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After some personal research, I was shocked to find out that many young Egyptians are depressed and are actually using anti-depressants.
I can totally understand that this is one of the results of the current situation, but please tell me what you think of this story.
So my sister (22 years old) has been "feeling severely down" for a couple of years. We think it's a result of being repeatedly harassed but we're not sure it's the only factor.
So my other sister diagnosed her with Dysthemia, which is considered as a very light form of depression, not really depression just yet, but almost.
Anyway, she decided to see a Psychiatrist. Coincidently enough he happened to be an ex colleague but that is not important right now!! Anyway, just after the first visit he prescribes her Prozac , and read this: WITHOUUT ANY EDUCATION ABOUT HOW TO USE IT. (She's not a medico)
Maybe some of you know what could happen if one uses Prozac "just for the fun of it"..
I found out by coincidence that she is using it. Needless to say that my heart almost stopped upon her saying the word Prozac. She said she didn't want to bother me with her complaints and make me worry too much.
I have manage to convince her through quitting it, thank God. I also took some herbal medicine with me for her. And guess what, three months later, she is feeling as good as new!
Now my question is, how come anti-depressants are so easily prescribed in Egypt and do you guys have any idea of any numbers?
And does any of you (or someone you know) have any experience with getting psychological/psychiatric treatment in Egypt? If yes, how was it?
(Batty this is the thread I told you about )
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I would be also "feeling severly down" if you would be my sister!
Seriously, how come you don't know nothing about what's going on in your own country? Don't you think it would be easier for you to get in contact with some Egyptian doctors and conduct your 'research' there? There are plenty websites available on the internet just in case you are still wondering.
BTW, Egypt is not the only country where anti-depressants are easily prescribed by doctors.
And seriously you will not receive any satisfying answers on here since we are all 'morons', 'idiots', 'imbeciles', 'autistic', 'vegetables' (did I forget something?) in your opinion. So why bothering with low IQ's on this forum?
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Thank you Batty for PMing your reply. It had very useful info, great man! I posted this thread on the public forum to hear the experience of normal people, but I still actually was mostly interested in your answer. I still have a comment though. So thanks again.
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Just for the people who don't know what "Mrs. CK" means - it means "Mrs . Child Killer" and is refering to my husband's profession in the US military.
I doubt that you wished my husband anything good, you are an evil person and you can bump into my threads as much as you want please feel free to do so ..... it's entertaining to see for me how you react. You give it, you have to take it too..... so let's keep it fair, Mrs. Botox Brain! So long! Posts: 30135 | From: The owner of this website killed ES....... | Registered: Feb 2004
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I m sorry for your Sister MK hope she will get better soon ISA
Keep trying to find out why she is so depressed, if she feels that you take great interested about what is happening in her life, she may feel like to confides in you. Thanks God you have managed to convict her to stop taking those “Prozac pills” but you should keep coaching her and make sure that she is not taking them anymore. I do have an older sister who always hated me, and never took care of me , I m always envy those who have the chance to have one like you. Why anti-depressants are so easily prescribed in Egypt? I have no idea; however I have found this article in Al- Ahram which may help to understand why young Egyptians get so depressed.
There are different types of depression. Uni-polar depression, for example, is when a person occasionally becomes depressed. Manic depression, or bi-polar mood disorder, is when a person's mood swings between two extremes; from a heightened sense of confidence and restlessness to feelings of despair and inactivity.
Haggag argues that, like any other psychological disease, depression is caused by several factors. In some cases, people are predisposed to it. In others, depression can be caused by social circumstances, together with an individual's ability to cope and capacity to adapt to difficulties. Domestic violence and poverty are examples of social pressure that can trigger depression and suicide. Feeling lonely, alienated, having no one to share your thoughts with or having a troubled emotional relationship can also make an individual depressed. The amount of support someone gets from their family and friends is a major factor in helping depressed persons overcome their depression.
Although it is not uncommon, there is a stigma attached to suicide and attempted suicide. Mahmoud El-Otiefy, head of the plastic surgery and burn unit at Assiut University and co-founder of the Assiut Specialised Burn Centre, says he can "easily detect" whether a burn is caused by an accident or a suicide attempt. The centre, which was set up in 1988, treats low-income patients as well as providing them with a rehabilitation programme and micro-credit projects to enable them to become self-sufficient.
Self-immolation appears to be the most common method as kerosene is a cheap and readily available commodity. "I have seen attempted suicide cases by people ranging from nine-years-old to those in their forties," says El-Otiefy. "But most of those who would burn themselves were young people between 15 to 25."
But family members usually deny that their relative has attempted suicide, says El-Otiefy. "They would state in official records that it was an accident, fearing that an investigation would reveal that they are often under stress and being abused by family members and husbands."
Some women have other reasons not to tell anyone that they tried to take their own lives. "It is a matter of her honour being at stake, and if her honour is doubted she is as good as dead in our society," says a single 30-year-old woman who attempted suicide and did not wish to be named.
Most Egyptians still shy away from seeking psychological treatment, or even admitting they might need it. One woman who attempted suicide remembers how, despite the fact that she was very depressed, refused to visit a psychiatrist because she thought she was strong enough to deal with her problems. According to Haggag, the shame of psychological disease prevents patients from revealing the nature of their illness. Society views those who seek psychological help as weak, lacking faith, or selfish.
For those who want to talk through their problems there is help available. Befrienders Cairo offers a free counseling hot-line in Cairo. Established in the 1950s to reduce suicide cases in the United Kingdom, Befrienders International was set up in 1974, which is considered the mother organisation that sparked branches in 40 other countries. Established here in 1991, it remains the only organisation that offers free counseling services to depressed and suicidal people in Egypt.
"None of the people on the end of the phone are professionals. What they share is an ability to listen," says Rafik Bedeir, spokesperson for Befrienders Cairo. The confidential service is offered in Arabic and English by 40 volunteers from all walks of life. Befrienders Cairo receives up to 400 calls a month, of which one third from callers expressing suicidal feelings. Sixty per cent of callers are under 40 years old, and one-fifth of all callers are under the age of 20.
"We help them see their problems from different perspectives," says Bedeir. He says that the organisation cannot solve a caller's problems; that is something only the caller can do. Instead, they provide support and help them find strength to get through their difficulties.
The majority of callers are lonely, but others seek help because of financial, relationship, family, friends or work problems. Refugees in Egypt and ex-pats also call. According to Befrienders Cairo's statistics, an estimated 30 to 40 per cent of callers in all age groups express feelings of depression. However, younger people tend to deny that they are depressed, even though they describe the physical symptoms of depression. It is estimated that half of all callers are unaware that they are depressed.
"We do talk about suicide and we take it very seriously. But we keep no written records," Bedeir says. "What may seem a trivial problem may be serious. Troubled love relationship lead teenagers to consider committing suicide. We respect people's problems. A problem in itself is not what is important. It's the effect that is has on an individual that we are interested in."
Many suffering depression have sought not only to talk about their problems, but treat their condition with medication as well. Haggag explains that the development of effective medical treatment for conditions such as schizophrenia and depression in the last 50 years has increased people's faith in medications. "This is a worldwide phenomenon," says Haggag. "The image of psychological disease and psychological patients began to change through the invention of effective medicine and other complimentary treatments, and better knowledge about how the human brain functions."
Because of embarrassment or shame, people with symptoms of depression visit specialists or primary care doctors instead of psychologists or psychiatrists, according to Haggag. Of those, between 30 and 70 per cent are suffering from a psychological illness. Stress, for example, can lead to an increased heart rate which can prompt a patient to visit a cardiologist. Depression affects the immune system, making an individual more susceptible to disease, or cause other psychosomatic symptoms such as headaches, indigestion and urinary problems. On the other hand, physical illness can spark depression. Around 40 per cent of stroke victims and patients with chronic medical illness become depressed because they start to fear death.
Worldwide, the separation of mentally ill patients from those with physical illness has been rejected in favour of integrated care. "You cannot properly treat a patient with a physical disease, without also considering their psychological state. The brain is the maestro of the body," says Haggag.
Some facts about depression:
Depression should be taken seriously as 10 to 15 per cent of people suffering from depression attempt suicide.
1- Know if you are depressed. Depression is different from feeling sad. Losing someone close to you can make you sad, and this bereavement will heal with time, and does not necessarily have any long-term impact on being able to function properly. But depression affects all aspects of an individual's life; professional, social, and personal. Depression can cause low self-esteem and distort perceptions, increasing the tendency to generalise and exaggerate.
2- Depression is a curable illness.
3- The earlier an individual seeks therapy, the earlier they may be cured. If someone feels depressed and the symptoms have not yet had a negative impact on their life, they have a better chance overcoming their depression.
4- Depression can be treated with medication, combined with other complimentary and integrated therapies.
5- Know yourself and your capabilities. Failing to reach high expectations can cause depression. Psychiatrists can help people to identify smaller goals that can be achieved.
6- Get support. A doctor can help patients take a more positive view on life and themselves, and can teach skills to deal with stress.
7- Through treatment, a person can get to know what is wrong in their relationships with others and learns how to develop interpersonal skills.
8- One should not be ashamed of weakness. It is part of human nature and, at some point, everyone needs help from others. Seeking help from others for our anxieties is no different from finding help for a physical illness. Asking for help is part of the treatment.
9- Between 15 and 25 per cent of the world's population suffer from depression at some point during their lives.
Sitting in the lounge of his red-brick home in Oisterwijk, near Tilburg in the Netherlands, the Dutchman is calm and lucid, despite evident difficulty concentrating for long periods. "I don't want anyone taking the drug to panic," he insists. "I'm not against Prozac or biological psychiatry, but I want people to know the other side of the story."
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Hi MK,and sorry to hear that,coz ur sis is too young for any kind of depression.As a first,u and ur family should try to reach to her problem,and make her talk with u(or with a person which she is trust)abt that.Try to find the root of that problem.Make her interest in some thing (like work some she likes,hobby,or walking...)We can't know what is on others ppl mind,so be careful with aproaching to that subject.Most of ppl with any kind of depression r more senstive than others!Anyway,if u find out the problem(even it can be some minor thing)try to talk with her abt that more as u can.Coz when she find out the source of her problem,u can count that hlaf job is done.Also,in that case,u can take her to a good psych. to seances for releasing of dep.Abt medications,pls forget it!Them can "help"only to sedate person,not to solve problem!And pls be carefull coz most of them can make dependenty!So my advice is to not use it,coz as u said that is easy form of depp. Today,depression is one offten thing in young ppl,but better is when it never appear.The reasons for that can be numerous(exp.she likes the guy who's not ineterst in her,or even losing hers favorite short)Human mind is a big labytinth!It is ok,to use herbal tea and the best time for that is before going to bed.Prozac...is WOW...here is prescribing depend of situation ,but mostly on 12 h(which I wouldn't reccomand to ur sis).If u see that there is need for her to use it,let it be before going to bed(as with tea).Also,u must know that the depp. can appear coz of some unsatify wish.It doesn't mean that it is so hard condition at all!
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Hi there i really want to say, that i know how you feel with depression, and im so sorry for any suffers, I suffered for about five years, and it was a complete living hell, Its so easy for people to say, i feel depressed, im down and so on, but when you really have it, you know for sure, My feelings were all negative, I didnt want to get up out of bed, sleeping was wonderful, you are not awake in your living hell, I didnt want to dress, go out, work, just everything was blank,, dark and horrible, The crunch came, when i was going for an interview in the middle of london and got lost and started screaming, crying and freaking out, running in front of cars, not knowing what i was doing, I was on, prozac and seroxat, but i would not advise this, i know everyone is different, but i was good for 2 weeks, and then i was on an all time downer, and flushed them down the WC, I got out of london, made a fresh start in Ireland, but it always came back, i didnt know how to deal with it, You cant really talk to others, People have there own lives, they dont want to listen to problems and depression,
At one point in 1999 , i actually thought, i cant go on no more, this is it, It has to change, I went to the doctors in tears , and told him things in my life that had happened, And he tranfered me to a womans center, where i would be counselled, This was the best move ever, I never forget the first session, coming out, crying, hiding behind parked cars, crying my heart out,
But from then on,. It was the best, i learned to love myself, accept , who i was, And accept that i wasnt to blame for the things that had happened, this was the hardest thing to deal with, and the fact that i had to love me first.
Since then ive overcome many hurdles, i have pangs of depression, and feel it , like a sore tooth, Try a herbal remedy, i use St Johns Kruid, or st johns wort, the drops in water are the best, they can be ordered if they dont sell it in egypt, but i think they will, they sell almost everything in the chemists.
I wouldnt advise anti depressions, they are to easy to get use to, polia youre right, We have to find the root of the problem, But seek a good counselor, it really is better to talk to a trained stranger than someone you know, They will dig and dig further into youre head, to solve the situation, but it will be resolved, It might take months, but you will find peace.
Mk please try to ask youre sister to try herbal remedies and try and find profess help, she deserves to be happy xx
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My feelings were all negative, I didnt want to get up out of bed, sleeping was wonderful, you are not awake in your living hell, I didnt want to dress, go out, work, just everything was blank,, dark and horrible,
This is very bad and how did you manage to get over it ? hope you feel better now
The worse thing when you are depressed is also how oter people look at you which can be sometimes despicable as they make you feel you are not a normal person
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sorry to hear that yorki.. depression is a terrible thing. glad to hear youre better now though. Posts: 549 | From: charm el feikh? | Registered: Apr 2006
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thanks guys, youre kind words are great, Souri , you are so right, people often treat you like you dont exist, they treat you definatly like you are not normal, they think you are crazy and sick, when you start to panick in the streets, i never forget the way they looked at me, and then one guy said, are you all right love? i didnt reply, funny how things sick in the mind, 10 years ago now,
thanks charm,you know, people will say stuff like, pull yourself together, get a grip, well its not poss, you dont know how to, its a case of taking it a step further, it becomes out of youre hands, not controlable any more, single handedly, its just not capable to deal with, seek the experts, they will dig the problem out xx
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I don't know much about Prozac but I wouldn't automatically dismiss it's benefits for those who are truly depressed. I have a relative who is manic-depressive and let me tell you she absolutely needs her medication or she'd be off the freakin' wall!!!
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Thank you so much Souri, Polina, Doodlebug for your posts.
A special thank you goes to Yorkshire Rose. YR, you are a true hero. Your story is very inspiring and I am sure it gives hope to lots of people. People should not feel sorry for you, but instead should look up to you and believe that there's hope, because I know many people who don't believe in recovery from depression.
And not only that, it also gives a good example for a valuable discussion I'm having with Batty, unfortunely via PMs upon his choice. You see, for people in Egypt, although many use herbal medicine, using St. Jan's Kruid is not an option with depression, but in your case it did work.
Same goes for with my sister; she feels great now.
And one thing she told me a couple of days ago, was that she felt down because her older sisters, one after the other, left the house and she's now alone with mom and misses us.
It's so important to be surrounded with the people we love. That's a big part of the solution.
All the best ladies, and sorry I didn't reply earlier due to being distracted with the PM discussion!
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hey mk, thanks , what can i say, im totally inspired by you, yes, i must say st johns kruid does work, and being natural its safe, and i wish that youre sister could try this, is there no way of ordering it from the internet? youre right i dont want peopkle to feel sorry, it was a long time ago, its good to be able to help people if i can, you know, be able to help them see that there is hope, even on darkest days, yes love is so important and if you have alot of family and friends to suport you are on a winning battle, i actually was alone, in lonon, with a abusive bf at the time, which made life more harder, so i wish youre sister love and support and i hope she can feel so peace soon, in her self, please i will help her, if she needs help, i will try to see her through it, i have a friend i met on a chat, and she is really having this for years, we have told eachother all, and shes feeling she can move on now, start beliving in herself and not blame herself for things that have happened,
it is all i want to help people, if i can i will, thankyou all for youre support, youre all great, and this has made me feel its worth to come on es, lets stick together xxxxxx
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When I was going through a bleak period a few years ago, I tried St Johns Wort and Rescue Remedy. I think I tried too many herbals things at once and maybe they all contra-indicated each other, but I felt worse.
I was in such a dark place, never felt anything like it before, and thankfully never since. Difficult to describe - it was just so hard coping with getting up in the mornings and getting on with life itself.
I eventually went to the GP and got some sleeping pills for 2 weeks to kick start my sleep rythms (the insomnia almost drove me mad). Then I had prozac for 6 months. I must say it really helped me, it drove those black clouds away from looming over me, and I was able to get back on track.
Once I was feeling more human, I started seeing a 'healer' once a week and had a variety of things: counselling, massage, aromatherapy, reiki, hopi ear candles, yoga, reflexology ..... nowadays, I've never felt better!
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well done dawn, i understand youre feelings, im so glad you could move on, Yes it is a living hell, and bed is the only place of ease in this situation, Life is to hard to deal with,
i hope you will stay well and never have to feel those feelings again, and if you do, just repeat youre treatment that worked, then you know you can overcome this good luck honey xx
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I know you will love this one MK. Since joining ES, there have been many spells where I have felt depressed. Had sleepless nights but not actually depression as such. I am by nature a happy, funny person, energetic and optimistic. I try to make the best of a bad deal. I have to say that I empathise with many people here when they come here to ES looking for answers, looking just for some kind words. I know for a fact that your relentless attacks and your friends have given me many black moments. I am saying this now because I am one of thoise periods now. I have to stop posting but check in to read my PM's. You really have no idea what you and your friends insults and attacks do to complete strangers. I hope you have learnt a little something from this, but i doubt it. It may be that your sister has a similair situation. Maybe she has a problem and tries to talk about it on a chat forum as many people do. They feel it is easier to talk to strangers. Your way of as Snoozin says of 'giving advice' may not be the right way. Sometimes it is better to keep your opinions to yourself if they will hurt soemone. Some people here need support, not mocking. Your way of helping actually makes you enemies. Your way of describing your 'perfect life' as opposed to their situation does not heal their hurt. If your life was so perfect then you would not be doing what you do. Souri coined it yesterday by saying that people who are unhappy and miserable in their own lives attack others here. She was of course talking about Tigerlily. But as far as I have seen she only counterattacks just as I do. Please save you 'advice' for EN. Your style according to Snoozin is not hers, and it is not many peoples. Try to imagine someone like you trying to 'advise' your sister on some other forum and you might get the gist of what I am saying. That also goes for your 'friends' I am sure that there may be some mistakes in spelling but maybe this time you will overlook them? and focus on the content and the message.
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Souri coined it yesterday by saying that people who are unhappy and miserable in their own lives attack others here. She was of course talking about Tigerlily. But as far as I have seen she only counterattacks just as I do.
I never said such a thing, if yes please show me where ????? Please do not use my name, if you want to say something do it yourself, you have already used my user name twice is that not enough ????? I did not particiapte at all to this thread so how can you pretend I said that ??? Please stop twisting other members's words, stop using thier user names go and get yourself a life !!!! a real one you're such a devil I can't beleive it
there are a brunch of people here who do not share the opinion as you do about MK, and there nothing you can do to change that, You can send many PM as you want to the new members, but some old members here including myself know the truth about your fitly mind.
You are the one who cause more damage than anybody else, when Tigrelly said yesterday “ when MK was not here the forum was quiet” that not true at all. The forum started to go into such a mess when YOU and your friend joined and started to laugh and insulted many other members including myself, making fun about the level of their English, making fun on Egyptian and their countries, claiming that you were only debating on problems they encounter every day pretending that you only want to help them, at least modesty is not one of your quality, I’ve never seen someone boasting herself like you do, claiming you always help people around and them spending most of your time showing off on ES the last good action you made.
The worse you have done really its USING other members’ name in order to slander despicable stories about them, and I can’t believe that some members here still did not get it, and think that you are such kind person.
I m leaving the ES for good I never want to come back here, as I m one of the old member here who knows the truth about what you have done and the image about yourself you want to put forth, I really can’t seat and read all the falsehood, you are trying to spread out about some members when I think about how many different user names you are using in order to attack the ones you don’t like, just because you don’t want to get the worthless reputation of the forum, and how afterward you use back your original ID in order to show off your fake kind face to everybody.
You do have a lot of pent up viciousness, meanness, and badness, and the only way you will get over it its to go to see a professional person who hopefully, will help you out to sort out your problems.
Good bye everybody I will stay in touch with some of you.
some sad folk who sit in front of pc all day and then take this stuff so seriously..get yourselves out and meet some real folk!!!!
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quote:Originally posted by tootifrooti: Your way of as Snoozin says of 'giving advice' may not be the right way. Sometimes it is better to keep your opinions to yourself if they will hurt soemone......
Your style according to Snoozin is not hers, and it is not many peoples.
Please, if you are going to quote me, keep it in context.
I did say MK's style gives a serious wake-up call to people, but I also said it takes two to fight.. Most of the stuff you guys really seem to object to comes after you've been going back and forth kicking each other's asses. If you look at MK's original posts to those threads, she's just trying to jar someone into thinking differently. And I'll bet 9 times out of 10, *when* the relationships end, those women will understand that MK was right.
*I* have been in those types of toxic relationships. I could have used someone being a bit harsh with me. But instead I chose to surround myself with the feel-good friends who told me what I wanted to hear...in the end, for what?
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quote:Originally posted by DawnBev: When I was going through a bleak period a few years ago, I tried St Johns Wort and Rescue Remedy. I think I tried too many herbals things at once and maybe they all contra-indicated each other, but I felt worse.
I was in such a dark place, never felt anything like it before, and thankfully never since. Difficult to describe - it was just so hard coping with getting up in the mornings and getting on with life itself.
I eventually went to the GP and got some sleeping pills for 2 weeks to kick start my sleep rythms (the insomnia almost drove me mad). Then I had prozac for 6 months. I must say it really helped me, it drove those black clouds away from looming over me, and I was able to get back on track.
Once I was feeling more human, I started seeing a 'healer' once a week and had a variety of things: counselling, massage, aromatherapy, reiki, hopi ear candles, yoga, reflexology ..... nowadays, I've never felt better!
I for one, would value your advice on this, so thanks for starting the thread – if someone doesn’t want to accept they’re suffering from depression, is there any way to help them?
The person in question has been given Anti-Depressants from their doctor, but has told me they were only put on them as they are having trouble sleeping, and a side effect of the tablets is drowsiness. They are therefore only taking the tablets when they are having a rough night’s sleep, rather than daily as instructed, which I'm guessing negates the intended effect?
Would it be worth suggesting something like St John's Wort, or again, is it only going to do any good if the person themself wants to do something about it?
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quote:Originally posted by get_over_it: I for one, would value your advice on this, so thanks for starting the thread – if someone doesn’t want to accept they’re suffering from depression, is there any way to help them?
The person in question has been given Anti-Depressants from their doctor, but has told me they were only put on them as they are having trouble sleeping, and a side effect of the tablets is drowsiness. They are therefore only taking the tablets when they are having a rough night’s sleep, rather than daily as instructed, which I'm guessing negates the intended effect?
Would it be worth suggesting something like St John's Wort, or again, is it only going to do any good if the person themself wants to do something about it?
Hi, Get Over It. I don't think there's much you can do to help someone who is denying depression is a problem. But perhaps therapy/anti-depressants are the stigmas they don't want to face? In this case, recommending natural therapies might help.
I have found great relief from taking a Vitamin B 50 complex (helps with energy, particularly in women), as well as Omega 3 fish oil capsules. Both of these have additional health benefits outside of depression. They are fairly cheap, and easy to take. Perhaps the person you know would be receptive to these.
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Left Side..... I agree with you..... sometimes people feel depressed becuase they lack or have vitamin defeiencies.......... Or they have low energy levels & need to work out or they are chemically imbalanced & need to eat & sleep better
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Kinda late here,but yesss,Prozac and other similar antidepressants,SSRI's and not, are actually being prescribed very easily worldwide.
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quote:Originally posted by *Souri*: Souri coined it yesterday by saying that people who are unhappy and miserable in their own lives attack others here. She was of course talking about Tigerlily. But as far as I have seen she only counterattacks just as I do.
I never said such a thing, if yes please show me where ????? Please do not use my name, if you want to say something do it yourself, you have already used my user name twice is that not enough ????? I did not particiapte at all to this thread so how can you pretend I said that ??? Please stop twisting other members's words, stop using thier user names go and get yourself a life !!!! a real one you're such a devil I can't beleive it
there are a brunch of people here who do not share the opinion as you do about MK, and there nothing you can do to change that, You can send many PM as you want to the new members, but some old members here including myself know the truth about your fitly mind.
You are the one who cause more damage than anybody else, when Tigrelly said yesterday “ when MK was not here the forum was quiet” that not true at all. The forum started to go into such a mess when YOU and your friend joined and started to laugh and insulted many other members including myself, making fun about the level of their English, making fun on Egyptian and their countries, claiming that you were only debating on problems they encounter every day pretending that you only want to help them, at least modesty is not one of your quality, I’ve never seen someone boasting herself like you do, claiming you always help people around and them spending most of your time showing off on ES the last good action you made.
The worse you have done really its USING other members’ name in order to slander despicable stories about them, and I can’t believe that some members here still did not get it, and think that you are such kind person.
I m leaving the ES for good I never want to come back here, as I m one of the old member here who knows the truth about what you have done and the image about yourself you want to put forth, I really can’t seat and read all the falsehood, you are trying to spread out about some members when I think about how many different user names you are using in order to attack the ones you don’t like, just because you don’t want to get the worthless reputation of the forum, and how afterward you use back your original ID in order to show off your fake kind face to everybody.
You do have a lot of pent up viciousness, meanness, and badness, and the only way you will get over it its to go to see a professional person who hopefully, will help you out to sort out your problems.
Good bye everybody I will stay in touch with some of you.
Souri, I couldn't have phrased it better!
Thank you for taking of your precious time to reply.
Of course we'll be in touch, although I wouldn't want you to go because some freak chased you away.
And your English is supreme. Watch how she's now having a taste of her own poison; being insecure about the spelling of her own mother tongue.
Be proud of yourself Souri, you have lots of things many others would die to have and never will. The same goes to all the young foreigners or Egyptians who were chased away.
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I'd agree with the relaxation techniques - I'd got to the point where I was so pent up with frustration on not sleeping, it was impossible to relax at night and get to sleep! It was a vicious circle. I found that Meditation helped a great deal.
sometimes now I can still has some difficulty in sleeping, but I dont get so stressed out about it. I make more time for myself, and have a pampering day, and relax my mind and body.
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quote:Originally posted by tootifrooti: I know you will love this one MK. Since joining ES, there have been many spells where I have felt depressed. Had sleepless nights but not actually depression as such. I am by nature a happy, funny person, energetic and optimistic. I try to make the best of a bad deal. I have to say that I empathise with many people here when they come here to ES looking for answers, looking just for some kind words. I know for a fact that your relentless attacks and your friends have given me many black moments. I am saying this now because I am one of thoise periods now. I have to stop posting but check in to read my PM's. You really have no idea what you and your friends insults and attacks do to complete strangers. I hope you have learnt a little something from this, but i doubt it. It may be that your sister has a similair situation. Maybe she has a problem and tries to talk about it on a chat forum as many people do. They feel it is easier to talk to strangers. Your way of as Snoozin says of 'giving advice' may not be the right way. Sometimes it is better to keep your opinions to yourself if they will hurt soemone. Some people here need support, not mocking. Your way of helping actually makes you enemies. Your way of describing your 'perfect life' as opposed to their situation does not heal their hurt.
This is why you need help! I'm serious!
Your low self esteem and insecurity is the reason why you're easily hurt by bunch of keyboards. I can understand everyone being bothered by some comments and feeling tired of it but taking this so deeply and allowing it control your real life is insane.
I can't till this day comprehend the fact that you brought your husband here to defend you! The fact that you care much about how people here see you by writing all the time you around here about this ES'er you met, that you helped and that one you gave charity too.
Why are you so desperate about showing how good you're to some strangers?
Please Please! work on this.
Despite all those things I don't like about your behaviour here, I don't for once think whether the real you is good or bad. All this stuff happening on ES happen for the reason that most of us understand that this world doesn't have the same rules of the real world. We are more relaxed in saying things we wouldn't say to others in reality. Things we mean and things we don't mean. The worst in this board can be the sweetest in the real world and vice versa.
I never thought of the REAL you as a bad or a good person because I wouldn't grant A message board much credits about knowing people. I think you are the one trying to bring the real you to the wrong place and expect others to change the rules here for your sake when you yourself have done worse than many others here by generalizing all the time.
You need the help of yourself Tooti
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You seem to imply that Tooti is on some kind of ego-trip, Lazeez. Nothing could be further from the truth. When she said on ES that she visited the Egyptian girl in hospital and made a donation for healthcare, I am sure it was a gesture from the heart. It would not have crossed her mind that she was be accused of 'showing off'. I can still remember the comment you made some weeks ago about being happy when an American or British soldier was killed in Iraq. Now if we compare her civilised gesture with your barbaric preference for wishing people dead. I think we can decide which of the two of you needs help.
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quote:Originally posted by samakwish: You seem to imply that Tooti is on some kind of ego-trip, Lazeez. Nothing could be further from the truth. When she said on ES that she visited the Egyptian girl in hospital and made a donation for healthcare, I am sure it was a gesture from the heart. It would not have crossed her mind that she was be accused of 'showing off'. I can still remember the comment you made some weeks ago about being happy when an American or British soldier was killed in Iraq. Now if we compare her civilised gesture with your barbaric preference for wishing people dead. I think we can decide which of the two of you needs help.
I think It's clear that I spoke of her general behaviour with ES. She's obsessed about what people here think of her.
You can get defensive as well but that wont protect her from her insecurity.
As for my Iraq comment. I already explained it in that thread and wont repeat this again.
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You made that comment about Iraq and it won't go away - never. Do you ever stop to think the kind of impression that you and your 'selected' friends give of your countrymen. But then, perhaps that is what you want to do - keep the tourists out of Egypt?
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yes here here, this is about prozac, cant we just keep it with this, and stop all this bitchiness go make a new bitch thread but this i think is a very good and helpful thread, no fighting please kids
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hehehehe left side, there plenty of advice here, to help, hahahaaha like youre idea of vit b and omega 3, these definatly are good to take, and a very important greeting to a good health as i said early on i definatly am a beliver in herbal and i know st johns works,
quote:Originally posted by Left.Side.Lying.State.Of.Mind: I'm getting depressed.
I am really sorry LSLSOM, I really didn't want to get one of my tantrums now.
How can I cheer you up?
quote:Originally posted by yorkshire rose: this is about prozac, cant we just keep it with this, and stop all this bitchiness go make a new bitch thread
quote:Originally posted by Left.Side.Lying.State.Of.Mind: I'm getting depressed.
I am really sorry LSLSOM, I really didn't want to get one of my tantrums now.
How can I cheer you up?
Oh, you didn't have to edit your post...I think I just need lettuce. Posts: 8794 | From: 01-20-09 The End of an Error | Registered: Dec 2004
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quote:Originally posted by tootifrooti: I know you will love this one MK. Since joining ES, there have been many spells where I have felt depressed. Had sleepless nights but not actually depression as such. I am by nature a happy, funny person, energetic and optimistic. I try to make the best of a bad deal. I have to say that I empathise with many people here when they come here to ES looking for answers, looking just for some kind words. I know for a fact that your relentless attacks and your friends have given me many black moments. I am saying this now because I am one of thoise periods now. I have to stop posting but check in to read my PM's. You really have no idea what you and your friends insults and attacks do to complete strangers. I hope you have learnt a little something from this, but i doubt it. It may be that your sister has a similair situation. Maybe she has a problem and tries to talk about it on a chat forum as many people do. They feel it is easier to talk to strangers. Your way of as Snoozin says of 'giving advice' may not be the right way. Sometimes it is better to keep your opinions to yourself if they will hurt soemone. Some people here need support, not mocking. Your way of helping actually makes you enemies. Your way of describing your 'perfect life' as opposed to their situation does not heal their hurt.
This is why you need help! I'm serious!
Your low self esteem and insecurity is the reason why you're easily hurt by bunch of keyboards. I can understand everyone being bothered by some comments and feeling tired of it but taking this so deeply and allowing it control your real life is insane.
I can't till this day comprehend the fact that you brought your husband here to defend you! The fact that you care much about how people here see you by writing all the time you around here about this ES'er you met, that you helped and that one you gave charity too.
Why are you so desperate about showing how good you're to some strangers?
Please Please! work on this.
Despite all those things I don't like about your behaviour here, I don't for once think whether the real you is good or bad. All this stuff happening on ES happen for the reason that most of us understand that this world doesn't have the same rules of the real world. We are more relaxed in saying things we wouldn't say to others in reality. Things we mean and things we don't mean. The worst in this board can be the sweetest in the real world and vice versa.
I never thought of the REAL you as a bad or a good person because I wouldn't grant A message board much credits about knowing people. I think you are the one trying to bring the real you to the wrong place and expect others to change the rules here for your sake when you yourself have done worse than many others here by generalizing all the time.
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I don't have time to read all that but I'm curious, is *souri* a woman or a man? It sound like a woman but then she should be *souriah*!! Unless of course souri has nothing to do with Syria and in this case I should just shut up.
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quote:Originally posted by Auto Matic For The People: I don't have time to read all that but I'm curious, is *souri* a woman or a man? It sound like a woman but then she should be *souriah*!! Unless of course souri has nothing to do with Syria and in this case I should just shut up.
she's a woman & she's French
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quote:Originally posted by *The Dark Angel* aka CAT:
quote:Originally posted by Auto Matic For The People: I don't have time to read all that but I'm curious, is *souri* a woman or a man? It sound like a woman but then she should be *souriah*!! Unless of course souri has nothing to do with Syria and in this case I should just shut up.
she's a woman & she's French
& she's nice, & she's sweet, & she's cute, & she's very well mannered & educated & she shows respect to others and their cultures & she doesn't walk and talk like Egyptians have missed on the evolution.
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quote:Hi, Get Over It. I don't think there's much you can do to help someone who is denying depression is a problem. But perhaps therapy/anti-depressants are the stigmas they don't want to face? In this case, recommending natural therapies might help.
I have found great relief from taking a Vitamin B 50 complex (helps with energy, particularly in women), as well as Omega 3 fish oil capsules. Both of these have additional health benefits outside of depression. They are fairly cheap, and easy to take. Perhaps the person you know would be receptive to these. [/QB]
Thanks, LSLSOM and Cat - maybe it'll be easier to suggest taking these, because of the additional benefits you mention – we can try this angle, to see if she’ll be receptive to boosting her general health and energy levels without even mentioning the D word. Thanks for the tip. We know very well what’s caused the depression, but I think she’s afraid of letting people know that she’s not coping very well – that it’s a sign of weakness etc. So maybe the vitamins you mention will give her the initial lift she needs? Thanks a million Posts: 463 | From: Other side of nowhere | Registered: Jun 2006
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quote:Originally posted by samakwish: You made that comment about Iraq and it won't go away - never.
If I want it to go away I will say so. American and British soldiers in Iraq are mother fucker terrorists. How can I say it more clear?
If you're someone of those who still belive Iraq has nuclear weapons, please for the sake of history, mummify yourself because those people don't exist anymore.
quote:Do you ever stop to think the kind of impression that you and your 'selected' friends give of your countrymen. But then, perhaps that is what you want to do - keep the tourists out of Egypt? [/QB]
quote:Originally posted by samakwish: You made that comment about Iraq and it won't go away - never.
If I want it to go away I will say so. American and British soldiers in Iraq are mother fucker terrorists. How can I say it more clear?
If you're someone of those who still believes Iraq has nuclear weapons, please for the sake of history, mummify yourself because those people don't exist anymore.
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