But other classes are completely different, they don't care what u r wearing or what u r drinking, but we party all the time, we love to see beautiful ladies wearing sexy dresses going wildly every night and if u don't have a boyfriend we consider u weird.

Mary_77; I understand where your confusion come from, although I think you are a little bit moor worried than you should be, just be yourself and follow your instinct, you shouldn’t worry about having to many male friends, boyfriends or not having one, it is your life, and no one ever have the right tell you what you should or shouldn’t do.
The Egyptian culture is as diverse as any other culture, there is the conservatives, the fundamentals, close minded, open minded, liberal, crazy, wise, dumb and normal, and there is no way of pleasing everyone, not all Egyptian women are veiled, and not everyone in Egypt think that the woman should be covered from head to two,

you are right about what you said about yourself comparing to your sister in law< that she might look and act more western that most Egyptian girls, and you are more Egyptian like than all other foreign women, it happens all the time, although everyone is directly link to the culture he/she grow in, but at the end everyone shoes who they want to be, I personally think that my sister in law who is 10000% pure American, is more Egyptian like than many women I knew in Egypt

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Originally posted by Doffa:
Here in Cairo; If we divided Egyptian people into categories A,B,C; U ll find how different the classes are from each other as if they r from different cultures and countries……
Low classes here are uneducated, closed minded and stupid mother fckers, they always wanna bother people that looks different or act differently from them.

But other classes are completely different, they don't care what u r wearing or what u r drinking, but we party all the time, we love to see beautiful ladies wearing sexy dresses going wildly every night and if u don't have a boyfriend we consider u weird.

So, to live a happy life in Egypt, never interact with low classes or even care about what they say or staring at u.

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it is very good that you are old-fashioned. I like old-fashioned people myself, I am one when it comes to certain things

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Originally posted by Mary_77:
can i react with just a little very little commend on what you said. Not that i have to explain myself. I feel better if i put things right. I do not have a lot of boyfriend, i never have a lot of boyfriend. Something very funny, i am very very old fashion if you know wat i mean. I like to experience people myself. But if people say the same things a lot, you start wondering, am i doing right or wrong for me. But we all do not know all.......

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It took me a little while to work out what you meant exactly by old fission or old assassin. English is such a horrid language for a foreigner because it follows no rules but the actual spelling is old-fashioned. Hope that helps

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I don't have to explain my point of view in details….
Maybe it's my fault cuz I thought I m talking to adults but I ll handle U insulting me this time and I ll reply u saying that INDEED Humans with Low level of education have no experience with no shiiit, how can they interact with other girls while they never saw one in school or university!!! They will stay in one fixed level of communication (Mom & Sis).

Moreover, without a doubt his Social Standard and his home have an effect on the way he acts and ways of living (I don't have to explain why this too!)

I m not talking here about wealthy ness, I did not say that I have a Black Porsche. My business life gave me the ability to interact with different categories; You r not A CLASS by how big is your account is but how moderated and civilized u r.

AGAIN: welsafty Try to read between my lines when I reply any topic or do not bother answering me.

Hi Mary, welcome to another culture!!!!!

Egypt is definitely another place than Holland but give yourself time to figure things out and understand the new culture. As time goes by you will understand why people think like this, guys act like that, who you can build a friendship with (maybe even more) or better stay away from.

The best way to deal with Egyptian men is always to act kind of "cold", don't start chatting it up with everybody, just don't be too friendly. And seriously, don't invite anyone in the beginning into your house (as the man could have other things in mind than nipping on a cup of tea . Only by talking to a man on the street see some Egyptians as you would like this person (and actually you are just trying to find the way to the museum )

Dating in Egypt for foreign women is very easy (in meaning of you are very popular!) and thats why it is so difficult to find someone who loves you for the person you are. If you somehow attractive it can be a hassle for you just to walk down couple of streets to get some groceries; even if you are properly dressed and "behaving well". It can really get on your nerves, believe me.

Sometimes check out how Egyptian women act in certain situations - you almost can't get wrong by doing so.

Avoid eye contact at all times and if you really do not want any hassle dress from head to foot in black.:

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I don't have to explain my point of view in details…

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Originally posted by Doffa:
Maybe it's my fault cuz I thought I m talking to adults but I ll handle U insulting me this time and I ll reply u saying that INDEED Humans with Low level of education have no experience with no shiiit

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how can they interact with other girls while they never saw one in school or university!!! They will stay in one fixed level of communication (Mom & Sis).

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Moreover, without a doubt his Social Standard and his home have an effect on the way he acts and ways of living (I don't have to explain why this too!)

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Originally posted by Doffa:
I m not talking here about wealthy ness, I did not say that I have a Black Porsche. My business life gave me the ability to interact with different categories; You r not A CLASS by how big is your account is but how moderated and civilized u r.

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AGAIN: welsafty Try to read between my lines when I reply any topic......

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Originally Classified and posted by Doffa: (CATEGORTY A)
Low classes here are uneducated, closed minded and stupid mother fckers, they always wanna bother people that looks different or act differently from them.

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Originally Classified and posted by Doffa: (CATEGORTY B)
But other classes are completely different, they don't care what u r wearing or what u r drinking, but we party all the time, we love to see beautiful ladies wearing sexy dresses going wildly every night and if u don't have a boyfriend we consider u weird.

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so you basically said that there are the LOW class people (uneducated) nosey, conservatives, and what else ?? oh yes... "Mother ****rs". and on the other hand there is the high class people (like yourself of course because you started by saying "they" and continued your sick argument with "we") who are open minded and don’t really care, but yet prefer to see beautiful ladies wearing sexy dresses going wildly every night.
and if mary_77 doesn’t have a boyfriend YOU would conceder her weird!!!
I don’t know but if this is how you see Egyptian people, I diffinatly don’t want to be from you high class, and see a woman only as a sex object who’s only purpose of existence is to ware sexy dresses, and going wildly every night. and maybe just maybe give you a hard on ???
you know they have a name of this high class of yours. !!! yes they call it horny

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AGAIN: welsafty Try to read between my lines when I reply any topic or do not bother answering me.

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Doffa; I only thought you are a horny kid who is trying to find the Californian hippie girl with her marijuana, and public beer drinking, and drunkenness, with her (HOT) tongue pierced, to score or any other stupid girl for all what it matters, I only now realized that you are far more stupid and shallow than that.

i mean, if i got what he meant,and mary got what he meant, then surely you got what he meant too?

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Welcome Mary.

Avoid eye contact at all times and if you really do not want any hassle dress from head to foot in black.:

Be yourself and be respectful and you will not go wrong now in upper Egypt..............
well that is another story.

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Isn't this statement a bit contradictory? On the one hand ou suggest dressing head to to in all black, then on the other hand just be yourself.

I like the be yourself advice best. Like some of these posters have pointed out, Egyptians are very tolerant of foreigners. Unless you go to some desolate area out in the middle of the desert where there is no contact with the outside world, then I would say you should be fine. Egyptians, unlike most of arabic countries have been in contact with foreigners since ancient times. And they do not expect you to walk like them, talk like them, and behave like them when you're in their country. So wearing all black from head to toe under pale white Netherland skin will may you look more out of place than simply being you. There is no requirement that you should become a muslim, wear a hijab or galebeya, just to come visit or live in Egypt.

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It seems that I came exactly on the wound, Welsafty.
Sorry, I really didn't mean that…And I m ending this conversation cuz I can't handle anyone to insult me more trying to show off even my age compared to urs doesn't accept that, I only said my point of view to Marry. What's up with u guys!!!???

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kimo_the_maniac LOL, I am chilling right now, I am listening to Pink Floyd, oh and by the way, "Heavy" is my middle Name

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ExptinCAI that’s correct,.. Born in the USA, High school, and first collage degree from Cairo (lived in Egypt almost half my life 15 years) and now I am Back in Egypt

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welsafty, i thought you wre egyptian...no? you at least have lived in egypt, right?

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AnotherNewMemberGGGGRRRRR I cannot believe that !!!, but I have to admit, I agree with you this time, Good play, keep the good work........................ (thumbs Up for AnotherNewMember)

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Isn't this statement a bit contradictory? On the one hand ou suggest dressing head to to in all black, then on the other hand just be yourself.

I like the be yourself advice best. Like some of these posters have pointed out, Egyptians are very tolerant of foreigners. Unless you go to some desolate area out in the middle of the desert where there is no contact with the outside world, then I would say you should be fine. Egyptians………………. you hear will probably be from other foreigners, as if someone appointed them as National spokes persons just because they live there.

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AnotherNewMemberGGGGRRRRR I cannot believe that !!!, but I have to admit, I agree with you this time, Good play, keep the good work........................ (thumbs Up for AnotherNewMember)

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Why Welsafty, you frisky little animal you. You're just so full of compliments to me lately, if I didnt know any better, I'd think you have a crush me.

Everyone takes things so seriously this week,must be something in the air.

Having this conversation with you makes me feel like Dr Doolittle talking to a little rat, and this is only because he haven’t talked to any lower forms of life. (no wait a minute did he talk to a bug ??)

and of course I had to complement you, when someone sees an imbecile making fool of himself all the time and one day this imbecile manages to flush after he uses the bathroom, he needs some sort of encouragement,
A thumb is just another figure, and I chose to give you the biggest one there is.

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Why Welsafty, you frisky little animal you. You're just so full of compliments to me lately, if I didnt know any better, I'd think you have a crush me.

*blushing, turning red and batting eyes*
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Anyway my dear...you know yourself better than anyone else...so do what is best for yourself! ...my trips are always pleasant because i try to blend in with the locals...their ways and their culture...that way my life is a bit easier and that goes for any country...not just Egypt!

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Originally posted by welsafty:
[b] Doffa How can you ever accuse someone or a group of people for being low class just because they don’t have the opportunities you had,
low classesim is only in behavior, not on social standards or level of education, and some people would interpret your DIRTY mouth as a very strong indicator of what class you are from I think I can use your reply to Mary_77 that you speak out of experience about LOW class people who are rude, Dirty mouth, close minded

Mary_77; I understand where your confusion come from, although I think you are a little bit moor worried than you should be, just be yourself and follow your instinct, you shouldn’t worry about having to many male friends, boyfriends or not having one, it is your life, and no one ever have the right tell you what you should or shouldn’t do.
The Egyptian culture is as diverse as any other culture, there is the conservatives, the fundamentals, close minded, open minded, liberal, crazy, wise, dumb and normal, and there is no way of pleasing everyone, not all Egyptian women are veiled, and not everyone in Egypt think that the woman should be covered from head to two,

you are right about what you said about yourself comparing to your sister in law< that she might look and act more western that most Egyptian girls, and you are more Egyptian like than all other foreign women, it happens all the time, although everyone is directly link to the culture he/she grow in, but at the end everyone shoes who they want to be, I personally think that my sister in law who is 10000% pure American, is more Egyptian like than many women I knew in Egypt
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well said welsafty wel ya wel
no honestly, you spoke my mind mate, but I do agree with some of the posts that you need to tone it down a bit.
Mary, I've commented on your question in another thread by mistake, you can read it there if you wish.