mafia (organized crime undercover corporations).
Both try to spread and win the hearts/minds of the American public.
We here in Egypt, we do not have establishments well organized as the Playboy; but we have admireres of the Vice trend that try to immitate the western Vice. Their interests collide with the utopean messages of the TV/CD/Video cassettes tapes of the Moslem evangelists. The Copts are very close to their churches and I think you may consider them immune to be influenced by the Vice lovers in the Egyptian Media.

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Originally posted by arx:
well, coming from someone who lusts for a religious man's wife, can we really call you a muslim? i find your statements far worse than the most firebrand evangelicals. your lusting for white flesh was EXTREMELY disturbing and i'm sure christians don't go around lusting for imam's wife (or wives). was your lust driven by the fact that she and the preacher were chriatians? do you have a sick fantasy fetish for conquering another religion by lusting for religious men's wives? do you have the same fantasies for muslim preacher's wives in which the imam has different religious views than those u find acceptable? or is this a "special" lust?

you just lost a lot of respect from me! i now find you disreputable, disgusting, and degenerate!

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yep.

Don't believe me then go to pal talk or talk to some right-wing Christains here in America about the Copts. Most think the Muslims and Christains are comitting all out genocide on each other. One trick the British knew best was to divide Egyptians by religious lines. We see this today amung the right-wing Christains here in America using the Copts as tokens.

Egyptian Christanity is not at all like Western Christainty since most Western Christains kicked them out during the council of nicea. During the Crusades the European Crusaders wadged holy war on the Copts because of simple theological disagreement. Then why are these same Copts trying to make allies and friends in the West?

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Originally posted by arx:
well, coming from someone who lusts for a religious man's wife, can we really call you a muslim? i find your statements far worse than the most firebrand evangelicals. your lusting for white flesh was EXTREMELY disturbing and i'm sure christians don't go around lusting for imam's wife (or wives). was your lust driven by the fact that she and the preacher were chriatians? do you have a sick fantasy fetish for conquering another religion by lusting for religious men's wives? do you have the same fantasies for muslim preacher's wives in which the imam has different religious views than those u find acceptable? or is this a "special" lust?

you just lost a lot of respect from me! i now find you disreputable, disgusting, and degenerate!

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Glad I could help you understand.

i'm not going to sit here and defend christianity for the atrocities it has perpetuated... or islam. i'm also not going to excuse your shameful behavior just because someone else points out that others have done worse. that's a very morally bankrupt arguement and reflects negatively on your character.

"I wrote that "I do not/did not know why I used to fantacise about -----" "

ok

"It is evidently not showing being proud or conquering another religion."

ok, i certainly hope that is the case.

"Still angry with me?"

yes i am!

you have/had some serious character flaws. just because you admitted it... just because you do not understand it, doesn't excuse the behavior. nothing will! god, i'm having to explain this to my elders!

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Originally posted by El Kadafi:
Please, they travel to "the jungles" with all the luxuries in the world. They tortured, raped, and murdered the whole population of South America, raping natives and blacks creating Latinos. They shipped the Africans off to slavery and made them slaves in their own lands. As for India, they are anything but receptive towards Christianity.

What you find admirable about corrupt Christian missionaries who travel far and wide to exploit less fortunate humans for their economic well-being, I don't know.

Excuse my skepticism of European/Western "Christians".

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Originally posted by El Kadafi:
Western Christians never follow their religion, just look at the Americans and Bush. What happened to thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not kill. Does the West really believe in Jesus?

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Originally posted by asiaq:
most terrorist are moslim hu steal rap an kill ,,are they real moslim ,,have you ben sleeping for the last 20 years they even use they own children as "bomp

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Do you have a statistic to support this? I bet if we did a head count you'd be surprised how many white protestant Americans and leftist Latinos are also terrorists.

And where did you hear about people using their children as "bomp" I bet on FOX news on their daily pro-Israeli fiesta.

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Originally posted by sciencesailor:
Eventually, that southern tv evangelist I used to dream in fantasies with his wife, he used to show both the American and Israeli flags behind the comfortable sofa that he and his lovely wife used to sit in during the show.

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No problem at all. Since I was very happy I could help out in any possible way. I also appreciate and learn much from each and every post you make. Always interesting points about Egypt and abroad.

You might want to called Isis Auset since this was her Egyptian name. Isis was would be the greek name. Most terms people use for individual names in Egypt are foregin names insteadl of indigenous. She was the wife of Ausar and the mother of Heru. Not going to bore you to death with Egyptology. Enough from me.

now, at least you admit you failings. we all have them. i've watched porn before, although i'm not married. it's still wrong.

personally, i'm agnostic, but america has given me a very good moral compass.

a hypersexual nature, lol. have an ego there, maybe?

anyway, i'm sure i'll get married before long. maybe it's time to take a trip to egypt!

you still didn't answer my question. how would you feel about your wife watching nude scenes and lusting for the local imam?

"After 20 years of being married to the same woman, you need I mean I need appetizer a sort of pepper to turn you I mean I to a wild animal at certain timing, those nude scenes that take moments in an rated "R" movie are my Viagra which married men much much younger than me have to swallow to conquer the routine boring same position same place of their supposed to be pleasure time."

if this is the case, i do not want to get marreid. if this is the case, true love does not exist. if this is the case, life isn't worth living. i cannot help but feel sorry for you.

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Originally posted by arx:

an appetizer, that's disgusting!

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Let me add, I don't care to hear about anyones sex life, man or woman.

Number one you can't tell me that y'all are angels who've never watched more than your share of pixellated mpeg's showing the limits of human capabilities. Come on, everyone has watched porn or at least thought about it. If you didn't then there is something wrong with you.

And SS, I think what Arx in particular is saying is that porn in itself is not the problem. It's the fact that you watch it when you are married. If your wife watches porn to get uhh "ready" too then you guys are hippies and hippies are mostly harmless. But we still don't want to know about it. If you watch it alone and forbid your wife to do it then you are sick. And I still don't want to hear about it.

Islamic fundamentalists in big beards and saraweel and niqab are funny looking and ugly. Ultra orthodox Jews with funny hats, macho braids+beards, layers of yarmulkes and bowler hats, fetishy teffiloth, and tablecloth tzitzit are also very circusy and when they are crazy settlers with guns they're also scary. Big haired ladies who cheer the Christian soldiers in Iraq could give Parisian designers strokes, they are medusas, one look and bam (how could you lust after one of them SS?).

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Originally posted by sciencesailor:
Ms Katrina
How in the world you came to realize I am against everything coming from the West!
Never said: West=Evil

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oh, come on. I was simply tongue in cheek on the issue of your attitude of West being evil. I read some of yr posts, I would not say that you are anti-West at all. I do agree on the issue of foreign policy now and then, actually any time. By the way, thanks for the compliments, my reply was not intended as mockery, so it is deleted

yes, america is changing. it's polarizing actually between those who continue down the liberal course (in which morality is really, really taking a beating) and those who are part of the backlash against it (christians, other religious groups, those not from big cities).

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Originally posted by arx:

yes, america is changing. it's polarizing actually between those who continue down the liberal course (in which morality is really, really taking a beating) and those who are part of the backlash against it (christians, other religious groups, those not from big cities).

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This is quite true, though folks in big cities vary across in their views and degrees of tolerance to various issues.

Science Sailor, you tend to describe America the way you remember it back in the 60s or 70s?