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first of all hello everybody, i am new here, and i have a question, maybe it is somewhat strange but.. well : will an young egyptian man ever marry a girl who is not a virgin and not egyptian?
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We wont laugh because we heard this question hundreds of times here.
Answer is : Yes, but most of those marriages usually don't work either because they are based on something other than the intetnion of making family or because of cultural conflicts.
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quote:Originally posted by S1lence: first of all hello everybody, i am new here, and i have a question, maybe it is somewhat strange but.. well : will an young egyptian man ever marry a girl who is not a virgin and not egyptian?
Depends on the guy ... but it does happen.
Things to look for are open mindedness (the more, the better) and social class (the higher, the more your chances are).
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quote:Originally posted by LaZeeZ: Answer is : Yes, but most of those marriages usually don't work either because they are based on something other than the intetnion of making family or because of cultural conflicts.
I am interested to know if Lazeez has any statistics to illustrate the above statement. How does the divorce rate compare between foreigners marrying Egyptians and between those born there? The rate of divorce seems to be increasing generally. It would be interesting to see figures on this. I must check to see if there are any statistics on a similar, UK based study.
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quote:Originally posted by S1lence: first of all hello everybody, i am new here, and i have a question, maybe it is somewhat strange but.. well : will an young egyptian man ever marry a girl who is not a virgin and not egyptian?
Trying to be more diplomatic
Egyptian men should be more concerned about finding certain qualities in a future wife whether foreigner or not such as warmth, kindness, intelligence........ rather than being concerned about "virginity".
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How bout asking these to potential marriage victims ooops i mean partners.
answers to be marked with Y= yes N = no M= maybe
WOULD YOU? [_] go out with me? [_] give me your number? [_] kiss me? [_] watch a movie with me [_] be my bf?/gf? [_] Dance with me? [_] Spank that arse? [_] Say yes if i asked you out? [_] Get wasted with me? [_] Hang out with me? [_] Bring me around your friends?
D0 Y0U. [_] think im hot? [_] want to kiss me? [_] want to cuddle with me?
AM i... [_] smart? [_] cute? [_] funny? [_] cool? [_] loveable? [_] adorable? [_] great to be with? [_] all of the above?
HAVE Y0U EVER [_] thought about me? [_] thought there might be an "us"? [_] had a crush on me? [_] wanted my number
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quote:Originally posted by S1lence: first of all hello everybody, i am new here, and i have a question, maybe it is somewhat strange but.. well : will an young egyptian man ever marry a girl who is not a virgin and not egyptian?
quote:Originally posted by S1lence: first of all hello everybody, i am new here, and i have a question, maybe it is somewhat strange but.. well : will an young egyptian man ever marry a girl who is not a virgin and not egyptian?
quote:Originally posted by S1lence: first of all hello everybody, i am new here, and i have a question, maybe it is somewhat strange but.. well : will an young egyptian man ever marry a girl who is not a virgin and not egyptian?
Depends on the guy ... but it does happen.
Things to look for are open mindedness (the more, the better) and social class (the higher, the more your chances are).
I agree with you....chances of a uneducated villager marrying a foreigner are practically zero...chances of graduate from the city marrying a foreigner is greater.It is all about mentality.
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quote:Originally posted by LaZeeZ: Answer is : Yes, but most of those marriages usually don't work either because they are based on something other than the intetnion of making family or because of cultural conflicts.
you mean based on something like Love?? Posts: 15090 | From: http://www.egyptalk.com/forum/ | Registered: Jul 2004
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quote:Originally posted by S1lence: first of all hello everybody, i am new here, and i have a question, maybe it is somewhat strange but.. well : will an young egyptian man ever marry a girl who is not a virgin and not egyptian?
Depends on the guy ... but it does happen.
Things to look for are open mindedness (the more, the better) and social class (the higher, the more your chances are).
I agree with you....chances of a uneducated villager marrying a foreigner are practically zero...chances of graduate from the city marrying a foreigner is greater.It is all about mentality.
The reason why Egyptian/Foreign marriages are such a joke is due to Egyptian illiterates working in Tourism marry Foreigners double their age and end up scandalizing both Egyptian and Foreign.
Natashiah,
What you are proposing is ideal, but in reality its the complete opposite.
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quote:Originally posted by S1lence: first of all hello everybody, i am new here, and i have a question, maybe it is somewhat strange but.. well : will an young egyptian man ever marry a girl who is not a virgin and not egyptian?
Depends on the guy ... but it does happen.
Things to look for are open mindedness (the more, the better) and social class (the higher, the more your chances are).
I agree with you....chances of a uneducated villager marrying a foreigner are practically zero...
Unless he's gone to work in Sharm, Hurghada or Luxor... then it's almost inevitable!
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quote:Originally posted by LaZeeZ: Answer is : Yes, but most of those marriages usually don't work either because they are based on something other than the intetnion of making family or because of cultural conflicts.
you mean based on something like Love??
Mutual Love based marriage happen for the purpose of making a family, right?
I kinda feel that out of each 100 Marriages between Egyptian and westerner, 90 are based on sex, money or Visa. The other 10 happen for good reasons but most of them lack mutual understanding of life priorities. Few people can really manage to tolerate the ways different from those they were raised up by. Man and woman have enough differences to work on, add to that cultural and sometimes religious differences and this is much to work on.
Those who can't let go their ways usually impose their version of life on the other who tend to compromises alot and vice versa. Depends who has the stronger stand in the marriage
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Those who can't let go their ways usually impose their version of life on the other who tend to compromises alot and vice versa. Depends who has the stronger stand in the marriage
Actually I dont' see this happening.
I see alot of western females pay for just about everything yet, change faiths, change lifestyles, dump friends and family. These women have the upper hand due to their greater affluence yet they immediately change everything about themselves to suit the husband (or manwhore).
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Those who can't let go their ways usually impose their version of life on the other who tend to compromises alot and vice versa. Depends who has the stronger stand in the marriage
Actually I dont' see this happening.
I see alot of western females pay for just about everything yet, change faiths, change lifestyles, dump friends and family. These women have the upper hand due to their greater affluence yet they immediately change everything about themselves to suit the husband (or manwhore).
I didn't measure who is having stronger stand in terms of who is wealthier, but who is more dominant and controlling. Usually it's the man.
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The reason why Egyptian/Foreign marriages are such a joke is due to Egyptian illiterates working in Tourism marry Foreigners double their age and end up scandalizing both Egyptian and Foreign.
I totally disagree here. I know many ppl who are in these marriages and they have nothing to do with tourism and they are very happy. Some ppl have never been to Luxor or Hurghada! Quit generalizing please.
Now in these instances where women are taken in by gigolos I agree. But I happen to know of many couples who do not fit into those categories. __________________________________________________
quote:Mutual Love based marriage happen for the purpose of making a family, right?
I kinda feel that out of each 100 Marriages between Egyptian and westerner, 90 are based on sex, money or Visa. The other 10 happen for good reasons but most of them lack mutual understanding of life priorities. Few people can really manage to tolerate the ways different from those they were raised up by. Man and woman have enough differences to work on, add to that cultural and sometimes religious differences and this is much to work on.
Those who can't let go their ways usually impose their version of life on the other who tend to compromises alot and vice versa. Depends who has the stronger stand in the marriage
You are generalizing too. How do you know that these couples are not really in love? Are not really interested in familiy? Are not concerned with visas? Give me a break.
Your kinda feel..... .........OMG......get a life....grow up! Yes there are a lot of those funky marriages in resort towns. But are you basing your opinions on those or the rest of the world?
Actually, a lot of multicultural marriages and families work because of the differences. They love and respect those differences. Also they known from the beginning that they will have problems and are more prepared for them.
Those who can't let go their ways usually impose their version of life on the other who tend to compromises alot and vice versa. Depends who has the stronger stand in the marriage
Sounds like you are generalizing a little too much here. Comon, is it really most people you are referring to, or is it a certain person or incident that you are referring to? Sounds to me like you were burned. _________________________________________________
Also let me add that YES I am a little moody today. Maybe that has something to do with the fact that me and my guy are working desperately to fix our problem of his parents not accepting me ONLY because I am; American, divorced, and have kids. The met me loved me respected me, but oh.........I am not an Egyptian virgin. That is really frustrating. We have been friends and known each other a while. And yes way before we decided to have a deeper relationship and marry. Everyone knows we are perfect for each other. Except for those traditional stipulations. It is precisly our differences in culture that make us so attracted to each other and compatible. If we cannot make his family accept our engagement. Then it's a very good possiblity that no; VISA, AMOUNT OF MONEY, OR SEX, WOULD CHANGE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My guy cannot stand Egyptian women. (for himself anyway) He's never been able to find anyone that he can connect with, on all levels. Until me. That is also part of our cultural differences. So sometimes cultural differences can be a hard thing for a couple. But for those that are truly in love. Those that are truly devoted to each other and respect each other, the cultural thing can also be a tie that binds.
Also, we respect each other too much to be so darn dominate. I mean I have never had anyone care more about my feelings and how thier choices and actions affected me. I am the same towards him. We have to fix our problems together. There is no such thing as who is more dominate. That just does not exist in our relationship. Also in many couples that I know relationships. And it is partly because of the cutlural differences. That and we have far to much love and respect for each other as a people, and our relatioship as a couple.
So please do not generalize. If you are relying on certain circumstances. Please do all of us a favor and say so.
I am normally very nice on here, and maybe I'm just PMS-ing, BUT THIS JUST PISSED ME OFF!
Thank you and Shukran
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quote:Originally posted by sheba76: The reason why Egyptian/Foreign marriages are such a joke is due to Egyptian illiterates working in Tourism marry Foreigners double their age and end up scandalizing both Egyptian and Foreign.
I totally disagree here. I know many ppl who are in these marriages and they have nothing to do with tourism and they are very happy. Some ppl have never been to Luxor or Hurghada! Quit generalizing please.
Now in these instances where women are taken in by gigolos I agree. But I happen to know of many couples who do not fit into those categories. __________________________________________________
quote:Mutual Love based marriage happen for the purpose of making a family, right?
I kinda feel that out of each 100 Marriages between Egyptian and westerner, 90 are based on sex, money or Visa. The other 10 happen for good reasons but most of them lack mutual understanding of life priorities. Few people can really manage to tolerate the ways different from those they were raised up by. Man and woman have enough differences to work on, add to that cultural and sometimes religious differences and this is much to work on.
Those who can't let go their ways usually impose their version of life on the other who tend to compromises alot and vice versa. Depends who has the stronger stand in the marriage
You are generalizing too. How do you know that these couples are not really in love? Are not really interested in familiy? Are not concerned with visas? Give me a break.
Your kinda feel..... .........OMG......get a life....grow up! Yes there are a lot of those funky marriages in resort towns. But are you basing your opinions on those or the rest of the world?
Actually, a lot of multicultural marriages and families work because of the differences. They love and respect those differences. Also they known from the beginning that they will have problems and are more prepared for them.
Those who can't let go their ways usually impose their version of life on the other who tend to compromises alot and vice versa. Depends who has the stronger stand in the marriage
Sounds like you are generalizing a little too much here. Comon, is it really most people you are referring to, or is it a certain person or incident that you are referring to? Sounds to me like you were burned. _________________________________________________
Also let me add that YES I am a little moody today. Maybe that has something to do with the fact that me and my guy are working desperately to fix our problem of his parents not accepting me ONLY because I am; American, divorced, and have kids. The met me loved me respected me, but oh.........I am not an Egyptian virgin. That is really frustrating. We have been friends and known each other a while. And yes way before we decided to have a deeper relationship and marry. Everyone knows we are perfect for each other. Except for those traditional stipulations. It is precisly our differences in culture that make us so attracted to each other and compatible. If we cannot make his family accept our engagement. Then it's a very good possiblity that no; VISA, AMOUNT OF MONEY, OR SEX, WOULD CHANGE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My guy cannot stand Egyptian women. (for himself anyway) He's never been able to find anyone that he can connect with, on all levels. Until me. That is also part of our cultural differences. So sometimes cultural differences can be a hard thing for a couple. But for those that are truly in love. Those that are truly devoted to each other and respect each other, the cultural thing can also be a tie that binds.
Also, we respect each other too much to be so darn dominate. I mean I have never had anyone care more about my feelings and how thier choices and actions affected me. I am the same towards him. We have to fix our problems together. There is no such thing as who is more dominate. That just does not exist in our relationship. Also in many couples that I know relationships. And it is partly because of the cutlural differences. That and we have far to much love and respect for each other as a people, and our relatioship as a couple.
So please do not generalize. If you are relying on certain circumstances. Please do all of us a favor and say so.
I am normally very nice on here, and maybe I'm just PMS-ing, BUT THIS JUST PISSED ME OFF!
Thank you and Shukran
I totally disagree here. I know many ppl who are in these marriages and they have nothing to do with tourism and they are very happy. Some ppl have never been to Luxor or Hurghada! Quit generalizing please.
Actually I suppose that was generalizing, half meet on vacation, another 45% meet over the internet and 5% meet in person in the west.
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definatly PMS ,i wait for to see what is said ,i wont guess twice to know who will answer that one above me ,hheheheheheeheheh,im mnch me banana and wait with bated breath ... Posts: 4597 | Registered: Jun 2006
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"Actually I suppose that was generalizing, half meet on vacation, another 45% meet over the internet and 5% meet in person in the west."
"I kinda feel that out of each 100 Marriages between Egyptian and westerner, 90 are based on sex, money or Visa. The other 10 happen for good reasons but most of them lack mutual understanding of life priorities."
Sorry but where did that first quote come in on your first reply?
And exactly HOW MANY couples do you know where this fits and other situations dont fit in?
All I mean is...........that there are far too many REAL couples with REAL relationships, based on REAL love, REAL devotion,and REAL respect, for this to apply as a broad generalization.
I mean I totally agree when it is applied to those ridiculous relationships. But there are so many real relationships out there that are good and genuine. Me being in the position that I am in at the moment. Knowing that me and my guy might have to give up our happiness for traditions and cultural biases, REALLY HURTS. And it is putting a bitter pill in my mouth. Also, I know many couples who are so happy. They should be included in this equation too.
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well well well...i actually really enjoyed reading your replies. would not say it brought me sth, but thnx alot despite..and yeah...to be clear here...surely he isnt from hurghada or luxor or whatever..he is from cairo and graduated this year..
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It is more important to ask: WHY should he wants to marry me?
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i was a virgin when i married mine...but he is now the ex and was so not worth my body. he had many non virgin girls before me and refused to marry any of them. but i found him later on to be very low class and if he was to propose to an egyptian girl in egypt i think her father would have killed him.
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Well I will speak from my own position as an Egyptian muslim male......if I love the girl and I think she is the one then being a virgin or not is something non-relevant.
In addition to that I think that labeling ppl on keeping their virginity till marriage or not is too arregant, I mean a guy can lose virginity but never being discovered and so does a female, and operation that worth 500L.E can bring a non-virgin girl back as if she was never touched.
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