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Please help me! My friend from El-Gouna (works there as a seller) sent me sms couple of days ago, that he is terribly ill and had to go to Hurghada hospital.
I have heard that it is not as good as one in Gouna. He said he didnīt afford El Gouna hospital.
Tell me about the policy. Has every city public and then private doctors and hospitals? Does even the poorest people get the treatment in general hospitals? How much lower skills and equipments they have in those hospitals?
In my country government offers treatment to everybody in public hospitals. Doctors are usually same, who works in privat clinics, where they are better paid and doctors tend to do that work also. In public hospitals you have to wait longer and the aid is maybe not so modern. But difference is not huge.
I asked my friend what is wrong with him? He said he has more than 40 temperature and pain in stomach. Even if he has university degree, he didnīt know what was thermometer!!And I felt he didnīt understand much about how human body works. He said doctors put him to a shower head down! Have never heard this kind of treatment!?
Luckily he recovered. I know temperature over 40 degree is dangerous to grown up.
I asked him what kind of diagnosis they gave him? What was wrong with him? Nothing!!!They just sent him home and said he can continue working immediately. I am so worried! Do they just send you home when symptoms are over? Donīt they search the reason?
Please share youd knowledge with me!
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Gosh, another one of these horror stories. They obviously don't give him the needed professional attention since he can't afford medical care.
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Yes, I am so unhappy and worried. And because many egypteans donīt have much knowlidge about their bodies, they are not able to demand good healhcare. They trust with blue eyes to doctors and hospitals.
I have been in El Gouna hospital and treatment there was excellent, same level than in Europe. Maybe the gap between general and privat hospitals is soooo wide:(
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Okay Miss True. I'm a doctor, and one day I decided to work in Hurghada hospital because I thought it would be cool to live in such a nice place *and* practice my profession.
Hurghada hospital is a public one, and this means it offers medical care free of charge. Patients do not pay for their treatment, and there's no insurance system like you know it in Europe. So such hospitals end up totally depending on government subsidies, which on their turn do not arrive due to corruption. So what's the alternative? Doctors usually let patients pay for their own medications. When I was a student (actually *and* a doctor), I regularly went and bought the medicines for the patients from my own pocket money that I got from my parents .
So what you get is a hospital where doctors sometimes improvise to save the patients. I didn't say that putting a patient's head under water to treat his fever is a bad thing, on the contrary, it's actually a very good idea. So don't worry they know what they're doing.
If your friend didn't know what a thermometer is, it says nothing about the medical care in the hospital. It probably means he needs to work on his English!
And Gouna hospital is better equipped; simply because Gouna is a fanacier place with more posh population.
Don't believe everything you hear. I bet his next SMS would be: Can you spare a couple fo hundred Euros for your dear friend? Posts: 8756 | From: Tax-Free Zone | Registered: Jul 2005
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I am sure he wonīt ask my money. He is not that kind, believe me. I know you have heard this so many times. Well, if he would ask, I wouldnīt give, so that is not a problem.
Sounds terrible...Oh mine! Buying medicines with your pocket money... Are you telling me there doensīt exist insurance system available even not to the rich people? So is every treatment payed only in cash? How unlucky those people are who get chronic diseases and such needing constant healthcare and medicines!
You have to be proud of yourself. You are doing so important work it canīt be measured in money! But you must feel so frustrated sometimes...
Cold shower sounded also quite okay to me when I started to think.
I felt my friend didnīt know what was that thing doctor put into his mouth. Here even seven year olds know what is thermometer and why people use that. I was surprised how little some educated Egypteans know about body functions. Not need to mention how many times I have explained menstrual things, because some really donīt know anything about their natural things! Sounds so awful to me. No wonder some men say they can see whether women has HIV or not...
What kind is education system to nurses and doctors in Egypt? Can it be compared to western one? If I would be a nurse here, I could work in Egypt, but it doesnīt work opposite.
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what did your friend tell you? did he describe it as: they put something in mouth?? and what kind of education does he have? how old is he? where does he come from?? does he really speak proper English??
Thanks and good luck....
PS. if he does not ask you for money, please do not offer it either..
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He hasnīt ask my money, and I hope from my heart he wonīt. I wouldnīt give and I really feel he is not that kind that he would even ask. He is very proud, in a good way.
He is 22 years old and have university exam in arts and english... He said doctor put something into his mouth to investigate how hot his body is. I said it is thermometer...
I know there is a gap between two cultures but it amazes be in a negative way how education system works in Egypt if this kind of lack of knowledge is general. Donīt know... I feel before you study other cultures, history or anything, you should study basic information about yourself, how does your body work, how to live healthy etc.
But I consider him as a close friend and it is not his fault. I do my best to help him Posts: 118 | From: Finland | Registered: Jan 2006
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Well, I can understand this if you are telling me about a village woman that does not know how to read and write, but for someone who has a University degree and in English, mmmmm..
Thermometer and in Arabic termometr is almost known by everyone who visited a doctor..
The fact that your friend does not know what a thermometer is, does not mean that everyone does not know about his body and bodily functions.. We can never generalize..
Anyhow, I agree with you.. Medical services and doctors in Egypt is a great topic for a discussion and also how medical students learn medicine, it would be great to hear on that..
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I am happy, if my friends lack of knowledge canīt be generalised:)! Maybe he spoke things he didnīt mean when he had high temperature...
I thought also, is this first time he is ill or he seess someone having temperature?! Impossible...
I also thought it could happen to village people, but not someone who has done further studies.
Hope someone tells us about educationsystem. What I have red about toothcare and dentists doesnīt engourage to have an appointment...
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Maybe he didn't understand your pronounciation if he has not heard the word said in english before?
When I visited a museum with an egyptian friend, he would read unfamiliar english words very phonetically and as english is one of the least phonetic languages going, I had to read the word myself to know what he was trying to say.
If he knew 'thermometer' in writing he might have made 'sermometer' in his head? According to my dictionary egyptian for thermometer is "mizaan Haraara" - maybe "termometer" is used in some parts only?
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Nurses, doctors, those who know about education system and can maybe compare it to western one, please tell us your opinion:)
Thank you for an arabic word "thermometer", actually my friend knew that:) I am relieved:)
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about this shower treatment .. it's a fact .. it's not really a shower , they put him under water to treat fever if it hits 40 , 41 and not declining with normal drugs .. bath tub filled with ice is also known , cold enema is another option . and it's world wide known.. not an Egyptian invention cheers
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Sorry, I didn`t check my writings before I sent it...I know it is termometer. But funny, my friend recognised only arabian name Mizan Harara.
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My mother also used to put wet towel around my waist and chest when i had high fever and changed it every 5 minutes.Believe me it works better than any drugs!Sometimes old traditional things are better than medicines and this is one of them. What also surprised me that i needed to find a multiply sclerosis specialized doctor here and there was none.i have found neurologists but none of them were specialist. Farstar,would like to get that dentist of urs,i mean his number and address.Is he a western standard one and his clinic also?thanks in advance:) Bests
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quote:Originally posted by Truedevotion: Sorry, I didn`t check my writings before I sent it...I know it is termometer. But funny, my friend recognised only arabian name Mizan Harara.
OK I asked my egyptian arabic teacher about this tonight. He confirms that the usual word is 'termometer' and your friend will know it. HOWEVER, he also said that if you didn't pronounce it exactly right he may not have understood what you were trying to say and that is apparently quite common in Egypt.
The other expression is apparently standard written arabic, rarely spoken, but he will have understood from it what you were trying to say because he won't have any particular 'expectation' about how it will sound.
All I can think is that there is some subtlety in the egyptian pronounciation of termometer which you are not conveying!
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