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Originally posted by Carfax:
This is just to satisfy my own curiousity..

If you are a Western woman in a relationship with an Egyptian man, how do Egyptian men compare to Western men?

What made you decide to date, marry or take an interest in Egyptian men, over one from your own country?

Also due to the nature of this topic, there'll be plenty of generalizations being thrown around, which is simply unavoidable.

So if you're one of those politically correct nazi types, may aswell bugger off

~Faximus_the_Brave

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Originally posted by Albino_Eskimo:

Overall due to stereotypes of western women coming from KSA and the Arab & Persian Gulf Egyptian men won't respect a western woman the same why they'd respect an Arab woman.

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I've heard this many times before.. I think that Egyptian/Arab men have a weird love/hate relationship with Western women.

It's something I've seen with my own eyes, during my travels in the Middle East..

Seemingly, Arab men like the independence, free thinking and sexual allure that Western women embody, but they hate it aswell.

Not saying other kinds of women can't have those traits, just that Western women are famous (or infamous) for them.

When I was in the Military a few years ago, and on tour in Kuwait, I went downtown with three American service women (two blondes, and a brunette), all of us dressed in civilian clothes.

One of the females was attractive (this one was MINE ), but the other two were very average in terms of physical attractiveness.

Anyway, our vehicle was mobbed by a horde of Kuwaiti guys as soon as they saw that there were "white women" in the car.

The guys were banging on the window, asking the women to marry them, and they were even running after the vehicle when we moved off!

It was one of the weirdest spectacles I've ever seen, and it freaked the women out..

On the flipside, I've heard how a number of Arab/Muslim men think of Western women as whores, who are only good for a ****, but not marriage material.

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Due to Israeli politics you can't expect the same level of committment.

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Originally posted by Albino_Eskimo:

Overall due to stereotypes of western women coming from KSA and the Arab & Persian Gulf Egyptian men won't respect a western woman the same why they'd respect an Arab woman.

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I've heard this many times before.. I think that Egyptian/Arab men have a weird love/hate relationship with Western women.

It's something I've seen with my own eyes, during my travels in the Middle East..

Seemingly, Arab men like the independence, free thinking and sexual allure that Western women embody, but they hate it aswell.

Not saying other kinds of women can't have those traits, just that Western women are famous (or infamous) for them.

When I was in the Military a few years ago, and on tour in Kuwait, I went downtown with three American service women (two blondes, and a brunette), all of us dressed in civilian clothes.

One of the females was attractive (this one was MINE ), but the other two were very average in terms of physical attractiveness.

Anyway, our vehicle was mobbed by a horde of Kuwaiti guys as soon as they saw that there were "white women" in the car.

The guys were banging on the window, asking the women to marry them, and they were even running after the vehicle when we moved off!

It was one of the weirdest spectacles I've ever seen, and it freaked the women out..

On the flipside, I've heard how a number of Arab/Muslim men think of Western women as whores, who are only good for a ****, but not marriage material.

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Due to Israeli politics you can't expect the same level of committment.

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What does Israel have to do with this? Most Western countries aren't even pro-Israel.

Anyway, I don't want to turn this into a political discussion so lets refrain from discussing Israel and politics altogether.

~Faximus_the_Brave

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Originally posted by Madame M.:
However, I have an aversion to American men. I could never be married to one.

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Originally posted by Sashyra88:
<2) Western men are the same guy you dated once you have made a committed to them.>

I've never been married to an Egy man,but sure i've been married to a European man,and sorry,have to dissagree heavily on the above quote.In fact,many men fail to act with you the same way they did when dating.After marriage many things change.

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Originally posted by Carfax:
Thats a strong, and base statement.. America is probably the most culturally diverse nation on this planet, and it's men are as varied in character and appearance as anywhere else.

When you make such a statement, it makes it obvious you have some personal issues with American men..

~Faximus_the_Brave

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ROFL!!!!! Remember this?

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Also due to the nature of this topic, there'll be plenty of generalizations being thrown around, which is simply unavoidable.


~Faximus_the_Brave

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However, I have an aversion to American men. I could never be married to one.

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Thats a strong, and base statement.. America is probably the most culturally diverse nation on this planet, and it's men are as varied in character and appearance as anywhere else.

When you make such a statement, it makes it obvious you have some personal issues with American men..

~Faximus_the_Brave

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Originally posted by Souri:
I partially agree with this. I'm not so sure it just has to do with stereotypes coming from KSA and the gulf..it also has to do with the media. I do believe that a Mid Eastern man could never respect, understand, or treat a Western woman as he would treat "one of his own". I firmly believe that although my husband begs to differ. I've seen it and have experienced it...he can differ all he wants..I know the truth.

Hello Madame M

You mean that if you were Egyptian your husband would treat you different?
What would be so different ?

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Originally posted by Madame M.:
It's true though...a lot of Western men have women's brains.

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If Western men had womens' brains as you say, then the Western World would never have risen, and remained in dominance for the last 2,000yrs

Oh well, thats what I get for reasoning with a Western man basher..

~Faximus_the_Brave

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It's true though...a lot of Western men have women's brains.

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If Western men had womens' brains as you say, then the Western World would never have risen, and remained in dominance for the last 2,000yrs

Oh well, thats what I get for reasoning with a Western man basher..

~Faximus_the_Brave

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Originally posted by Madame M.:
In my experience with American men I've seen men who have no problem sitting home whilst being supported by their wives/fiancees/gfs. A real man would never do that. Also, they have no problem being bossed around by their wives. Mid Eastern men would have none of that. Some of them can't think for themselves and basically have no personality of their own. Now that doesn't make them like a woman..that makes them wusses. I'm not saying ALL American men but a lot of them. Perhaps it's wrong to say "woman's brain". A better way to put it is that they act like women or they put themselves into a typically woman's role.

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but your points directly contradict each other. First, you say american men let the women support them (no choice from the woman I'm guessing?) but at the same time they're bossed around by their wives??? I guess the wives are bossing the men around insisting they stay home and LET the women support them?? HUH?

This goes back to what I said initially, there are good and bad everywhere and basically both nationalities have good points and bad points. It depends on the person (generally) which is how you (Madame) found such a nice man, and not a weird-o we hear about on the board so much

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It's true though...a lot of Western men have women's brains.

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If Western men had womens' brains as you say, then the Western World would never have risen, and remained in dominance for the last 2,000yrs

Oh well, thats what I get for reasoning with a Western man basher..

~Faximus_the_Brave

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Actually your English is very good. Some ppl here don't like opinions that differ from their own nor can they take criticism well.

I also post my thoughts from experience. Not everyone agrees..eh can't win 'em all

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SORRY MY ENGLISH SUCKS I KNOW,
DON'T CARE FOR MY POST IF U DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT

MY THOUGHTS ARE FROM LIFE AND EXPERIENCE. AND MY THOUGHTS HAS ALOT OF EXCEPTRIONS

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And some people just don't have a brain at all.....

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It's true though...a lot of Western men have women's brains.

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If Western men had womens' brains as you say, then the Western World would never have risen, and remained in dominance for the last 2,000yrs

Oh well, thats what I get for reasoning with a Western man basher..

~Faximus_the_Brave

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DO U LOOK DOWN TO WOMEN'S BRAIN?? WOMEN CAN MAKE CIVILIZATION ,DUDE.
LOTS OF WOMEN ARE MORE INTELLIGENT THAN MEN. I'M MAN BUT I HAVE TO ADMINT IT

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Originally posted by Madame M.:
In my experience with American men I've seen men who have no problem sitting home whilst being supported by their wives/fiancees/gfs. A real man would never do that. Also, they have no problem being bossed around by their wives. Mid Eastern men would have none of that. Some of them can't think for themselves and basically have no personality of their own. Now that doesn't make them like a woman..that makes them wusses. I'm not saying ALL American men but a lot of them. Perhaps it's wrong to say "woman's brain". A better way to put it is that they act like women or they put themselves into a typically woman's role.

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but your points directly contradict each other. First, you say american men let the women support them (no choice from the woman I'm guessing?) but at the same time they're bossed around by their wives??? I guess the wives are bossing the men around insisting they stay home and LET the women support them?? HUH?

This goes back to what I said initially, there are good and bad everywhere and basically both nationalities have good points and bad points. It depends on the person (generally) which is how you (Madame) found such a nice man, and not a weird-o we hear about on the board so much

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Originally posted by Tigerlily:
And some people just don't have a brain at all.....

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Tiger! Where have you been my good friend??

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I take it you dislike women in general.

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What on Earth did I say to make you think I dislike women

You mean my comment about the Western world rising to dominance?

That statement was made out of fact. It's a fact that men are more dominant than women..

The reason for this is biological.

Sorry if you can't understand this, but it has nothing to do with sexism at all.

It's human physiology.

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At any rate..I didn't say ALL Western men...I said SOME.

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I don't know why you're taking offense to what I say...I didn't say anything offensive about you personally. I do not know you.

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I haven't taken offense to anything you've said. I find some of your comments a bit absurd and nonsensical thats all

~Sir Faximus_the_Brave

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Ok here's my experience....I have a very close friend who financially supports her fiance. The man hasn't had a job in two years. She bosses him around like a dog sometimes..he puts up with it. Do you understand what I mean now? He puts up with the "abuse" because he's too lazy to get a job and he enjoys not having to take responsiblity for himself.

In this way he's acting weak...a very typical stereotype of women. But you and I both know that that stereotype is not always true.

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In my experience with American men I've seen men who have no problem sitting home whilst being supported by their wives/fiancees/gfs. A real man would never do that. Also, they have no problem being bossed around by their wives. Mid Eastern men would have none of that. Some of them can't think for themselves and basically have no personality of their own. Now that doesn't make them like a woman..that makes them wusses. I'm not saying ALL American men but a lot of them. Perhaps it's wrong to say "woman's brain". A better way to put it is that they act like women or they put themselves into a typically woman's role.

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but your points directly contradict each other. First, you say american men let the women support them (no choice from the woman I'm guessing?) but at the same time they're bossed around by their wives??? I guess the wives are bossing the men around insisting they stay home and LET the women support them?? HUH?

This goes back to what I said initially, there are good and bad everywhere and basically both nationalities have good points and bad points. It depends on the person (generally) which is how you (Madame) found such a nice man, and not a weird-o we hear about on the board so much

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hmmmmmmm, well I never KNEW of someone like this (heard of younger men like this), but maybe she just has bad taste?

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Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba2Koshari:
Carfaximus,

I actually have my stereotypes about Western men who land in the army. Generally speaking I thought they were not very educated and sort of dumb (sorry!).

But I'm amazed how good your language is. What's your educational background?

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Haha, well some of the "bullet biters" do tend to be a bit on the dumb side

Anyway, I am college educated. I got my degree from Baylor University, which is one of the best Universities in Texas.

As for what I got a degree in....Marketing! And alas, I will never use it.

I wish I never would have gotten a marketing degree.. I'm more of the action, out doors type of guy than an indoor, work in the office type

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I read you've been serving in Q8! And what did you think of Q8i women?

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Yep, I went to Kuwait multiple times, aswell as Bahrain and Saudi Arabia. As for Kuwaiti women, I never had much experience with them as we were prohibited from even talking with them.

That order came from both the U.S Military, and the Kuwaiti gov't.

I remember going downtown to the Mall though, and doing a bit of subtle flirting with some Kuwaiti girls.

Actually, they were following me around the Mall.. I never spoke to them though, because I knew I'd get in trouble for doing so.

It was just eye contact, posturing, smiling and other soft forms of flirtation.

All I know is, I saw a woman with the most beautiful eyes I've ever seen in Kuwait.

She was a bedouin, and all I could see were her eyes. Her eyes were of the most INTENSE green, more like emeralds than anything else.

I actually wrote a post about it here on E-S years ago...something entitled,"Middle Eastern women with emerald eyes."

But yeah, I am definitely attracted to Middle Eastern women.

I've actually dated two Lebanese American girls, and one Iranian American..

~Faximus_The_Brave

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Carfax, R U MISOGINIST? YOU LOOK DOWN TO WOMAN'S BRAIN.

HOW CAN U SAY THIS
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If Western men had womens' brains as you say, then the Western World would never have risen, and remained in dominance for the last 2,000yrs [Roll Eyes]
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Actually, they were following me around the Mall.. I never spoke to them though, because I knew I'd get in trouble for doing so.
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ليه بروح أمك روميوو لا ايه
SEE THIS MAN IS LOOKING DOWN TO WOMEN BRAIN AND IN THE SAME TIME CHASING THEM IN THE MALL.
لو حد شافك هيعلقوك من رجليك و يدبحوك في السلخانه عشان انتا تستاهل عمال تجري و را الحريم يا عرة الرجالة

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Seriously man, I think you're a bit of a nutter

~Faximus_The_Brave

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Originally posted by Carfax:
All I know is, I saw a woman with the most beautiful eyes I've ever seen in Kuwait.
She was a bedouin, and all I could see were her eyes. Her eyes were of the most INTENSE green, more like emeralds than anything else.

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Originally posted by Lazeez:
Albino Eskimo, still I didn't see your answer, why did you decide to marry Egyptian man? specially if you knew all those lovely features about American men already! Did the Egyptian guy get you drunk to sign the mariage contract?

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Originally posted by Egyptian_batman:
I think a lot of western woman are unfaithful
alot of egyptian woman are faithful

alot of egyptian men have men's brain
alot of western men have women's brain

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